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So, about that nine-point spread...

Posted: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:30 AM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC’s Domenico Montanaro
The McCain campaign took issue with the ABC/Washington Post poll which shows Obama up by 9. The reasoning, delivered by McCain pollster Bill McInturff (formerly the Republican half of the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll), was one of Party ID.

Those identifying as Democrats in the ABC/Washington Post poll outweighed Republican by 16 points, a wider-than-usual number, McInturff said.

“It’s way different than what other pollsters are showing,” McInturff said, citing many polls showing about a four-to-nine point Democratic Party ID advantage.

In the last NBC/WSJ survey (Sept. 6-8), there was an eight-point spread, 44% Democratic, 36% Republican. In August, the difference was nine points, 43% Dem, 34% Republican.

“I don’t think these results are indicative of what’s happening in the campaign,” McInturff said, calling the ABC/Washington Post poll an “outlier” and “unusual.”  

“I think that despite this very unusual week given the financial crisis, the data is remarkably stable,” McInturff said. “Where I think this race is, it’s a margin of error nationally and in most of the competitive states.”

Even though McInturff said there hasn't been a Party ID split of more than five points (even in 1992), he conceded that McCain needs a spread better than four to eight points in Election Day exit polls.

"If it’s better than that, then I feel really good," he said, "and if some historic accident happens where it turns worse than that, that’s not a good day for Sen. McCain.”

He cited the numbers average of public polls nationally and in 12 key states -- Colorado, Florida, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

“With good regard and respect for my fellow pollsters,” McInturff said, “this race is a margin of error race.”

*** UPDATE *** ABC Polling Director Gary Langer offers his explanation: "The reality is that partisan affiliation in our poll is just about where it’s been all year -- and just about where McInturff himself said it might end up on Election Day. What matters is whether you’re looking at 'unleaned' or 'leaned' party identification, and whether that’s among registered or likely voters. The most relevant number for this discussion is unleaned party ID among likely voters -- 37-30 percent Democratic to Republican in our poll. As it happens that’s precisely where McInturff said the election could turn out: the Republicans, he said, 'could be down 6 to 8.'

"McInturff’s focus was on a different number -- leaned party ID, not unleaned, and among registered voters, not likely voters. We have a 16-point, 54-38 percent Democratic advantage there, which he said was “an unusual outlier.” In fact, rather than an outlier, that almost exactly matches our average for this number all year, 52-38 percent."

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I do not want a president whose team spends time holding conference calls about polls.  There have been sketchy polls from all sectors.  Some benefiting Obama, some McCain.  

This is an absurd waste of time.  
Well, have to admit that's a good point by the McCain campaign. This in itself is newsworthy, as they don't often make good points.
Typical of McCain so far...

If the media reports something good about him, the media's great.

If they report something negative about him, they can't be trusted.

I guess it's no different than the flip-flopping he does on everything else...
I think the take-away point here is that Obama is surging in the polls and McCain is floundering.

While other pollsters may have Obama up by four or five points, the trend is that Obama is the one who is rising in the polls.

http://thepajamapundit.com/
It's funny how they didn't complain after the RNC when many of the polls had them ahead for the same reason in reverse - the percentage of Republicans polled outweighed Dems.  
The McCain Camp has become a "Nation of Whiners". Cry about the media now cry about the polls.

Obama/Cool Joe 08
“With good regard and respect for my fellow pollsters,” McInturff said, “this race is a margin of error race.”

I agree - the more errors that McCain makes, the larger Obama's margin grows.
If the new registrations and those on cell phones get added to the mix, Obama is probably ahead by double digits. If I polled everybody I know, it's probably 80% Obama to 20% McSame.
So now every poll that shows Obama ahead is now suspect.  Hmmm, and I suppose that he'd have no problem if the swing was in the other direction.  Sounds like another distraction attempt by the McCain camp to me.

The point is, Democrats are enjoying increased registration this year.  So it is likely that you are going to wind up polling more of them than Republicans.  That being said, McInturff didn't seem to have this issue when McCain was enjoying 5 - 6 point leads after the KKK Rally...er..I mean Republican Convention when everyone was hopelessly enamored with Sarah Palin.  The ratio of Dems to Repubs was pretty much the same then as well.  Hmmm.

SURRENDER SARAH!

Obama/Biden '08!
The TRUTH hurts, doesn't it?

All you Republicans better head for Alaska and stay there.

OBAMA/BIDEN '08
I don't understand why the lead isn't 20-30 percent. McCain ran a confused primary, continued lost during the long time that the Dems were fighting their battle, then picked Palin at the last minute, has clearly demostrated that he is lost, confused, and generaly not on target in interviews, has offered nothing but the same speeches over and over, ran a dirty personal attack campaign when he said he was honorable, has not kept control of his handlers. How could anyone want to vote for this man as president. He is clearly way over his head and so his his VP choice who is protected from the press. WHAT KIND OF A TEAM IS THAT? Not one I could ever vote for. I can only imagine that those who vote for him do so because 1) they really know nothing about the world and our present crisis 2) McCain's white and that makes him the better candidate 3)Palin is under the spell of her African preacher who casts out witches 4) they would vote for any Republican even if it was a dog dressed in a respectable republican coat.
Good lord, ENOUGH!!!!! We cannot not afford 4 more years!!!!!
Do these people ever stop whining and complaining?

Wah NY Times iz so unfair!!

Wah that poll has party ID wrong!

Where was the whining when Newsweek/LATimes released a poll with nearly identical party ID splits? Thew one that the media used to push the lie that Palin was such a game changer, when in fact, she is merely a novelty act.
So....do these figures maybe point to the possibility that more people are now identifying themselves as Democrats than Republicans?  If that is the case, then it is logical that the results of the poll really ARE indicative of the way the campaign is going.
"not a good day for Sen. McCain."

Now there's the words that make sense. When it starts hitting "everyone" in the pocket books, people finally wake up and start voting for real change ... with Obama/Biden.

Hiding Palin, and McCain shouting "Change, change is a comin"  will never be enough to win.

Truly, I can't believe any of the polls because I still can't figure out just who it is they're polling.  

And further, all the polls in the world won't do any good if the GOP continues it's quest to "disqualify"
eligible and sham the system on election day, which they are already at full speed doing.  They KNOW they cannot win this election honestly, so they will, once again, win it anyway they can.  And if that means disenfranchising voters, so be it.  Country First my butt.  Palin/First Dude/McOld/Bush/Cheney/Rove are despicable.
The southwest electorate is "attention-naive" I bet you the like the attention Obama is paying them and will seize their opportunity to determine this election.

Nev-ay-da will be a prime example of this. Dems now have a >50000 registration advantage, when the lagged by 5000 4 years ago.

Bush won by 21,000 votes. Since then a lot of Californians have moved to the western counties. Obama simply needs to compete in Elko, Lyon and Douglas county (where he did fairly well in the caucuses) and he will win NV.
Use absentee ballots folks if you feel you may have a problems on election day.  Go on line and get your states application for one.  McCain and the RNC won't be easy to beat.  Don't accept being ahead in a poll here and there.  Senator Obama needs a huge turnout to win.  The republican disinformation and Lee Atwater/Rove tactics work on a lot of Americans.  Vote Obama/Biden
The latest polls have Obama gaining in Colorado, having a huge lead in Oregon and erasing his deficit in Ohio. Full roundup: http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/09/23/poll-watch-obama-leads-big-in-colorado-oregon-tight-races-in-il-11-wi-08/
l i think the margin is alot higher. the polls only call land phones and most people i know have cells. i think the younger people are really involved this go around in light of how our country is going. does any one ever think what our country would have been like under the real president, al gore. please, folks wake up! Vote for our country being what it used to be, VOTE OBAMA!
An Old Smart Lady from lost in repub texas
Come on - are you just going to sit here and just spew McCain talking points without some research?

Party ID from the poll was a somewhat Dem friendly, 38 Dem, 28 Rep, 29 Ind.  The larger spread in party ID was due to the fact that this pollster actually pressed undecideds in the poll to tell them their current leaning (no other pollster does that).  This poll simply did not use the "leaning" party id when tabulating the results, just the normal party ID shown above.
Trust me on this one folks...if Mcnuts was up by 9 with a 100% republican sampling his mouthpiece would be trumpeting the lead...does this old man have nothing?
The McCain campaign is showing desperation in attacking this poll rather than allowing it to be just one of many. Their problems are deeper than this one poll. If Obama does well in this week’s foreign policy debate, if he evens the polls on foreign policy expertise, he could put this election out of reach for McCain.
Guess who is making the errors to change the voters mind. Also these polls are tied to land lines and can not reflect new voters.  All in all McCain is viewed as less competent on handling the economic crisis.  It does not help him when his own campaign is knee deep in the crisis. Nor does it help that the conservative wing of the party are clamoring for no bailout, no regulation and more tax cuts ( for the rich) and stating the free market will handle the problem. Try convincing middle America the "fundamentals of our economy" is strong.  
so when dems outnumber repubs, thats not an issue with the McCain campaign??? His response would have been different had McCain been the one up by 9.
did you expect them tro say the poles were right that would be totell the truth and oh ,thats not part of the mcCain campaign motto.
The Repubs are looking very panicky when they're resorting to creative math for to downplay the  numbers. Is this how McCain would handle the budget?
The Repukes have no grounds to complain about the polls since they have chosen to keep the VP in protective custody away from the very citizens that vote!

They can't and shouldn't have it both ways!

Play ball by the rules or get out of the game!
Is it possible that the "Party ID" advantage for the Dems is indicative of the times?  Maybe noone wishes to admit to being a Republican anymore!
Get over it, and realize your man McCain is clearly flustered, ill-prepared and out of touch with people, and Americans are seeing that- WE CANT AFFORD FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
OBAMA/BIDEN 08!!
Sameoh sameoh, if a poll is in your favor it is a great poll. If a poll is not in your favor it is a flawed poll. I am afraid the McCain campaign might as well get used to it. McCain goin down in flames again. Even if Bill Clinton is his new campaign manager.
What about polls after the republican convention from Gallup and others who had more republicans than democrats. Those polls inaccurately showed a huge bounce for McCain. I didn't see the Obama or McCain camp complain. Get real. All McCain does is complain. If you can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen.
As usual they are lying. It was a ten point spread between Dems and Reps and 29% Independents.
Pathetic. Truly pathetic.
l i think the margin is alot higher. the polls only call land phones and most people i know have cells. i think the younger people are really involved this go around in light of how our country is going. does any one ever think what our country would have been like under the real president, al gore. please, folks wake up! Vote for our country being what it used to be, VOTE OBAMA!
An Old Smart Lady from lost in repub texas
The polls don't do a accurte job, they are always unbalanced, whether for Obama or McCain. They are no more than temporary feel good about your canidate.

You can bet this will be extremely close or a tie !
You know what's funny. If the polls showed that the Republicans were up 9 this would not be an issue. It is so funny how the Republicans turn into "Whiny Babies" when things do not go there way.
Spin, spin, spin.
Now McCain has his people wining about poll results.  What is important in any poll is the change.  And clearly all polls are changing in Obama's direction.  I didn't hear Obama's staff wining about the polls when they all shifted McCain's way for a week.  Time will tell.  The reason that McCain's people are saying this, is because they know that if Obama holds high leads in polls for the next couple of weeks, then this race is over.  Unforunately, a lot of undecided people are affected by who they think is going to win.  And these polls are going to affect enthusiasm and voter turnout.  The media has been keeping this race close, but as everyone gets serious and makes up their mind, they are saying no way, no McCain.
SCCOORREEE BOARD!!!!
sounds a little perturbed... or scared.  McCain does too... his internal polls have the repugs shaking in their boots.  For Schmidt to come out and blast the media is all the proof one needs to tell us their internal polls are starting to tilt towards Obama.  Obama's cool, relaxed display... show's his data is promising.
Spin that spinny spinning McInturff. Even the hardcore conservatives in my office are abandoning McCain after his blunders last week. This poll movement is the beginning of a trend, not an outlier. The reason they had a 16% dem increase is because more people are identifying themselves ad Democrat and they can't find a sample without the extra party affiliation.
How is it that everything that isn't good news for McCain is either an outlier or vast media plot against his campaign?

It's a lot like dealing with my 5 year old. I love my child, but he's not fit to be President right now, either.
yeah Right! spare me your poll spin the number are as they appear, and i think better in the so called swing states, even in Oklahoma no decent polls have been taken, but here on the ground its closer than he repub's think,  America want change and Mccain in not chance
This needs an update since the abc polling team has rebuffed the claims of the McCain camp.
After Joe Biden's speech today, I think the ABC/Washington Post poll will become less of an outlier and more of a reality.  The shameful audacity of John McCain picking Palin becomes more apparent when one listens to Joe Biden speak.  Joe came through for Barack with a home run and clearly elucidated the difference between the failed Bush foreign policy (which McCain will essentially continue) and the foreign policy of Barack Obama which will provide the innovation necessary for success in the 21st century.  There's just no comparison between these two tickets in terms of intelligence, temperament and leadership.  And, if America can get beyond its lingering stain of racism, perhaps we will re-emerge as the natural leader of the world.  This is truly a test for our great nation to see if we have been cleansed of our original sin.
Obama/Biden '08
So now we go from a 9-point lead to a margin-of-error race. Man, it would be nice if everybody wasn't trying to pull the wool.

THE RACE IS EVEN. Obama up in some states and McCain up in others.

I just listened to Biden give his speech live from Cincinnati's Union Terminal, which houses an Imax theater and The Natural History Museum and National Historical Society. A great landmark.

Biden kept calling this race between the "Bush/McCain" administration and the Obama/Biden ticket. Another screw-up for Biden.

While the speech was covered by Fox and other less credible news organizations because they pander to Obama, Biden was speaking to a small number of Obama supporters.

The locals in  Cincinnati and especially the surrounding areas are clearly McCain supporters and to constantly beat the drum that Bush is associated with McCain is an act of desperation on Biden's part and people can easily see through that.
Blah, blah, blah, blah.

I'm surprised McShame's campaign doesn't whine about what color the sky is!! I mean come on people!!
So now McCain's campaign is down to this -- when the polls go their way they say nothing, but when it goes the other way they argue with the pollsters? In the current political environment it's tough to give any poll total credence, but this is pathetic, and it won't change the outcome.
Slice through the spin. Party ID favors democrats by about 10 points. Those estimating a lower spread 4-5 points are primarily republican pollsters. They hesitant to acknowledge the massive increase in registrations nationwide. They are also underpolling the youth and minorities. That is why he says they need a 8 point margin to have a chance on Nov 4. That is why a substantial part of their strategy is to suppress voter turnout in battleground states.  


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