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Biden's take on Palin's address

Posted: Thursday, September 04, 2008 12:54 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli
VIRGINIA BEACH, VA -- Biden praised Palin today for a speech he said was well delivered last night. But, like other Democrats, he said the speech was more noteworthy because it ignored some of the most pressing issues of the day.

“I thought the vice presidential nominee did an incredible job,” he said here. “I tell you, she is good... But the thing that I was most impressed by, beyond her standing and how confident she was, was what he didn’t say. She didn’t mention the word 'health care.' She didn’t mention the word 'education.' She didn’t mention college education... Not one time did I hear the phrase "middle class" part [Republicans’] lips.”

With a heightened focus on the role of gender since Palin’s announcement, Biden tried to stick to the issues both here and this morning, when he conducted a series of television interviews. But one woman in the audience at the Virginia Beach Convention Center asked Biden if he would promise to “go at her the same way” he would a male candidate in debates.

“I think she's going to be an incredibly competent debater,” he answered. “The way I was raised is, I never, never, never attack the other person. I will take issue with her ideas as strongly as I possibly can... I will be unrelenting in my debate with governor, the governor of Alaska in terms of the positions she has taken. But I will not do what she is able to do so well... I am not good at the one-line zingers.”

The comments came during an event otherwise advertised as a conversation on military issues. And Biden did criticize McCain, and Palin by association, for what he said was failed judgment on Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Ladies and gentlemen, a guy who supposedly doesn’t know anything, he got it right," Biden said of Obama. "He got it right. John got it wrong... There’s only one odd man out, two actually, a man and a woman -- McCain and Palin."

Biden said he was happy to be in the air for most of last night’s convention speeches -- his plane landed just moments before Palin’s speech began. But he had fun with a line from Mike Huckabee, who said in his convention speech that Palin had received more votes for mayor than Biden did in his presidential bid.

“The unfortunate part about that is he's correct,” Biden joked. Thank God Barack Obama … picked me up from oblivion, you know?”

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I would like to hear the unfavorable remarks by two Republican commentators that was reported in the NY times this morning.
Love Biden's sense of humor!
Mainstream Media - It's time to introduce us to the real Sarah Palin. America doesn't know her.
Joe Biden wasn't well known to me prior to his pick as Obama's VP...I wish I'd been watching him all along.  He is the average man, with a working class background, who came up the hard way to his success.  I was incredibly impressed with his speech at the DNC, and am continuing to enjoy his relaxed and competent way of handling the issues.  I also applaud him for pointing out the MAIN THING missing from Sarah Palin's speech...the ISSUES.  Her speech was an attack, and not a clever one, without substance behind it.  I know no more about her today than I did yesterday, especially not where she really stands.  

As far as the personal attacks against her, I believe EVERY CANDIDATE has experienced that, regardless of gender.  You step into the spotlight, you can't complain of the glare.

Obama really did "hit it out of the park" with his choice of a running mate, and I hope - for the future of my children and the security of our nation - that Obama and Biden take the election in November...they certainly have MY VOTE.  
At a time when we are asking our citizens to put "country first", before Governor Palin derides everyone who chooses to be community organizers. Nice message.
I Love Joe Biden
 So McCain has failed judgment on the Iraq War...the same Iraq War Biden voted to authorize.    
" Thank God Barack Obama … picked me up from oblivion, you know"

Now that's funny! I need a laugh, watching Sarah Palin last night and imagining her as our VP was very dispiriting. And then to wake up and hear the media pundits saying how great she was - as usual, we are not on the same page (unless they think the mic is off, then, apparently we agree.)
It's laughable how many people on here today are criticizing Palin's speech as hateful and nasty ...

These bloggers are the same ones who praise Obama's message of hope, change, and togetherness, and then spend their time online turning the Red v. Blue argument into a mud slinging war. So the republican leadership is cruel and devisive, and that's wrong ... but the enitre democratic base is allowed to verablly abuse everything in its path? Yeah ... OK ... I can see how that makes sense. ?? No. You supporters are the reason I don't buy into Obama. You praise his message, then go out and do the opposite.

On an offnote, the funniest thing in the world to me is that half of America says, "I'm so tired of those ignorant Republicans" or "I'm so tired of those ignorant Democrats" without even realizing that the other half of the country is saying the opposite. And there are very intelligent and very stupid people on both sides of it. It's a beautiful road to nowhere, so enjoy the scenery no matter who gets elected.
Book banning,gun carrying,secretive,abuse of power,moose eating,ban abortion lets another oil person write this counties energy plan Palin is just the kind of person every person in middle America can relate too brought to by the great Karl Rove.
Biden is such a class act.

Welcome to the No Smear Zone.

Seriously, put one of the most likable guys in the Senate on stage against, after last night, one of the most unlikable Governors in America and let's see who America identifies with.

The one that wants to help out the middle class families and has a real plan to move America forward  or the one who's best achievement to date is a rousing attack.

That's a debate I'm ready to see.

These guys have no record to run on and no new ideas for the future. All McCain/Palin can do is resort to personal attacks.

Come on, attacking the job he had in the 80's, and insulting everyone who's ever had that job? We've got to be better.
Palin's speach was very offensive as well as Guiliani. She offended Community organizers and people who work very hard at the grassroots, including those who worked during the sufferage movement. She offended Obama supporters as mindless followers. Guiliani offended muslims. and in my opinion Fred Thompson offended African Americans by belittling the historic nature of Obama's candidcy as the first African American to be nominated by a major party. This is the ole rope a dope if I have ever seen it. They have no position on helping this country nor do they care so they attack attack and attach..just a few thoughts about Barack's so called belittled Community organizer. This is from the Dallas Morning News.

"Now, the truth is that, starting at age 23, Obama ran a faith-based charity called the Developing Communities Project.

It was made up of eight Catholic parishes when he got there and had one staff member. He was its director, meaning he was in charge. He made decisions about it, including staffing, budgets, etc. And when he left in 1988 to go to law school, he had grown its budget from $70,000 to $400,000, its staff from 1 to 13 people. More important, he created a job training program for this community and a college prep tutoring program.

As mayor, she built a hockey rink/rec center using eminent domain (because apparently there just isn't enough land in Alaska).

And keep in mind the timeline here: Obama did this as a young man BEFORE going to law school, becoming a successful lawyer and a law professor.

I don't think it's right to attack someone for working in a faith-based charity out of college. I think we all have some embarrassing first-jobs in our past. I would not make fun of Palin for being a beauty queen and sports reporter out of college during these same years. Although, I do think Obama's experience shaped his political future a bit better ... "
So while Obama was helping to get people jobs and left themselves out of poverty. Sara Palin was a pageant girl... And they want to belittle Obama.. PLEASE!!!!


This is what happens when you build your house on an empty suit (Obama in this case). The next best thing that shows up is now the new celebrity. Obama is now old news, no longer the fresh face, no longer popular. Bad timing too, you know, with the election being so close.
I can't wait for the VP Debate:  You have a veteran Senator against an 18 month old Alaskan governor.  He's gonna eat her alive...


...maybe like Harriet Miers, she'll drop out!
Let's look at Joe Biden's judgment.  He firmly stated in the primaries that Obama is not ready to lead our country ("The presidency is not a place for on-the-job training" paraphrase).  When asked later if he meant it, he confirmed that he did.  Then he loses in the primaries.  Then Obama picks him for the VP slot and all of a sudden Obama has all the knowledge and wit to lead our country according to Biden.  Does this not show that Biden is both self-serving and completely inconsistent.  When he wants to win, he'll say whatever to put down his opponent.  But once defeated, if that opponent chooses him, he'll say whatever is needed to promote him.  Is that good judgment for a VP?  If your argument is that he's just playing typical political games, then fine.  But please spare us all the hype about how this democratic ticket brings a "new" kind of politics to our country.  
OBAMA SHOWS HIS FEAR —–

OBAMA is finding it necessary for Obama to “RUN” against Sarah Palin!

Obama is so afraid that his qualifications and experience are so shallow that it will be compared with that of Governor Palin’s — and hers will come out on top.

Or, vice versa. Governor Palin’s qualifications and experience will be compared with that of Senator Obama — and hers will come out on top.

It is an act of desperation for Obama to be taking on Sarah Palin. …FEAR, FEAR, FEAR.

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We all love you Joe Biden!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The left just doesn't get it...the reason that Palin did not speak about healthcare and education is because the country does NOT want government intrusion into these issues...the country does NOT want a bigger government!

The reason middle class did not pass the lips of Palin is because Republicans do not believe in class warfare as the Democrats have built their entire platform upon! She spoke eloquently about small business and economic issues that face the country as a whole involving all classes.

As to one line zingers...each was based upon the truth of Obama and what he has held up as his experience. This is not personal this is about issues and experience which are fair game, as opposed to the incredible personal attacks thrust upon Gov Palin.

The liberal left should be fearful because they are being called on the fear mongering and class warfare that they have based their candidacy.

GO McCAIN/PALIN...the country is behind you!!!!!
Biden is just setting her up for her fall during the debates.
Go Joe!!  It's not about looking good is it!  Or about zingers is it!  It's about what's good for our country.  Palin did good last night to show she can read a teleprompter, look pretty, be snug, but where was any mention of the issues we Americans are really concerned about.  Yes we are in 2 wars, Thank You GWB, and I will point out it's not her fault, but it is her parties fault.  Speaking for the people I know,
we want solutions for Americas problems.  Not the same old rederick.  Let's not blow it again Americans.
Obama/Biden 08'
NO, NO, NO, JOE - DO NOT LET YOUR GUARDS DOWN WITH THIS PERSON. DO NOT TREAT HER LIKE YOU WOULD ANY OTHER LADY.  SHE HAS SHOWN THE NATION SHE IS TOUGH AS NAILS SO WITHOUT ANY DOUBT - GO FOR THE JUGULAR!!!!!!!!!  

I LOVE JOE BIDEN!

Obama/Biden '08

No Way.  No How.  No McCain -- and certainly NO PALIN!
Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.
Joe...just remember..."a noun and a verb and hockey mom."  That's all she's got to offer the American ticket.  At least that's what she told us last night...
Obama and Biden...  The newest owners of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
I love Joe Biden.  A phenomenal family man who has dedicated his career to serving Delaware and America with honor and integrity.  I hope he gets his shot...for all of us.
Obama is a barrier breaking candidate , who will stand tall along with Biden no matter what Palin smears at them. Biden shows class and will attack Palin on facts and issues. All Palin did last night is smear Obama and Biden with no foundation under her speech. Never did she address the middle class or disadvanged americans. Palin simply lied about her record while using whithering attacks on Obama's community organizer, senator, author experience. Sure, Palin can read a well scripted speech from a telepromter, but the true test will be the debates. I have no doubt Biden will do great. Palin speech was delivered as it was meant to be. SCRIPTED. She is clearly tough , but Jo Biden does not need to treat her with kid gloves and she hasn't debated with Biden before. Boy is she gonna get it on Oct 2nd! In my humble opinion she deserves everything she is about to get. Go Obama and Biden!!!
Great Job Joe!!! stick with the issues..that is what we care about. let the pubs attack.that is all they know how to do because that is all they know. they have know idea how to fix the problems that we have of today so they attack the people who do. all they want is to say WE WON and continue to make this country worse.the rich get richer the middle class gets poor and the poor don't exist..that is what will happen if mccain/palin go in the WH. Love you guys@!!
OBAMA/BIDEN 08/12
IMAGINE MY SURPRISE WHEN I OPENED MY WALL STREET JOURNAL THIS AM.

ON THE FRONT PAGE JOHN MCCAIN IS SLAPPING A TEENAGE BOY FOR GETTING A TEENAGE GIRL PREGNANT

I THOUGHT WHEN I SAW THIS SAME SEEN WITH THE TEENS GETTING OFF THE PLAN AND THIS EXACT SCENE UNFOLD THIS WAS A JOKE

JUST A FEW DAYS AGO THE TEENAGE BOY'S MY SPACE BRAGGED ABOUT NOT WANTING TO HAVE KIDS

THIS IS ALL A CHOROGRAPHED STAGE FOR AMERICANS WHILE WRECKING THE LIVES OF TWO YOUNG PEOPLE WHO'S FAMILIES ARE IRRESPONSIBLE AND THREW THEM UNDER THE BUS FOR AMBITION AND POLITICAL GAIN

IS THIS REALLY HAPPENING IN OUR COUNTRY WHERE WE TEACH OUR CHILDREN THAT PREGNANCY IS NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF BUT SHOULD IT HAPPEN WE REINFORCE OUR SUPPORT AND INSIST THAT YOU COMPLETE YOUR FULL EDUCATION WHILE MOM AND OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS HELP CARE FOR THE CHILD

IN AMERICA WE WANT OUR CHILDREN TO DO BETTER THAN WE DID NOT LESS. WE DON'T USE OUR KIDS FOR PHOTO OPS AND FOR POLITICAL FODDER

THIS PALIN SCENE IS DISGRACEFUL, THESE TEENS MANY OF US FEEL VERY SORRY FOR BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS DON'T HAVE THE LEAD BY EXAMPLE, NOT THE PARENTING SKILLS TO HELP THEIR CHILDREN RATHER

THEY THREW THEM TO THE MEDIA AND SAID, DON'T TALK ABOUT THE KIDS, YET THEY KEEP TAKING PHOTO OPS, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS

EXPOLITING CHILDREN AND THEY ARE CHILDREN IS JUST WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
I agree with Joe Biden, this woman did not address any issues facing this country. If you check out her own states newspapers, she's in trouble. She has asked for almost $200 million in Federal Funds although she touts she is against "earmarked Federal Funding." If only someone besides John Stewart would publisize these facts the tables would turn, the champaign would fall...Go get her Joe!, she is a political animal and is dangerous to everyone. She, like McCain distort all the facts. She sold her 17 yr old daughter for the job, now that's motherhood.
Obama Fears GOVERNOR SARAH PALIN ! (Sent Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:05 PM)

LOL! Rove has done a fine job with you people!

BOO!

Obama/Biden '08
Talking much about Palin is a waste of good air.  Any attack dog could have given a good speech if trained well enough.  She is a mean vicous woman who has no substance just a lot of hot air
I like Biden, disagree with him on issues, but like him. True, the Obama/Biden campaign now have a fine like to walk. The whole tenor of this campaign has changed over these past few days. I can tell you this pick from McCain has stoked the entire base. McCain's "reformer", and "spending cutter" rep now has some real meat. Reid/Pelosi have been warned.
Biden dropped out of the race..Alex, DC (Sent Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:09 PM)

Operative words:  dropped out

And, 76K votes vs the 18M BHO and HRC got is pretty paltry!
...maybe like Harriet Miers, she'll drop out!
Deninge Sims, San Leandro, CA (Sent Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:04 PM)

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I sure hope so, because like clueless Harriet, this is another one the Repugs are trying to push down our throats.  My question is why?  Why?  What IS it about her?  I am sure they could have found someone else with more name recognition.  Hmmmm
Cheney in drag, watch out we don't need to go through that again.
As far as the political right not believing in class warfare, Mccain believes "middle class" families bring in 5 mil a year. the right also gives tax breaks to th upperclass in hopes of a trickle down effect that has not worked. This trickle down effect is suppose to provide more money for those below upper class. Class, Class, Class
Unfortunately for Gov Palin & the Republicans, this is not a personality contest.  I would expect Gov Palin to be well-received at the Republican convention by a room full of republican supporters.  That's a no-brainer.  I agree with Senator Biden that her speech was not substantive with respect to the issues that are concerning American voters.  It was plagued with one-line zingers & personal attacks on Senator Obama.  I looked at those people filling the halls and thought, my God, they do represent the diverse America we live in and they seem far removed from the day-to-day issues affecting the lives of American voters. Not only are the Republicans refusing to take ownership of the significant amount of issues that have occurred or worsened during the last 8 years under their leadership.., they haven't even bothered to recognize them via their convention speeches.  How is assasinating Obama's character & experience going to help the economy?  I'm not impressed with Gov Palin...she represents more of the same and frankly, she seems to be a pawn.
Keep fooling yourselves into thinking that Palin is "qualified", but apparently when her supporters think the microphone is off the truth comes out.   She is a joke and everyone is laughing!  The republicans are running scared.  They don't have a chance.  This is getting better all the time!

Obama/Biden '08
Very nice to see some class coming from Obama and Biden.
Palin is a liar. She lied about refusing earmarks - she pulled in more pork per capita than any other governor. No suprise there. Republicans don't see adherence to the truth as a virtue - more as a liability to be trounced on for political expediency. All in all, Palin regurgitated a smug, vicious, disingenuous performance that illuminates nothing except how hollow the McSame claim to the "reform" title actually is.
Sara barracuda is great at throwing zingers in her supposedly great speech but Biden and Obama talk about the peoples problems. for a Party who thinks they own God,he said feed the hungry 'help the poor the meek shall inherit the earth'she should practice some humility and Abstinence DON"T work Hot Sara
Apparently, Palin ran up a huge debt when she was mayor of Wasilla:
thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/09/03/wasilla-in-debt/

So she does have valuable executive experience! She'll be able to take over Bush's budget-busting endeavors at a moment's notice if McCain isn't up to the job!
Perhaps the most telling thing we learned from the gov.'s speech was when she compared herself to a "pitbull". Evean the party seemed to treat her that way, keeping her under cover untill it was time for her to(fight) preform.
I closed my eyes last night during Palin's speech and I could just hear George Bush's voice coming out of her mouth.  It's the same old Republican talk.  FEAR FEAR FEAR.  Scare the American people.  
Just saw this post by "Sleek" on HuffPost. Gotta share.

"Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor."
The "Experience" Issue, in a nutshell...

If you vote for the GOP, you have to worry that McCain will die too quickly, leaving an inexperienced novice in charge.

If you vote for the Democrats, you have to worry that Obama will stay alive, leaving an inexperienced novice in charge.
Keep talking about policies to help the middle class, Democrats.  That's the message that is needed to break the stranglehold of Republican pit bulls...whether or not they wear lipstick.
Pull your heads out of the sand people. Biden & Obama, class acts?? Please, they just let the media do their dirty work. Hilary and Biden were right, Obama does not have the experience. No one was poking fun at organizers last night. Would any of you hire someone that worked for 3.5 months with very little to show for it over the last 3 years and has spend the balance of the time looking for a higher paying job? How will raising my taxes and increasing the govt. help me (Obama & Biden's plan). I don't see how raising taxes on industry, small businesses and the things we all need to survive will help us. It all rolls down hill people. We all will end up paying in an obamanation and end up just like Jimmy Carter left us.
For all the cries of sexism coming from the Republicans I saw many delegates wearing buttons that said "Hoosiers for the HOT CHICK," and "Hockey Mom's for the HOT CHICK." Really?????? Your own party is exhibiting sexism as much as the media, no one is innocent. How did you like the virtual lack of diversity at the convention? This party is NOT DIVERSE!!!!
Just curious....I may not endorse anyone or party, but if someone READS  a speech SOMEONE ELSE  wrote can you call it THEIR SPEECH?  OR is it that a person is a GOOD READER?  


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