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More numbers on the Palin effect

Posted: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:24 PM by Carrie Dann
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From NBC's Carrie Dann
On a day that kicks off the second week of coverage of the crisis on Wall Street, here's some new numbers that shed some retrospective light on the support that appeared to be gelling for McCain two weeks ago, when Palin’s name was on still everyone’s lips instead of Fannie’s, Freddie’s, and Secretary Paulson’s.

A new Lifetime TV poll – conducted at the tail end of the Palin bubble and before last week’s economic seachange – indicates a major post-pick swing towards McCain-Palin from women who say that the GOP ticket offers a “better understanding of women and what is important to women.”

In Lifetime’s previous poll in late July, Obama easily won that metric by a margin of 52% to McCain’s 18%.  But after the Republican nominee tapped the Alaska governor, who enjoyed a mostly positive opinion rating from 52% of respondents during the polling period, the percentage of women who responded that McCain better understands their needs jumped to 44%.  Forty-two percent of respondents answered that Obama would make a better Understander-in-Chief for women.

The breakdowns among that 26 point upswing for McCain on the “understanding” question? Since July, the GOP nominee garnered an increase of 38 points among 35-44 year old women; more than 35 points apiece among married women and moms; and a rise among Republican women. Only 39% of female GOP voters viewed McCain as the more woman-friendly candidate in July compared to 83% today.

Overall, the Obama-Biden ticket was favored by women by two percentage points, with 47% to McCain’s 45%.  Seven percent of respondents remain undecided. (The margin of error of the poll, conducted by pollsters Kellyanne Conway and Celinda Lake, was 4.4%.)

It’s important to keep in mind that the Lifetime numbers, collected 9/11-9/15, reflect the sentiments of voters when McCain and Palin were doing their first mega-rallies and when the news cycle was dominated by talk of “P.I.G.” instead of “A.I.G.”  But the Alaska governor’s rate of fandom among married women (60%), rural women (69%), and white women (59%) could help to insulate McCain against one trouble spot shown by the poll results; fully 25% more respondents believed that Obama, not McCain, will help the middle class more.

The Palin pick also appears to be a galvanizing force among rural voters as a whole, according to another new poll – also out today – from the Center for Rural Strategies.  Among respondents in the rural regions of thirteen battleground states, half said that Palin’s presence on the ticket has made them more likely to support McCain in November.  But the poll’s results, which showed a 51-41 advantage for McCain, also underscore the deafening concern over the economy that dominates voters’ decision making.  Fifty-one percent of the rural residents surveyed placed the economy and jobs at the top of the list, with other issues like energy (25%) and the war (21%) comparatively left in the dust. 

The Rural Strategies poll was conducted last week, Sept. 16-18.

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A sad day for America if people vote on anything but the issues.
It makes me sad that just by putting a woman on the ticket makes women assume that McCain understands them more. If they look at the issues that Palin is for and against, they would realize she makes the ticket even more against them. Sad state our country is in.
two contradicting points to the lifetime poll:
1. a good portion of sen. obama's volunteers - at least here in our area and i suspect elsewhere - are white, over 60 women who are working hard for sens. obama/biden for their children and grandchildren.
2. in many divided homes where the spouses differ on whom they support, it is the woman who is supporting sen. obama.
3. as a student of statistics, even i am beginning to question the authenticity of these poll. perhaps as we have become a nation divided with biases strong and convictions firm - whether true or not - a new methodology needs to used to filter for this; how i'm not quite sure, but then i'm not getting paid to know.
Rural, old, woman, white - - - - - - - all the criteria to support McCain.  I guess I just have to add one more - - - educated!

BUT

I can't stand Palin - - can't stand McCain - - - or anything they represent.

No way, no how, NO McCain/Palin
I guess it's the educated part that makes the difference!

Obama/Biden 08
Thank god you've finally devoted time to the all important Lifetime television metric. Surely now all Hallmark channel voters will finally have their say as well.

While I agree that Palin and McCain could make a groovy Harlequin romance, I seriously doubt this poll really tells the story of American women.
Never underestimate the stupidity of the american voter.  Bush?  Twice?  Now Palin shows repubs know what is important to women?  Well, they do...and they are against most of them.  In this day and age it is amazing people are still buying into the repub lies.
These numbers are a result only of having a woman on the ticket.  Now that we have become more aware of Palin's actual policies pertaining to women, any woman who actually thinks rather than only reacts, has realized that just because she's a woman doesn't necessarily mean that she supports issues that most women care about.  No birth control, no abortions under any circumstances, abstinence only sex education, creationism taught in schools, little support for programs addressing violence against women, war first, diplomacy maybe later, no focus on education & health care reform; I don't think so.
being a middle aged woman, Palin scares me. If women vote for McPain/Palin, just because she is a women, i fill sorry for them. I have been looking at all the issues, and feel that Obama/Biden has the answer for us, understanding that it is gonna take time.
Okayyyyy, 51 percent of the RURAL RESIDENTS placed the economy and jobs at the top of the list- but they're voting for MCCAIN??????  Enough said.

OBAMA/BIDEN, 2008!
No offence, ladies, but you must be AWFULLY poorly informed if you think McCain and Palin have more of an understanding on theneeds of women than Obama-Biden!  Who in god's name do you listen to for your political advice, anyway?!?
it's the economy stupid
McCain/Palin - BEST team to lead our country.
OBama is NOT qualified - Biden & Hillary told us so.
He will never be elected.
Liberals are so in denial. Keep ignoring the polls liberals. We can't wait to see the surprised look on your faces on November 5th.
Wow.  And here I thought U.S. women were getting smarter.  It appears most of the are Sarah Palins.  It turns out McCain is smarter than we thought.
I'm sure you can find a poll to report on the best reflects the current state of affairs. Anything before the 15th (lifetime poll) is too old.

How can her stand on health care which is the republican stand help with those who don't have any.  How can it help with the millions of children without healthcare.  
who said the rural masses are virtuous and wise?
The roars of the lynching populace are sooo Republican and will continue to be: nasty eager to kill mentality
go democrats go!
I wonder why women think that McCain/Palin will support them?  I have a hard time understanding this... What, specifically, will McCain/Palin do for women?  It's unfortunate and quite embarrassing for those of us who have really dug into each of the candidates.  Obama/Biden support equal pay, woman's right to choose, additional time off after having a baby - and they have strong women by their sides (Michelle and Jill Biden) who will play a big part in ensuring women's rights.  I'm an independent voter - no party ties.  But this type of coverage makes women look like they don't use their minds...
Hey Carrie,
It should be "here are", not "here's" some new number(s). Plural, you know. (Sorry, but this is SUCH a pet peeve of mine.  These numbers are a moot point.  McCain began losing the election the day that he said the "fundamentals" of the economy are strong. Until the economy ceases to be the most important issue (to men and women alike) he's in deep doo-doo.    
Who are these Lifetime women?  John McCain opposes a womans right to choose, opposes equal pay for equal work, voted against legislation aimed at protecting women from domestic violence, opposed the Children's Health Insurance Program and received a Z|E|R|O rating from the Children's Defense Fund.

Dear Lord, please tell me these women will wake up and get a clue.
Ye, Pailn truly understand women issues, like the one in case of rape where victom have to fince the test by herself. You can only fool me once.

McCain was right pickin Palin, because those women that who fall for that are dumb.
The sad fact of the matter is that there are plenty of people in this country who would rather vote for someone who they can "relate to" over someone who can actually lead.  They can "relate to" someone who doesn't really know that much about the economy because they don't really know that much about the economy themselves.  They can "relate to" someone who takes the time to make sure her hair is just right because they just spent the last hour and a half at the salon.  But they cannot relate to someone who is smarter than 99% of the people in this country, or someone who understands the world at a higher level.  They would rather just label that person as elitist and ignore the fact that that person is far and away the best person for the job.
For the life of me, I cannot believe that women actually believe that, that old geezer who still possesses a fighter pilot jock mentality actually has the slightest clue about women's issues.  Give me a break!
Oil is up $25 today. Yes, you read that right. Up $25. That's because Congress is dragging it's feet and playing politics with this bill. This is inserting uncertainty in the market. Pelosi and Reid have got to be the worst leaders ever.

Nancy and Harry - this problem is real! Get your sorry butts in gear!
Both Democrats and Republicans are at fault for this economic situation.  Frankly, the downturn started after 9/11/01.  The economic situation will not be remedied in only four years and most people can see that McCain has the experience to get us through this tough cycle.  Obama on the other hand still can't decide what to do....he can't vote PRESENT so he is out of his comfort zone in a crisis and therefore at a loss.  John McCain has the experience and fortitude to lead this country and Sarah Palin is the kind of woman that will get things done in Washington.  McCain/Palin have my vote.
The more people see of Sarah Palin, the more her numbers drop. Granted, she was a new face with an interesting story when McCain picked her, but on further examination, she is a small time politician with little or no knowledge of the lower 48. She would be a disaster if McCain were to die in office and leave us with President Palin.
STill....no talk of the issues, more Palin, Palin, Palin.  It's the same story on repeat.  ANd LIfetime is now doing polls?  Guess who watches that channel, sit at home rich republican moms.   Next can we get a Discovery channel poll on how the Dems have united against Palin and that impact...
Chuck -- These numbers sure don't sound current.
Last week's poll showed a 20% drop in her support among women.

The last poll I saw showed more men supporting her than women!

Women are talking and emailing:
- Charged women for rape kits in Wasilla
- Supported the Bridge to Nowhere
- Cover up in TROOPERGATE
- Major recipient of EARMARKS
- Major recipient of BIG OIL MONEY
- Major foreign policy qualification SHE CAN SEE RUSSIA FROM HER HOUSE!

Republican leaders call this pick A INSULTING JOKE!

Veterans for Obama!
This will likely go down, now that the economy has taken center stage. Also, on CNN, there is a story that women were charged for their rape kits in Wasilla during Palin's tenure as mayor. That's pretty indefensible.
Well I don't understand what it means to be a "women".  I do understand what it means to be a President or a VP.  From what I know about each candidate and their VP pick is that Obama's plan is far better and more comprehensive than McCain's.  I just got done reading the Health Care Plan of both and under McCain's, unless I am in the 35% tax bracket and have a family, which I am not and do not have, I will be getting nothing out of it.  In fact, I will be loosing money and I can bet that companies when not taxed by this will not have that money go into the salaries of their workers unless it is in the top Exec level.
Well once those women get a look at Palin's record in Alaska I think they'll be voting for Obama. Everyone who supports Obama in rural areas needs to be sure and spread the truth about the Democratic ticket so all voters are high information voters!
Hopefully now those so enamoured with the first look at Palin will start to actually reading and learning about her and the disaster that would ensue if she and the old guy were to get elected.  Wake up, America!!
I really dont think the women in America are stupid,
We have 4 debates coming up and you can bet that women
will be watching. When they see, along with the rest of voting America what the candidates have to offer the shiney will fade from Gov. Palin. This woman has no business in this race, she is a farce. The GOP women and men are going to vote for McCain and thats that. The new registrations are the turning point in this election, the youth will vote. With the exceptions of a few racist and a few Hillary supporters the dems will come home after last week.
We will see more that will bring us together before Nov. 4th.  Count on it.
Obama/Biden
marty
Numbers mean something, but this election night, I'll keep my fingers crossed until all the actual numbers come in because I don't think polling--including the highly touted-as-reliable exit polling--is reliable at all.  There are so many factors weighing against it including the subject that is still not widely discussed: race.  Obama demonstrates that he understands how the cards are stacked, and I do hope that he wins.  But it's going to be a close shave.
Most of these groups, Republican women, white women, rural voters, and older women, are core constituencies who would've held their noses and voted for Sen. McCain anyway.  

The key is to see how Sens. Obama and Biden are doing compared to Kerry and Gore.  
That's right folks the GOP this year is givin you a chance to vote for people you are actually smarter than...that way they won't be able to put stuff over on ya.  Why doin this will make govment crystal clear and give the little man an overview.  Yes sir we got us a guy almost flunked out o college and a sweet little lady that jumped around school so much a lot of those d's look pretty darn good.  Don't ya'll be trustin those snot nose smart alec dem o crats now vote for that great American Hero Johnny McCain and our pistol packing momma Sarah Palin.  Stay smart vote stupid.
Palin's records and comments shows that she does not  care about women' issues.  She reminds me more of Phyllis Schlafly and Anita Bryant, not Hillary Clinton.  

I work for civil service and I DON'T WANT MCCAIN/PALIN IN MY CHAIN OF COMMAND!!!!!!!!

Women voters, if you want equal pay for equal work, national health insurance or day care, vote Obama/Biden.  If you don't, vote McCain/Palin
A 10-point rural advantage for McCain is poor, compared to Bush's 19-point rural vote victory over McCain in 2004.

Perhaps that is a fact that you might have wanted to reseach before making conclusions like you did.  It took me 30 seconds.
so what are you telling us! are you telling us that the palin effect is attracting women to the mccain camp and that The Palin pick also appears to be a galvanizing force among rural voters as a whole, according to another new poll – also out today – from the Center for Rural Strategies, yea no kidding, these are the samke folks that hillary went after in WVA, and TN,these were not going to vote for a black man any way!!
now the question is are these rural voters going to vote for mccain because of palin and vote against there best interest, IE health care, tax cut, ending the war in iraq, or are they going to make the same mistake for the 3rd time and vote a republican in to office that will send there jobs away, as well as tax them on there healthcare as well are give tax cuts to the rich, after the 700 billion we are giving to banks!!! banks that are forcing them from there homes,
the sarah palin pick will go down as one of the most racist, bigoted, pick ever. if the mccain palin ticket wins i hope they get what they asked for.
there sons will be drafted, the daughters will not be able to get an abortion because they were raped or a drunk uncle inpregnated them, but yes they will have what they want, a white man and woman in office that does not give a shit about them, only there vote.  
“better understanding of women and what is important to women.”

You have got to be kidding!!!!
Yes Palin will be the deciding factor. Come on when we turn to real life issues you will find that her effect will erode( aleady is). If the MSM would hammer her and McCain on not being available for a Press conference would help all of us to get to know her positions.
I must say, I am still shocked when I hear that people in this country believe that McCain putting Palin on his ticket equates to the GOP "understanding" women.  Palin represents the counter to everything women have spent the past 50 - 100 years fighting for - control over our bodies, equal pay for equal work, better funding for education, and social progams aimed at helping our families when times are tough.  Voters, you need to look more closely at the woman he chose than the fact that he chose a woman.  Palin has shown herself to be everything she has promised not to be - secretive, scripted, sarcastic, someone who fires qualified people so she can hire her unqualified friends - she is Bush and Cheney all over again.  We cannot survive another 4 years of this.  Please don't be fooled by this tactic by the GOP to get your attention.  Vote for reason, vote for good judgment, vote for the rights of all women, vote Obama/Biden.
do these stupid women know how badly McCain treats women and their issues?  Are these women in the pole blind or what.  Palin doesn't give a rats "  " about them either.  If this duo gets into office, they will have us in another war, there won't be any healthcare and women won't even be able to birth control.  think again you stupid fools.
You've got to be kidding me.

Repeal of Roe vs. Wade?

Opposition to equal pay for women and extending workers' rights to sue for equal pay?

Opposition to expansion of women's health care?

Oh, wait, but one of them has a uterus!  Well, that changes everything!

Uterus '08!
“better understanding of women and what is important to women.”

You have got to be kidding!!!
Hey - the mess in this article doesn't even make sense.

So now the media is trying to convince us that women are supporting McCain - just because of Palin.

I mean did anyone read the mess you just put out - it contradict it's self just so you can make a case for John McCain.

The bottom line is - the majority of women - smart women will not vote for John McCain because he chose Sarah Palin for a running mate.

Most women won't vote for him because he against all they stand for....

FR- come on; give us a break with trying to do anything to keep this election close.

The Neo-Cons want this thing to be close and it does seem you media folks are doing everything you can to help make it seem that way.

Thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA


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