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Veepstakes: Biden up, Romney down

Posted: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:23 AM by Domenico Montanaro

All the CW buzz seems to be pointing in Biden’s direction right now. The New York Times profiles him today. “Mr. Biden’s strengths and weaknesses as a vice-presidential nominee are glaringly obvious and in many cases overlap. At age 65, he would bring heft, knowledge and nearly four decades of experience in Washington to a ticket headed by a relative political newcomer. But that experience -- he was first elected to the Senate at age 29 and has served for nearly four decades -- would undercut Mr. Obama’s image as an agent of change.”

"Mr. Biden is among the best-informed lawmakers on international affairs, a gap in Mr. Obama’s résumé. But Mr. Biden’s broad knowledge, his committee chairmanship and his longtime membership in the most exclusive debating club in the nation also feed his biggest flaw: a verbosity and love of his own voice that drive many, including, by some accounts, Mr. Obama, nuts.” 

Meanwhile, Romney’s buzz appears to be waning. "An apparent effort by former presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee to diminish the chances of former rival Mitt Romney becoming the Republican vice presidential nominee is reviving questions about whether Romney's prospects are being damaged by opposition from evangelicals and religious conservatives. Gary Bauer, an evangelical leader who is an informal adviser to John McCain's campaign, said in an interview yesterday that evangelicals are divided, but discounted the idea there is an organized effort to stop McCain from picking Romney.”

“Bauer said he personally believes that Romney ‘would be a great running mate’ and said he has conveyed that message personally to Romney. Bauer, chairman of the Campaign for Working Families political action committee, said he was not allowed to say whether he advised McCain to pick Romney." 

Several potential veeps made the Sunday show rounds. "Ridge said yesterday he thinks Republicans would accept a vice presidential candidate who supports abortion rights. But, he said, whomever John McCain picks as a running mate should defer to McCain on the issue." Bill Richardson, Tim Kaine and Bobby Jindal all made the rounds as well.

More compiled by NBC/NJ’s Matthew E. Berger and Carrie Dann…
DEMOCRATS: Sen. Joe Biden made a trip to Georgia this weekend, at the request of the Georgian government. That came after Sen. Joe Lieberman went as a McCain envoy. Says the Washington Post: “Biden and Obama staffers discussed the proposed trip and Obama officials said they were glad Biden was considering it. One source familiar with the discussions added that had the Obama team opposed the idea, the senator would likely not have gone.”

Mark Warner endorsed Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine for VP while speaking at a Democratic fundraiser in Richmond. Kaine campaigned for Obama in his state Saturday, praising him for his “excellence” in his aspirations for the country, judgment and character.  
 
Sen. Evan Bayh disputed McCain’s claim that “we’re all Georgians now,” noting that might put the region in a state of war. “And John sometimes, he's a good person, but he's a little bit given to this kind of bellicose rhetoric, which has a tendency to inflame conflicts rather than to diffuse them, and that's not what you want in a president,” he said on “Face the Nation.” HuffPo summarizes the drop in Bayh's stock. 
 
Sen. Hillary Clinton campaigned for Obama Sunday at Northern New Mexico College. She also attended fundraisers to retire her debt with Gov. Bill Richardson. 

REPUBLICANS: Romney said the situation in Georgia “shows one more time that, in a dangerous and troubled world, it's helpful to have a leader of the nation that knows these places, knows the people, understands the setting.” 
 
John Podhoretz makes the case for Lieberman, arguing McCain no longer needs to shore up his base and can win over moderates with the former Democratic veep nominee. Lowry likes the Lieberman idea too, if both he and McCain pledge to serve only one term.

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"That came after Sen. Joe Lieberman went as a McCain envoy."

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Excuse me, but, wouldn't the GOP be throwing a major temper tantrum if someone were sent to Georgia as an "Obama envoy"?

Wouldn't that be considered "presumptuous"?

Double-standard, thy name is "Republican"!
okay, obamatots, where's all the "dismay" that Biden is going to Georgia since it was a crime that Lieberman and Graham were going there.

36 years in Washington.  Yep, that sure sounds like change to me.  BS.  If you really wnat change in Washington, you should vote out all incumbents.
Is there anything that wastes more time then speculating on who the VP choices are? I'd say you're out-thinking yourself, but that would infer that you're thinking.
Whoever Senators Obama and McCain select - I look forward to getting on with it! :)


P.S. I hope that Obama selects Biden. I hope that McCain selects someone who is not a warmonger.
I like First Read but some people are extremely long-winded and feel they have to blog a book when a few sentences should cover it. Get to he point.

Interesting that one blogger insisted that I had to be a liberal to quote Dylan while also thinking that Toby Keith is a Republican when, in fact, he's a registered Democrat. There are a whole lot of wrong assumptions made here.
Mccain should pick Huckabee,  two nutcases on the ticket are better than one.    
I just happened to catch a clip of Tim Kaine on the MSNBC website today, talking about the Democratic Party standpoint on abortion. Wow! He hit the nail on the head. It is a relief to me to hear a Democrat ably explaining their position: that he personally opposes abortion, but is against criminalizing women and doctors for terminiating pregnancies, and thinks we should focus on reducing the numbers of unplanned pregnancies. What is it with Virginia politicians having the audacity to display common sense in today's political world? I am very impressed with Mark Warner too. THIS is the kind of leadership I want to see in November.
Read Frank Rich, NYT, yesterday, following up some thoughtful Rachel Maddow points Fri nite:  Have we really looked at McCain?

1.   Who owns John McCain?  More than with any other candidate in recent memory, this needs to be examined.  This last Georgian business is only the most recent---where has McCain been for years on issues that have dollar bills leading directly to him?
2.  Judgment.  Look at the post-9/11 conduct.  He is a blowhard not only with no eye for detail or nuance, but who often gets 'the big picture' wrong as well.  
3.  Foreign policy blunders.  See #2.  By risking the debacle of the past 5+ years in Iraq, we can't afford many other true long-term security things (facing down Russia if truly needed, both with moral force as well as actually having allies, e.g.).
4.  Temperment.  Serious issue.  This nutjob flies off the handle, and makes important decision based upon emotion.
5.  Judgment, part two. He relies on 'advisors' even more than Mountain Bike Boy; and, he's worse at choosing them.

Journalists, take that hard look at Mr. Wrap Himself in the Flag, please.
biden, i think is a no.  why not find a governor to put on the ticket

Faith Forum: Sincerity Versus Stump Speech
http://sensico.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/faith-forum-sincerity-versus-stump-speech/
or
http://sensico2.blogspot.com/2008/07/my-blogs.html
Sen. Hillary Clinton campaigned for Obama Sunday at Northern New Mexico College. She also attended fundraisers to retire her debt with Gov. Bill Richardson.  

Wonder what event she showed more spunk for??????
Funny no mention of Bill Richardson’s faux pa....
Stating we should get the UN to issue a strong declaration that Russia should get out of Georgia. Bill Richardson was the ambassador to the UN, He should have known that Russia has a veto at the UN and No such declaration would ever happen.
I still don't think it's going to be Biden. He's such a loose cannon; I don't think Obama can afford that, let alone, biden is seen as a Washington Insider. Hard to run on "change" when you have a Washington Insider as a running mate. Nope. My bet is on Wes Clark. He can take on Mccain with the foreign policy deal and can criticize McCain's miltary record as Obama cannot. Clark is not considered an insider and bodes well for change. Mark my bet. It's Clark! Obama '08!
No doubt there is no one better for foreign affairs than Biden. Unfortuantely he may actually be too good as VP...thereby exposing Obama's weak spots and really pointing out his inexperience on the World's stage.

I think he should focus on Evan Bayh and cover the foreign affairs through a strong Secretary of State.

It is decided: Bidden will be the VP.
On the other issue in a meeting with McCain he was sworn into the circle of trust of the 666 club in exchange he would support the Bush continuance of his policy. The 666 club will pour money to get McCain elected. They need an other 4 years to convince people of their take over of the nation and create a 2 class country.
Biden's the front-runner, easily.

He gives the ticket foreign policy cred, and he can go into full attack dog mode.

A great ticket. He'd wipe the floor with anybody McCain can come up with, especially Romney.

http://www.rodneyhopper.com
Mark Warner endorsed Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine for VP while speaking at a Democratic fundraiser in Richmond. Kaine campaigned for Obama in his state Saturday, praising him for his “excellence” in his aspirations for the country, judgment and character.  

-First Read

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Kaine was awesome on Meet The Press yesterday. He did very well against Bobby 'Brady' Jindal, who came off like a talking machine.
Jack and Joe.  Now there's the ticket.  Since know one knows if McCain is really a Republican and Lieberman a Democrat, then let's confuse the issue.  Seriously, putting Lieberman on the ticket will give the election to Obama in a walk.  How dumb is too dumb?
I find it very humorous that Lieberman garnishes any consideration at all - if this came to pass it would be the most Liberal GOP ticket ever.  With McCain's age during a potential 4 years of 72-76 (and much higher in 'actual age' due to Cancer and post war trama), there's a very real chance the VP would have to take over.  If Ridge would upset the base what would Lieberman do- yikes!

Why not just tap Lindsey Graham or Charlie Christ, while they are at it- Oh, that's right it's ok to allign yourself and pander to well know closeted homosexuals - just not to nominate them to be the GOP Veep.  
Boy, was McCain scripted Saturday evening or what? "My friends". Are we not getting tired of hearing "my friends". Cannot McCain say anything that is original or heartfelt for a change. Well, at least McCain is going to defeat all the evil in the world for us. Don't you feel better now?

Obama crushed McCain in the forum with Rev. Warren Saturday evening. Black and white, scripted, one word responses from McCain. Thoughtful and heartfelt responses from Obama.  
okay, obamatots, where's all the "dismay" that Biden is going to Georgia since it was a crime that Lieberman and Graham were going there.

36 years in Washington.  Yep, that sure sounds like change to me.  BS.  If you really wnat change in Washington, you should vote out all incumbents.
1day (Sent Monday, August 18, 2008 9:36 AM)

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1day,
There is a HUGE difference between Sen. Biden going to Georgia at the request of President Bush and Sen. Graham and Sen. Lieberman going at the request of Sen. McCain.
If bayh had a shot...using the term "bellicose"

probably shot it down.  Just saying ...how to talk to the people...not.
I thought Evan Bayh was extremely effective on Sunday. I think he's the pick.
Biden, Richardson, Sebelius or Bredesen are my choices in that order.  I appreciate the fact that no mention of Mrs. Clinton as vp was made here today...it would be the worst choice Obama could make in my opinion.
Full Moon (Sent Monday, August 18, 2008 9:41 AM)

Full:

I'll agree. Way too many thoughtless comments and assumptions. Like every single one of your posts.  
I don't see evidence that the Romney buzz is waning at all. Here's the excerpt missed:

"Bauer said that he recently conducted an unscientific poll among activists about who should be picked for vice president and said that Romney won a plurality of votes. He said that "it was notable" that among those who backed Huckabee, "many of them said negative things about Governor Romney."

Just because the Huck and his Bigot Brigade crybabies are making noise, doesn't mean it's working. In fact, they are marginalizing themselves even further.

Romney is becoming a stronger choice every week, what with Pawlenty blowing it during interviews and with the Russian invasion. Romney is clearly the most prepared.

NO McBUSH OR DICKOs.
As far as Biden's talking too much; at least we know where he stands. I hope he does accept the VP bid if offered, we need him at this time in our history to help us decide which are the terror "tactics" and the actual terror threats. Unfortunately I don't believe a word the republicans say anymore and that's bad.
Joe Biden for VP? This senator has spent the past two decades  sponsoring and promoting federal habeas (2254)legislation that would abolish capital punishment  and render the states' criminal sentencing statutes unenforceable.  (I have personally debated Biden on this point.) An Obama-Biden ticket would delight every criminal in the nation.  
As for abortion.  Well, murdering babies for the financial convenience of their parents is an idea that should have died with the Third Reich. An "unwanted" pregnancy is a pregnancy that the parents do not want to deal with for monetary reasons or because the child might be born with a physical defect, thereby making him or her of little value to the "state".  Of course, Obama also advocates cutting off medical services to persons over the age of 75.  Thus, we can kill the elderly and abort the physically infirm.  What is next? Zyklon B showers for undesirables? How about "soylent green"?
McCain will choose Romney but should chose Crist.  Obama will choose someone with experience. Probably Bden, as Obama has zero experience. We no longer require EXPERIENCE in a President of the United States! They just need to read a teleprompter! And take words from Kodak Camera commercials like "this is your moment."

As for the cone -
Obama, like always, blames everyone else for his mishaps and shortcomings!  It was Hillary and now John McCain. Never his own lack of experience!
Obama is a Wright racist fraud with no experiemce. And it shows.  Andrea Mitchell needs to be a journalist instead of a cheerleader.
Know The Difference (Sent Monday, August 18, 2008 10:02 AM) - There is a HUGE difference between Sen. Biden going to Georgia at the request of President Bush and Sen. Graham and Sen. Lieberman going at the request of Sen. McCain.

Know:

Bingo!
Obama’s number one weakness is “alleged inexperience”. Let’s eliminate that issue with Biden.

Biden in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuOkXgZqofA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9aIb-IplqY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEUalUzLe8Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp5kPDnoa_4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB2AVzCVXtU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I79np6O-3Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEUalUzLe8Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK0hW7VqGkg

There’s simply no republican VP who could take on Biden.
He could take foreign policy shots leaving Obama to shut down McCain’s absurd economic platform.

Obama/Biden ‘08

ps. RIP top man Tim Russert!
McNuts will pick Carly, it is the only way it can make him look a little younger and smarter, maybe she can have an affair with him while she's at it.  She couldn't have been that smart if HP got rid of her.  Oh Cindy perhaps some homemade cookies would help!! Another facelift may need done soon too!!!!!!!!!
Yes we are tired of hearing "my friends" makes me want to puke. Can you imagine the state of the union address my friends will be in every other sentence.  Someone should duck tape the old bag of wind's mouth shut.  Any of his friends willing to do so??  
For the record, Biden went to Georgia at the request of the President of Georgia while Grahm and Liberman went at the request wanna be prez NcCain.  Slight difference perhaps.
I personally suggest Richardson first then Biden.  Both of them have a great deal of foreign policy experience.  Richardson has the possibility to bring in the Spanish speaking communities which could be a major plus for the campaign.  
CA )above) - Typical rheteric from the bottom of the barrel.

Get a life instead of always trying to get even.  .
CA )above) - Typical rheteric from the bottom of the barrel.

Get a life instead of always trying to get even.  .
Thousands of First Readers voted for Biden in your First Read VEEP Bracket....why not cover his Georgia and Foreign Relations work more?


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