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McCain vs. Obama: The bailout

Posted: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:31 AM by Domenico Montanaro

It's a good, old-fashioned lobby campaign on the Hill this week. "Congressional Democrats began to set their own terms on Sunday for a plan to rescue the nation’s financial institutions, including greater legislative oversight of the Treasury Department, more direct assistance for homeowners and limits on the pay of top executives whose firms seek help. The Democrats’ demands came as Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. blanketed the Sunday talk shows to promote the Bush administration’s $700 billion bailout package, emphasizing that it was needed not just for Wall Street, but for all Americans. He urged Congress to move swiftly to approve a “clean” rescue plan without tacking on extra programs."

Video: TODAY’s Meredith Vieira talks to Republican presidential candidate John McCain, who says the economy, though fundamentally strong, is facing its “most serious crisis since World War II.”

More: "Still, competing interests were already complicating the negotiations, as Democrats pushed for assistance for distressed homeowners and for oversight authority of the bailout program. Some lawmakers also said they did not want to be rushed into approving extraordinary new powers for the Treasury secretary and the government without full consideration of the consequences."

And: "Congressional Republicans, too, put the Bush administration on notice that they would not rubber-stamp the bailout proposal but would insist on a number of changes, including specific protections for taxpayers. Those would include a requirement that any profits from the program be returned to the Treasury.

So will both Obama and McCain come back to DC to vote on the bailout? In interviews with John Harwood of CNBC and the New York Times, "Senators John McCain and Barack Obama warned Sunday that there should be more oversight built into the government’s $700 billion plan to stabilize the financial markets but said the potentially enormous expenditure would not force them to scale back their ambitious governing agendas."

Both McCain and Obama "agreed in separate interviews that steps should be taken to ensure taxpayer dollars are not used to enrich the executives of troubled financial firms bailed out by the government. They echoed each other in assessing the threat from the financial crisis as severe enough to warrant government intervention. But Mr. McCain said in an interview here with CNBC and The New York Times that he would press on with his plan to extend the Bush tax cuts and to cut others. Contrary to the warnings of fiscal analysts, he said he believed he could do so and balance the federal budget, which was falling deeper into deficit even before the financial crisis, by the end of his first term.”

”… In a separate interview earlier in the day, Mr. Obama said that despite the huge new government obligation, he would press ahead with his plans to overhaul the health care system to insure more people, make college tuition more affordable, give a tax cut to the middle class and raise taxes on those making over $250,000 a year. "

Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson's power is about to be enhanced like no Treasury secretary ever. And he's only going to be in office another four months. Is that smart? Doesn't that mean Paulson's going to be hard for either McCain or Obama to get rid of when they come into office?
 
Because of this, speculation is already starting about whom either would appoint. "All of this has ignited speculation about whom Senator Barack Obama or Mr. McCain might name as Treasury secretary if elected president. The consensus in both parties is now that the next secretary must -- like Mr. Paulson, formerly chief executive of Goldman Sachs, one of only two surviving investment banks -- be well versed in financial markets." 
 
Obama, the Democratic nominee, does not rule out retaining Mr. Paulson, a Republican. The two have spoken almost daily since Treasury put the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into government conservatorships two weeks ago, and Mr. Obama speaks highly of Mr. Paulson. ‘Getting a new person to start juggling those balls is going to be tricky,’ Mr. Obama said in an interview aboard his campaign plane Saturday. ‘Regardless of who wins the election, the issue of transition to the next administration is going to be very important. And it’s going to have to be executed with a spirit of bipartisanship and cooperation.’”

”But Obama advisers say it is more likely that he would pick someone new. The names bandied about before the financial crisis remain among the main prospects now, they say, though the turmoil has altered the calculations about each person. They include Timothy F. Geithner, 47 and a protégé of one of President Bill Clinton’s Treasury secretaries, Robert E. Rubin. As president of the New York Federal Reserve, Mr. Geithner has had a supporting role in managing the crisis. Also mentioned are two Clinton cabinet veterans: Laura Tyson, 61, former chairwoman of both the White House National Economic Council and the Council of Economic Advisers, and Lawrence H. Summers, 53, Treasury secretary for Mr. Clinton’s final year and a half. Both are economists and have been part of the core of advisers Mr. Obama has been consulting lately, along with Mr. Rubin and Paul A. Volcker, a former Federal Reserve chairman.” 
 
Here's a lead the McCain campaign wants in some battleground state newspapers today. From the New York Daily News:  "With Wall Street's binge likely to become Main Street's hangover, John McCain launched his sharpest shots to date Sunday night at fellow Republican George W. Bush. ‘I say the Bush administration has failed,’ McCain said on ‘60 Minutes’ after agreeing that he placed ‘a great deal’ of responsibility on the President for the financial meltdown. Then, perhaps trying to broaden his salvo, McCain added, ‘I say the Congress has failed, Democrats and Republicans. I remind you the Democrats have had the majority in Congress for the last two years. So everybody's failed.’” 
 
So who knew McCain was such a fan of Andrew Cuomo?
 
Bloomberg's Al Hunt sees Obama handling last week better than McCain.

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Just what we need, the idiots that let all this happen having oversight over the attempted recovery. And Obama wants to control health care this way too? Some advice for you young people out there - stay healthy!!
”… In a separate interview earlier in the day, Mr. Obama said that despite the huge new government obligation, he would press ahead with his plans to overhaul the health care system to insure more people, make college tuition more affordable, give a tax cut to the middle class and raise taxes on those making over $250,000 a year. "

Of course, Obama forgot to say that he'd be doing all this with Monopoly money.  I hope he's joking.  With the financial situation with face just taking on another trillion in debt, HOW IN THE HELL WILL YOU PAY FOR IT, OBAMA?
http://twocanpete.blogspot.com/
Typical for the Repubs. The former chairman of AIG gets a $47 million package for screwing the American taxpayer out of countless billions! More good news to come.
After everything that this administration has put it's citizens through, 'rubber-stamping' anything is bad.

I don't know what a good solution to these economic problems would be -- but I do know that simply handing over $700 billion without reading the fine print is a bad idea.

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We should never, ever trust that crooked Paulson with any more power as he is a clueless steward of the economy and a friend to the white collar criminal crowd that brought Wall Street low.  In between him and that Snow job predecessor of his we know who to blame for the economic ills, the whole republican party.

I don't trust Paulson and the incompetent Bush administration and this phony baloney $700 billion taxpayer bailout of Wall Street.  I hope the Democrats make sure that it also helps people stay out of foreclosure and that the greedy fools on Wall Street get their pay packages slashed big time.

Go Obama/Biden 08/12!
Republicans want $700 billion to bail out greedy, negligent banks but think provisions for oversight and homeowner protections will be "dirty"?

I never, never, ever, ever want to hear from another conservative that universal health care coverage is too expensive.
McCain blaming Obama for the financial debacle is like McCain trying to blame me when he can't find his depends. Why isn't anybody talking about how much money MCain took from Keating?
First Read: John McCain and Barack Obama warned Sunday that there should be more oversight built into the government’s $700 billion plan to stabilize the financial markets but said the potentially enormous expenditure would not force them to scale back their ambitious governing agendas."


Oh good gosh!! May God have mercy on all of our souls.
When will the media DEMAND that the Republican Party take responsibility for the devastating results of their trickle down voo-doo economics over the past decade?

There is a CLEAR culprit here, and it is the Republican Party policy of DEREGULATION. Period.

Quit trying to muddy the waters - John McCain is a liar, and the Republicans are to blame. They sell the working stiffs on Republican "principles" and the keep all the INTEREST!

So government should stay out of our lives - except when it is time to save Wall Street's A$$?

You have got to be KIDDING ME, right?

Are these the same Republicans who wouldn't vote for the S-CHIP children's health insurance bill because it helped TOO MANY kids? I'll bet that program cost less than 700 BILLION dollars!

It is just UNFORGIVEABLE what is going on in America right now - and almost half the people can't figure out WHO KEEPS SCREWING THEM OVER . . . here's a clue - it's NOT Mexicans and it's NOT Al Quada - it's your friendly neighborhood REPUBLICAN.

Get a clue folks.
Obama handled the events of last week in the calm, cool, and collected matter of a leader this country so desperately needs during these times.

McCain on the other hand gaffed, bumbled, slung mud and lied his way through the week, blaming Obama for everything that has happened on Wall Street.

And McCain wants to start this week with a Rezko ad?

Time for Obama to play the Keating 5 card for all its worth. He can bring it out in the open and educate those who don't know what it entails.
Let's contrast and compare:

In 2005, John McCain introduced legislation to control Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac because he foresaw this meltdown from the out of control lending practices;

Since 2006, Barack Obama has recieved over 70,000 dollars in contrabutions from Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac.

John McCain wants to fire the inept head of the SEC whose office is charged with preventing exactly the kind of market manipulation which led to the crisis;

Barack Obama thinks Cox did a fine job, and should stay.

John McCain understands that you do not raise taxes in an economic slowdown;

Barack Obama thinks that the laws of economics do not apply to him.

Guess who I'm voting for?
700 billion and this goof still want to give a tax cut to the rich, man when is he going to realise that the tax cut that bush gave to the rich and the low interest rates is what got us in this MESS!!! also these banks sould pay the piper for this, they allowed people to buy houses that should have never been able to do so!!
now what about main street, the auto industry.
thanks to GWB the SURPLUS we had 8 years ago is goan and now we are in a real mess.
Who's fault is this now?
Special interests get help, american workers get entertained with political scare tactics.
Trusting McCain with the economy, is like trusting the fox to watch the hen house...remember the Keating 5?
So... let me make sure I understand Johnnie's position.  The fat cats that looted companies that went under and/or the ones that received these golden parachutes should be asked to "return the money".  

McClown told supporters the other day that Mr. Johnson (the guy that initially vetted potential VP candidates but was later dumped) and Mr. Raines (a guy that has never advised Obama) got about 20-25 Million for leaving Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.  McClown tells the crowd... they should ask for their money back.... yet when he finds out Ms. Fiorina got 47M from HP... it's because she did a good job!!

If this doesn't tell people this guy is full of crap... nothing will.  He turns a blind eye towards his campaign staff and tries to talk about two people that aren't involved in Obama's campaign.

Another point... apparently McClown hasn't ruled out Phil Gramm heading up the Treasury Dept... yet he continues to talk about adding regulation?  

Folks... you've got the guy that dumped all regulation on Wall street and who called America a "nation of whiners"-- that will in all likelihood head up the treasury, under McClown... you really think this guy is serious about regulation???

You vote for this guy and you get what you deserve.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/22/mccain-defends-fiorinas-g_n_128277.html
This is far too complicated to really deal with quickly or neatly.  The Secretary of the Treasury can have the power he's seeking, but it should be reviewed every 2 years to be sure it isn't being abused.  

The one reason that think was a major contributor was the fact that there were banks stupid enough not to require any income verification.  There were places that were just giving money away, and Greenspan let it happen.
The gov't doesn't want to bail out those unworthy dirtbags who got into houses that they knew they couldn't afford.  

The gov't doesn't want to bail out those unworthy dirtbags who can't afford their own healthcare.  

But, oh lord, the gov't desperately wants to bail out the businesses (unworthy dirtbags) who made investments that everyone knew were bad and they are going to do it using the tax money of the very people they accused of being unworthy dirtbags!  Bastards!
”… In a separate interview earlier in the day, Mr. Obama said that despite the huge new government obligation, he would press ahead with his plans to overhaul the health care system to insure more people, make college tuition more affordable, give a tax cut to the middle class and raise taxes on those making over $250,000 a year. "

Of course, Obama forgot to say that he'd be doing all this with Monopoly money.  I hope he's joking.  With the financial situation with face just taking on another trillion in debt, HOW IN THE HELL WILL YOU PAY FOR IT, OBAMA?
mccain palin 08

Easy - If we stop the war in Iraq and spending millions every week as well as spending millions to rebuild Iraq while they have millions in surplus!  Of course, McCain still wants to continue that war no matter what the price, or whether we can pay for it!
Let's see, McCain's campaign manager Rick Davis was paid over $2 million by a front group funded by Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae to fight stricter regualtion.  And his chief economic adviser Phil Gramm wrote the laws that loosened regulation.  And he supported the war that led to the creation of Al Aqeda in Iraq.  Sounds good to me.  
This article seems to assume that the bailout is a done deal.  Was it from the beginining.  What did we learn from the S&L crisis. Nothing about stopping such things and evidently nothing about bailing it out.  How do we keep politicians from pressuring regulators to look the other way (Keating 5)The good old boy network is about to work again.  

Sell property to somone who can't afford it.
Suck as money out of them as possible.
Suck as much money as possible out of the taxpayer bailout
Buy the property back for pennies on the dollar.
Ten years later start agian

They don't have to worry about us paying attention with all the talk about lipstick and such.  The media will push it through just like they did the last 2 elections and the war. The democracy is doomed now that we don't have a functioning news media.  

Maybe move to Dubai and live with the Bushes.
Hold on to your wallets, taxpayers!  The fox (Paulson) guarding the henhouse is about to transfer more wealth from Main Street to Wall Street.  The only way to sell this toxic paper is to artificially inflate the value of housing, thereby increasing the debt exposure of average Americans.  The bankers will be made whole but foreclosures will accelerate.  Next Spring most of the toxic ARM's will hit the streets and the homeless shelters will be bursting at the seams.
"Mr. McCain said .... he would press on with his plan to extend the Bush tax cuts and to cut others. Contrary to the warnings of fiscal analysts, he said he believed he could do so and balance the federal budget, which was falling deeper into deficit even before the financial crisis, by the end of his first term.”

This is from a guy who insisted that he didn't know too much about economics! Who's he listening to? His campaign manager was paid tens of millions by the investment banks to lobby for no regulation?
McCain? More of the same.
No More Years!!!
I don't like a "bail out " if these companies are that bad then the gov, should BUY they debt, fire the CEO's and upper management,( with no golden parachute ) then sell the company back to a American company or investor. These big companies should be no better than any small business, except they hold our economy over a barrel and we can't let them collaspe.
If Bush has failed, then the Republicans have failed!  That means YOU HAVE FAILED! John McCain!

You are part of the problem--not the solution.
Any financial entity with a hand out - first needs to clean house administratively & NO walking out the door with the taxpayers $$$.

Any speculators that walked away from their investment mortgages: you just became a 'renter or a I can only buy a new home with cash' member of society for the remainder of your citizenship!

Shareholders of rescued entities: you're locked out from selling or dumping shares as soon as your firms unload your bad debt on the taxpayers of America!


Whatever happens; it better be accompanied by some major accountability checks or else my VOTE is NO to any bailout!

Maybe the citizens of New Orleans should administer the federal rescue / 'dole out' to the financial institutions. I'm sure they'd respond just as rapidly as McBush's FEMA did for them after Katrina!!!!
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Government Choke Hold is great book with lots of ideas and sollutions. I highly recommend it. Its got everything from abortion to taxes in a small easy to read book. check it out.
McShame just stonewalled Meredith's questions. "I haven't seen the details"  blahblahblah when asked about the golden parachutes for corp. CEO's and those on his team even!!!   What a mush mouth liar.


Let's contrast and compare:

In 2005, John McCain introduced legislation to control Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac because he foresaw this meltdown from the out of control lending practices;

Since 2006, Barack Obama has recieved over 70,000 dollars in contrabutions from Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac.

John McCain wants to fire the inept head of the SEC whose office is charged with preventing exactly the kind of market manipulation which led to the crisis;

Barack Obama thinks Cox did a fine job, and should stay.

John McCain understands that you do not raise taxes in an economic slowdown;

Barack Obama thinks that the laws of economics do not apply to him.

Guess who I'm voting for?

no joe, no bo, nj

Well no joe, no bo, nj - Your facts are a little skewed here.  McCAin's legislation was really to get the government out of Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac TOTALLY and not to really regulate them.  He also has someone on his campaign who received money from Freddie Mac and Fannie May.  

John McCain (even as president) does NOT have the power to fire the head of the SEC and blaming him is ridiculous!  Blame the republicans INCLUDING John McCain who was all for de-regulation, virtually tying the hands of Cox.  Obama has been saying for years that regulations need to be improved and reinstated.

As far as lowering taxes, McCain's main people who benefit from the lower taxes, are the wealthy people, like the CEO's who are already screwing America!  Obama wants to help the middle class, and you would get back a lot more taxes if you are middle class under Obama than McCain!!!!!
Attn: "no joe" - your entire post seems false.

Your assertion:  "In 2005, John McCain introduced legislation to control Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac because he foresaw this meltdown from the out of control lending practices."

FALSE:  Chuck Hagel introduced S. 190 (The Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005).  McCain was a later co-sponsor (though evidently not in time to be listed as a sponsor on the text of the bill).  McCain's comments on his support for the bill did not mention "out of control lending practices" or any impending "meltdown".  He only mentioned being troubled with internal practices of inflating profit estimates to meet bonus targets (which has nothing to do with the lending practices themselves).  The 2005 bill never made it out of committee and when it was re-introduced by Hagel in 2007 (as S. 1100), McCain was not a co-sponsor.

The housing issues that the bill might have mitigated (not precluded) arose largely from deregulated lending practices from 2002-2005, which McCain supported.

From McCain's CBS interview (9/21/08): "Q: In 1999, you were one of the senators who helped pass deregulation of Wall Street. Do you regret that now? McCAIN: No. I think the deregulation was probably helpful to the growth of our economy."

McCain (2003): "I have a long voting record in support of deregulation."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_/ai_n14547240

McCain (2003): "I am a deregulator. I believe in deregulation."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0307/13/cnnitm.00.html

McCain (2008): [describing his planned efforts to improve the U.S. economy] "...they will be based not on big-government intervention, and not on raising your taxes, not on increasing government regulation, but unleashing the forces of the free market and capitalism."

Meanwhile, Gov. Palin argued with herself:  "This crisis happened for several reasons - several reasons which have to be addressed right now.  Guys and gals, our regulatory system is outdated and it needs a complete overhaul... Our economy will grow and we will get government out of the way of private sector progress."  Is that a call for more regulation through reduced government involvement?  What does that even mean?
Attn: "no joe"

Your assertion:  "Since 2006, Barack Obama has recieved [sic] over 70,000 dollars in contrabutions [sic] from Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac."

FALSE:  Go to: http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-and-freddie.html
What you will see is that the political action committees of those two organizations gave Obama $6,000 between 1989 and 2008.  For comparison, those same PACs gave Roy Blunt (R-MO) $78,500, John Boehner (R-OH) $60,500, Mitch McConnell (R-KY) $40,000, and Sam Brownback (R-KS) $14,250.  The individual employees of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made their own personal donations to Obama (just as most Americans can).  Those personal donations (an area in which Obama drastically outraises McCain) amount to $120,349.  You will also note that for democrats, 56% of contributions are from PACs and 44% are from individuals.  For republicans, 71% of contributions are from PACs and 29% are from individuals.  In fact, if you're concerned about collusion, you might consider that 3 of McCain's advisors - Rick Davis, Arthur Culvahouse, and Charlie Black - all lobbied for Fannie and Freddie.  Your assertion seems wrong on all counts.
I sent this e-mail to Senator Reid, Speaker Pelosi, Senate Finance Committee, Senat Banking Committee, House Finance Committe & House Banking Committee.

I have just read the administration's bailout proposal.  This is the height of insanity you can not allow them a blank check, with golden parachutes and no oversight.

My husband & I having worked and saved for our retirement have never taken the higher risks & returns of Wall Street we have, apparently, been stupid in keeping our funds in FDIC accounts.

We understand the need to stabilize the economy BUT this administration has so damaged this country it is long past time to say ENOUGH!!!!!

We plead with you to be as cautious getting us out of this mess as this administration, certain members of congress, Wall Street & their lobbyists were careless getting us into this mess.

Thank You.

Everyone needs to contact congress & express their views you can bet the lobbyists are working overtime right now!!!
Attn: "no joe"

Your assertion:  "John McCain wants to fire the inept head of the SEC whose office is charged with preventing exactly the kind of market manipulation which led to the crisis."

Factually Contradictory:  The Supreme Court has ruled that it is unconstitutional for the president to fire a commissioner.  Obama - a former constitutional law professor - knows that; McCain will learn it from the press.  As an indication of McCain's erratic nature, consider that McCain considered Cox - a former republican congressman, 2005 Bush appointee, and champion of deregulation - for the VP slot.  You can go here (http://archive.redstate.com/blogs/whacker77/2008/feb/20/i_endorse_chris_cox_for_the_vice_presidency) to read Cox's conservative credentials.  In any case, finding a scapegoat is easy; finding a solution is harder.  Given that McCain himself admits that he doesn't understand economics well, it's not surprising he would pick the scapegoat.  Cox has just been following the conservative economic plan that McCain has advocated (see McCain's response above regarding deregulation - i.e., limiting the power of the SEC).
Attn: "no joe"

Your assertion:  "Barack Obama thinks Cox did a fine job, and should stay."

FALSE:  Obama has said about asking for Cox's resignation, "I think that's all fine and good but here's what I think:  In the next 47 days you can fire the whole trickle-down, on-your-own, look-the-other way crowd in Washington who has led us down this disastrous path. Don't just get rid of one guy. Get rid of this administration. Get rid of this philosophy. Get rid of the do-nothing approach to our economic problem and put somebody in there who's going to fight for you."


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