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McCain's back in the Saddleback

Posted: Saturday, August 16, 2008 9:57 PM by Chuck Todd

From NBC's Chuck Todd
Normally, on a night like tonight, we here at First Read would have been liveblogging every moment of Rick Warren's presidential forum. But with the Olympics and the fact this is THE Saturday Michael Phelps will be making history, we kept our liveblogging in check.

It turns out, actually, we should have been because this was a pretty good scrimmage and there's a lot to learn from these back-to-back appearances by John McCain and Barack Obama.

Quick first impressions: Obama spent more time trying to impress Warren (or to put another away) not offend Warren while McCain seemingly ignored Warren and decided he was talking to folks watching on TV. The McCain way of handling this forum is usually the winning way. Obama may have had more authentic moments but McCain was impressively on message.

This was a mistake Obama made a few times during the primary season. On one hand, it can make a moderator feel good when their subject actually tries to answer every question and take into account their opinions on a particular topic. And Obama's supporters will email me tonight and say this is what they love about him.

And yet, this reminded me of the many comparisons we made between Obama and Hillary Clinton. She was much more effective at answering questions in 90 seconds and always staying on message while Obama too easily allowed himself to get knocked off his talking points. Remember, Obama doesn't need to win over his supporters, he needs folks who are just now tuning in.

Take the VERY first question Warren posed to both candidates: who are three people you'll depend on for wisdom in the presidency. Obama seemed to answer this in a very personal way, talking about his wife and grandmother. McCain went right to this message, checking boxes on Iraq (Patraeus) and the economy (Whitman) for instance. Now, I'm betting Obama's answer came across as more authentic but McCain's was probably more effective with undecided swing voters.

The two answered the Supreme Court justice question VERY differently, with Obama seemingly trying to say a nice thing or two about justices he disagreed with, while McCain went right to pander mode in his answer. And yet, McCain's straightforward answer easily penetrated while Obama's did not.

Every Obama answer was certainly thoughtful enough but he seemed to want to explain himself too much and went out of his way not to offend folks who disagree with him.

Don't get me wrong, this will play well with some but McCain's directness and snappy answers that were on message allowed him to look commanding on that stage.

Warren may come away from this experience liking Obama more and respecting the fact that he seemed to take pains to not offend him and respect their disagreements. But I'm betting that if a focus group of undecided voters were watching this, they'd come away having a clearer understanding of McCain's beliefs.

Overall, this was a fascinating event because the contrast between the two candidates was so clear. The quesitons were made to order of McCain in the early going and that allowed him to get comfortable quickly. This was always going to be a tough venue for any Democrat, including one who is as comfortable talking about his faith as Obama is.

Obama better be thankful for the timing of this; he seemed a little rusty and clearly has some work to do before he meets McCain face-to-face on Sept. 26, the night of the first presidential debate in Oxford, MS.

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Which candidate came across as presidential?

I'm a Democrat and I have to be honest.  It was John McCain.   Obama is just awful in forums and debates.  I actually feel sorry for him tonight.  

Here's a big difference between the two candidates: Had Pastor Warren asked McCain and Obama, "If Jesus were on earth today, would he support a woman's right to choose abortion?"... McCain would clearly and confidently have answered "NO." Obama would not have answered the question. He would have come up with something else to talk about but he certainly would not have been so foolish as to answer "Yes." Yet that must be what he believes.
HOW DID JOHN MCCAIN KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT SUPREME COURT JUSTICES. I THOUGHT THE CANDIDATES WERE NOT TOLD ABOUT THE QUESTIONS BEFORE HAND.
um, lake forest is the ghetto
Since we presently have a president who let us say is challenged intellectually I would like to try one who has a brain.McCain graduated at the bottom of his class and seems proud of it.
Chuck Todd,
you always impress me with your fairness, respectfulness, and astuteness, regardless of whose side the commentary favors. I'm writing because you got this one right, and I am an ardent Obama supporter.

intellectually, he hit it out of the park, destroyed mccain. politically, he dropped the ball. he did. I'm sorry but he just did. my real, true self was enjoying and appreciating the nuance and intellectualism. my political self, my independent-voter-vicarious self if you will, was wanting to slap him silly for withholding a fiery, aggressive passion about his values and policy prescriptions. when you point out that stuff's not free, sound intense about it. tie it to national sacrifice. explain why printing money out of thin air to fund a deficit increases the price of everything, not just oil. explain that we are taking out loans from china to fund tax cuts for millionaires, while the interest is paid by everyone else. don't say things like "I understand that there are folks makin more than 250,000 who are havin trouble" or however he put it. that's like asking to lose the debate. that's just one example--there are tons more.

to the Obama campaign person or persons that monitor this blog, PLEASE relay chuck's post, this comment, and other comments like mine to Senator Obama. if this happens at the debates, he will lose them. badly. and don't tell me mccain wasn't there to argue with. obama wasn't there to argue with when mccain was up either. it's a matter of exuding gut-level passion in what you believe in without emanating an apologetic tone. and it's exactly what democrats have lacked in recent history. is obama better than gore in this respect? sure, but it's not enough so far. is there a fine line between an apologetic tone and a respectful one, between a passionate tone and an angry one? yes. it's a tightrope walk. but that's what you signed up for when you decided to run. it's the big leagues.

PLEASE GET THIS TO HIM! and fellow obama supporters, don't do to me what the republicans do to us. when we criticize the country, we do so because we love it and want it to meet its potential. the same is true here with regard to my criticism of barack.
DID ANYONE NOTICE THAT MCCAN ASKED THE PASTOR IF QUESTIONS ABOUT SUPREME COURT JUSTICES WERE YET TO BE ASKED. WAS THERE A LEAK?
I was stunned by McCain's crispness, which in my view catapulted him way upward vs. the "Obama the supreme orator" expectations.  Given the recent controversy surrounding the new Corsi book, McCain seems to have put in a performance that changes the prevalent question of "Who is the real Barack Obama?" to "Here is the real John McCain," much to the benefit of McCain among heretofore disaffected Republicans and Independents.  Depending on the ratings and the extent of the news coverage (especially considering the Olympic Games), I'd bet this leads to a boost in the polls for the Republican.


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