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McCain: Kristol pushes Lieberman

Posted: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:17 AM by Mark Murray

The New York Times’ Bill Kristol believes the Biden pick does "complicate" McCain's selection process (though he does quote from McCain folks saying they believe it was a pick of  "weakness."). He dismisses both Pawlenty (will not match up well with Biden) and Romney (thank you house gaffe), and ends up making the conservative case for Lieberman.

"A Lieberman pick should help with ticket splitters. But can such a ticket hold the support of pro-lifers, conservatives and Republicans? If you’re conscientiously pro-life, you will have reservations about a pro-abortion-rights V.P. If you’re a proud conservative, Lieberman hasn’t been one. If you’re a loyal Republican, you’d much prefer someone from within the ranks. But if you’re pro-life, conservative and/or Republican, you certainly don’t want Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid running the country. If a McCain-Lieberman ticket is the best way to thwart that prospect, you could probably learn to live with it - even perhaps to like it.”

El Rushbo, what say you?

The Boston Globe points out: "Thus, the McCain campaign has raised the question: Would McCain want to pick a vice presidential candidate who was perhaps his toughest critic in the primaries, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney?… If McCain picks Romney, the Democrats doubtless would remind voters of the McCain-Romney feud."

"Obama's choice of Joe Biden as a running mate sets the bar for John McCain," the AP writes. "The Republican could use his own pugnacious No. 2 to deliver attack lines and a solid debate performance."

The McCain camp says it’s up with a new TV ad -- to air in “key states” (read: it’s not in the campaign’s battleground rotation) -- that features Debra Bartoshevich, an ex-Hillary delegate who was stripped of her delegate status after saying she would vote for McCain. I'm a proud Hillary Clinton Democrat,” Bartoshevich says in it. “She had the experience and judgment to be president. Now, in a first for me, I'm supporting a Republican, John McCain. I respect his maverick and independent streak, and now he's the one with the experience and judgment. A lot of Democrats will vote McCain. It's okay, really!” 
 
"McCain found himself the center of attention at his church in Phoenix yesterday, watching himself on a giant-screen television talking about his 'greatest moral failure,' which he said was the collapse of his first marriage… McCain sat next to his second wife, Cindy, as he watched the interview during the services at North Phoenix Baptist Church, where the Rev. Dan Yeary described the exchange as a 'seminal moment' in the presidential campaign."

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John McCain's presidential platform:

Noun, Verb, POW
The New Youck Times has long ago passed any resemblence to a news orginization and this is just more of their entertainment fluff that they are trying to pass off as real news.
Rush has nothing to say on this.   He's already proven to be a paper tiger in this primary season.   McCain will do what he wants, Rush and Hannity will yell and whine, and then they'll fall in line like good soldiers.
As a long-time Democrat, it's difficult to separate my feelings about Lieberman in order to summon up a rational reaction to a McCain/Lieberman ticket. He is loathed by party folks. On the other hand, I guess some die hard Clinton voters could like him. Personally, I think a McCain/Lieberman ticket would capture the smarmy vote coming and going.
Biden would rip Lieberman to shreds in VP debates.  
Mama Lie-berman apparently never told little Joey that, if you sleep with dogs, you get fleas!  And, no, Ms. Bartosevich, it ain't OK.  McCain won't investigate what sure as hell SMELLS like criminal behavior over the past 8 years.  Obama said in June that he will.
Really?  Bill Kristol?  WHO is going to take advice from this guy?  Honestly.  How many 'corrections' hae the editors at the NYT had to issue for Kristol's columns?  Douchebag city.

http://thepajamapundit.com/
El Rushbo say:
"Yabber Yabber Eeeble sputter sputter....HEY everybody- LOOK at ME"
Go ahead and pick Lieberman, this will be beautiful,
the dems.they label him a turn coat, carpet bagger, and folks there is no way that the southern republicans will ever vote for a jewish person for vice president given mccains health issues, they would vote for a black first. so go ahead, do it i dare you!!!
Conservatives will stay home in droves if they pick Lieberman.

Lieberman is politically toxic no matter what color you favor and he's so weak in debate and in speeches.

Remember how he buckled on Meet the Press when he was pressed about absentee ballots.

He adds nothing and takes so much away.

That being, said... here's to McCain/Lieberman.

http://www.rodneyhopper.com
Mike Huckabee doesn't have a say in this? Mike hasn't tried to rally his base against McWar...Mike has more class than Hillary, don't you think?
And Romney the "Big Dig" ain't over... and Lieberman is shadow man...funny ..way to funny...
McWar has very limiting choices or no one respects his campaigning models...Who ever the GOP picks it's a flat tire from day one...
If Kristol thinks Liebermann's the guy, McCain should definitely look elsewhere. Seriously. The PUMA's would open a new chapter.

McCain is a feeble-minded lying old man.Who can believe what his reason is for his VP choice is?  McCain has a pattern of forgetting or lying. He should give the public proof he is fit to be Commander-in-Chief by taking an Alzheimer's exam so we'll know why he forgets or lies.

Obama/Biden 08/12
Nobody but Obama  



The greatest embarrasement I have witnessed this political season is that of Debra Bartoshevich -- for herself and for Hillary Clinton.  Shame on her for not recognizing how John McCain and his campaign staff just pimped her out!

Wouldn't piss on her were she on fire!
Sorry, Mccain's marriage did not collapse. He was a perpetual womanizer that broke his vow's to God in favor of a younger and richer new wife, End of story.
Are you kidding me? What woman would vote for a man who is obviously against a woman's right to choose. Who is against women having equal pay. Who is obviously still fighting the last war. Be careful what you wish for.
McCain sat next to his second wife, Cindy, as he watched the interview during the services at North Phoenix Baptist Church, where the Rev. Dan Yeary described the exchange as a 'seminal moment' in the presidential campaign."


Now if that doesn't just make you want to throw up!

Anyway...Now they're going to embarrass this Bartoshevich - now the entire country will know what a moron she is.  Heck, if she doesn't mind nationally advertising her ignorance and childishness, why shouldn't the mccain camp pounce.  Too bad the majority are just laughing at her and her juvenile mentality.  She could be this years poster child for the gop duped voter of the year.  
It's unbelievable the media isn't covering this.  Why are pastors talking about politics during their service?  Even if John McCain is in one of your church members, you don't make the hour all about him just because he appeared on television and is running for political office.  
Oh, I hope he does pick LIEberman.  The Fundamentalist Christians will go nuts!  I have a question, though:  If he does pick Joementum, are we going to hear non-stop coverage of the "Party Split within the Republican Party" the way we have with the Dems because of a few disgruntled Hillary voters?  There are more Fundies than there are PUMAs and I bet the Republicans will be eating their own if the choice is Lieberman. I just expect the same mainstream hand-wringing and concern-troll worry if they have problems (and it IS the punditocracy, not the DEMS, that are doing the wringing over Hillary voters.)
It's three AM...John have you picked your running mate yet?  DUH...DUH...


DUH..I'll have my staff get back to you on that one...I don't know...duh
I wish McCain picks Ramney... then we can start talking about how many houses they both have and how America will have two elitists on a ticket.... THAT would be a gift to the dems!  Please be yourself (stubborn) and peak Romney. lol.
Good for Kristol. Unlike many Democrat nut-job pundits though, he doesn't have any sway with the Republican party.
I hope he does pick Lieberman.
Seriously, McCain, pick Lieberman.  That would be excellent.  Now that the Olympics are over we can entertain ourselves by watching the Neanderthal right wing self destruct.
Why isn't anyone talking about the obvious VP choice for McCain -  Huckabee?

He is the second place vote getter and should be getting consideration equivalent to what Hillary got.
Debra Bartoshevich is delusional.
Bill Kristol has been consistently wrong in his punditry attempts, why should any believe he will be right this time?  Why anyone pays him is a mystery.
To rudy,
John McCain's presidential platform:

Noun, Verb, POW
rudy g (Sent Monday, August 25, 2008 9:42 AM)
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Add "Duh" and "I'll have my staff get back to you on that one"....McNuts a loser ..


Obama/Biden'08
Considering that Bill Cristol is the most clueless of the clueless and is a perpetual gaffe machine it's no wonder he's now making a case for "Traitor" Joe Lie-berman.  This is all just a bunch of BS to try to fool the moderates that "Bush Hugger" McCain is trying to be some kind of maverick when all he's been is a boot licking Reagan foot soldier of the conservative lunatic fringe.

I hope that Romney is the pick so that the Dems can pop out ads showing how Romney ripped into the ultimate Flip Flopper and vice versa.

Only Obama/Biden will bring honesty and integrity back to the White House.

Go Obama/Biden 08/12!
It doesn't matter who I pick!  I've been a POW so screw you all.  I'm a hero....who are you?!
Shouldn't Hillary be putting in a call to this Debra Bartoshevich person?
"The Republican could use his own pugnacious No. 2 to deliver attack lines and a solid debate performance."
------------------------------------------------------One problem, AP- the Republicans don't have anyone that is both pugnacious and truthful.  John "I never said that" McCain  has already been schooled in how the Google and YouTube can come back to bite you.

Romney, Lieberman, Pawlenty- none of them give Joe Biden any serious challenge.


I'm hoping for Rudy Giuliani as the veep for McCain.  That would be perfect.  All Joe would have to do on the stump is say "McCain = Noun, Verb, POW" and "Rudy = Noun, Verb, 9/11".

And the ads about Rudy?  Wow, sorry but I lived in NYC during the Rudy years.  Rudy has a pro-gay, pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage record, and he has no foreign policy experience.  He's so deeply connected to fortune 500 interests and lobbyists that it would make McCain look like another GW patsy. He wasnt' even a good mayor.  It could easily be argued that the only reason the streets of NYC were cleaned up during his years as Mayor is because Joe Biden brought Republicans and Democrats together to pass the 1994 crime bill, putting 100,000 cops on the streets and starting an eight-year drop in crime across the country.  Rudy just rode the coattails on that one, some would say.

And lastly, just think about the pairing: two adulterers on one ticket?

What a romp that would be.  I'd sure like to see it.  Like watching a plane crash, train wreck and Death Race all at the same time.
--
Kevin B

I'm saying it now: President Barack H. Obama, Jr., 2009 - 2017
Oh boy. Lieberman. A draft dodger turned war monger. The Republican party seem's to have their fill of these.
McCain used to be a maverick, and an independent thinker. He was once the only Republican I would have considered voting for.  Lately, though he has become a yes man. I lost respect for him when he made some disgusting remarks about Hillary and Chelsea Clinton.  I decided then, that I would not cross over and vote for a Republican.  He is a mean-tempered, ignorant man.  
Despite the Dems and the allied main stream media’s desperation to see Romney as McCain’s Veep, Mitt is clearly out, with (1) Obama doubling down on the class warfare theme (McCain’s 7 houses) and (2) McCain doubling down with ads showing the hypocrisy of Biden attacking Obama in the primaries — Romney did way more than that contra McCain.

This leaves only Govs Sarah Palin and Tim Pawlenty. Pro-abortion Ridge and Dem-Lieberman were never real considerations, despite relentless media goading. Pawlenty’s lackluster TV performances, coupled with Palin pizzazz, the primacy of oil drilling and the ticked off women/Hillary voters, does now portend a McCain/Palin checkmate on the Dems. This is so albeit the Dems and liberal media dare not mention Palin’s name, that is, everyone but…..

And if there’s any question as to Palin being uniquely positioned and able to more than nullify Biden in debate, see the excellent discussion at palinforvp.blogspot.com

Team McCain, well done!!!
Lieberman has chosen to support the needs of the jewish religious state of israel over the needs of his own nation...electing a traitor is not in the cards
McCain VP Pick?

Romney called McCain dishonest during the Primary, and more.

Huckabee came in second during the Primary not Romney., This wont go over well with the Christian Base.

Romney and McCain would be the Super Rich ticket. In a middle Class Election.

Biden will win working class Votes, Romney will remind the working class he is the guy that lays you off.

Biden will be filmed going to church every sunday, Romney will be filmed going to a Mormon church, making the base of the GOP more then Uncomfortable.

So who should McCain pick??  

 Huckabee would energize the Base.

Huckabee is veiwed as Middle class, Winning overwhelming working class voters.  

 Huckabee didnt attack McCain during the primary.  

 Huckabee can hold his own with anyone in debates.  

 Huckabee Has 1 house

 Huckabee is the most logical, despite what the bloggers that are on Romney's payroll say.  By the way, the radio host of Republican talk radio
they are on the Romney payroll too.  Romney should learn he cant buy an election.  He outspent every candidate during the primarys, even outspending Huckabee 6 to 1.  Huckabee still got more delegates.  
Then there is always VP pickens http://www.tboonpickens.com
Republican options are thin indeed.  Lieberman would be a huge mistake.  How much can one man upset conversatives and still expect them to vote for him.  I don't think Romney would be such a disaster like some people say.  At least the man can balance a budget and has experience with health care.  I think most conservatives like him more than they like McCain.  
There is no way McCain would pick Lieberman as VP.  I would love to see a McCain/Lieberman ticket.  It would be "poetic justice" to see McCain/Lieberman lose in 2008 like Gore/Lieberman lost in 2000.

The conservative social Republicans already have doubts about McCain, and a Lieberman VP choice would just reinforce those doubts.  Conservative talk show hosts, guys like Limbaugh and Hannity, would "bust a gut" if McCain chooses Lieberman.  
It would be awesome if he picked Lieberman.  Can you say energizing the Democrats?  They would come out in droves to vote against the traitor Lieberman.  Not to mention that the conservatives would be pissed.  Double great.  I wish he would pick him.
Why isn't anyone talking about the obvious VP choice for McCain -  Huckabee?

He is the second place vote getter and should be getting consideration equivalent to what Hillary got.
nuanced (Sent Monday, August 25, 2008 10:02 AM)

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This is one of the best points I have heard recently.  If McInsane is droning on and on about why Billary should have received the VP spot on the Obama ticket, why is the equivilent question being posed to him?

Ahhh yes...will the real Benedict Arnold please stand up?
"Even if John McCain is in one of your church members, you don't make the hour all about him just because he appeared on television and is running for political office".

Reminds me of the story of two men shipwrecked on a deserted island.  Castaway #1 worries for days about being rescued while Castaway #2 soaks up the beach experience.  Finally #1 ask #2 why he isn't worried about being saved, to which #2 replies--"I'm a multi- millionaire and I give $10,000 a month to my church, I gurantee you my preacher will find me wherever I am".
"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."


- Hermann Goerring


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"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so.  How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar."

- Julius Caesar

McCain is really lame here. If he picks Lieberman, he puts up fodder for democratic attack ads, if puts up Pawlenty it would hard for him to explain "ready to be president," and Rommney just seal the deal on the muti-millionaires club, and not choosing Huckabee would provide the same sawdust the McCain camp is advertisng against Obama for not selecting Hillary. McCain loses no matter. Contrary to pundits about Tom Ridge, he was an awful governor of PA and an even worse homeland security chief.
To be frank, the people on this blog are a sickening folk that have nothing better to do than to insult someone who has served our country.  If you don't like Mcain fine, argue his policies, but please refrain from the nasty and to be honest, disgusting remarks aboht the mans service record.  
Have some respect for yourselves and your candidate.
As an independent, I have doubts about both candidates, Obama's aredent fans are a real turnoff.
If Obama is not a celebrity then why oh why is he appearing in a Madonna video montage on her new world tour?
"...during the services at North Phoenix Baptist Church, where the Rev. Dan Yeary described the exchange as a 'seminal moment' in the presidential campaign."

Somebody find the Tax exempt status papers for that church and put em through the shredder. Disgusting.
Bartoshevich is just another one of these Clinton romantics.  She's in love with the brand.  She's not a Democrat, that's for sure.  If she were a real Democrat supporting Hillary, she could never go and vote for someone who represents everything opposite of Hillary.  I hate these kind of people.  I hope no one else gets dragged down by her.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden
        One house
              One spouse


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