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The PUMA and the pragmatist

Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:52 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC's Domenico Montanaro
DENVER, Colo. -- It's easy here to spot Clinton supporters who are not exactly happy with Obama -- they're the loudest and most colorful.

One such individual, who could certainly be described as a PUMA, was unabashed in her criticism of the presumptive Democratic nominee.

Jeamour Matthew, who apparently has a blog profile here, shouted blatant falsehoods from a 16th St. sidewalk about Obama's youth and policies, threw out inflammatory language like “racist,” “liar” and “cheater” to describe the Illinois senator and handed out bright, yellow flyers promoting Hillary Clinton. She described herself as an ardent Clinton supporter and volunteer and said she would never vote for Obama. She would rather vote for McCain, “a real American,” she said.

But this sentiment isn't exactly overwhelming, however. Most ignored the woman and some even politely attempted to engage her in a policy debate and correct her “facts” -- unsuccessfully -- before walking away.

“I'm very pragmatic about this process,” said Misha Houser, a Clinton pledged delegate from California. “Internal fighting doesn't do us any good.”

Houser, who is from Rep. Loretta Sanchez's district, said she is very pleased with Obama and will gladly vote for him in November. She said she is not sure how she'll vote in roll call on Wednesday, in part, because she feels an obligation to represent the will of those she's representing.

But, “We need to keep in mind what the end game is -- keep a level head,” she said.

And Houser doesn't blame anyone but the Clinton campaign for losing. She said Clinton's lack of planning between Feb. 5 and Feb. 19 plus that “they didn't pay enough attention to caucuses” is why Clinton lost.

The polite, mild-manner Houser grew frustrated when asked about people like Matthew.

“That's such crap,” she said, maintaining the same level tone. “I mean, God, what's the choice? You have someone like McCain who doesn't know what he stands for and someone who works from the grassroots, which is what we're supposed to stand for.”

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I would appreciate an opportunity to be heard. It seems a little slanted when we try to post and there appears to be no chance.
This is what really gets my blood boiling. NEWSFLASH!!! Hillary LOST. The individuals she had running her campaign LOST. She knew she was going to lose a long time ago, but instead of conceding, she led her supporters to believe that she would. And now everyone wants blame Barack for Hillary's LOSS. The primaries are one thing. That has been completed. Now we are entering into the general election and it is time for folks to FALL IN LINE. Stand up/behind for your party and stop acting like BABIES. Although I did not vote for Hillary (I was actually hoping Edwards was still in the running), but if she had won the majority of the delegates (she didnt) and won against Barack (she didnt) I would be supporting her just like I am supporting Obama. Besides, I would like to see Hillary on the supreme court. Barack has other things planned for her. She will be on his team, just not the way that you wanted her to be.


Obama/Biden  

Agreed, the Clintons run the real risk here.
If they come off even vaguely petulant, their legacy is over now.

The Obama folks, I can assure you, already knew how to win without the Clintons before they asked them to speak.

Sure, Obama is a swell fellow, charitable to losers and all, but he knew exactly what he was doing.

The surprise ahead in this campaign may well be just how much and to what degree he knows what he is doing.

Donna, Lincroft: There are economists with all sorts of points of view.  McConnell's Econ 101 textbook is not the only one.  Taxes pay for services the government provides.  No taxes, no services.Things like the Food and Drug Administration, highways, bridges, levees and dams; things like the armed forces, customs and border agents... Sen. Obama is proposing to maintain a tax rate, rather than make temporary cuts (which didn't help the economy) permanent.  If you sincerely feel that your taxes will be raised under Pres. Obama, it must be because you currently make $250,000 or more.  If so, please understand that the extra taxes you pay will lift up the entire society and your services will improve.
It is this type of blind loyalty and zeal that Hillary and Bill Clinton need to address promptly and succinctly in their respective speeches. They should make it clear that if you supported her candidacy then there is NO way you could be for her and vote for McCain.

As much has been said that the Obama campaign has been given a ‘free pass’ one could argue that the Clintons have been also. The fact remains that the time for internal bickering has long passed.

Much has been said in these blogs about the baseless attacks the Republicans have been launching against Obama, if fact thanks to the heated primary the Clintons provided sound bites for the recent ads. Now the sound bites should be to turn the page on this reckless Presidency and get a Democrat into the highest office of our great country.

If the Clintons are sincerely interested in seeing the Democratic Party affect the social changes that many are hungering for it will be incumbent upon them to unequivocally stand behind and support the Obama/Biden ticket. She may yet get a star place in the new administration and she will further build upon HER OWN resume.

Hillary and Bill need to accept the reality that this is someone else’s moment, rather than misuse this opportunity to stir the caldron of discontent, they should embrace the historic and momentous occasion. History is being written and this election is not unlike the birth of our country, there are portraits of the founding fathers and they (The Clintons) should want to be viewed as participants in a turning point of American history.

The flipside to that would be that should the Republicans retain the Whitehouse the Clinton’s conduct and campaign will be the fodder for analysis until the next election which will surely be like watching Rocky VII, we know the story line and he’s too old and who cares.
I find these so-called Clinton supporters who refuse to accept that she did, in fact, lose the election as phony supporters.

Wasn't it Rush Limbaugh who suggested Republicans vote for Clinton because they had lots of ammo against her and felt they could beat her? It sounds an awful lot like that group, Republicans pretending to be Clinton supporters in order to do whatever damage they can.

Same old Repub dirty tricks 101. Because face it, Obama is going to bring a whole lot of new people into the process and that means no more scarfing at the public troughs for these guys. Limbaugh's $43M salary might be cut to a paltry $10M. Big oil, hey, how are they doing after 8 years having an oil man as president? Billions in profits while drivers get $5 gallon gas. Get the picture? John McCain is beloved by the military industrial complex, for good reason. Like Groundhog Day, a McCain presidency would repeat the current economic disasters. In fact, one of his advisers helped remove the mortgage industry rules so they could reap the rewards while homeowners and taxpayers paid.

Those people yelling out against Obama were never Clinton supporters except as they felt McCain could beat her. That's who they were going to vote for all along.
J. Matthew and PUMA are the not agood example of how women are. They have mental problems like MCain. McCain can at least say its age but them I just do not know. They are one of the reasons Hillary did not win, with women like that it is not possible to get things done. J. Matthew is welcome to McCain who is against women rights. Vote Obama
When people run into these nuts they should just point at them and scream REPUBLICAN!!!! Over and over... Don't even engage them or give them a chance to speak.... After 30 min or so of looking like idiots, they'll go away.... Just handle them all that way. If they want to roll with slime call them out on it...
Donna - what the heck are you talking about?  Yes, we all took economics, why don't you draw us a freaking graph?  If you read on to, oh, Chapter 12 of one of these mystical Econ books, you'll learn about a little something called "externalities" and how the government can play a corrective role in the amoral nature of the free market.  Through things like taxation.  Taxation leads to revenue for the government, tariffs lead to dead weight loss.  They aren't the same, and, they are part of a functioning market economy.  Not to mention, money isn't the only thing considered a "benefit" in the actual economy.  Preferences, Donna, preferences.  YOU are the one with the fingers-in-your-ears talking points, ma'am.  Not to mention WAY too much time on your hands.  Unless you're getting paid for this, which apparently, you are.  They should at least hire someone who has read a graduate level econ book.  Economics isn't really the boss's thing though, right?


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