PUMAs drown their sorrows at GOP event

Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:06 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC's Cherelle Kantey
DENVER -- Last night, in another effort to fan the flames of tension between Obama and Clinton supporters, the Republican National Committee held a "Happy Hour for Hillary,"

About 75 people floated in and out of the hip Paramount Café here to share drinks and trade viewpoints. The mostly female crowd of Hillary supporters flanked in Hillary buttons and “Nobama” stickers were willing to share their woes with all who would listen.

“We worked hard together,” said Kathy Archuleta, who recalled making numerous phone calls as a volunteer and loaning the campaign money. “It couldn’t have been very easy for her to just drop it.”

Among the crowd of middle-aged women stood Wayne Singleton, an African-American male, who said he can’t throw his support behind Sen. Obama because of flaws in the nominating system. Singleton, an organizer for People of Color PUMAS, said that since Obama didn’t win the popular vote during the primary season, he is prepared to protest the DNC’s decision by voting for John McCain. (Actually, Obama won the popular vote by almost every metric, except for the one that counted Hillary Clinton's vote in Michigan, where Obama wasn't on the ballot.)

“As a protest, I’m telling the DNC that I’m not going to reward you for a process that’s flawed, and for pushing a candidate that’s experienced out,” Singleton said, noting that adding Biden to the ticket doesn’t complement Obama’s lack of foreign policy experience. “Joe Biden is not going to put experience into someone who’s not experienced.”

The most passionate was Robin Carlson, who said she is furious that people have let their admiration for Barack Obama outweigh his lack of experience. “This is a country. This isn’t who’s your favorite rock star,” said Carlson. “This is serious business.”

An organizer for GrassrootsforHillary.com, Carlson has already started contributing funds for a 2012 Hillary campaign, because she said she is so angry about the DNC decision to name Sen. Obama the presumptive Democratic nominee. (But the DNC never named Obama the presumptive nominee; in fact, he won more pledged delegates than Clinton did.)

“It’s beyond anger. I’m despondent,” said Carlson, while sipping her white wine. “There’s a great sadness that the party I belong to is operated in a way that’s not democratic.”

Carlson also shared an emotional story about surviving uterine cancer, and how her battle with cancer made her identify closely with Sen. Clinton’s fight for the White House. “I entered this year writing my own funeral plans,” Carlson said tearfully. “When I saw Hillary fight, I said ‘if she can fight, then so can I.’”

By the end of the night, the party emptied out and one Obama delegate trickled in. Brian Spittler, a 24-year old delegate from Utah, didn’t seem too bothered by the angry Hillary supporters, or even the McCain campaign representatives decked out in McCain T-shirts, drinking beers in the corner.

“The story is overblown,” said Spittler. “Some people are hurt but by and large everyone is coming together.”

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Comments

Rachel's right: "post-rational".

Happily, most Hillary supporters aren't in the same state of mind.

jmp (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:19 PM)

I did know any idiots like Wayne Singleton were alive today,this man did not go to school at all,he should at least learn to count,is this what they call an uncle tom or an idiot.

John Nettles,Ridgecrest,Ca. (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:20 PM)

Better they should just drown.
Can't we just send them to a whine bar?

Deborah Greenlawn, NY (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:22 PM)

For a Military Draft - Vote McCain.

Obwan, IN (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:22 PM)

I know Senator Clinton will rock the house tonight and show just how committed she is to help the Democrats and Obama/Biden win the White House.

I salute her courage and her grace and her outstanding career and cannot wait to hear her speech. Rock the house Hillary!

Obama/Biden '08

Casey | Tecumseh, Mo. (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:23 PM)

This is what really gets my blood boiling. NEWSFLASH!!! Hillary LOST. The individuals she had running her campaign LOST. She knew she was going to lose a long time ago, but instead of conceding, she led her supporters to believe that she would. And now everyone wants blame Barack for Hillary's LOSS. The primaries are one thing. That has been completed. Now we are entering into the general election and it is time for folks to FALL IN LINE. Stand up/behind for your party and stop acting like BABIES. Although I did not vote for Hillary (I was actually hoping Edwards was still in the running), but if she had won the majority of the delegates (she didnt) and won against Barack (she didnt) I would be supporting her just like I am supporting Obama. Besides, I would like to see Hillary on the supreme court. Barack has other things planned for her. She will be on his team, just not the way that you wanted her to be.

Obama/Biden 08

Tanisha, Los Angeles, CA (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:23 PM)

Just goes to show you that some people will do ANYTHING for free drinks.

But the small showing, as I understand it, was largely republican operatives -- a description that likely fits many of the PUMA folks as well.

Obama 08

Jack Tracey, Roseville, CA (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:23 PM)

Keep it up Kathy Archuwhatever------
If you want to give up sovereignty over your body
If you want your sons and daughters to go off to needless war
If you want second class status in the workplace
If you think Social Security is a "disgrace"
If you want your privacy trod upon with impunity
If you wat BIG OIL and DEFENSE CONTRACTORS to get all the pie
If you want to work 21/2 jobs to make ends meet
If you want to spend hours and hours in an overwhelmed emergency room because it is your only recourse for medical help
.............go right ahead..............we will remember your bitter pill...............G-d help me if you force it down my throat

Sherri, Charleston WV (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:23 PM)

Yawn...

ABDIII,Charlotte, NC (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:24 PM)

With all the discussion about Barack Obama's "inexperience" I can think of two arguments that have not been made.

First, he was a state senator with numerous accomplishments as well as the ones made as a freshman U.S. Senator. How is it that a govenor's experience with state government counts toward being president but a state senator's does not?

He has a lifetime labor voting record of over 90% as well. Why more blue collar workers aren't flocking to Obama's bandwagon is beyond me. He has much more hands on experience of working with union members and other working class people than Hillary Clinton did, yet she seemed to get more support from that genre. I know that many unions will be informing their members about his record in the coming months, but the general public needs to hear about Obama's record on fighting for the working class.

Second, there is at least one U.S. president who had even less experience than Barack when he was elected -- Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln served one term -- for two years -- as a congressman. Like Obama he spent some time in the Illinois legislature, but then he lost two races for the U.S. Senate before winning the presidency. Maybe this Lincoln connection was discussed and dismissed for being too precocious, but I think it would not hurt for the general public to know how much experience Lincoln actually had before becoming the greatest president in U.S. history.

Jeff B.; Oregon, IL (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:24 PM)

75 people? That's it? I thought they had 3,000,000. When I saw more carpet than actual protesters in that Washington hotel lobby back on May 31st I suspected this issue was being overblown.

Gee. Who could benefit most by giving it oxygen? The GOP? The media? As Colbert says, "movin' on".

Ian (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:24 PM)

The falsehoods, half truths and shear WILLFUL ignorance of some people still fascinates me to no end.

DV, CA (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:25 PM)

could you post my comment, please? I want to publicly acknowledge Senator Clinton's support and efforts.

I am looking forward to seeing Senator Hillary Clinton show just what a great speaker and great Democrat she is. I don't think we can know what it's like to have fought such a hard Primary battle...

John McCain would like nothing better than to fan the flames of anti-unity... We are SMARTER than that and you can be damn sure HRC is smarter than John McCain.

She will be magnificent, no matter HOW the media and the Republicans try to tear her every action, word and look apart. She will stand up and say "I'm Hillary Clinton, I endorse Barack Obama and I do NOT support John McCain's message" and that, as they say, will be that.

No matter who you worked to support in the Primary, both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama want the same thing -- a better, safer, healthier, more well off America. John McCain is just four more years of the same AND WORSE. He will stack the Supreme Court with right-wing republican judges who will strike down Roe v. Wade, support torture, support taking away our civil liberties and give the government all the power BIG BROTHER needs to keep track of you.

We don't need that. We need healthcare, a better economy, more jobs, a REAL energy policy... and an America that the world believes in again.

I wrote my local media to THANK Hillary Clinton for her awesome support using the media tools on the my.BarackObama.com website :

http://my.barackobama.com/keepingtrack

These tools will help you write your local media to expose John McCain or... as I did, to thank Hillary Clinton for her support.

Finally... wasn't Ted Kennedy just the person to rally the Convention? Thank you, sir! I was misty-eyed. And what about that Michelle Obama and those cute, cute girls? You cannot script such love and family.

This is why I support Barack Obama. Family, Country, Service that is real... NOT just something done 40 years ago, but every day. Civil, Respectful, and yes, different.

It's TIME for DIFFERENT. We've had the SAME for too many years.

Casey | Tecumseh, Mo. (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:25 PM)

I feel so sorry for those who feel like they've been cheated by this process. I only hope if my candidate had lost that I would not represent or present myself in this manner. For the most part, I believe people think PUMAs are all or mostly women -- and their actions just do not represent women in a positive light...I am sorry their candidate lost, but to change information or data to suit your needs is just not a a good way to represent your candidate...it almost looks pathetic and I am sure that's not the look they were going for.

Lauri Smalls, Providence (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:25 PM)

Wearing a brown T-shirt with "Hillary" written across it in blue, Archuleta said she was outraged that Sen. Clinton’s historic run for the presidency ended in heartbreak. “Women are realizing we’re not being recognized. We’re being treated like second-class citizens.”

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Senator Clinton is not the only one to see a campaign for the Presidency end in heartbreak. Can you say Al Gore? To lose in the way he did,(after coming so much closer to winning than Senator Clinton did) could not have been easy to accept, but he went on with his life. Senator Clinton and her supporters could learn from him and from Senator Kennedy.

Dorothy, Illinois (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:26 PM)

looks like first read and the democrats have it in for the pumas. That's okay, they'll have a good home, in the republican party.

sam neill (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:27 PM)

Welcome!!

RNC (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:28 PM)

The fat lady has sung, and it's time to move on. We're sorry you didn't get your way, but that's what democracy is all about. Some people will never be happy, but your voices were heard. More voices voted for true change in Obama.

Hillary needs to Move On Dot Org (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:34 PM)

It's sad, really, that there are people who allow themselves to be deluded by right-wing lies. The VAST majority of the noise made by the so-called "PUMAs" is just a Republican front, paying for and organizing events (like this one).

It's the Big Lie: Repeat it often enough, and suddenly it becomes a "fact" that there are all these outraged Clinton supporters who are voting for McCain, when in fact they are a fringe minority that was never a core constituency in the Democratic Party.

It's a farce.

It's a lie.

And some are so busy feeling sorry for themselves that they allow the delusion to overcome them.

And you guys in the mainstream media aren't helping one damned bit, you know. You repeat the absurd lies even as you correct them ... but simply *repeating* them gives them a pseudo-validity born of familiarity:

http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=background.view&backgroundid=00275

Besides, you guys have really, really embarrassed yourselves, and I hope that after this election cycle you'll catch on to how you've been played for fools. The PUMAs were *never* a real phenominon -- they were sock puppets on blog comments and Republican shill websites. Those of us who grew up in this world can sniff it out immediately, but somehow you guys who grew up in the network news age or cable news age (as opposed to the internet news age) haven't been able to catch on.

GaMeS, North Texas (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:35 PM)

Get a clue bitter little trolls of PUMA, this election isn't about experience, it's about sound judgment. We aren't dazzled by Barack Obama's rock star like instant fame, we're dazzled by a man who has shown he has the qualities to be a great leader, that he has that rare quality to inspire people to work for a better America. Sorry but Hillary lacks that most important quality of being able to inspire so many people of so many diverse backgrounds and most importantly she lacks sound judgment. "Bush Hugger" McCain also lacks that important quality because he's spent a lifetime riding someone else's coattails into everything he's done.

Her kitchen sink strategy was an act of desperation and it backfired on her. She expected to be coronated like some queen and didn't work to win the primaries until it was too late and she had already lost the primary battle by the end of February. Her kitchen sink strategy doomed her for being Obama's running mate as the repugnant ones wanted so much to run against Hillary and Bill's Monicagate legacy.

Barack Obama wasn't given the primary victory nor did he steal it. He worked smart and hard and had the sound judgment to select a winning campaign staff with a winning message of change while Hillary picked a bunch of losers like Mark Penn and Patty Solis Doyle. Patty had absolutely no previous campaign experience and was picked to be the campaign manager soley out of loyalty and that was stupid judgment.

Get over it already and let's get united behind Obama/Biden to take back our democracy from the repugnant ones who are destroying our secular democracy. Hillary has shown sound judgment lately in being a team player and getting behind Obama's candidacy. She has shown real class by agreeing that party unity is more important than petty personal egos by agreeing to cut the roll call vote short.

If Obama loses it will be the fault of Hillary's foolish PUMA supporters who have not shown the class yet to show they're true team players and can put their own petty personal egos aside for the greater good of the party and country. You fools doom Obama now in 2008 then rest assured that we'll ensure she never wins in 2012.

Go Obama/Biden 08/12!

Eric, Salinas, CA (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:36 PM)

Why does the press persist in giving these PUMA types a podium? It isn't as if this is truly a big movement and really newsworthy.

EM, Los Angeles, CA (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:37 PM)

Honestly, as a woman, these women embarrass me. I mean, could they amplify the stereotype anymore that women are too emotional, hold lifelong grudges, and embody the "hell hath no fury" cliche? Get over it -- plain and simple. Why weren't they so outraged at Bill humiliating his wife while he was in office, while she ran for president, and even as she left the race? Really, tamp it down. No one cares about your emotional rant. If you want live in a man's world (like running for president), you gotta play by men's rules. There's no crying in politics -- so grab a kleenex, fix your makeup, and pull yourself together. There's a lot more at stake then your "feelings!"

Patt, Los Angeles, CA (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:38 PM)

I just don't get the Obama backlash by some Clinton supporters. Sure, it's heartbreaking when things don't turn out the way you wanted. That's life. But it's maturity that says you accept it and either move on or try again but you don't bash the winner. That's just downright selfish and ugly behavior.

This group says it's historic and they want to be treated with respect but then are so totally disrespectful to the process and acting like spoiled brats. I just can't take them seriously when they say they are treated like second-class citizens when they're acting like no-class citizens.

I am a woman but I vote women's issues not gender. Clinton has shown she's not ready to be a leader, that she's still Bill's husband and he's still calling the shots. That's their real problem, they can't accept that this woman is not the right woman to make history.

Look at Senator Claire McCaskill. Every time I see her I see someone I would point my daughter to as an example, not Hillary Clinton. And there are other outstanding women out there, poised and ready and soon.

KH, HI (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:39 PM)

OMG!!!

75 wackos aren't going to vote for Obama!!!

75 pouters are still mad!!

Let's have a panel discussion!

Hurry, before it's too late!!!

Mark Thieme (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:40 PM)

... and BTW Hillary supporters were also seen waiving the confederate flag.

Libratine (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:41 PM)

The PUMAS are a group of closet Repubs anyways...the nominating process was completely fair, and Bilary lost fair and square....they deserve another 4 years of HELL if they choose to vote for Old Man McCain...And best believe, Bilary will never get our votes in 2012 if she and her PUMAS cause Obama to lose this election

Mechanicsburg, PA (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:42 PM)

The story is overblown,” said Spittler. “Some people are hurt but by and large everyone is coming together.”
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Keep convincing yourselves that in this year when practically ANY Democrat could have won the WH, yours still will. He's not who the heart of this Party wants. MSNBC "reporters" seem to be tripping over each other to find the worst examples of Hillary supporters to humiliate. I hope MSNBC is equally eager to accept their share of the blame in Nov when McCain wins!

Bobbi, Eau Claire, WI (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:44 PM)

Whatever happened to each party allowing the other to have their convention in peace?

And Eric, Salinas, CA

Count me in on the Moron Joe thing. It is time for him to be retired to raise his children, the poor things. But I don't understand how he gets away with his behavior when Shuster got suspended.

sotiredofignorance (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:46 PM)

none ill care but i guaranti you if obama lose ! hilarry also ill never going running for any offices again ! have you heared about in case if obama lose .com ?? so this a warning sight !

in case if obama lose ! (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:48 PM)

The rules were set before the beginning of the election process, and every single candidate agreed to and signed to abide by the rules. When it was realized that Obama was on the way to winning the nomination, the entire Clinton crowd wanted to change the rules mid-election. Obama won by the rules that were agreed to, so why is he blamed for Clinton not winning the nomination just bc she thought she was entitled to it? Obama is not anti-woman, McCain is on abortion and equal pay, so now they want to vote for McCain? Do not elect the wrong person out of spite, put the country before your yourself! JFK had limited experience, and Dick Cheney was very experienced before getting into the White House, who would you vote for?

David Austin (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:50 PM)

I don't understand how the voting process wasn't democratic. More people voted for Obama. That includes a state where he wasn't on the ballot.

Guancous, Silver Spring, MD (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:53 PM)

"Actually, Obama won the popular vote by almost every metric, except for the one that counted Hillary Clinton's vote in Michigan, where Obama wasn't on the ballot." "The DNC never named Obama the presumptive nominee; in fact, he won more pledged delegates than Clinton did."

Nice article on clearing the facts. These people are delusional! Accept the fact that Hillary ran a poor race and lost. If she cannot even run a campaign, how could she run the country?? The right person won! Obama ran a clean campaign. Even with the Clinton's throwing the "kitchen sink" at him he won the popular vote and the delegate count. What more do you want??

Go ahead and threaten to vote for McCain and he will take away women's rights, reinstate the draft, continue to give tax breaks to the oil companies, and keep the tax breaks for the rich. If you want 4 more years of a failed ecomony, home forclosures and middle class bankruptcies, and a war in Iran follow through and vote for McCain.

Just remember, when we go from bad to worse, you are the ones who will be responsible!!

Leslie P. (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:57 PM)

While I really like Olbermann, I had to change to CSpan....why is MSNBC or CNNor FAUX even having the convention on if all we hear are talking heads instead of the good speeches....yesterday everyone said there wasn't enough McCain bashing, well how would you talking heads even know? No one would know unless you watch CSpan, all we get is PUNDITS.........Cables news has become a JOKE and all of them are doing a iservice to the public

tr (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:59 PM)

Whither the Larouchies?

I don't blame Kathy A. I'd be pissed if I loaned money to a "friend" who didn't pay back, too.

Joel (Seattle, WA) (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:59 PM)

75 people??? Please explain why this is newsworthy? Two more days, and hopefully, PLEASE GOD, the clintons will fade away. She better deliver for Obama tonight, or we will be at the ready to support ANYONE who runs against her for Senate.

ella Washington DC (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:00 PM)

75?? Isn't it more than clear that this is a TINY squad of Limbaugh mercenaries trying to drum up a press story that doesn't actually exist??

TFMC, Seattle, Wash. (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:01 PM)

SHUUUUUUUUUUUUUT UUUUUUUUUUUP CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZIES

OH. MY. GOD. You whining bunch of simpletons! You're seriously falling for John McCain's crap!? Do you remember the 90's!? Do you think you're doing anyone any favors by siding with the people who tried to rip Bill up for eight years? shut up Shut Up SHUT UP! This isn't about Hillary anymore - this is about you needing to get yourself to therapy FAST! You're all NUTS!

Ryan (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:01 PM)

I keep trying to figure out the appeal that John Mccain would possibly have for a Hillary supporter...they are both older than Obama and that is where the resemblance ends...

Ron, AZ (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:03 PM)

BEWARE OF THE LIMBAUGH FIFTH COLUMNISTS....masquerading as democrats / Hillary supporters !!! They are serious and they use this tactic to divide and undermine the efforts to take OUR country back from the disastrous Neo-con Right Wing. So far...they have done a good enough job to take a lot of MSNBC's attention and people as Scarborough and Pat Buchanan really eat it up!!

pmcpacific@gmail.com (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:03 PM)

From the Bullmooses in the last century ( and MUGWUMPS before that ) to the
Pundits and PUMAS of this century, my head is
spinning. Who the heck is who, and are they
really whom they say they are ?

Personally, I am now WITLESS...

Who In This Lousy Election Speaks any Sense ?

...or should that be Whom ?

Jim, San Diego (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:03 PM)

WOW! If these people are willing to vote for McCain, they were NEVER democrats in the first place. They are nothing but whining, sore losers, wanting their 15 minutes of fame. These people had nothing in their lives to begin with. So. . . they latched onto Hillary Clinton, WHO LOST!

Linda from Michigan (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:04 PM)

I am so sick and tired of these "PUMAS" . They are not democrats, we do not need these fairweather democrats in the party. Why don't you go educate yourself on the primaries? why don't you go and read how Barack won the popular vote and how Hillary did not want to be the "woman" candidate at first and only decided this when she saw he was beating her. Please get a grip, you want to go and vote for someone who is only using you by all means go right ahead and we'll gladly see you PUMAs off. Good riddance!

O'romie, Hartford, CT (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:04 PM)

Where was all of this hand wringing about "experience" when the biggest disaster ever to hit the White House (George W. Bush) was elected? McCain represents nothing but a continuation of GW Bush and his farcical policies and anti-democratic, secretive, contemptuous, ill-conceived, head-in-the-sand, my way or the highway brand of Republicanism.

We've seen and heard all about "experience" from the current buffoon in residence and it's led to nothing but war, a poor economy, no corporate oversight, signing statements as a way to avoid abiding by the law, torture, ignoring the Constitution, cries of "national security" and "executive privilege" whenever a cover-up is needed, and a Vice President (supposedly with years of "experience") who has nothing but contempt for open government and democracy. Want more of the same? Vote Republican.

R.Merrell (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:05 PM)

The common denominator to each of the complainants is ignorance of the facts. Voting for McCain as a protest vote is a disservice and abomination to every soldier that has died in the cause of freedom and liberty and to the founding fathers who would have abhorred the thought of someone cheapening what they struggled and paid with blood to achieve.

D Terry, WPB FL (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:06 PM)

Trash all of Hillary's plans and policies -- vote for McCain -- that is a true sign of supporting your candidate and the programs and policies she shared with you.

Dusgusted, MI (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:09 PM)

I think I must be on the "no fly list" aka the "no type list". I have submitted at least 12 posts in the last two weeks and none have been posted. There were no derogatory statements, no foul language, just observations, all relevant, at leat I thought so. My last post was on Michelle's speech given last night. I posted at 12:30 a.m. Pacific and at that time there were 0 comments. However, I do see comments from many of the same people all the time. I watch MSNBC regularly but the DNC coverage has not really been very good. Far too much banter and not enough substance. But I forgot, you don't much care about my opinions anyway.

Cheryl (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:09 PM)

Do you suppose that if that guy sitting beside Keith Oberman keeps digging and pestering at it, do you suppose he can create a rift between the Clintons and the Obamas? I don't believe he will be satisfied until evidence surfaces that there is a rift. I wish he would report the news rather than work so damn hard to try to create it.

Clark Turberville (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:09 PM)

McCain is running one of the most classless and clownish campaigns in recent history. If this is appealing to the American people then once again we get a President befitting of who and what we are--an empire in decline.

Steven Davis, Albany, NY (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:12 PM)

Gawd!!!! I am so tired of these people! Everyone knew the rules of the nominating process before the first caucus in Iowa. The Clinton campaign agreed to them. Then, they got BEATEN, fair and square! The nominating process is not perfect, I agree. But even a child will tell you that you can't change the rules after the game has begun. Clinton said herself that she didn't have a plan for any of the contests after February. They didn't participate in caucus states because they assumed, they would have the nomination wrapped up. They were wrong, and now they call Obama arrogant?!? Give me a break!!!

Obama Supporter from the Beginning, San Francisco, CA (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:14 PM)

Wow - 75 people, that's impressive, if you're into elite parties. Now if they held a party for Obama supporters you think more than 75 would show up.

Jim, Santa Cruz (Sent Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:15 PM)

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