ABOUT FIRST READ

First Read is an analysis of the day's political news, from the NBC News political unit. First Read is updated throughout the day, so check back often.

Chuck Todd, NBC Political Director

Mark Murray, NBC Deputy Political Director

Domenico Montanaro, NBC News Political Reporter



'More than just shopping'

Posted: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:34 PM by Sam Go
Filed Under:

From NBC's Luke Russert

In 2008, unity between Republicans and Democrats is a rare sight; unity between John McCain and Barack Obama is nonexistent. In the last three months, three things have brought the two candidates together: one, my late father’s funeral mass; two, Rick Warren’s Saddleback Forum about faith and God; three, 9/11.

Today, Obama and McCain both toured Ground Zero and tonight they address a forum on the importance of national service. I was fortunate enough to interview both senators in a span of about 16 hours. Both candidates gave me 12 minutes to ask them about national service and how their own service has influenced their lives as politicians, but more importantly as Americans.

I met up with Senator McCain at a rally in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. He and Governor Palin spoke to a crowd of roughly 7,500 folks and he gave his usual stump speech. After the speech, the senior senator from Arizona walked into a reception room to sit down for our interview. We made some small talk and he emphasized how much he wished he could see my dad covering this election. I agreed and said, “I’d love to see Governor Palin on Meet the Press!” McCain laughed. ***VIDEO: Watch Luke Russert's interview as it aired on TODAY.

My questions mainly had to do with service. I started out by asking about the McCain family’s history of service, and the senator remarked how it went all the way back to the Revolutionary War. He then spoke of sacrifice and the need for people to put “country first” today. I asked him about 9/11, its impact and what we can do to get some of the unity we had in October 2001 back again. I think McCain’s response was his most interesting answer. He said, “I think, in all due respect, a little straight talk. We told Americans to go shopping or take a trip. We should have told them this is our opportunity to serve.” Quite bluntly, McCain called out the Bush administration for failing to communicate to Americans the importance of service.

Profusely sweating, I walked through the doors of a high school in Norfolk, Virginia for my interview with Senator Obama. Norfolk is in the deep southern part of Virginia and the humidity destroys sweaters like myself. Obama was conducting a town hall inside Granby High School in front of a few hundred people, as well as making an appearance with former Virginia Governor Mark Warner.

The interview was in a classroom and I was putting the finishing touches on my questions when the junior senator from Illinois walked in. He gave me a hug and asked how I was holding up. We made some small talk about road food and his kids. I started off the interview in the room that was probably 98 degrees (if I look sweaty on TV, I apologize, it was hot) by asking him why he turned down big money to be a community organizer. The senator said he was drawn to be a community organizer because he felt he had wasted time in high school and college, and felt compelled to give back after he learned about issues larger than himself: civil rights, apartheid, poverty. I asked him about sacrifice and if, as Americans, we still have a sense of what it means to sacrifice.

He sounded a lot like McCain when he said, “You haven’t heard President Bush talk about the need for people to step up in serious ways. After 9/11 we were told to shop, and that’s something I very much want to reverse. In our campaign, one of the things we constantly talk about is not just working on behalf of an election, but working to reinvigorate that sense of citizenship with people.”

For me, that was the lede: Two senators from different parties with completely different backgrounds said that there was a missed opportunity for America after 9/11. From a tragic event, we as a nation could have risen to a new high, could have had a civic re-awakening, but we did not. So whether or not you support John McCain or Barack Obama, all Americans should be comforted that the next president will echo the words of John F. Kennedy, spoken many decades ago, “We can do better.”

Yes we can and yes we will do better.

Please watch my interviews on Today tomorrow morning, and we'll try to post the complete interviews online at msnbc.com and icue.com.

 

MAIN PAGE

Email this EMAIL THIS

Comments

Imitation must be the sincerest form of flattery. McCain is repeating Obama's message almost verbatim. It is unbelievable. "We need to turn the page... Change change change....on Sept 11, we weren't Republicans or Democrats, we were all Americans"

But the best one is the part where he is praising the work of community organizers (of course he never used that actual phrase).. What a hypocrite!

What a liar acting as if he hasn't voted with Bush over 90% of the time when he complains how Washington is broken. His whining about the nastyness of the campaign fails any instrospection that he is the one who has made it so. His campaign is filthy run by lobbyists and liars. All they do is smear - even fact check.org has taken issue with them. He has failed another pledge yet again - he promised to keep this day non-political and yet at every turn - he does. McCain is a liar and should be ashamed.
Good job, Luke.  I was taken off guard when your father's voice came on the "As It Happened" broadcast today on MSNBC.  What I have learned about him in the past few months has inspired me to be a better person.  I'm sure he has a twinkle in his eye watching you follow in his footsteps.
I know you must miss your Dad more than words can tell. He was such a great man and he brought integrity to a profession that sometimes seems to have none.  You have so much to be proud of in him and I know he's proud of you.
My family fought here during the French and India war and every war after that, we know service is important, how many of you real americans are making a difference.
I am going to call the Big Brother/Big sister organization and volunteer to become a Big brother.
I ask all americans to get up off the couch and volunteer somewhere, anywhere.
We can use all the help we can get.
Good job Luke! People from both sides will slice and dice each other's candidates, but the important thing to take away from this is your last point.
Great leaders inspire.  That's the focal point of Obama's campaign.  He is able to rally our sense of patriotism and personifies service to country in a humble way.  Obama has fired up young people in particular, in way that is unprecedented.  We cannot as a nation afford to lose that opportunity again, the way Bush squandered the country's sense of nationalism and civility after Sep. 11.
Great job Luke. Don't forget to make them sweat too.
WOW...McNasty was wound-up on the change message today. It's laughable. That's it republicans, lie, spin, lie some more, spin, plagerize your opponent's talking points, and repeat it all again so your bonehead constituency will finally "get it".

God please free us all from the decades long scourge of Republicanism....lol
How in Gods name can Obama win this election when he answers Judy Woodruff's question about what difference there would have been between what McCain said he would have done if he was President on 9-11 and what Barack would have done; when Barack answers the question by saying that his response would not  really that different than McCains.  McCain WANTED TO INVADE IRAQ TWO DAYS AFTER 9-11!!  Why doesn't Barack POINT THAT OUT???  I GIVE UP.  
One of the easiest ways to break an ankle is to run backwards.  I'm surprised McCain hasn't broken both in the past 3 months trying to sprint away from both Bush and from his record.
That was a very nice article Luke.   I know your father is looking down on you and very proud.  Keep up the good work!!
Awesome job Luke!!!  
Hey Luke,

We'd all love to see the Baracuda on Meet the Press.  Perhaps then we can see if she really deserves the name, or perhaps it can be changed to catfish (bottom feeder).

You done good!...Best to You!
Please note that once again McCain is "borrowing" from Obama.  also please note that Obama wants Americans to  work for one another, donating blood, giving community service (although he does include military service as well).

McCain of course uses the military first and foremost.

It is amazing to me that McCain can parrot Obama's talking points almost word for word without the press calling him to task.

Also note where the specifics came from.
I liked when McCain bold faced lie when he said we need to talk about issues...lolol...just what he and Palin havent talked about.  What a hypocrite.  And Obama never, never put down her work as mayor.  
Go Luke.  I like how you remain fair and balanced (in the true sense of the words...not like FOX Network).  Keep your honesty and objective positionings.  Good job.

Here is my favorite Tim Russert's line... "It takes just as much energy to be nice as it does to be mean!"  He said he got it from your grandfather.  I have it on my office wall and look at it everyday.
McCain could not answer with a straight face about how Palin put down being a community organizer. I don't believe he thinks the american people are actually paying attention to him and how he has been running a negative campaign. I don't think the american public is so stupid that they will fall for the same thing twice.
Mr. Russert,
You are handling the focus of the entire American public watching to see if the "great man's son" can perform on the public stage. So far, you are "breaking a leg." I look forward to your perspective as much as I do any of the veterans of the media.
Good job Luke!
It is a shame that McCain has condemned us to the same situation the Neo-Cons have placed this nation: half the nation will hate the next president. W could have united us, but he did everything possible to divide us. Now with McCain's unending insults and lies, the nation is back to hating the other side, and success by either side will result in obstacles to lead this country united. Service begins with integrity. When was it, precisely, that McCain lost his?
Luke, keep up the great work.  You are inspiring the youth with your (Dad's) excitement and on-point predictions and fabulous bi-partisan flair.  You are such a fine reflection of both your parents!  You are also a healing balm to all of us who followed your dad so closely.  I hope to see you in that MTP chair sooner rather than later!  
Class.  They are both right.  We need to ask more of Americans, both the community organizers AND the rich.
Luke most of questions were asked tonight on the forum...

McCain, was angry about town hall meetings; because Senator Obama would not allow him to distract his schedule? So that’s why he allowed Palin( I suppose) who has a legend of corruption to besmirch Senator Obama’s community organize skill.
McCain,  obviously almost lost it; the interviewers asked him a question he didn’t like. A question—he doesn’t need to be in the Whitehouse; neither does his finger need to be near the red button.
He demonstrated how much anger and resentment he possesses to this country, and the world.  No wonder the world sees Americans not like us as he perceives.  
Obama, it was ironic how he found the community job.  
People, if you could not see the substance in Senator Obama’s selfishness and his sincere desire to have us (Americans) come together as one practically from cradle to grave.  It reminded me of some sitcoms like Leave it to Beaver, the Donna Reed Show, Father Knows Best, etc. So much for sentimentally, but what I  actually got from Senator Obama was a sense of community starting from family, community andthe world, from  the bottom up, going as far as we can with ideas of being the best  Americans we can be. More importantly, I saw hope, inspiration, a sense of willingness to share and contribute to self and others, and motivation, towards fixing a broken system.  
In contrast Obama told the people how he planned to bring us together in more specific programs; whereas McCain was uptight and more vague with his ideas.  
With Mccain/Palin, The Worst Is Yet To Come. Vote McCain and you get what got; literally.

Enough
Enough glossing over!
No way!
No how!
No McCain/Palin!
Nobody but Obama/Biden

Luke, keep doing the good jobs.
(if I look sweaty on TV, I apologize, it was hot) LOL ... how hilarious!

keep doin' you, luke. you're SO doing papa proud.
Imitation must be the sincerest form of flattery. McCain is repeating Obama's message almost verbatim. It is unbelievable. "We need to turn the page... Change change change....on Sept 11, we weren't Republicans or Democrats, we were all Americans"

But the best one is the part where he is praising the work of community organizers (of course he never used that actual phrase).. What a hypocrite!

What a liar acting as if he hasn't voted with Bush over 90% of the time when he complains how Washington is broken. His whining about the nastyness of the campaign fails any instrospection that he is the one who has made it so. His campaign is filthy run by lobbyists and liars. All they do is smear - even fact check.org has taken issue with them. He has failed another pledge yet again - he promised to keep this day non-political and yet at every turn - he does. McCain is a liar and should be ashamed.

American Voter (Sent Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:46 PM)
 

This is exactly what Mccain and Obama were talking about. People like you who do nothing but put dividers up between Americans. Maybe it's not the politicians who are at fault for keeping the nation divided, but people with responses, like the one above that push politicians to keep this nation divided
For the rest of time, the Republicans in office on September 11, 2001 will be known as the administration that screwed it all up and missed out on the chance of a lifetime to unite and motivate each other to be servants for each other and to show the world what we are made of. I feel sorry for all the people of the United States because we were robbed. Here we are 7 years later and we never did "hunt down" the people resposible - as President Bush promised he would do. Instead he tried to complete the job his father failed at. It;s sick - really - and all US citizens should be upset to the point of pissed off for these actions and more importantly lack of actions.
Great job Luke!  I suspect your Dad is sporting a big, proud grin right now.  I really miss him and hope that he sends Brian Williams some help in the upcoming presidential debate.  There just isn't anyone who can hold a candle to your Dad.
Shame on you MSNBC. It was Barack's night - he did a great job tonight at the service forum (way better than McCain.) And who do you have on your web site page as the lead political story - John McCain, of course. Why do you insist being the GOP's lap dog. The whole headline is so right wing leaning that it in disgusting.
Palin want a cracker? Because either Palin is a parrot that only repeats what has been force fed to her or she is the mother of the Miss Teen USA SC 2007 because her answer was just a ...how did Charlie say it...Blizzard of words.
I too would love to see Governor Palin on Meet the Press!


this true McCain is a copy cat, his campaign's message is hollow. He  had to eat back the comments Palin made about the servise of the community organizers. She ridiculed their service also civic grroups and churches. Do the Republicans now see what they have picked in McBush and Palin? the two laughed and belittled community organizers and today had to face up tp it.Obama/Biden 08
this true McCain is a copy cat, his campaign's message is hollow. He  had to eat back the comments Palin made about the servise of the community organizers. She ridiculed their service also civic grroups and churches. Do the Republicans now see what they have picked in McBush and Palin? the two laughed and belittled community organizers and today had to face up tp it.Obama/Biden 08
Mr. Luke Russert, I am sure your Dad is very proud of you.  But I have to say that I have wished so many times in the past few weeks, that I could hear your Dad's opinions on what is going on in this election.  I watched him whenever possible & always admired his directness with whoever he was interviewing.  He did his homework & held his guest's feet to the fire & anyone that went on his program knew they'd better be very well prepared.  Keep up your good work - you've had the best teacher!
OK, I'll post this comment on Luke Russert's interview since it looks like McCain needs the help of a recent college graduate.  I just visited the John McCain website for the first time.  To the right there is a section titled recent news.  Under that title is a listing of events/happenings in May.  I hate to tell John McCain but that was 4 months ago.  

He wants to be President & he can't even make sure that his website is up to date.
You are making a way of your very own. I suspect that would be just the way your father would want it for you. So very glad to see your face show up, as it gives me and many of your father's faithful followers the comforting feeling that through your eyes, he sees. Through your testimony he speaks. And in you, the championing spirit remains. And all hope in the dynamics of our demorcratic system remains true and equitable. So, it is very good. To see you. Peace be with you, Mr. Russert.
We all miss your father, Luke.  I too would love to see him grill Palin on Meet the Press.  Stay true to yourself and make your dad proud - I know you will.
Hi, I am 34 years old and a mother of four.  I have never followed politics and this will be the first time in 10 years that I am going to vote. This election has gotten my attention, as my family’s future is on the line, not something I am willing to have government toy with. Let me start by saying I wish the parties could work together to fill the gap between them, to help each other make this Nation a better and safer place to live.
My husband is a mortgage broker. He is one of the decent businessmen who do not drag his clients through the mud. Yes I know what you are thinking, he and others like him, are indeed part of the reason why this economy is spiraling downhill, however there are a few decent and honest brokers out there, trying to help those who have and still are struggling. You see, we too know what it is like not to be able to put food on the table for our family, just like the other millions of Americans today, we know what it’s like to feel the wrath of rising prices and little money. Us experiencing this type of hardship only strengthens his belief that it is important to be honest to his clients. He is well liked and respected within the business and small town where we live because of his honesty.
Now here we are and there is nothing he can do for his clients because there are simply no programs out there for anyone with mid-level to low-level credit and income, unless they can give 15-20% upfront. 15-20% upfront is fine for the wealthy, but the majority of people in America are middle class, of who are soaring downwards, meeting up with the lower class, poverty stricken, and homeless community. These are the individuals who need the most help! As the gas prices are rising, and the jobs are declining these individuals are finding it hard to put food on the table for there families, they are having a hard time paying there bills, and they are asking each other what they are going to do when there house goes into foreclosure.
The only thing “TRICKLING” down is the Governments neglect. All of this affects everyone in some way, including us. We are slowly and surely heading back to where we started, quite sad considering how hard we worked to be able to give our children what we never had, again sad because now we have to see it taken from them. It is every parents dream to give there children what they never had!  
Why should our children suffer and feel the hardships of the government, when they should be reaping all of the benefits, they are our future, we need to show and teach them love and encouragement, understanding and honesty, loyalty and commitment, respect and dignity. How are we to expect this world to become a better, safer, healthier, and cleaner place, if we do not lead these younger generations down the right path? In order for our children to grow up with the qualities I mentioned above, we need to bestow them onto our children.
I also want to note that social class does not define people as individuals, it is my opinion that people who are in the middle class, lower class,  poverty class, and homeless are there because of there financial and geographical status. It does not make them bad people, it does not make them lazy, and it most of all does not mean they are any less of a person then anyone else. Most of our Nations millionaires are dishonest, unworthy, and disloyal individuals, that is how they made there millions or was it because the Republicans feel they are above anyone else and we should only give to the rich. No one can help where they live in most situations; it is based on what they can afford. Most of them can not help it that they live in a bad community, that is all they can afford, they can not help it if there jobs only pay $20,000.00 a year, it is not there fault that there education is less then decent. Having or not having money does not make anyone a good or bad person, it is of coarse all relative to lifestyle, however do you not agree that at some point in our lives, if we work hard and strive to be the best we can be, we deserve not to have to worry about food, gas, where to live and other questions like: Will I get shot when I step outside my house?, Will my kids be approached by drug dealers?, Will the kids learn anything new in school? Creating safer, cleaner, and respected communities, creating better paying jobs, and providing children as well as adults with a better education, is the only way for us as parents and individuals to be able not to have to worry and or ask these types of questions. If we help make undesirable communities a better place to live and if we help them obtain decent jobs, if we show them a better life,  helping them turn into self respecting individuals, then there would be a lower percentage of homeless, poverty stricken and lower class individuals. These individuals will want to strive to succeed, they will see the fruit of there labor.  You see self respect and honesty are not always taught; instead what is taught is taking the easy way out, a quick buck, lots of money, less work, or illegal sales. We need to re-teach these individuals, teach them that taking the easy way out is never the real way out, it is a temporary patch on a small crack, but that crack will start to get bigger and when that happens not only is the crack bigger, but it is five times worse then when it began, creating this huge gap, as we have now. We as a Nation should want everyone to live comfortably, not worrying about how they are going to eat or where they are going to live. We as a Nation should want to know that it will be safe to walk around outside, that our children will not be influenced by drugs and violence. Our children are our future; let’s give them a future to look forward to!
Now with that said, I am wondering how the Republicans can say they embrace family values? What type of family values are shown when McCain cheated on his first wife and Palin is off working so much that she does not even know what is going on in her own home. Now I am not saying women should not work, I believe in equal rights, however it is our responsibilities as mothers and as fathers to teach our children the very same values Palin says she has, yet have not been displayed. In her own family it seems they are lacking any family values. I was also wondering if the Republicans want to take our right to choose away, do they offer any suggestions as to what to do with all of the unwanted children in our Nation, that I suspect we will end up with once we are forced to have these babies. Once we are not able to abort an embryo due to being a rape victim, or when a mother can not afford to take care of her child because she has no place to live, or for those unwanted teenage pregnancies, how about the drug addicted, and yes, even the mentally challenged and disabled babies, where parents are just not mentally able to deal with it, WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE BABIES? Are they tossed out for garbage, killed by the mothers and fathers, abandoned? What?  I have not heard what is to happen to these babies when we are forced to have them because the government has decided it is a bad thing not to have them. Now, where do these babies go? Are mothers lining up in the back allies, where is the change in that? I hear no mention of adoption to families who desperately want to have a baby, instead we are forced to adopt outside our country, again giving hard earned American money to other countries. No one should ever take away a woman’s right to decide weather or not she is ready to become a mother, we are all different, not every woman can be a good mother and not every woman wants to be a mom. Adopting from within our own Country should be made more affordable, and more available.
Furthermore, why is it that the Republicans have yet to speak to the press, I am board of hearing the same speech from the convention. Are they not intelligent enough to speak for themselves or is it they do not know how to answer the real questions? Do they even have any ideas as to how and what they want to do? Healthcare is next on my list, we pay out of pocket for benefits, and it is quite costly, I would love to see some kind of reform with this. I will not be able to obtain a job in the field I studied, due to the need for health insurance. My children’s needs come first, and that need right now is us saving money and me finding a job that provides insurance in order to do so.
Hopefully people will open there eyes and do there research, from politicians to reform.
Everyone makes mistakes in there lives, but being honest and upfront about them instead of slandering reputations to make themselves look better only makes them look bad, and worse then that, they are no longer someone I would trust my future, my children’s future, and grandchildren’s future with. We need to be honest with ourselves before we can be honest with anyone else; it is too bad the Republicans are always thinking of themselves and are dishonest with the voters.
There are many issues that need to be discussed, yet the only one offering any suggestions is Obama. He may not be experienced, that can be debated all day, but he has ideas that are worth my vote. McCain has the same boring speech, offering no ideas, wrote by Bush’s people. No thanks, I am looking for someone who is not afraid to try to make a difference, to help and put others before themselves. That man is surly Obama!
All I ever hear are smears about Obama. Are they afraid that if they treat Obama with the same respect he has shown them, they will lose this election? Why are the Republican campaign people protecting Palin? They give her white glove service and social protection, but if she wants to serve us the people, we should be able to ask her what ever we want, without her and the other members of her team feeling as if we are attacking her, she needs to go through the interview process, no different for any other politician, yet the Republicans seem to get insulted. The republicans have yet to reveal any facts as to how they plan on “CHANGING” the Nation. While they have stolen Obama’s slogan, they are still only proving that they are following the same trend that has been failing for the past eight years. Also, I was wondering why it is when a Republican is asked what progress they have made, they turn around and cry like babies because they feel like they have been treated unfairly. They are a bunch of crybabies, Bush’s marionettes, his clones. Oh yeah, just one more thing the Republicans can not seem to agree on, and worst of all on the same ticket. Obama speaks about what matters, the issues, he speaks to the press, and most of all he not only speaks to the people, and he allows us to question him and responds to theses questions accordingly. He is the man who has ideas and is able to speak for himself, he has no one pulling his strings, and he is a man with deep convictions! Education is a key issue for me as well, as I recently graduated from the Art Institute for a 1 year diploma program in Interior Design and it cost me out of pocket, over 20 thousand dollars, books, pc programs, and supplies at an additional expense. While I could have applied for student loans, I figured I was better paying for it now, while we could afford to, instead of possible money depletion in the future, thus owing a larger debt, due to the lack of money to pay  the payments and incurring interest charges. Let’s just say it was a good thing I went when I did, I graduated in June of this year, and as things are now for us, I couldn’t afford to start now.  I having 4 children will need to be a millionaire in order to put them through 4 year schools, and if they decide they want to be Doctors and/or Lawyers I will need to work until I die. I of course want to encourage my children to further there education, to go into a profession which is in high demand, but I often wonder how we will pay for it. It breaks my heart when I see and hear stories of children that strongly desire to go to collages, but simply can not afford to pay the enrollment fees. I would love for education to be widely and readily available to all, including those who work hard but can not afford to go. I do however think there should be some kind of entry requirements and or written essays, qualifying those who are passionate about learning. I would hate to see the few people out there take advantage of the ease of enrollment, ruining it down the line for all the serious students out there. Of course education is never wasted on the young, so focusing on the young and instilling a desire to learn in these children will be the best start, in my opinion.
While I know taxes are all relevant to living areas, we are paying 9 thousand dollars a year, that is high and having someone on our side, like Obama, to possible regulate taxes would be great. Part of what gets me is most home owners, and in our case, try to create a home that is pleasing to the eye (not an eye sore from the street), so that our community (development) remains decent, but we have to pay for it. Let me give you an example. We used stamped concrete, because it is considered a permanent structure we were taxed on it. I could have easily kept the dirt, but then it would have brought down the clean development we worked so hard to get into. I think it is unfair for hard working homeowners to be taxed for making there homes more desirable. What should be done is to charge those who are to lazy to pick up the garbage off of the lawn or those who do not cut the weeds (lawn). It is the lazy home owners that do not care about there communities that should have to pay higher taxes, that way if they do not fix up and lend a hand to keep there community clean they will have contributed a certain amount for the town to take care of it. What about health care? We pay out of pocket so much money for health care; I am currently looking for a job which unfortunately is taking me outside my desired field because I want benefits to be included. We simple can not afford it anymore. Who is going to suffer, my kids! I would love to see health care made to be more affordable, wouldn't you?
Obama is the real change, no strings attached!
Thanks for clearing some of this up.


SEND A COMMENT

PLEASE READ: All comments must be approved before appearing in the thread; time and space constraints prevent all comments from appearing. We will only approve comments that are directly related to the blog, use appropriate language and are not attacking the comments of others.

Message (please, no HTML tags. Web addresses will be hyperlinked):

TRACKBACKS

Trackbacks are links to weblogs that reference this post. Like comments, trackbacks do not appear until approved by us. The trackback URL for this post is: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/trackback.aspx?PostID=1381002

First Read e-mail alerts


Sign up for First Read alerts
The first place for key political news and analysis

Syndicate This Site

Add First Read to your news reader:
live.com xml
myyahoo msn
bloglines newsgator
google