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Biden defends 'patriotic' tax remark

Posted: Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:58 PM by Carrie Dann
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From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli
AKRON, Ohio -- Fired up in a room full of union members, Joe Biden angrily defended both his ticket’s tax plan and his own claim that tax hikes for the rich are patriotic, while urging fellow Democrats to stand their ground on what he said was a values debate.

Biden, speaking to members of the Laborers International Union of North America, began by saying that there is “no disagreement” between John McCain and Barack Obama on the need for tax cuts. The real issue, he said, is who gets them.

“Catholic social doctrine as I was taught it is, you take care of people who need the help the most,” he said. “Now it'd be different if you could make the case to me that by giving this tax cut to the very wealthy, everybody else was going to be better off. We saw what happened the last eight years when we gave that tax cut."

He then explained his statement, first made at a rally in Sarasota, FL, two weeks ago, that asking the wealthiest Americans to accept tax hikes would be patriotic. And he added that the tax rates would still be lower than they were under the Reagan administration.

“I tell you, Democrats,” Biden said, gritting his teeth. “Don't you step down from anybody telling you that we don't value, we don't have American values. … I want this debate about values! I want this debate about American values.”

Biden was speaking before a very friendly audience, but urged them to spread the word, acknowledging that even some Democrats remain wary of Obama.

“Say you’re right, last eight years worked pretty well, didn’t they?” he said. “How do you feel, small businessman, about the last eight years? How do you feel, white-collar worker, about the last eight years? … This is not about Democrat or Republican. It’s about the facts.”

Biden, who has been doing regular interviews with both local and national press, deviated during his remarks to challenge both members of the GOP ticket to do the same.

“It’s not just Sarah Palin,” he said. “When’s the last time John’s had a press conference? I’m serious! … When an elected officials stops holding press conferences, it ain’t because he’s found a new way to communicate, it’s because he doesn’t want to communicate.”

Though Biden has done his share of interviews – by one count over 80 – he has not himself held more than two solo press conferences, and none in nearly two weeks. His first solo press conference was in Pittsburgh on Sept. 1, and was very brief, as he explained his decision to cancel an appearance in the city’s Labor Day parade. He did speak with reporters aboard his campaign plane on Sept. 7 for over a half hour.

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I love you JOE!!!!
Here is what inspired me to support Sen.Obama. I watched him on debates and interviews. When the media pundits were complaining about he is not giving "I won't blink" answers to questions, I appreciated that he really listened to the questions and gave very thoughtful answers. I want a president that is a deep thinker not reading off stump speeches. Throughout the campaign he has stayed true to his commitment to stay on the issues. His opponent on the other hand has gone off the deep end. Sen.Obama has shown us very clearly how he will govern and that inspires a lot of confidence. He picked a VP candidate that will help him govern, rather than the one that would help him win. He put the country first in his choice. And his personal story his a true American story. I live in CA, so I see things very differently. The kids in my kids classes are very diverse. There are caucasians, hispanics, african americans and asians and there are plenty of bi-racial and multi-racial kids.
As a son of a white mother and a black father and with an asian american sister, he represents hope for all of us and our future.
The Mepublicans will try to beat up Joe over his "patriotic" comments, etc.  But Dang!  Is he right, or what?

Taxpayer bailout of the wealthy few (think Wall Street, Freddie/Fannie) is just as patriotic.  And for all you "liberal haters" out there, it's also Reverse Socialism!!!  Own that!
I think we'll be seeing a lot of articles beginning with the words "Biden defends".
We understand where your coming from Biden! Keep up the good work!

Obama/Biden 08
John McCain gets three checks....senate paycheck (hasn't been in the Senate in almost a year..he's running for president and he can't multi-task 2) social security..he's 72 and 3) VA pension. If he was so patriotic and "country first" he would for go one of those checks and start a "veteran homeless" fund. I'm sure Cindy would make up the difference!
John McCain gets three checks....senate paycheck (hasn't been in the Senate in almost a year..he's running for president and he can't multi-task 2) social security..he's 72 and 3) VA pension. If he was so patriotic and "country first" he would for go one of those checks and start a "veteran homeless" fund. I'm sure Cindy would make up the difference!
Biden is only asking that the richest people in America pay their fair share. I agree with him that it is their patriotic duty.
Hang in there Joe.  Keep talking that way to the American Public.  American's keep talking about how making sacrifices is patriotic, well, I can't think of a better way than for the really wealthy to pay more taxes so the people that work for their companies, child care workers, teachers, police & firefighters, get tax breaks.  It's a very simplistic view but that's my nutshell take on this.
“Catholic social doctrine as I was taught it is, you take care of people who need the help the most.”

Thank you!!! Spoken like a true Christian, one who cares about everyone that the bush regime has left behind to starve.
Sounds like Joe has grown a pair.  :)

Go, Joe, Go !!!
Biden, who has been doing regular interviews with both local and national press, deviated during his remarks to challenge both members of the GOP ticket to do the same.

“It’s not just Sarah Palin,” he said. “When’s the last time John’s had a press conference? I’m serious! … When an elected officials stops holding press conferences, it ain’t because he’s found a new way to communicate, it’s because he doesn’t want to communicate.”

Tell it like it is Joe!

This election is Obama/Biden vs GOP corporate lobbyists.

I choose Obama/Biden 08
Hey Joe go to church and give as much as you want...By the way lets see what rev wright will do with the money you give him
Thank you! Joe, the debate is over. Sarah has no retort. Does she know about Milton Freidman?

Sarah needs to learn how to present a plan instead of sweeping generalizations. Since Obama has Wall Street experience. Obama step into the shoes of a community organizer to be a public servant; those are his values inherited from Mother and grandfather. His father graduated summa cum laude; Obama graduated magna cum laude. He was able to present a six point plan before and after the stock market debacle. Gold is up; and the stock market is down. The domino effect in the world, my friend just returned from Cameroon, Africa; it wouldn’t accept the paper thin American dollar. John McCain voted for the Gramm-Leach-Bliley, which repealed Glass Steagal. John McCain was a member of the Keating Five.

Enough
Enough glossing over!
No way!
No how!
No McCain/Palin!
Nobody but Obama/Biden
“Catholic social doctrine as I was taught it is, you take care of people who need the help the most,” he said.

I thought he didn't want to impose his religious values on the rest of us.
Catholic social doctrine as I was taught it is, you take care of people who need the help the most,”  now having said that i'm with you joe, this time yes the rich need to pull there own weight regarding taxes, because people, the middle class DOES NOT HAVE IT THIS TIME!!!! we have paid more for gas, food, our bills are pilling up and we DO NOT HAVE IT this time! the rich has had it good for the last 8 years while the middle has taken a beating!!!
this is not about rich verses poor, or rich verces the middle, its about being true americans, we as american need top pull together and get this mess taken care of!! plain and simple, if you don't want to, then move to europe, that tax rate is at 49% for the rich, barack is ONLY telling to go back to the clinton levels!! he does not want your blood!!!
and i must say no one was complaining during those years when the counrty created 2 to 3 million new jobs, increased taxes did not kill us then they will not kill us now!!!
It's time for the wealthy and those corporations that have had record breaking profits to give back, pay their share. I am so sick of these multi millionares and billionares whinning. Hey all you big oil men in Texas, how about helping out those devestated by Ike? I don't see you guys lifting a hand towards anyone. I forgot, one hand is to busy counting your money, while the other is on your bible. SHUT UP AND PUT UP.
you get 'em joe! it's true, he speaks the truth.
You tell 'em Joe - remind our fellow CHRISTIANS about what their BIBLE says about it!

"From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more" - Luke 12:48

AMEN!
"When an elected officials stops holding press conferences, it ain’t because he’s found a new way to communicate, it’s because he doesn’t want to communicate"

Or perhaps he just has nothing to say.

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Keep it coming Joe.
Sarah Palin is dangerous btw.
Redistribution of the wealth is a cornerstone of a socialist society.  That's not what America needs, ever.
We must all remember that Republicans are the definers, judge and jury, and final arbiters of "PATRIOTISM".
Give'em Hell Joe.  You are are the right side of the issues, so continue to make it an issues/values debate. John doesn't want a press conference because he does not want to answer tough questions. He really does forget what he said a week ago.  

McCain twists Biden's words on asking the top 2% of earners to be patriotic by contributing taxes to help fix our country. He makes it sound (again) like the plan is to raise everyone's (not just the top 2%s) taxes. Not to mention, if helping rebuild the nation in tough times is not patriotic, what IS?!

One last thing...those Bush tax cuts McCain now favors...didn't he oppose them initially saying that you can't cut taxes on the rich while at war? (btw Sen. McCain...we're still at war). I guess the last "straight talk" we heard from McCain is when he admitted that the economy is "something I don't understand as well as I should." (yeah...he said that)
Go get 'em Joe!  He doesn't need to defend his comment.  The POW said something similar waaay back when he opposed Bush's tax cut for the uber-rich.  But then he got on the "Whiplash Express" and suddenly wants to extend those tax cuts to the Uber-rich, and oh, yeah, now he wants to be the King of Regulation again.  

Go get 'em Joe!!  I cannot WAIT until you are our Vice President!!

OBAMA/BIDEN '08 - Won't it be GREAT!!
Give 'em hell Joe!
Biden: “Catholic social doctrine as I was taught it is, you take care of people who need the help the most,”

Catholic doctrine, as you were taught, says abortion is murder. What an absolute phony this guy is.
Gov. Palin has already responded that taxes kill jobs and hurt small business.  But as mayor and governor she raised sales taxes and taxed oil companies.  So she seems to want it both ways.  Be for taxes and before she was against taxes
Wow!!  Nice!!! Don't back down!  THAT is what I'm talking about!!  Let 'em have it Joe!  Tell the Truth so that they'll THINK they're in hell!!!!  Way to go Joe!

FR no Obama Quotes Today?  What's Up!!??
Biden forgets that as far as the GOP is concerned, only Republicans are "Patriotic".  Democrats (and anyone else who disagree with them) are simply anti-American, God-hating terrorist.  To the GOP the "Patriotic" thing to do is to continue to give breaks to the rich and hope that their good fortune trickles down to the rest of us.  Sure.  Let me know how that works out for you.

Obama/Biden '08!
I didn't know Marxism was a part of Catholic doctrine. Learn something new everyday I guess.
Joe, if it's patriotic to pay more taxes, then why are you giving tax cuts?  I guess if people getting those tax cuts are patriotic, then they'll say "no thanks" and send it back.
The difference between Biden and Palin is that when Biden speaks - on any occasion - he doesn't say the exact same thing - or some minute variation of the same thing.

Someone should take of Sarah Palin's over priced jackets and see if she has a ring with a string in her back.

If she gets into office it will take another century for women to redeem themselves.
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There is not a thing wrong with what Joe Biden said. Didn't we ask people to buy War Bonds during WWI and WWII? Since the wealthy have all the money shoudn't they kick into the 'war bond' fund again? As always though when you ask a wealthy Repub to put their money where their mouth is they want to change the subject real quick!
Who would have ever guessed that if MCCAIN would have PICKED ROMNEY WHO IS AN ECON WHIZ would have given him the Landslide Victory. Daam McCain, you really cost us this election. How is Palin going to deal with this experienced man, she's not, and not only are we going to lose, we are going to lose BIG thanks to you.

Only cause I have to...McCain/Palin 08/12
Didn't Biden just spend a few hours this week with reporters on his train ride to Deleware?  He's been on the Sunday shows.  Some reporters, desprate to appear "fair and balanced" seem to forget the facts.
JB: “When’s the last time John’s had a press conference? I’m serious!

Typical Washington guy. Work for him is a press conference. Guess what Joe, the real world doesn't run on press conferences. It runs on people going to work everyday and having people like you staying out their business. Because when every you show up, people have less money in their pocket when you leave.
First Read:  I know it's hard for you to print a true but revealing story about Obama; however, he's been on the stump several days talking about the stimulus packet he voted for.  Only problem is, he wasn't there to vote for it!  Come on, First Read, you love to smear McCain and Palin. Why don't you start reporting on the lies and nasty, vile things Biden and Obama are saying?
Get em Joe!
Now we know why Obama had Biden lay low for a week or so. The man is gaffe machine when ever he opens his mouth.
Has Biden gone insane?
I like Biden's "Don't you step down" message. Reminds me of a Ron Silver speech on The West Wing back in the day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZU4twOTXX0

Biden is a tough, smart campaigner, whose occasional gaffes are a small price for his thoughtful straight talk. Biden was a sane, responsible pick on Obama's part -- one that will pay off politically, I think, during the VP debate.  
Paying taxes is patriotic....WOW....guess that means bailing out Corporations with greedy CEO's is also patriotic.  It is also patriotic that the taxpayers now foot the bill for a Freddie donation to the Obama campaign for $85K.  Sit down, Biden, oh.oh ....sorry pal you are already sitting....
CC, Arizona
I am sooooooooo tired of the McCain/Palin lies and spin!
Joe Biden is right. It is not just Catholic social doctrine to help those less fortunate - it is core of the message of Jesus.

And what does McCain want to do? Privatize Social Security so all retirees can feel the pain of the Market spinning out of control.

While Donald Trump says "now is the time to invest." As if the vast majority has money left over while gas, food and health cost spiral higher and higher.

Barack/Joe get it. McCain/Palin do not.
Now I'm starting to like Joe Biden.  Heck yeah it is patriotic for the wealthy to pay their share of taxes.
I love Joe Biden.
We want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people," Biden said in an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America."

"Take", Joe?  You mean steal?  If I worked and earned it and paid my taxes, why do you have a right to take/steal it from me and give it to somebody else?  Take your marxist socialist income redistribution plan and go to Europe. Surely, some socialist country there needs you and Obama more than we do because frankly we can't afford you!
Catholic social doctrine that he was taught also states that you GIVE ACCORDING TO YOUR MEANS; Senator Biden missed that lesson, or misunderstood it to mean that others should give, and give, and give, at the point of a gun, if necessary.

I know that he is given to bloviating far more than most politicians, but he has gone around the bend with this.  Is it unpatriotic that the Obamas have placed more than a million dollars in a tax-free municipal bond fund, from which they receive over $50k of tax-free income each year?

Or is it unpatriotic that, two years ago, when John McCain tried to get legislation passed that would have curbed the abuses at FAnnie Mae and Freddie Mac, Sen. Chris Dodd, who got millions from them, and Barack Obama, who also got millions from them, BLOCKED the legislation?  Taking bribes is also against Catholic social doctrine, by the way.

For a man who supports abortion on the demand to be invoking Catholic doctrine is revolting.  I am certainly glad that there seems to be no chance that he will be vice president.  Unfortunately, the people of Delaware are idiotic enough to return him to the Senate, the only job he has ever had.
Biden Babbles: “How do you feel, small businessman, about the last eight years? How do you feel, white-collar worker, about the last eight years?

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I don't know Joe, things could be better. Maybe if you raised my taxes things would get better for me? Plus, I'd be Patrotic then too. Can I then wear a flag pin on my lapel?


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