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Activists crash GOP drill party

Posted: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:59 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC's Mike Viqueira
House Republican advocates of expanded off-shore drilling got together with enviros yesterday in a wholly unintentional and inadvertent sampling of each other's best energy talking points on the Capitol's west front.

GOP leaders gathered outside on the steps to tout their concluded protest on the House floor, where they led a month-long rump session before tourists and staffers to highlight their desire for a vote on more drilling.

In case you missed it, they had gone forward with their revolt even as the party conventions played out in Denver and St. Paul.

But yesterday they may not have counted on the presence of about three dozen anti-drilling protesters, who led chants at a volume adequate to compete with the oratory being delivered by the Republicans, despite the latter's use of a public address system.

So as Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, for example, vied to compete with the background noise, one could only hear brief phrases.

"The Democrat Congress went on vacation!" bubbled up through the noise, only to become part of a piece with, "Save our shores!" shouted by the protesters.

The slogan last heard chanted on the floor in St. Paul, "Drill baby drill!" reprised by Rep. Marsha Blackburn, was delivered in tandem with cries of, "People over profits!" from the other side of the cameras.

"The cost of energy is costing American jobs!" declared Rep. Mike Pence, as the protesters launched into, "No more oil, the earth is going to boil!"

At some points the competing rhetoric wound together so tightly that it sounded almost as if they had rehearsed it. The effect was like an insane round of Row, Row, Row, Your Boat performed by Will.i.am. Or something.

The House returned for one last session, expected to last three weeks. Drilling will be a major point of debate, but nothing is expected to make it into law by the end of the month. A big fight is looming then when Democrats are likely to extend the off-shore drilling moratorium.

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I say squeeze the Republicans, give them a heaping dose of their own meds,until their heads explode.  They've millions of acres of leases they can drill their happy a$$e$ on, yet all they can muster is this puff cheeked rhetoric on "drill baby drill" on more acres that are out of their reach.
It's hilarious to see all these Republicans getting so excited about an energy plan which will save us about $0.02/gal in 10 years.

The "drill baby drill" crowd is a bunch of simpletons who cannot comprehend the perils of our remaining dependent upon a finite resource.
http://twocanpete.blogspot.com/
Let's take the Oil Check that the Alasakans' are scamming from the rest of us and use it to lower gas prices. Then we can really talk about more drilling.
renewable, not fossil fuels is the future.  

Bio-Diesel from Switchgrass and trash along with wind, hydro, and solar (and limited nuclear with better disposal) will lead the way.  

Our constant procrasinating will cost us greater later.
Drill here drill now will do nothing NOTHING to solve the energy crisis.  We just don't have a miraculous supply of untapped oil yet to be drilled.

When the GOP will get off of their Exxon payroll and actually work with the Dems to pass a sensible energy policy which gets us off oil, we will all be better off.

I'm waiting.
Alaskanomics

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1839724,00.html

3/4 of the value of a barrel of oil is taken in taxes by Alaska.  Any comment, Governor Palin?

*crickets*

Oh, that's right, it's sexist to ask questions.
We put a man on the moon almost 40 years ago, but Democrats believe that we can't drill safely in the 21th century. Let's just let Cuba and China drill of our coasts and see the quality of their work. Try to put those countries on trial after they polute our shoreline. Ya right, we can count on those countries taking care of the environment.
Shill Baby Shill!
And that is why I love our democracy. If we lived in a world where people just sat back and let their governments run the country without checks and balances and without the right to be heard, only one side would have been heard - doesn't matter which - it wouldn't be enough to make an honest judgement.
It's been proven that drilling here and drilling now is meaningless pandering that we are being fed.  It won't effect anything for up to 12 years.  

American being fed more lies and apparently happy to partake and put Bush/Cheney policies in office for 4 more years.

Honestly anyone who votes for McCain/Palin are dolts.
The Republicans had SIX YEARS of complete control of the government, White House, Congress and Supreme Court

WHAT DID THEY DO ?

Why didn't THEY SOLVE our energy problems ??
Were they too busy helping Halliburton ?
Were they too busy lying about WMDs ?
WHAT did the Republicans do about energy ?

We're LIVING with the Republican Energy policy !!
THIS IS the Republican Energy policy !!


Sorry, the answer to our energy needs ISN'T in the hands of BIG OIL !

Let's have alternative energy sources, energy conservation and MASS TRANSIT !!


Obama / Biden '08
It's Time to FIGHT BACK !
What the Republicans are fighting for is a shameless giveaway of drilling rights to the oil companies.  It is not about making America energy dependant.  It is about re-paying favors and making cheap political points.
Ignorance is doing the same thing, the same way, and expecting a different result!

We need to change our ways...  The clock's ticking...

Palin?  Rush Limbaugh with lipstick wearing heels...
Wouldn't setting up more drilling rigs create more jobs since someone has to build them and operate them?

Also, if we currently have hundreds of oil rigs in the Gulf and not one drop of oil was spilled with the last hurricane, why can't be do the same on the other side of Florida or up in Alaska and still not spill anything.

Environmentalist are their own worst enemy, they complain that we don't produce our own oil (creating jobs) and complain that they dont' have a job, and complain that they pay $5/gallon for gas....

Honestly people, think about the whole picture, not just the "save the whales" portion, as we can save the whales and drill for oil at the same time!
Pelosi said she'd schedule a vote on drilling. Has she done so yet?
You never see protestors bother the Democrats. Republicans and conservatives don't have time to protest, they all have jobs.
Chanting is a great way to get your point across. You know, like saying "Hope", "Change" and McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time" over and over again. Then when you're done, you all go and drink koolaide.
"The cost of energy is costing American jobs!" declared Rep. Mike Pence
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Disgusting.

More drilling means that there will be absolutely no incentive to build new industries for alternative energy sources.  New jobs will come from these new technologies.  We just have to break through the stranglehold that Big Oil has on us.

"Drill, Baby Drill!" is meant to whip people into a frenzy, without allowing them to stop to think of the long-term consequences.  Par for the course with the GOP- they know they have a problem when enough Americans actually THINK about what's happening to our nation.    
Hold the line Dems. They have been trying to get that oil for eight years. It for their own profit. Not American gain.
Immediate gratification is what McBlinky is hawking and it's a deception.  I congratulate the protesters. We owe a better world to future generations.  Challenge authority...challenge the status quo.  Vote Obama/Biden for change.  McBlinky and moose girl offer two different faces on the same old politics that favor the rich and appeal to the uninformed.
I'm thinking that "drill here drill now" is just what the Saudis, the Russians, the Irainians want to here from us about now.  They want to know that we are not about to cut back or make serious changes that would negatively affect their finacial outlook.

How about McCain/Palin for president of OPEC?

Suburb Mom dazed and Confused: More drilling means that there will be absolutely no incentive to build new industries for alternative energy sources.

Fine. Then please give us a call when you're down by the river pounding your kids cloths on a rock to get them clean just because you don't want fuel to power your fancy washing machine. And seeing you're in the  suburbs, let us know how that 8 mile hike to mall goes everytime you need food for your little ones. Then let us know how those incentives of yours are going.
Actually Mccain/ Bush/Cheney/Republicans want to give
their adored big oil companies all the perks, opportunities and raping of the American people
they can as they know when Obama/Biden get in
office these criminal acts will stop.
So Ken Fix,

We put a person on the moon 40 years ago, why can't we reduce our need for most or all oil in 10 years?

Would you like me to answer that for you? Laziness and greed.

Thinking people understand that if America leads the world in developing sustainable energy sources, America will be the most envied and powerful country in the world, bar none.
Greg L. Jackson Hole....maybe you should think (for once perhaps) about your statement and how elitist you sound.  Kind of like Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette that's you.  And if you don't remember there were protests going on in Denver, too.  God Bless America and our right to protest...no matter what some stupid republicans (with jobs) think of it.
I don't want to be cynical, but we are a short-sighted society. Maybe all societies are. We want instant -- who cares the future consequences. Especially if we think the future is so distant we'll never to see it. Virtually all respected scientists think the effect of burning gas/oil on our ecosystem is already showing up. We think if we "drill now" we'll get instant relief from the pain of high gas prices. It may give a tiny bit of relief in 10 years. By then we could be well on the way to entirely new energy sources.

Spearheading new energy creation, if we step it up soon, gives us the edge in an inevitably booming new industry, it'll lower energy prices, create jobs and..., heck...  huge ice shelves in Canada may stop melting and falling into the sea affecting sea-levels (& much else), hurricanes may stop growing increasingly dangerous (respected new British scientific study finds). I'd go on but the info is out there -- and few people seem to care much. Thankfully, our wallets and fear of foreign-oil vulnerability might just push us in the right direction. Some of the smartest minds in science have been trying to convince us for 30++ years. Imagine if there'd been a real effort to make it happen back then. "The future" gets a lot of air-time in political speeches, especially when mentioned with "the children", but we just don't believe it enough to put our money where our mouths are. Do we have to see slowly rising waters overtaking Florida condos? Glad to see a few citizens are still thinking about it in light of the election. Palin, btw, is on record saying she doesn't believe all the environmental shifts are human-created -- though all legitimate scientists agree they are. Hmmm.
Those who want more drilling, kept talking about more drilling and those who don't, kept right on talking about destruction but, neither side is LISTENING to each other and the importance that they speak so passionately about is lost in rhetoric.  There must be a compromise but, nothing will happen with drilling because no one is listening and willing to work together, at least that's what I hope for (yes, people that's our saving grace).  This is OUR America, congratulations to us!!  
At a certain level, I think that the situation we find ourselves in with politics and rhetoric is just what we deserve.  We enjoy the "gotcha" moment because we know politicians aren't saints (because we aren't either)as they position themselves as. We like to put people in boxes; it's easier and less time consumming, and judging actions in black and white terms allows us to simplify our judgement of others.  We no longer trust politicians (for good reason), so we end up with style and personality driven campaigns with elected officials who consistantly disappoint us because they aren't truthful because we don't want nuance, we want a simple; easy on the ears, answer to important issues.  "We'll be greeted as liberators", "We need to attack them there so that their not attacking us here", mushroom clouds, and promises of a growing economy through tax breaks.  Now it's, change we can believe in, government shouldn't stand in front of you but along side you, maverick, reformer, tax increase, corroption in government, moose hunting, and ebay!  
With your vote, you decide what kind of america ALL of US should live in.  Take the time to figure it out, your vote means something to me.
Manny Perez:

You are wrong if you think that drilling will give us immediate relief at the gas pump.  It will not.  The American people are being lied to.  Again.

Don't presume to know what I and my family do reduce our consumption.  We do quite a bit.  What EXACTLY do you do, except demand more oil?    
All oil being produced here in this country is going to the highest bidder. All oil produced by drill drill drill will be sold to the highest bidder. It does not and will not belong to us. It does belong to the oil companies doing the drilling. They are pocketing the profits and if you think that will reduced the price of gas you are really misinformed.
Do not believe the lies told you by the Republicans who are in bed with big oil. We wont see enough oil from drill drill drill to fix a squeaky door.
Also, if we currently have hundreds of oil rigs in the Gulf and not one drop of oil was spilled with the last hurricane, why can't be do the same on the other side of Florida or up in Alaska and still not spill anything.

Environmentalist are their own worst enemy, they complain that we don't produce our own oil (creating jobs) and complain that they dont' have a job, and complain that they pay $5/gallon for gas....

Honestly people, think about the whole picture, not just the "save the whales" portion, as we can save the whales and drill for oil at the same time!
-John from MI

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John;
Actually, a lot of oil was spilled during the Katrina hurricane.  Please read- http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9365607/

Plenty of jobs could be created through the development of biofuels, solar, etc.  Putting our shores at risk could be a devastating gamble...imagine if the Florida shore suffered a major spill and how that would effect the economy, morale, and the environment.  And for what?  A 2cent discount at the pump over 10 years?

Obama/Biden
Here we go on this drilling stuff- listen to all those who still have not gotten the memo- drilling will not- I repeat will not alleviate anything for anyone any sooner than 7-10 years from now!!
- We do not currently have the number of refineries that could sustain more oil production here- so you would have to allocate billions to make those.
- We do not currently know where the oil is- so we would have to drill to find it...its not like they know where it is but just can't get to it...lol So who knows how long that would take!
-By the time oil was found- not knowing how much could even be obtained once found, our oil prices would increase to exorbatant amounts to where you would not notice the difference!

Environment aside, politics aside... the whole drill baby drill thing is non-sense. Even big oil companies are investing in alternative energies at this point. Oil is no longer the way to go. Auto manufacturers are creating hybrid and electric vehicles... the fact is by the time we drilled, actually found, and refined the oil- and then competed with international markets to buy back our own oil- which yes we would have to do... being that we are a global economy- we could have created an entirely different energy policy not dependent on foreign or domestic oil.
Lets not get caught up in this rediculousness when more important things are going on!
I went to Turkey for a vacation and do you know what I saw? Solar panels on top of every building. If Turkey can do it why can't we?

Maybe it's because Turkey isn't governed by a bunch of oil men.

If McCain wants to drill... let's drill outside his 7 homes.
We put a man on the moon almost 40 years ago, but Democrats believe that we can't drill safely in the 21th century. Let's just let Cuba and China drill of our coasts and see the quality of their work. Try to put those countries on trial after they polute our shoreline. Ya right, we can count on those countries taking care of the environment.
Ken Fix (Sent Tuesday, September 09, 2008 1:18 PM)

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We put a man on the moon 40 YEARS AGO, and your saying the best we can do is more of the same with more oil. What's your plan for when the oil's gone. We put a man on the moon 40 YEARS AGO, and you want to keep using a finite, fought over, harmful, dangerous resource, instead of developing alternatives? We put a man on the moon 40 YEARS AGO!
If we put forth a similar national effort towards alternative energies, we could be weaned off of oil, before we got one drop from new drilling. Remember, We put a man on the moon 40 YEARS AGO, with a tin can duct-taped to a missle, controlled by a computer similar in resources and processing power to that of a grade school calculator. WE CAN CHANGE OUR ENERGY!

YES. WE. CAN.

Obama / Biden '08 (for change I DO beleive in!)
Manny Perez, Scottsdale AZ

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Manny,

Absolutley loved how you completley ignored the new idustry makes new jobs portion of the post. Which do you think would make new jobs: Allowing a few Oil Companies to drill, or, Starting up several anew alternative energy industries. Seems like a no brainer to me. Oh, yeah......
And what would you expect from the repugnants who are all just oil whores?
I am ready for someone to run our government and leave the oil companies no place at the table.  I'm ready for renewable energy sources, cars that don't run on gas no matter what you do to them, and solar, hydrogen, and wind power to heat and cool our homes.
Oil is not necessary unless you own stock in the oil companies, if you own stock in the oil companies it is my sincere wish you enjoy all the pleasures of bankruptcy very soon.
No mcbush/no pchaney/ no drilling!
And still not released, the transcript of what the oil barons said at their Energy Meeting at the White House. Why doesn't the White House have the political courage to come clean now for once and for all and let us know that the policy then, as now, is drill and drill some more.
Where have the repubs been remember they were in control and did nothing. That is why we are in this mess.
John, MI
Dude, look up the numbers on oil spill data from Katrina and Rita.  Oil Rig damage is VERY common and millions of gallons are spilled every year without much alarm to the general public cuz it is hushed by the oil companies, they learned their lesson from the Exxon Valdez...
T-Bone Pickens has figured it out.  Go T-Bone!
Ford expected his Model-T to be run on ethyl alcohol in 1925.  His thought then was that by using this form of fuel we would have a sustainable fuel source and prop up farms that were beginning to fail due to the 1920's economic crisis.  Once again lobbying from the petroleum companies who had discovered so called "vast reserves" and a massive smear campaign against a National energy program to use agricultural resources as energy sources. Even then the drawbacks of gasoline were known yet production still went forward.  Guess who was in office?  John Calvin Coolidge, Republican, the founder of laissez-faire government made famous during the Regan years.  P.S. the 1929 crash occurred after 8 years of Republican presidents...
I'd like to hear more on the bribery charges coming up on Halliburton and KBR.  Is this a connection to why we have been hearing so much about drill, drill, drill baby so the americans can bail them out but yet keep it quiet and swept under the carpet?
For the people who think the reason to drill is to save 2 cents a gallon for gas over a ten year period:  Get a clue.  Even if we don't save the 2 cents it's better to use domestically produced energy than to send our billions to OPEC.  Yes we can invest in alternatives and renewables.  But it won't happen overnight, and if we are bankrupt, it won't happen at all.  We need to use OUR oil while we develop the alternatives.
Where have the repubs been remember they were in control and did nothing.  That is why we are in this mess.  Carmen Colorado
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Carmen - The Democrats have controlled the House the past nearly four years and that "idiot" Nancy Pelosi blocked having a vote on the off shore drilling before the election because she didn't want the Republicans to get any credit for its passage.  She would rather have all of us paying a higher price for gasoline.  FACT:  Gas prices have gone way high while the Democrats have been in control.  Maybe you should move out of the country or get your facts straight. You're just another one of these left wing liberals.  
Waa, Waa, Waa. Crying Dems. Alaska residents recieve a tax refund for living in the state for the oil produced there, and its more than $0.02/gal. Drilling now is better than waiting for alternative fuels to come along. General George S. Patton once said "A good plan executed today is better than a great plan executed tomorrow". The Dems want to wait it out. The GOP wants to take action NOW. Why do you think the GOP was in chambers trying to work it out? Didnt see one Dem in there working to solve ANYTHING. You Dems better open your eyes and stop giving your country to the Government. STAND UP, fight for your country, STAND UP, for whats right. STAND UP! ! !
John, MI

Let's go thru this one more time.  
1) The oil companies have 62 MILLION acres of leased land that they havent even looked at yet.  Why do they need more if they havent even explored and developed the reasources they have?  

2) Any increase in drill may..MAY...have an effect in 10 years...more lickly 10-20, depending in who you talk to.

3) ANY new oil is not kept in the US.  It is sold on the world market.  Where it is 120+ a barrel.  Do you really think Oil companies will use it to drop a price that is making them record profits?

4) Are you a skilled leatherneck?  Are you an engineer or in industrial construction?  There are very few companies that can construct and assemble these rigs, most of the are INTERNATIONAL...meaning jobs are not guarenteed for this country.

Every time an announcement that a major oil field would be opened for drilling, since the 60's, has resulted in a significant change in the price of oil on the world market - THE NEXT DAY, and in modern times within a few HOURS!  Please learn a little economics and study some history before commenting on something, especially if it is the oil industry.

The opening of key area off-shore drilling and/or ANWAR would have a dramatic impact on oil prices almost IMMEDIATELY.  Nancy Pelosi is not only wrong in her understanding, but delusional.  I don't know of any financial analyst in the oil industry that would agree with her.  NONE!  Opening ANWAR alone would change oil prices overnight.

Off-shore areas currently open to drilling don't have the available oil to warrant drilling.  This is simple economics (which surprisingly seem to be beyond the understanding of some bloggers).  If these areas would have enough oil to make production cost-effective, some company would have started drilling.  The areas that are either rich enough in oil or may be rich in oil but we have not been allowed to explored so we can find out how much oil is there, are in areas Congress has prohibited drilling and/or exploration.  There could be a tremendous amount of oil right off our coasts - for example Brazil just found between 5-8B barrels of oil off their coast and will soon become a major oil producing nation!  Many of these areas could see significant oil production within TWO YEARS.  At today's oil prices what sophomoric company would take 10 years?  Where does Pelosi get her information?

There are many improvements to oil production from underwater well-heads to horizontal directional drilling.  There are a number of procedures and safe-guards for doing this environmentally safe.  That should be what the discussion is about.  Not IF, but HOW to best get this oil to the market.

Alternative energy is great, but what do we use while it is being developed?  Billions of $ in research has already been spent on developing alternative energy sources over the last three decades.  What if we are three decades out from another workable solution?  What then?  

Energy is too important to this country not to have a comprehensive approach (Barack, that means pursuing more than one option) which should include expanding oil production and exploration here, and doing so NOW.

Don't you think that by the time the new drilling has it's 2 cent effect in ten years that the demand will have increased enough to push the prices up far beyond  the 2 cent decrease?  Think about it.  The bottom line is that we are totally dependent on a finite resource.  Extracting more of that resource does not solve anything.  It just postpones it a bit.  Eliminating our dependency is the only real solution.  Anything else is hype.  Seems like a no-brainer to me.


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