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McCain appears wrong on Fannie pay

Posted: Friday, September 19, 2008 4:43 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Mark Murray and NBC/NJ's Adam Aigner-Treworgy
On the campaign trail in Minnesota today, McCain incorrectly suggested that the executive pay that former Fannie Mae CEOs Frank Raines and Jim Johnson earned came from taxpayers.

"That same executive got $21 million of your money," McCain said of Johnson. "And the other CEO, another supporter of Senator Obama, Mr. Raines got $25 million of your money. Let's tell them to give it back. Let's tell them to give it back."

Lucian Bebchuk of Harvard Law School, an expert on corporate governance, confirmed to First Read that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were private companies until being recently taken over by the federal government (which came after Raines' and Johnson's tenures).

Bebchuk said that maybe McCain was referring to past Fannie shareholders in the audience when he asserted that the executive compensation was "your money." Or perhaps McCain was making the point -- very loosely -- that now the federal government has taken over Fannie, any money that Raines or Johnson received is money taxpayers no longer have. But both assertions, he said, would be stretches.

Rich Ferlauto, the director of corporate governance and pension investment at the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees -- a union which has endorsed Obama in the presidential contest -- was more blunt about Raines' and Johnson's compensation

"It was not taxpayer money," he said. "It was shareholder money."

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Could someone from Barrack's campaign please please make these corrections before people who do not tune in to check facts believe them?

Let's not allow this election to get stolen once again. Put out the fire of lies while they have not done damage yet by spreading.
Issue adds, what have you to make these clarifications.

Thanks!
thinking, reading, and learning are very important. someone should explain this to the republicans
FACT-CHECKERS, START YOUR ENGINES!

Obama/Biden '08!
What else is new? John McCain's "Straight-Talk Express" is off the rails!
Does FR have five year olds doing it's investigative work? Or Olbermmann and Crissie? Same thing I guess.
http://twocanpete.blogspot.com/
Actually that money came from mortgage payments allready made, not that taxpayers won't be kicking in plenty in the near future.
Straw grasping is what mr 894/899 is doing right now.  His lovely attempt at diversion i.e polly-wanna-cracker-palin, is beginning to show signs of the rot of his campaign.  

What underwear does 894/899 prefer??  Depends.  He just won't admit it.  
OR, maybe McCain meant that since money is fungible, the cash they got from the bank after depositing their paychecks MAY have been once been used by audience members.  It's quite possible those bills could have circulated in Minnesota beforehand.  I like another theory better---McCain is clueless
And Obama thinks the world is flat and ruled by apes.
Appears wrong?

Is wrong.

Again.

Plus he is up to his eyeballs in Fannie and Freddie himself - 19 people on his campaign - what a hypocrite.


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_09/014796.php
This guy ( McCain) got nothing and I do mean nothing.
He is having a very senior moment this week and it looks as though it is getting out of hand.
It seems that if he doesn`t have it written out for him that he doesn`t have the slightest idea what the hell he is talking about.
Anyone surprised? McCain has been wrong a lot in recent weeks.



Obama/Biden '08
Surprise, Surprise, McCain said something that is not true. This man has lost his mind and is throwing any s*** against the wall hoping it will stick.

He wants us to trust him, what a joke.


Does someone actually still listen to this little TROLL and his talking parrot with lipstick?

Enough!!!
Enough of her shrill voice.  I am a woman and I am beginning to really despise this one.  

Lies, cover-ups, affairs, unlawfulness, accusations, dishonesty, deceit, pretense, devisive lies and hate, secrets…  

We’ve only known of you for 3-4 weeks and we have already had…
                ENOUGH

McCANT & MsPAIN, take a long vacation in SPAIN !!!

Leave the rest of us alone!!!



YOU, "my friends" are the ones NOT ready to lead !!!



Let see if this one get posted.
Hell you have not posted anything I have sent in today.


This guy ( McCain) got nothing and I do mean nothing.
He is having a very senior moment this week and it looks as though it is getting out of hand.
It seems that if he doesn`t have it written out for him that he doesn`t have the slightest idea what the hell he is talking about.
Ooh  I like this: Carly Fiornia, give my money back!
I have gone from an avid supporter and admirer of John McCain to being so embarrassed and ashamed I can't even watch him on TV. Being old is no excuse for a lack of education! Anyone with even a vague understanding of Fannie and Freddie know they weren't government owned!
I would have been shocked if McCain was right because, now, I just assume everything that comes out of his mouth is either a lie or uninformed bluster.
Is McCain ever right on anything? Maybe it would be easier if you notified us when he was right - you may have a lot less to type!

Straight Talk Express has been completely derailed!
"On the campaign trail in Minnesota today, McCain incorrectly suggested that the executive pay that former Fannie Mae CEOs Frank Raines and Jim Johnson earned came from taxpayers."

You mean he LIED?  Who could have guessed?

Even Bebchuk's excuses and spin is admittedly a stretch.  That's pretty bad.  At this point, the only thing that can save the McCain-Palin campaign (or is it Palin-McCain, Sarah?) is for Sarah to DEMAND a meeting with somebody who has BIG economic chops- you know, like a Warren Buffett, or someone.

Wait, what?  He was already on stage today with Obama?  Oh, nevermind, then.
Here is a let-down of fact-checking.  It picks specific points and analyizes them.  John McCain is clearly trying a guilt-by-associationn, see Rush Limbaugh vs. McCain on immigration ad.

That's what is happening here, simple.  The real losers of this strategy is the American people.  I ask, weren't these guys supposed to be putting the country first?
Is McCain the most unintelligent candidate we have ever had or what? Yes that includes the current white house occupant...
so mccant is delusional,how else do you explain these many many misstatements, or else he is a liar.
I don't think the campaign and we the voters can keep up with the constant stream of lies being stated by John and Sarah. They do not speak any truth.

Nothing they say can be trusted.
I am telling you, Mccain is losing it. Anyone wanna bet? before the end of the month, he is going to drop the N word.
...So many juicy LIES to choose from today!!

But, MSNBC, do NOT be distracted by all the lies:  Raines is ****NOT***** an advisor to Obama.  The 'ad' that McCain is running is offensive and ugly...and it's SOOO much uglier because Raines is NOT even advising.  

Ridiculous!!
Clueless...
Just another senior moment again...
MSNBC...let's not let facts muddy the proverbial waters shall we.

but...but...but...He's a POW
If John McCain and Sarah Palin would stop lying, they would not have much to say would they, my friends?
MAYBE HIS A.. IS TOO OLD TO BE PRESIDENT!  MAYBE HIM AND SARAH NEEDS A CLASS TO BRING THEM UP TO SPEED!  MAYBE LEIBERMAN SHOULD HAVE BEEN HIS VP PICK SO HE COULD WISPER THE ANSWERS IN HIS EAR!

WAKE UP AMERICA, THIS ELECTION IS TOO CRITICAL

OBAMA/BIDEN 08
McCain has already destroyed his chances at this election. Palin continues to help throw the last bit of dirt over both their coffins. This race is over.
This is getting to be funnier and funnier all the time. What lind of campaign managers does McCain have, anyway? I think he should call a staff meeting before he makes any of these ridiculous "observations". The scary thing about it is the posslibility that he already has. Can't American people see the obvious? Obama surrounds himself with skillful campaign advisors and McCain doesn't. I would think that any intelligent person can see that a President McCain would surround himself with the same quality of advisors while Obama would have a cabinet of Clinton quality. (Can you say James Carville?) We are electing a President, but we are also electing a person who should know what kind of people he needs to surround himself with. McCain doesn't have a clue!
How many days in a row will McCain misspeak about something?  Maybe msnbc should run a running clock on this.  Better yet run a banner across the screen anytime you show one of the McCain rally's stating all of the stuff he says might not be true.
Why should Obama have to correct the false allegations by the McCain campaign? Can't the networks and newspapers help set the record straight? Just curious!!
Facts smacts.  GWB never let the truth get in his way either.  You can expect more pearls from the Lipsticked elephants before this is over.
THIS HAS GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL!!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!
Dan... don't sweat the lil stuff.  McCain is losing ground and the confidence in the American voters.  He's being called out on lie after lie and the swing voters are becoming rather sick of hearing the lies.  

Gallup has Obama up by 5%... 49-44.  But the real numbers are better.  Based on the three day averages of +1, +7, +7... Obama is widening his gap.

McCain getting on TV every 15 minutes and changing his positions make him seem too eager to over react as opposed to gathering with his "advisors" and coming up with a solid position.  

People are starting to see thru these shenanigans
Does this guy EVER know what he's talking about?
Too complicated for McCain.



Dipstick/Lipstick 08!
McCain seems to be out of touch with what is going on.  Is this who we want as our leader?
mcshame said what he did because he and palin are both clueless.  palin just recently said the same thing recently.  
Does the mccain camp EVER factcheck anything?  How irresponsible to shoot off at the mouth daily abunch of inuendos and misinformation.  
It is appalling to think that this mentality has any support!
Seriously - I want Obama camp to respond to this mess it is just not cool they keep lying and moving on with know one calling a liar a liar ... we all know the devil is a liar but Eve bite the fruit.... the madness needs to stop now! Americans love them and my Country to death are not that wise.... they will look for anything to add to their bias ways and if Obama do not check them the lie will be the reason! Let's report the truth and shame the devil
Who in the world can believe or pay attention to
what Mccain says??
It is just one lie after another.
The man has sold his soul to the devil.
I am getting "LIES BLIND"!!!

Why isn't the medida calling him and Palin out on these lies?

Is everyone in the media afraid of the Republicans?
Gosh, you would think that Al Capone was still alive!
It amazes me how these Republicans can continue to Lie and get away with it. Are 40% to 50% of Americans that stupid. I really want to know the answer to that. Someone should do a poll on it. 8 years was not enough, lies was not enough, solutions was not enough, so what will it take. Do these people need to be hit in the head before waking up from this nightmare or have the Republicans specialized in Hypnotizing people.
Olamo economic plan? He's going to start taxing those 8 additional states he invented.
The All Talk Express is at it again!

MCCain is either a liar, or he's just plain stupid.  Which is worse ?
Any reason why McCain wanted the resignation of the FEC (Federal Election Commission) as he stated in his speech this morning?  Last I checked he had nothing to do with the country's financial mess.  Did he mean SEC or was this yet another McCain error?

John McCain=Washington, and Washington is broken!


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