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Obama ad stretches it too

Posted: Friday, September 19, 2008 1:16 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC's Domenico Montanaro
There's been a lot of talk lately of the disingenuousness of McCain's ads released in the past two weeks (and there were some really misleading ones -- the latest "Dome" one, in fact, continues to misrepresent on Obama's tax plan.)

But as we pointed out yesterday in Thoughts, McCain isn't the only one stretching a bit.

In addition to that Spanish-language ad that links McCain to Rush Limbaugh on immigration, Politifact and FactCheck.org point out Obama's ad on education up last week isn't exactly square with the facts.

The ad claims McCain "voted to cut education funding, against accountability standards. He even proposed abolishing the Department of Education." That Politifact gives a "Barely True;" FactCheck says it "misleads."

There are clear differences on education policy between these two candidates -- as there are on almost every issue -- but Obama's ad on the subject is "cherry picking" McCain's record, Politifact writes.

Over McCain's long career, "there’s an example or two bolstering Obama’s claims, but there are other examples in McCain’s nearly 22 years in the Senate, more telling, that show that McCain generally supports increased funding for education, stronger accountability standards and a more powerful Education Department."

McCain voted for a budget resolution in 1995 that called for a 1% cut in education funding. He did vote for No Child Left Behind which increased education funding 33%. But Democrats point out that, with the new expectations on schools and teachers, that NCLB was underfunded, particularly with regard to special education.

On abolishing the Department of Education, McCain did say in 1994, "I would certainly favor doing away with the Department of Energy, and I think that given the origins of the Department of Education, I would favor doing away with it as well."

FactCheck: "We couldn't find any other record of McCain mentioning this idea, and the quote is the only support the Obama campaign provided for its claim. Saying McCain 'proposed' abolishing the department, as if it were a legislative initiative, is misleading."

Politifact: "Given the McCain campaign’s pledge to fully fund the No Child Left Behind Act, and in that way endorse the expanded federal role in education that law calls for, it seems unlikely McCain has any intention of abolishing the Department of Education should he be elected."

If anything, McCain's record on education funding and the Department of Education is mixed. Democrats, in general, propose and vote for greater public education funding than Republicans, and it could be argued it isn't clear what the education agenda of a President McCain would be. But Obama's ad is a bit breezy with the fairness of the facts it presents.

Biden's speeches stretch it sometimes, too
Also, Biden, according to FactCheck.org, has been creating a "skewed impression" of McCain's record when it comes to McCain on "small borrowers," as well as what McCain has said on the GI Bill.

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I listened to Obama on CNN Live and his measured and intelligent manner sure gives me a lot more confidence . . . .

Billy, Texas (Sent Friday, September 19, 2008 11:54 AM)

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Let me guess. You buy cars for the price on the sticker.
You know....I don't think it stretches it at all. McCain and Palin deserve it.

Fight fire with fire.

If the media would keep a tally, I am sure you would find Mccain WAY ahead at the lying game.
How about a taste of your own medicine McCain?
obama's nuances are forgivable
not bold face lies of manchurian candidate
talking to brainless populace.
Blaming Obama for this crisis is like McCain't blaming Obama for $4 per gallon gas.

Bill, Philadelphia (Sent Friday, September 19, 2008 12:03 PM)
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Bill, you are right. We can't blame something on someone like Obama because he hasn't done anything. Ever. It's all theories and graphs and ideas and charts for Obama. None of his ideas have ever been implemented. It's all academic.



KYD 70 Sc is kind of looking desperate with all the postings.  No one is buying.  McToo Old and Polly Palin have nothing to offer anyone in this nation unless they're already quite well off or just need their Limbaughbutts rubbed.  The republicant candidate is an adultering wife abandoner, Keating Five theif and is losing his mental abilities.  
Oh, but how on earth could the Annointed One LIE???
Thank you First Read for posting the other side for once.

Now, could you write about Sandra Bernhard's threats to Palin?  Bernhard saying if Palin goes to NYC she will have an army of black guys (her words!) to rape Palin.  Obama continues to prove he has shady friends, associates and supporters.
Oh gee...be still my heart.  You mean BOTH sides are doing it?

What it comes down to is:  Who's doing it more, and whose ads are more malicious?

McCain.  And...McCain.
So let me get this straight.

McCain did say that he favored abolishing the Department of Education, but it is misleading to point that out, because he didn't propose it as a "legislative initiative"?

Nobody said he did . . . this entire post is 100% BS.

Everything in the ad is TRUE. Period.

Why is John McCain given so much deference by the media when he is an unrepentent liar?
Obama is "cherry-picking" McCain's record?  Like fruit from the low-hanging tree?  So what's your problem?  It's not Obama's fault there's so much fruit there to pick.

And who doesn't like cherries?
There's a difference between being "square" and flat out lying. I've never been inundated with so many lies from politicians than what I've seen coming from Republicans. Look, Republicans subscribed to the Rovian way of doing things and thus being responsible for many of these issues we're dealing with today. So, that said, Obama has earned the right stretch it just a bit don't you think?
FR & MSM -

Don't give in to the McCain campaign's crap -

Cherrypicking one's record is one thing - but saying Obama wants sex ed for kindergartners and he called Palin a pig is in a different universe. Not to mention they lie about the bridge to nowhere and that Obama will raise everyones taxes on a daily basis -

It is your responsibility to this nation to make this distinction forcefully and clearly. Don't fall in to the weak and grossly inaccurate trap of "both sides do it".

The Republicans are shameless Liars, and Obama has, and will continue to beat the crap out of McCain until the election as he should. But he has not and will not stoop to the same level.

And for you donkeys that say Obama has had more negative ads since the converntions - that study does NOT address lying in the ads. Everyone has widely reported and accurately so that McCain is running a sleazy smear campaign. Again - a totally different universe that needs to be made clear to the electorate.

Obama / Biden 2008

This comes as no surprise to me.  I am long past the time when I give any credence to political ads.  These ads have no effect on how I will vote.
And Mr. Obama's record on writing legislation in support of education?  Oh that's right, he has no experience writing....or driving.....or passing any legislation of any kind.
Heaven forbid!! Untruths in a presidential campaign. Even sports teams get a pass for dirty tricks if they win a championship. The graveyard is full of "good guys". I wonder how long Ol' Todd and Sarah can keep a lid on it. They are used to squashing any bug in their path. They are in the big leagues now and it might prove to much for them. I am just waiting for the "big gaffe" by Todd on you tube.
There is a HUGE difference between somone misleading one or two facts in thier statements and someone who tells very blunt LIES repeatedly every time he (and she) opens their mouth!!!!

Obama/Biden 08/12!!
So which is better, stretching the truth or telling flat out lies?  MCain does both.  
http://twocanpete.blogspot.com/
Obama really needs to talk about the fact that McCain wants to tax health insurance benefits for those lucky enough to have them. This could result in a big tax bill at the end of the year for working Americans!
All of them stretch the truth just a bit sometimes; even to the point of being absurd.  This is to be expected.  I hope that no one is surprised about that.  The question is who stretches and distorts the truth more than the other.
So give us a score. A ratio of lies to truth for each candidate. It could become a new political KPI kinda like the Keith number. We could call it the Montanaro Ratio. For short we could call it the MontRat er maybe The Full Monty. Yeah! thats the ticket!
Stretching the facts, putting a spin on the message, etc., are to be expected however much we would prefer this not occur.  We all have our biases.  But the Republicans engage in pure invention.  There is no "spin" on saying Palin didn't ask for earmarks as governor for Alaska, for example -- this is simply a lie.  For the Republicans unconscionable acts of deliberate deception have become standard operating procedure.
This is dumb...there is a big difference between telling outright lies like Mccain and Palin are doing and selectively pointing out anothers record such as Obama has been accused of doing...but

There are enough of the easily conned and poorly educated on the right who don't care about facts and degrees of truth...they still think Iraq had something to do with 911


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