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Obama: 'American people aren't stupid'

Posted: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:41 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC/NJ’s Carrie Dann
FLINT, Mich. -- Fighting back against McCain and Palin’s effort to paint themselves as mavericks rolling up their sleeves for a Washington housecleaning, Obama today charged Palin with flip-flopping on her opposition to Alaska’s infamous “Bridge to Nowhere” project.
 
“Let’s get the facts clear here,” Obama said, noting the McCain campaign’s new ad that showcases Palin’s opposition to the pilloried pork project. “When she was mayor, she hired a Washington lobbyist to get earmarks -- pork barrel spending.”
 
“When it came to the Bridge to Nowhere,” Obama continued, alluding to the refrain of flip-flopping so effectively used against John Kerry in 2004, “she was for it until everybody started raising a fuss about it and she started running for governor and then suddenly she was against it!”
 
And in some of his strongest language yet, Obama suggested that, in its new ad, the McCain-Palin ticket was simply trying to “make stuff up.” 
 
“You can’t just recreate yourself,” said the Democratic nominee. “You can’t just reinvent yourself. The American people aren’t stupid.”
 
Facing a GOP ticket newly invigorated by McCain’s surprise pick of outsider Palin, Obama accused the McCain-Palin ticket today of trying to “repackage” itself and falsely co-opt his own message of change. The Democratic nominee wondered aloud how George Bush’s would-be successor can champion change “with a straight face” and referred to the GOP ticket as the “No Change Express.”
 
Obama blamed the economic troubles by Americans like those in troubled Flint, Michigan -- where unemployment is nearly twice the national average -- on failed economic policies that were sponsored by the Bush administration and would be, Obama says, continued by McCain.
 
“You can’t be for change when it’s your party that for the last eight years has ignored the fact that wages and incomes for the middle class have gone flat since George Bush took office,” he told a cheering crowd of over 300 at Mott Community College in Flint.
 
In an e-mail response, the McCain campaign hit back, citing Obama's most-liberal-Senator ranking by the National Journal as evidence of his partisan inability to negotiate real change. "If he thinks that voters are going to believe his rhetoric on the campaign trail in the absence of any bipartisan record," wrote McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds, "he's clearly underestimating the intelligence of the American people." 

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Obama: "American people aren't stupid"

No Barack. We're just bitter, right?

McCain/08
Keeping hitting back O!
You tell them Barack! By selecting Palin as his running mate, John McCain has joined the ranks of Bush, Cheney, and Rove. Bush has been a disaster for our country and McCain would be the same. No way, no how, no McCain, no Palin.
Senator Obama is right but unfortunately most Americans are too busy to ferret out the facts.  We used to rely on the media for that--seems now the MSM is so intimidated by McCain they'll only repeat his talking points.  
Barack, was the Bridge to Nowhere built? No? So what exactly are you ranting about?

The man is starting to lose his mind.
Hmmm and didn't Barky try to get millions in earmarks for his pet projects one of which was the hospital where ole Michelle works. And isnt Slo Jo in the pockets of a all the credit card companies in Delaware and uh oh his son seems to be a lobbyist for the very same people. Gee Barry whosthe hypocrite now. Seems words do matter.
The man is obviously starting to panic. To crack under the pressure.
Wish he was right, the polls would suggest otherwise.  

However, if McCain thinks he can win Washington and Oregon, he is dreaming.  They have nothing in common with Alaska and are usually heavily democrat. Lived in both states, he is wasting his time and money.

So how about that Palin gaffe???  Still waiting for you to report on it.  It is after all the economy STUPID.
As long as the gutless media is afraid to call a lie a lie she'll keep saying it.  I've quit watching TV b/c it seems like it's become nothing more than an infomercial for Palin/McCain.  If she won't answer questions why don't you just quit covering her???  Ever heard of leverage???
"If he thinks that voters are going to believe his rhetoric on the campaign trail in the absence of any bipartisan record," wrote McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds, "he's clearly underestimating the intelligence of the American people."

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Tucker Bounds doesn't get it.  The economy is in the hopper and voters don't care who the President works with so long as there are solutions.  Will the GOP ever address the economy?
Also, note McCain's non denial...its the same as admitting he lied.
The only change that the McCain camp has is a chnage of mind.  Tehy were first against the tax cuts for the rich but now they're for them Palin was first for the bridge and all ear mars for Alaska, but now she's against them.  Give me a break.  And give them a brake.
But Tucker...Obama is correct!  How can you say you are a change agent and your party has been in power for the last 8yrs?   How can you say you are a change agent and you voted with George Bush over 90% of the time and 100% so far in 2008?

That's not change...that's George Bush III
"American people aren't stupid." - Obama

He'd have to say that if he wants any votes at all.
I think it's the McCain campaign that is underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  I would hope that after the last eight years people would not automatically believe everything that comes out of the McCain campaign because it is the same as before and that is not change.  Keep hitting back Senator Obama, with these two you have to hit back forcefully and often.  
Good - but it's time to be down right ruthless and hit them harder.

The Repukes does nothing but tell lies, just to get votes and then they will stab the American people even deeper if they are elected.

We simply can not allow that to happen again.

Thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA

It's not an accusation ...she did flip flop and she took the money for it!!! She didn't even send the money back after she told them "Thanks but no Thanks" she kept it!

Now it is our time to say "Thanks but no Thanks" to Ms. Palin
Sadly, the American people are, in fact, stupid. How else could you explain eight years of Bush. McSame-Failin are even more dangerous because they are all about guns, war and intolerance. (What's the difference between George Bush and Sarah Palin? Lipstick!)

Save the world: Go to www.BarackObama.com and donate all you are able to give.
BHO: “You can’t just recreate yourself,” said the Democratic nominee. “You can’t just reinvent yourself. The American people aren’t stupid.”

Obama was for taxes on the rich, now he's hedging. Obama was for unregulated abortions, now he's rethinking that position. Obama said the Surge didn't work, now he said it did work. Obama was against domestic drilling, now he's for it.

Yes Barack, you can't reinvent yourself and Americans are not stupid. That's why they're voting for Senator McCain.
It is so funny how every four years, no matter who the Democratic nominee is, the Reactionaries decide that he is THE MOST LIBERAL EVER!  Of course they use the results of a Conservative publication, that changes its criteria depending on who is running.

I think the Republican party slaps every American in the face when they campaign in such a disrespectful manner.  In effect saying you people are morons and will never be able to figure out what we are up to.
Republican response:  What?  No refute on Palin's record?  Please explain republicans, how is it she was for it before she was against it?

Just more talk about Obama and they (Republicans) are underestimating the American people.  
WOW, so we finally get a report on a Sen. Obama's rally!  No lies, just fact- imagine that!

OBAMA/BIDEN, 2008!
There's that "I'm the smartest guy in the room" attitude that Obama seems to carry with himself where ever he goes. Obama, I used to think you had potental, but I haven't a clue what your positions on anything are, they keep changing daily.
"American people aren't stupid".  Stupid is as stupid does....and if the voters trust that the McBush/Lipsticker Team can deliver them from the pits that McBush helped sink us all into....God help us all!
"If he thinks that voters are going to believe his rhetoric on the campaign trail in the absence of any bipartisan record," wrote McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds, "he's clearly underestimating the intelligence of the American people."  
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Why can't you pointout that Tucker Bounds is LYING. Obama has worked with Republicans in the Illinois Senate and in the US Senate, where he and Republican Richard Luger were the main sponsors of a bill to control the spread of nuclear weapons materials.

It's almost like your motto is: "We parrot everything that's said and the public is on their own to figure out who's lying."

And you made such a BIG deal of Obama's campaign's "distortion" in attacking McCain for his connection to the sale of a company in Ohio to foreigners who eliminated the local jobs in the community. (Maybe they could use a community organizer about now).

It's about time they're attacking her.  After that speech she gave at the RNC, as far as I'm concerned the gloves are off.  She can't call herself a pit-bull with lipstick then hide behind "sexism" when people legitimately question her background, especially after they accused Obama of playing the "race card".  They should hit her with everything they have on her (Troopergate, earmarks, ties to a group that wants to seceed from the US).  If she wants to stomp like a pit-bull, she'd better get in the cage.

Obama/Biden '08!
They are if they are voting for him !

Dems for McCain
I'm sorry but I disagree with Senator Obama.  

For the McCain supporters to want to vote for him because of his VP who is NOT vetted is stupid.

Perhaps McCain's short term memory has failed:
Republicans in power(Bush and McCain) have the largest government growth in history and largest deficit in history.
Their excellent oversite of the mortgage industry  and now the bailout of Fannie and Freddie has put us in hole we may never get out. So..who cares?
Change is coming, change is coming, change is coming!
Palin was just secret weapon #1.
Bill O'Reilly got Obama to admit the SURGE in Iraq IS WORKING. The surge was McCain's idea. Another time Obama has shot himself (and his campaign)in the foot.
What is Tucker talking about?  Did he skip a line on the talking points memo?  We're talking about earmarks right now Tucker, not record of working across the aisle.  Now the McCain campaign will be thrown off track for the rest of the day.

It seems that Governor Palin was for the project until she realized that, number one, it was no longer politically useful and, number two, that Alaska may have to put more money into the project than originally projected.  Talk about being dependent on the Fed.  As far as I know Governor Palin has no history of working across the aisle; she was the Republican governor working with a mostly Republican legislature.  Obama has a record of working across the aisle in both the Illinois State Senate and the US Senate.
Why is the most common rebuttal from the McCain campaign, "I know you are but what am I?"

Completely juvenile, completely distracting...
Well, Obama is right about ONE thing. The American people are not stupid. They will NOT vote for an unqualified person for President. Obama is neither qualified or electable. Despite 24/7 promotion on the Obama network, MSNBC, Obama is sinking in the polls. LOL! The Dems have foolishly nominated the wrong candidate(s).

Hillary Clinton should be the nominee. Hillary won the popular vote, winning MORE votes than ANY candidate of ANY party in history and she's NOT on the ticket??? Way to blow 2008 Democrats.

THIS Democrat, THIS Hillary supporter will be supporting McCain in 08 and Hillary 2012.

Country first, party second.

The DNC, the media (YES, that's YOU MSNBC) and Obama must be held accountable for the rampant sexism, classism, racism, voter disenfranchisement and subversion of democracy in this 2008 campaign debacle.
To vote for Obama is to condone what has been done. DON'T do it.

At least the RNC and McCain-Palin had the smarts to acknowledge Hillary Clinton, her supporters (more than 18 MILLION of us) and Geraldine Ferraro. The DNC was too stupid to do so. Paybacks are hell, but necessary!!!

"No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her sex"  Susan B. Anthony

P.S.  Good riddance Chrissy and Keithy, too of the most vile fatheads on TV. Take Davey Shuster and Rachel Maddow, Contessa (is she royalty?) Andrea Mitchell, etc with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are ALL hacks for Obama. It's a JOKE. Journalism died on NBC and MSNBC in 2007-2008. Rot in hell.
Wow, the McCain campaign comeback completely ignored the  'accusation' of 'making stuff up' and instead talked about his record (inaccurately) on bipartisanship. Well, let's not be stupid so we're officially moving this 'accusation' to fact...

Anyone BUT McCain-Palin!

Obama, you're looking better each day.

Mr.Independent
bipartisan record isn't what is important here.

what is important is policy, policy, policy.

McCain has none, and Obama has outlined the entire platform, and given examples of how to get it done.

it isn't socialism, it isn't communism, it isn't far left rhetoric, it is a proven theory at small scales that he wishes to enlarge to the national scale, and it is far better than the republican's visible tax cuts with invisible tax increases (McCain wants to tax health, retirement, and other pre-tax exemptions from your paycheck), echoing GWBush's energy plan from 2000 and 2004 (yeah, where is the alternative energy now GW?) and continue warmongering until he can draft the army he needs.

Keep fighting back the way you are Barack, everyone i know personally is behind you 100% (except my somewhat racist father), and i come from a long line of Republicans.

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If the American people aren't stupid, how did Bush get elected twice?
It's actually getting easier to refute Obama's lies. He's turned into a walking, talking contradiction.
I've read these updates all day.  I just want to know if you are being truly fair.  On all the ones praising "McCain/Pailin" for their attacks on Obama you didn't put anything at the end about what the Obama campaign said in response.  Then when you fineally put a post about "Obama" hitting McCain you feel obligated to put the McCain response at the end.  Are you trying to go Right Wing to make up for what some see as Oblerman and Matthews leanings during the convention?   MSNBC will soon be loosing me as a viewer if the obvious "LIES" are not fact checked before reporting them as true.  
tucker bounds not an adequate response. bipartisan record with Obama is documented. He can list the bills he co-sponsored with republicans. yet the response to Obama stating facts of McCain's lies is Bounds stating more lies. Now that is underestimating the intelligence of the american people. Keep swinging Obama. Keep swinging.
Actually, Americans are kinda stupid. How else to explain voters getting energized by McCain's pick of an under-educated, under-qualified, divisive VP like Sarah Palin? It's incomprehensible, except to say these supporters are stupid. The same stupid people who gave us the worst President in U.S.history.
People stupid.  Elect Bush two time.  Want to vote for pretty woman and old man looks like daddy.
The McCain campaign has been making stuff up the entire time.  This campaign lies repeatedly on the stump and in their ads.  The media continues to let them get away with it!  Saying that McCain/Palin made a gaffe one or two times, while replaying what they've sid ten times does not cut it.
 Calling Obama Liberal does not mitigate the fact that the American people ARE NOT STUPID. We can get the facts and we will no matter how long the Republicans attempt to run out the clock by sequestering Sarah Palin. Once the true vetting is done, the choice will be very clear. John Sydney McCain III just started touting change and reform after seeing how closely he is linked to the 8 years of failed Bush policy. That failure will continue if he is elected.

 McSame/Failin is NOT the best choice for America

 Obama/Biden IS.
Just wait for the debate. Obama will win over McCain, McCain's brain is too slow for debating, he could barely get through his own scripted acceptance speech. And as for Palin vs. Biden, there's no way you can cram, study, and memorize to be prepared against Biden. Take your convention bump (and your borrowed change mantra) McCain, but don't hold your breath.
I have a question regarding the bridge to no where..Palin says she said no thanks.  I understand the earmark money was kept by Alaska and now a road to the non existent bridge is being built with the money.  Is this correct?
"make stuff up" = LIE, LIE, LIE!

Sen. Obama is a gentleman, but his supporters can translate what he's not comfortable in saying... McSame and "Potty Mouth Palin" are LIARS, CHEATS, and HYPOCRITS.

WAKE UP EVERYBODY!!!

OBAMA/BIDEN, 2008!
And most Americans don't hate women like you and the rest of your inside the beltway liberal friends Barack.
After that terrific CNN Campbell Brown interview Tucker Bounds is still camp McCain??? LOL When pressed he simply couldn't cite relevant experience for Palin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxMCp1vydEI
Should we just assume that mis-statements are standard?  Let's start with what conservative actually means...not spending more than you have? (5.7 to 10.8 trillion deficit as of 1-20-09)...protecting American rights and freedoms? (bugging telephones,strip searches); changing the constitution to remove basic female reproductive rights?, protecting peoples's retirement? (NASDAQ drops from 2700 to 2350 during Bush's term), so if we can't even agree on what the "labels" actually mean, how are we supposed to agree on what "change" means? At least Obama is basically an honest person, more than can be said of the GOP candidates in the race............


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