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Hey, Republicans have youth, too

Posted: Thursday, September 04, 2008 9:33 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC's Lauren Appelbaum
ST. PAUL, Minn. -- Sixteen-year-old Kayla Van Cleave is one youth who wouldn't be voting for Obama.

“Obama is always going to have more of the youth vote, because it's fun to be rebellious. They say, 'I'm going to run away from conservative mommy and daddy,'” Van Cleave, a Wisconsin native, said while attending convention speeches. "But some of us know it is better to not just go with what is fashionable.”

Van Cleave, who won't be old enough to vote in this election, is one of 43 young people aged 15 to 30 who are attending the Republican National Convention as part of the first GOP University and Youth Convention, which started last Friday and continues through the end of this week.

“You hear the other side talk about the youth vote,” Dana Culhane, 22, added. “Coming together like this shows the McCain campaign has as much or more than the Obama campaign does.”

The California state assembly staffer was quick to point out that 43 should not be considered a small number.

“This is just one option,” Culhane said. “When we had an evening with young Republicans, more than 200 people not with this group attended. This is just one facet of the youth movement at the convention.”

For students and young professionals, the GOP University offers an affordable way to attend the convention. While they are not guaranteed credentials for the evening sessions, the young Republicans participating in this program have morning training sessions such as a breakfast with Karl Rove and Fred Davis and a panel discussion with Newt Gingrich.

After Sarah Palin's speech, Van Cleave and 17-year-old Michigan native Nick Kowalski had differing opinions. While Van Cleave said she “fell in love with Sarah Palin,” Kowalski had reservations.

“I don't want to jump to conclusions,” Kowalski said. “I don't want to doubt his pick. I mean, I was floored when he picked a woman. But I was pulling for my homeboy Romney because he could have helped sway the Michigan swing voters.”

And for Culhane, 17-year-old Bristol's pregnancy makes Palin's candidacy better. “It makes her more human,” she explained. “The average American has to deal with this everyday. Just because you are a VP candidate doesn't mean you are immune. Would you rather have a candidate who is removed form the real world or would you rather have a candidate who knows what real life is and can identify with you?”

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Warms my heart to know the equivalent of the Hitler Youth is alive and well in today's GOP.  What crap!
We will be stuck in the 19th Century until the 22nd Century if we keep electing Republicans. People's mindset I think sometimes are still back pre-Civil War Days and the days of Cowboys & Indians, depending on where you live geographically. At least that's what the politicians sound like in the GOP.

Even though Sarah Palin wasn't vetted, this doesn't mean the media in this country needs the GOP's permission to do it themselves. $10 million raised for Obama in the meantime. 24 hours. Actually, less than 24 hours. McCain's loyalty is to his country? Not looking into who could possibly replace him in a moment's notice is not putting your country first. What he did was put the extreme right wing of his party first. That my friends is a sympton of what's going on in this country. No homework. Just like Iraq.

Sit back and think carefully about all the things we didn't like about the Bush Administration. Multiply it by 1,000. That's Sarah Palin. Please don't be fooled. Just because she's a female, this doesn't mean she isn't a right wing nut. She is. Her biggest cheerleaders are Rush Limbaugh & Sean Hannity.  This is frightening to the future of the United States. To quote my local newspaper today:

Compared to Palin, GWB, the finest 19th century mind ever to occupy the White House, is an unrestrained free thinker. While the world progresses uneasily into the 21st century, John McCain has proposed to lead America into a storybook past. Call it the Little House on the Arctic Prairie. Palin is a gun-toting, choice-denying, anti-tax, pro-oil candidate. She is a dream come true to these people. And the beauty of it all is that promoting her candidacy can be done in the name of feminism.

And Palin's version of feminism is perverted by ideological steroids...choice is an obscenity. And, we suspect, so is free will... all one needs to know about Palin is right there on the sketchy public record: she is a rightwing nut, but very serious in her nuttiness. That she's this close to such a position of power truly is frightening. McCain's choice of Palin is a concrete indication of what a dangerous president he would be.

So there you have it guys. Same as the last 8 years, only worse. Only this time, the face of the far right wing policies is disguised just a little differently. A female.  

Just like Clarence Thomas. An African American. A GOP African American.

Now the media is the target. Think about Dick Cheney and his handling of journalists. She's perfect for these SOB's. And now they are about to teach her about "foreign policy". Foreign policy according to them.

She connected last night? To whom? Big business, big oil, hypocritical religious nuts. Same old same old.

Ohhhh, isn't that cute...they managed to find maybe 200 young people who have been indoctrinated by mommy and daddy.

Bet they think differently when they realize there is a world out there beyond their isolated homeschooling.

How can you not feel sorry for these baby puppets?
what can you say to that... i guess i'm being a rebellious youth at 32...

Sometimes, it is best to engage your brain before engaging your mouth.
“Coming together like this shows the McCain campaign has as much or more than the Obama campaign does.”
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Ummmm, no. Not at all, Chickie Dee! You Republican children are so brainwashed that you can't see the forest for the trees. If you want a future, you better get on the Democratic bandwagon, because if McNasty and his Pitbull Barbie have their way, you might not get a chance to have one.

Those people are EVIL. And they plan to continue and expand the EVIL EMPIRE of Bush/Cheney.
Love when people as old as 30 are considered young people at the RNC.
No Kidding!
People of different ages and backgrounds support both candidates!  Media tend to report support for McCain among the over 60 crowd and support for Obama among the under 30 crowd as almost total.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  McCain gets at least 30% among younger people, and Obama gets at least 30% among the older people, depending on the particular poll.  
More important than identification based on age or background is how devastatingly conservative of a turn McCain decided to take by putting Gov. Palin on his ticket.  He could have made a play for moderates, but he decided to cow-tow to the radical right instead.
If he plans to surround himself with extremist conservatives like her, I don't see how he can tell the American people he isn't just more of the same with a straight face.
i've watched the republican national convention this week...and by the looks of the convention hall, the only young people i've seen has been palin and all her kids...the young people of america are not about OLD POLITICS with the same OLD people...OUT with the OLD and IN with the NEW...
These youths need to immediately show their support for John McBush and sign up for immediate deployment to George McCain's war of choice in Iraq.  We need these youth to protect us from the terrorists over there so they won't fight us over here.   HooooAhhhh!

Oh, and the average American doesn't have to deal with teen pregnancy everyday..It isn't cool and ok like the Palins and McCains want you to think it is.  Abstinence education didn't work in her home, it won't work in yours.  Who was supervising those kids?  I hope it isn't Republicans.
Ohhh do they???? Well isn't that nice. The problem is that the "youth" the Republicans have has been fed on the pabulum and drool that their Rethuglican parents spew everyday.

Of course they "hate", just like their parents. Kids are impressionable!

Obama has MUCH more Youth!
I have hope that, albeit slowly, the voting public is really starting to question John McCain's judgment and Sara Palin's qualifications -- who is Ms. Palin, really? She [w]as a typically radical member of the AIP (but she'll lie and say she wasn't). Quite frankly, if you read the platform for the AIP, many Americans might consider some of their views as "extremist at best, and borderline treasonous, at worst". Groups like the AIP are like the Ruby Ridge crowd on steroids. Let's see...then there's the ongoing cover-up of Troopergate, courtesy of Dick Cheney's MIB's, and probably the most egregious "ill" of all considering what is at stake for our nation; the Republicans have once again chosen to exploit the divisions among the American people along social lines, for pure political gain and to stay in power. Now matter how you wrap it up and a package it for sale, I hope the American people aren't buying it. It's Dusgusting! The Bush/McCain Republicans have been abject failures at governance, and are directly responsible for two lingering forgein wars, and a U.S. economy that is in the commode. At this moment in history, the Republicans do not deserve another chance at leadership. Sara Palin spoke in platitudes, delivering a speech more indicative of a bitter spurned woman's rant than a qualified and level headed VP's acceptance speech. The media has a duty to every citizen, and to the ethical standards of fair reporting, to ask the tough questions of Ms. Palin, and stay on her about it until you get truthful answers about her record! Please stop force-feeding your audience all this Republican pabulum and drool. The RNC paid talking heads are out there spinning like crazy -- it's scary to watch how desperate they are to make Sara Palin "likeable and palatable" to more Americans. The GOP will stop at nothing to make this right winger look something that approximates "mainstream". Just because she has 5 kids doesn't necessarily correlate with being "mainstream" on the issues that most Americans care deeply about -- like Choice, and Equality for all. I hear the news media touting what a wonderful job she did. Job? On what, On who? A "hit job" on Obama, was what she did. Besides her kids (again), she didn't present one valid argument supporting her qualifications for the second highest office in the land. She certainly didn't want to talk about policy. Why? Well it's too radical for most people, that’s why! Her radical dogma and distorted beliefs are well to the right of a vast majority of Americans -- Democrats, Republicans and Independents. Not the right choice for America "my friends".

There seems to be a hypothetical crack in the Earth's surface right around the X-Cell Energy Center in St. Paul -- and it's spewing sulfur gas at an alarming rate. America needs to wake up and smell that sulfur before we are all overwhelmed by the noxious fumes.

Obama/Biden 08!  
I can't believe MSNBC or any News Organization played the tribute to 9/11.  More over I can't believe that you put in on your website.  The fact that it suggeste that McCain is the "one" to go after these horrible people is insulting.  I am proud of Keither Olberman and ashamed of everyone else at MSNBC not apologizing.  That was the worst propeganda and MSNBC and all news organizations that showed it participated in the worst kind, fear.  And by doing so all you really did was re-inforce to terrorists that we fear them and fear controls us, which means they win!  How dare you!  How dare the Republica Party even think this was appropriate.  How dare anyone defend this!  MSNBC and all involved should be ashamed!
Republicans are scum. They showed 9/11 video as
part of theirpropaganda tonight. When is the
media going to call this what it is:

sickening, disgusting, the worst kind of fear-
mongering.

Patriotism is the last refuge to whcih a
scoundrel clings.
...........have morning training sessions such as a breakfast with Karl Rove and Fred Davis.....

WOW, what has happened to America when young people are so broke they have to resort to this for a free meal? 43 is not a small number
As a Canadian who's forgotten more about hockey than either Sarah Palin or Cindy McCain will ever know, please knock off the hockey references will you? It doesn't exist as a vehicle to promote your extremist platform.
I guess if my "mommy and daddy" paid for everything for me too, I wouldn't run from them either.
As a woman, I am concerned about Palin's 5 children including 1 baby and 1 toddler.

If there is an emergency in the country and one of her children is really sick--how will she ever concentrate in what she has to do for the country?

As a mother, I know that a true mother can't disconnect from a sick child...and not disconnecting can mean leaving the country unprotected.
Obama spent more in August what McCain has spent in total!

Polls show they are tied with each other.

Keep sending money Obama nuts. Hope you enjoy eating macandcheese.


Kraft Foods (Sent Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:57 PM)
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I will gladly eat mac and cheese just to watch you eat crow on Novenber 5th. mmmmmmmmm...victory for the american people. Delicious!

“Obama is always going to have more of the youth vote, because it's fun to be rebellious. They say, 'I'm going to run away from conservative mommy and daddy,'”
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I beg to differ.

I am in full agreement with my consevative mother and father. They voted for Both Bushes all 4 of their elections, but they will vote side by side with me for Obama this time.

Idaho is changing, my friends. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
this is an example of why you must be 18 to vote
Well, Van Cleave won't be voting for McCain either.  I see this is mentioned later.  As far as pregnancies - it really doesn't do much for me.  See far too much of teenagers having multiple births before they are 18.
It would be interesting to know if she would say the same about Jamie Spears.

I can assure you that the Obama's and Biden's are not removed from the world around us.
I'm glad Palin illegally disclosed troop deployment information to push her political agenda rather than supporting the war which is ironically part of her parties agenda.  Very interesting that Beau Biden didn't make this same mistake.  Perhaps he's more qualified.
http://voteforamerica.net/editorials/Comments.aspx?ArticleId=44&ArticleName=Qualifications+of+a+President
Yeah, another extreme politician was popular among young too a long time ago.  I believe they were known as the "Hitler Youth".

Obama/Biden '08!
Did you guys see this yet? I hadn't seen it reported anywhere yet.

Opinion
Palin: wrong woman, wrong message
Sarah Palin shares nothing but a chromosome with Hillary Clinton. She is Phyllis Schlafly, only younger.
By Gloria Steinem

September 4, 2008

Here's the good news: Women have become so politically powerful that even the anti-feminist right wing -- the folks with a headlock on the Republican Party -- are trying to appease the gender gap with a first-ever female vice president. We owe this to women -- and to many men too -- who have picketed, gone on hunger strikes or confronted violence at the polls so women can vote. We owe it to Shirley Chisholm, who first took the "white-male-only" sign off the White House, and to Hillary Rodham Clinton, who hung in there through ridicule and misogyny to win 18 million votes.

But here is even better news: It won't work. This isn't the first time a boss has picked an unqualified woman just because she agrees with him and opposes everything most other women want and need. Feminism has never been about getting a job for one woman. It's about making life more fair for women everywhere. It's not about a piece of the existing pie; there are too many of us for that. It's about baking a new pie.

Selecting Sarah Palin, who was touted all summer by Rush Limbaugh, is no way to attract most women, including die-hard Clinton supporters. Palin shares nothing but a chromosome with Clinton. Her down-home, divisive and deceptive speech did nothing to cosmeticize a Republican convention that has more than twice as many male delegates as female, a presidential candidate who is owned and operated by the right wing and a platform that opposes pretty much everything Clinton's candidacy stood for -- and that Barack Obama's still does. To vote in protest for McCain/Palin would be like saying, "Somebody stole my shoes, so I'll amputate my legs."

This is not to beat up on Palin. I defend her right to be wrong, even on issues that matter most to me. I regret that people say she can't do the job because she has children in need of care, especially if they wouldn't say the same about a father. I get no pleasure from imagining her in the spotlight on national and foreign policy issues about which she has zero background, with one month to learn to compete with Sen. Joe Biden's 37 years' experience.

Palin has been honest about what she doesn't know. When asked last month about the vice presidency, she said, "I still can't answer that question until someone answers for me: What is it exactly that the VP does every day?" When asked about Iraq, she said, "I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq."

She was elected governor largely because the incumbent was unpopular, and she's won over Alaskans mostly by using unprecedented oil wealth to give a $1,200 rebate to every resident. Now she is being praised by McCain's campaign as a tax cutter, despite the fact that Alaska has no state income or sales tax. Perhaps McCain has opposed affirmative action for so long that he doesn't know it's about inviting more people to meet standards, not lowering them. Or perhaps McCain is following the Bush administration habit, as in the Justice Department, of putting a job candidate's views on "God, guns and gays" ahead of competence. The difference is that McCain is filling a job one 72-year-old heartbeat away from the presidency.

So let's be clear: The culprit is John McCain. He may have chosen Palin out of change-envy, or a belief that women can't tell the difference between form and content, but the main motive was to please right-wing ideologues; the same ones who nixed anyone who is now or ever has been a supporter of reproductive freedom. If that were not the case, McCain could have chosen a woman who knows what a vice president does and who has thought about Iraq; someone like Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison or Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine. McCain could have taken a baby step away from right-wing patriarchs who determine his actions, right down to opposing the Violence Against Women Act.

Palin's value to those patriarchs is clear: She opposes just about every issue that women support by a majority or plurality. She believes that creationism should be taught in public schools but disbelieves global warming; she opposes gun control but supports government control of women's wombs; she opposes stem cell research but approves "abstinence-only" programs, which increase unwanted births, sexually transmitted diseases and abortions; she tried to use taxpayers' millions for a state program to shoot wolves from the air but didn't spend enough money to fix a state school system with the lowest high-school graduation rate in the nation; she runs with a candidate who opposes the Fair Pay Act but supports $500 million in subsidies for a natural gas pipeline across Alaska; she supports drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Reserve, though even McCain has opted for the lesser evil of offshore drilling. She is Phyllis Schlafly, only younger.

I don't doubt her sincerity. As a lifetime member of the National Rifle Assn., she doesn't just support killing animals from helicopters, she does it herself. She doesn't just talk about increasing the use of fossil fuels but puts a coal-burning power plant in her own small town. She doesn't just echo McCain's pledge to criminalize abortion by overturning Roe vs. Wade, she says that if one of her daughters were impregnated by rape or incest, she should bear the child. She not only opposes reproductive freedom as a human right but implies that it dictates abortion, without saying that it also protects the right to have a child.

So far, the major new McCain supporter that Palin has attracted is James Dobson of Focus on the Family. Of course, for Dobson, "women are merely waiting for their husbands to assume leadership," so he may be voting for Palin's husband.

Being a hope-a-holic, however, I can see two long-term bipartisan gains from this contest.

Republicans may learn they can't appeal to right-wing patriarchs and most women at the same time. A loss in November could cause the centrist majority of Republicans to take back their party, which was the first to support the Equal Rights Amendment and should be the last to want to invite government into the wombs of women.

And American women, who suffer more because of having two full-time jobs than from any other single injustice, finally have support on a national stage from male leaders who know that women can't be equal outside the home until men are equal in it. Barack Obama and Joe Biden are campaigning on their belief that men should be, can be and want to be at home for their children.

This could be huge.

Gloria Steinem is an author, feminist organizer and co-founder of the Women's Media Center. She supported Hillary Clinton and is now supporting Barack Obama.
Glassy, lazy eyes and a sluggishness as she speaks.  
Please,for any  watching Cindy Mc's speech as I am right now, is it me or is she high as the proverbial  kite , help me out,am I right or wrong?


Obama/Biden '08
I am so sick of the sexist comments from the media and the Republican Party. Some seem to think that women are shallow and don't have their own views or brains to make up our own mind? Do these people really think that we will vote for Palin just because of her gender? I wasn't a Hillary Clinton supporter because she was female...I was a supporter because she was Hillary and agreed in her beliefs. Gender had no role in that decision and I am deeply offended by MSNBC's comment tonight stating that undecided women will vote for Palin because she is a woman? Please!!! I do have a strong opinion and my own mind. My choice is for change and Obama is the one to bring us that change.


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