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Early thoughts: Both on message

Posted: Saturday, September 27, 2008 12:25 AM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC's Chuck Todd
While there is now a mad scramble to spin who won or who lost, folks ought to step back and realize we saw one of the better "first" presidential debates in this modern era in quite some time.

Neither candidate was "off," neither candidate was nervous. Both were on message (sometimes painfully so for those of us who have now witnessed our 38th presidential debate of the cycle). In fact, the primary debate practice clearly had them both prepared tonight.

All in all, the questions I have are viewer/voter related:

1) Did a majority of folks see two presidential level candidates on stage? This is an especially important question for Obama. I suspect that only the most partisan McCain supporters wouldn't say Obama looked as presidential as McCain. In fact, McCain may have helped the audience come to that conclusion when he attempted to make the case directly that Obama wasn't ready.

2) Did McCain look like someone ready to buck the status quo? It's hard to argue that he wasn't showing himself as someone wanting to shake things up. For every time Obama attempted to link McCain to Bush, the Arizona senator had no qualms going after his own party. In fact, Obama's "John is right" mantras were usually connected to one of McCain's anti-Republican establishment points.

3) Did the viewers get turned off by McCain's sometimes dismissive treatment of Obama or will they start asking themselves the same questions? While this was a very heavy and substantive debate, I do wonder if on style, McCain lost a point or two, and that may explain why he's not staying even in some of these insta-polls.

4) Who will the voters-viewers punish for what seemed like a completely tone deaf conversation between the two candidates on the economy. Neither candidate emphasized jobs and instead allowed themselves to get bogged down on taxes and spending, two issues that don't rank nearly as high with voters as other economic issues. Bottom line on the economy: they both need work.

Still, count me impressed by both candidates. I know it may sound a bit pollyannish, but I thought one would not bring their "A" game or that one would get complacent and that didn't happen. There are some who believe a "draw" is better for the candidate perceived to be ahead. If that's the case, then the polls will continue their Obama drift. But I wouldn't be surprised if the polls don't move much in either direction because neither candidate gave a reason why voters ought to stop listening and make their decision now. There are two more debates and this one was good enough that they may see audiences build on this one.

Up next: the very intriguing and potentially entertaining VP debate.

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Chuck bends over backwards not to give Obama the credit he deserves. Chuck is the original pollyanna .
If subject of the debate was McCain's strong suit, then you have to say Obama won the debate,  
McCains refusal to look at Senator Obama was rude and uncalled for. He showed his disdain for a Presidential candidate who deserved to be there.  Many minorities will take this very personally. Ask any of us of any race or walk of life maybe even republcans.  This was disheartening, DISRESPECTFUL, and disgusting.
Voters desperately want change but wonder if Obama is capable of being the president. I think Obama's performance last night went a long way towards quieting those concerns
I think only viewers who were leaning Obama would have gotten turned off by McCain's dismissive comments. I think the rest of the viewers either wouldn't care, or would come to agree with him.
Here we go again.
Don't you realize that McCain really is a very good candidate and knows what he is doing?
Obama is a very good charmer but THAT DOES NOT make a President. He does not have what it takes for that Job.
Honestly, McCain didn't look or sound presidential.  He appeared every bit as angry, close minded and impetuous as he acted in these last several months.  I don't him or Palin any near 1600 Penn. Avenue.
David Gregory and Norah O'Donnell are definately inferior in reporting on national affairs.  Where was John Harwood?  He's definately the class act at NBC and MSNBC.
This is substance?  McCain clearly wins the debate and all this Obama supporter can offer is a VP teaser?

This is the guy who some said could replace Russert?
Obama was the clear winner, just as all the instapolls showed.  To begin with, in his measured, cogent responses to questions from the moderator and comments by his opponent, he appeared the much more presidential of the two.  This impression was reinforced by McCain's condescending approach toward Obama, demonstrated over and over again by his refusal to look him in the eye (or even glance in his direction) and his constant reiteration of the phrase, "Senator Obama just doesn't understand." Obama usually gave a response to the latter put-down that showed he did indeed understand--probably better than his adversary.

My only quarrel with Obama was his neglect of the economic issues that are hurting the average American right now (i.e., unemployment, health care insurance, etc.), issues that comprise McCain's greatest vulnerability.  In addition, I would like to see him ditch that prhase, "John McCain is right, . . ." after which he would then go on to show that he wasn't.  I know he was being courteous (something McCain apparently is incapable of), but come on, your opponent wants a bare knuckles fight, so leave the gloves home next time!
Obama on message,  Higher Taxes, Unlimited Abortion, Gay Marriage, Reperations?
I watched the entire debate and thought that Obama looked more presidential. It was relatively gaff free for both candidates (except the reference to the Republican Guard of Iran instead of the Revolutionary Guard...Iran...Iraq...even smart people can get some of the details mixed up in the heat of the moment)The election is about CHANGE.  McCain may try to align himself with it but it is hard to swin against the tide of his record of support for a very unpopular president.
i have been listing to Morning Joe.  No one mentioned the errer Obama made in regards to what "Henry Kissinger" said in having negotiations with Iran.  On CNN last night Henry Kissinger sent a statement to CNN that Obama was wrong in saying that Henry Kissinger would have no preconditions on a face to face negotiations and that John McCain was absolutely correct.  I fine this to be a big flaw in your coverage of debate.  As an independent gearing towards McCain I am very much aware of the danger of an Iran that armed with nuclear bombs.

You lack of knowledge of what Henry Kissinger said leads tobe believe that you either have no connection with his statements or you are biased. I know Keith Oberman and Rachal Madow certainly are bias but I find your show to be more in the middle.  Kind of surprsed you did not mention this.
My comment having watched the debate is that Obama showed little or ver low class in interrupted McCain at least 390 times while he was speaking.  Imagine doing that to all of the foreign leaders he claims he will meet with?  More the ugly American would come up
I rarely watch debates but this one was important and very enlightening. I was especially impressed w/Mr Obama as I felt he was talking to me.. He sounded very intelligent even though his message was vague. I got tired of watching and hearing Mr McCain say Obama isn't ready or experienced. There are alot of politicians in Washington and the state governments who have experience but have let us down..I would love to get their real ideas instead of same old things mentioned over and over just in a different way.  I like both men but I felt Mr Obama was more on the subject and more forthright than Mr McCain..
I think McCain was intimidated by Obama, it's that simple!
Everyone is beating around the bush about the reasons why he wouldn't look at Obama.
Why did his voice tremble at times, too?
He was trying to bully and intimidate Obama and it didn't work!!
When someone can't look you in the eye, they're intimidated!

I thought that Senator Obabma presented himself as very much a sound presidential candidate.  He was easily conversant with all the issues, and presented his views concisely and wisely.  Whereas Senator McCain was downright rude and at times when giving his opionions he seemed very angry.  Every time Senator Obama tried to speak to him directly, McCain would smirk and not even have the decency to look at Obama. Is this the type of behaviour that would befit a man in this country's highest office?  His attitude distracted from what he was saying -- I'll remember his distainful looks and actions far longer that any remark he made.  And Senator Obama remains as always a class act who will have my vote on election day, because I truly beleve he has the american people's best interests in mind.
I am surprised that no one is talking about McCain's statement that he would freeze federal spending except for defense.  It's symbolic of the fact that he is a one-issue candidate and out-of-touch with the day-to-day issues that affect Americans.  McCain's statement showed him for what he is: a war monger.
After watching 75 minutes or so, I had to go do something else until the commentary came on.  I just couldn't stand watching any more of McCain and his constant sneering and condescension.  I was totally turned off by it.  My husband said that men are fine with that, but I certainly wasn't.  My guess is Obama definitely won with women last night.  McCain acted like a huge jerk, and though I was pretty young, I kept thinking he reminded me of seeing Nixon on the tv--awkward, old, mean-looking, and kind of scary.
I thought it was very risky on McCain's part to continue to hammer the 'inexperience' nail into Obama considering his Palin pick.    This could work against McCain big-time in the Palin debate if the moderator of that debate remembers to bring it up.

I'm not a McCain voter but I do think it's possible that he pulled a few more votes from those 18 million undecideds than Obama did. Those voters know all there is to know about Obama. I think they were waiting for the McCain press ban to lift to finally hear what McCain was all about - I was and I watch the news all the time.  Hard to get anything out of McCain other than sound bites.

I think the Obama poll drift will continue its upward drift.  Perhaps it will depend on the upcoming ads and how many one-issue moronic voters will base their vote on ads.  Too bad for America.

Bottom Line:
- YES McCain has foreign policy experience (the past), BUT Obama ALSO held his own! Moving forward, Bush / McCain "experience" cannot help us - it has gotten us into so many conflicts!

-Obama was the only candidate that tied the Iraq war to the financial crisis. We spend $10 billion per month in Iraq when we are at a point where the USA does not have any money. If we don't withdraw, we will have more financial danger. During the debate, Obama noted that Iraq made alost $80 billion from oil last year. Omaba's withdrawl plan will not be dangerous if it is done with the full support of the Iraqi government. It is well known that Iraqui leaders favor withdrawl of US troops.

-Obama was the only one who talked a out the USA dependence on foreign oil making us a
target for national security. Get off foreign oil means that we will be less obligated to fight wars when oil is a motivation.
The difference between Obama and McCain

Obama
Comes from Main Street and had rather build bridges for the benefit of all.
Will reach across the table and communicate with others to try and settle differences.
Looks at a person with respect when talking with them and tries to establish a bond or link with them.

McCain
Comes from military privilege and had rather blow bridges up.
Will NOT communicate will others – will only demand or drop bombs on them.
Is disrespectful, thinks he is better than Main Street - refuses to look the other person in the eye and build a line of communication – he attacks.

Think about this – if you (Main Street) invited the two candidates to share a meal with you what would happen?

Obama would come and share the meal and converse with you and “listen” to you because he has something in common with you.

McCain just would not come.

Now Main Street America just has to decide who they want in their home and at their table.
McCain continues to lie and distort the facts and he is still a patsy for big business and the lobbyists in spite of his declaration that "change" is needed in Washington
I believed the debate went well on several issues.Senetor John McCain's attitude on the podium,
wasn't diplomatic.Is this how Senetor McCain will treat
foreign leaders that do not share his political views,
by not acknowledging them? He did not look in Senetor
Obama eyes once.
I agree with your comments.  However, one thing that stood out to me was Obama's facial responses throughout the debate.  He seemed to be smirking a lot of the time.  I don't think that was helpful for him.
McCain seemed angry and would not look Obama in the eye.  He had a uncomfortable smirk on his face whenever he was put on the spot by Obama.   He did not seem Presidential at all.  He seemed very juvenile and immature.   McCain was having a hard time keeping his cool.  How can he possibly be considered for President when he obviously has a HUGE ANGER MANAGEMENT PROBLEM?

Obama came out on stage, looked McCain in the eye (or tried to), shook his hand and seemed very gracious.   He was on top of all the questions, and when McCain spoke he kept his cool and waited his turn to rebuff any of McCain's many lies.    He spoke about helping the middle class which is something that McCain failed to even mention!

Obama won the debate hands down!!


ONE MORE REASON WHY I AM VOTING OBAMA/BIDEN '08

Elections are about the future. Obama spoke about the future. McCain stayed mired in the past: his own past bragging about accomplishments. McCain
rude, demeaning and erratic. Obama was predidential and diplomatic. Look, we have had eight years of this bullying,"with us or against us" cliff-
diving. McCain came accross as a meaner Bob Dole.  We need change and leadership. No dismissive soundbites.
I am sorry to say that every body missed Senator Mccain's mistake on Republican Guards being an Iranian organization, It's an Iraqi Organization that was disbanded in 2003. If with all his expertise on world and military affairs, he did no the name of what he was referring it, incidentally it's the Revolutionary Guards!
Was I the only one who noticed that Obama made considerable eye contact with McCain?  Meanwhile, McCain seemed to avoid looking Obama in eyes, even when they shook hands.  Is McCain simply rude, does he dislike Obama so much he can't look at him, or is he intimidated by him??
I believe McCain lost because of his tactics to try and win the debate by constantly saying Obama don't understand and  it seems like he tried to get pity points in the way he started most of his answers. He wasn't straight forward with hardly any of his answers. I think the republicans know that their time is short.
on points...McCain same old stuff different debate
on points... Obama attacked that stuff as needed
Chuck...I always enjoy your insight and commentary on television and in print.  I think you hit this one very close also.  The VP debate will be a inertia breaker one way or another.  After the lessons learned from this debate by the respective campaigns, and the outcome of the VP debate, the next two should get to scratching the itch we all still have.  Keep up the great effort!
Body language speaks volumes.  McCains unwillingness to look at Obama, even when Lehrer requested he talk to the candidate, shows how superior he feels he is.  This is a man who always feels he's right and better than anyone else.  Scares me to think he could represent all of us.
As always, Chuck Todd is right on.  Both were fine on message.  Two major points, however.  Obama needed to pass the Commander in Chief test.  He clearly showed himself to be strong, solid and presidential.  McCain needed to show that his policies are different than those of George Bush.  He did not.  He effectively delivered the case for George Bush.  On both of these points, Obama wins.  In addition, McCain looked cranky and irritable.
Obama won.  McCain's constant refrain--"Obama doesn't understand"--was irritating but it stuck in the mind. [It could be used more truthfully by Joe Biden about Sarah Palin in their upcoming debate.]  Obama needs a "mantra."  Perhaps one that emphasizes how much McCain lives in the past.  We need a President that recognizes that the world has changed drastically; the old rules no longer suffice.  My husband did not like Obama's "John's right" remarks; he thinks he needs to stay on offense.
I just find John McCain's behavior in the debate so rude.  I expect grown-up behavior from my next president and Senator McCain's behavior appeared impudent and hostile.  
On substance, both candidates stuck to message and therefore didn't likely win any new converts. On style, McCain's sneer was a bit off-putting, as was Obama's having to look at his bracelet to remember the name of the dead soldier in whose honor he wears it.
Check all of the polls, it seems that Obama won the debate.

As for my views, I thought McCain came off as very grumpy, to be honest.  He didn't even look Obama in the eye.  It all just seemed very unpresidential.
What debate were you watching?  Granted, neither candidate made any career ending gaffes, but the contrast in temperaments was astounding.  Any honest observer had to see one calm, steady, intelligent leader (Obama) and one who was angry, explosive and barely in control of himself.  

The undecided voters (the only ones who matter at this point) will make the choice on which of these personalities they want running the country and the world.  How can the so-called Maverick work with people he doesn't agree with when he can't even look at them?  Give me a break...
Obama looked very nervous and unsettled as McCain took control from the onset. McCain made very good points during the economic portion of the discussion, talking about freezing spending. Anyone who works in business knows every organization is handed budgetary challenges and at a time of financial crisis that needs to happen in goverment. If business did that every time they had a budget shortfall they'd be out of business.
I wathced the debate twice last night and my initial impression after the first view was that McCain had the better night. After the second view it was VERY clear that Obama got hammered by McCain almost the whole time. Obama looked pissed off on several occassion as Mccain hammered him on Iran, earmarks, Kissenger, his niaveness.etc... Obama looked frustrated much of the time, and was looking to the moderator for help at times, or so it seemed. No McCain never looked at his opponent and I'm sure this was by design. However, I do not know who how that will play in the big picture other than to show America that McCain disrespects Barak Obama. Yes,that could be some sort of subliminal ploy. To be fair I also thought Obama was strong at times but I saw McCain really take it to him last night...JMHO

Registered inde...
I agree mostly. But if Obama wants to seem presidential he shouldn't say I agree so much. Also for the commenter who mentions smirks and the other one who talks about McCain being less than polite. To call McCain John once or twice is okay, but as much as he did was not; it was like saying "Hillary you're likable enough". Also, Barak was smirking a lot more than McCain. I think if you were a person who watchs a lot of this you'd say it's a draw. But those undecideds are for the most part blue collar whites in the midwest, I don't think Obama continuing to mention that he was against the war is going to sway them.
Why isn't any media mentioning McCain's huge gaffe?

Bringing up a VP who does fewer interviews than a high school football coach, was a blunder.

McCain brought up his VP and saying she's a maverick. CNN's viewer ratings for McCain dropped like a rock.
Debate 101, never focus on the person you are debating.  If you are actually scoring this like a debate Obama lost because he McCain got his opponent to focus on hm instead of the topics at times.  McCain had a clear and detailed grasp of the issues and people involved.  Obama lacked a level of detail and seemed to stretch to tie McCain to Bush (how many times did he say "John was right...".  

Bottom Line: If you liked one of these two, tonight did nothing to change that.  Neither had a major gaffe.  Obama had a couple moments where he was clearly flustered and McCain was tongue tied twice.  Obama did nothing to reassure voters who have doubts and McCain did nothing to sway anyone who hates Bush to not follow Obama.  
I think if we take a moment to pause and reflect - last night I wonder why Obama did not show more fire, while McCain was so condesending,know it all attitude.Obama tried to engage McCain,he looked the other way,is it his disdain of Obama as "who do you  think you are "punk". Obama won for substance and poise but has to lose part of his upbringing philosophy to"respect the old man" meaning McCain.
Check the polls on Tuesday, at the time people like to think they are pro-positive it rarely settles in that way. Furthermore those polls are very blogcentric, not ever going to be proMcCain.
McCain's demeanor towards Obama was dismissive and his facial expressions approached a sneer.  His campaign commercials have always had the message that Obama was naive and that he "did not understand" this issue or that issue.  But, face to face, McCain's use of this "Obama doesn't understand" phrase came off as insulting to someone who you are supposedly having a conversation with(albeit you are supposed to at least glance at the person you are conversing with once in a while. McCain never made eye contact with Obama). I think McCain hurt himself severely by his approach to Obama.  On the other hand, Obama came off as gracious and friendly and to some degree, complimentary of McCain on some issues.  He appeared to be a nice guy. McCain appeared to be a grumpy old man.  Both were knowledgeable. But the average voter pays less attention to what is said and more attention to what type of person they see in front of them.  Obama passed the test for the millions of people who were seeing him for the very first time. It's over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was impressed by McCain's energy at 72, and knowledge.  But I think Obama has a better approach on foreign policy that will make America safer and restore our image around the world.  McCain look angry and dismissive towards Obama, which is unbecoming of the POTUS.
the reason why john mccain is going down in the polls is because of his lack of judgement.  it has been clearly exploited these last two weeks.  but whats going to put mccain out of this race is his choice of sarah palin which was demonstrated this pass week with her interview with katie couric.  that interview was the beginning of the end of john mccain's aspirations to become the next president of the united states.  palin is going to pull mccain down in the polls and the october surprise may be him replacing her on the ticket with pawlenty, romney or giuliani.  he is not going to recover from the tremendous mistakes that she has already made and the mistakes that she is going to make in the debate with joe biden thursday night.
I always wonder if Chuck Todd watches the same debate that I watch.  Is he seeing what he wants to see or for what it is.  I am a McCain supporter.  I do not think he won but he did not lose by much on the Economic portion of the debate.  On the foreign policy, he won clearly but probably not enough to have done any real damage to Obama.  I absolutely did not see McCain being dismissive of Obama.  I supose if you are a Obama supporter, Chuck, you might have seen it that way.  Because a candidate thinks the other is naive does not make him dismissive.  I thought Obama looked visibly upset at times when looking at McCain.  Then his best response was I agree with John. Obama kept calling McCain by his first name.  That is nothing more than a grade school technique to get your opponent to see you more as a friend than and adversary. So when that doesn't work, then according to Chuck Todd, you are dismissive.  Chuck, work on the logic a little more.  

Again, John McCain appeared condesending. In the past, he  has offered to take Barack Obama on an over seas trip, to travel with him across the nation campainging and to have town hall meetings with him. During the debate he often stated that Barack Obama didn't understand. This from a man that finished almost last in his class while Barack Obama finished with high honors. This from a man that was one of the Keating Five and had a number of crashes before being shot down. A man that selected Sarah Palin after not more than two conversation with her.


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