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Early thoughts: Both on message

Posted: Saturday, September 27, 2008 12:25 AM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC's Chuck Todd
While there is now a mad scramble to spin who won or who lost, folks ought to step back and realize we saw one of the better "first" presidential debates in this modern era in quite some time.

Neither candidate was "off," neither candidate was nervous. Both were on message (sometimes painfully so for those of us who have now witnessed our 38th presidential debate of the cycle). In fact, the primary debate practice clearly had them both prepared tonight.

All in all, the questions I have are viewer/voter related:

1) Did a majority of folks see two presidential level candidates on stage? This is an especially important question for Obama. I suspect that only the most partisan McCain supporters wouldn't say Obama looked as presidential as McCain. In fact, McCain may have helped the audience come to that conclusion when he attempted to make the case directly that Obama wasn't ready.

2) Did McCain look like someone ready to buck the status quo? It's hard to argue that he wasn't showing himself as someone wanting to shake things up. For every time Obama attempted to link McCain to Bush, the Arizona senator had no qualms going after his own party. In fact, Obama's "John is right" mantras were usually connected to one of McCain's anti-Republican establishment points.

3) Did the viewers get turned off by McCain's sometimes dismissive treatment of Obama or will they start asking themselves the same questions? While this was a very heavy and substantive debate, I do wonder if on style, McCain lost a point or two, and that may explain why he's not staying even in some of these insta-polls.

4) Who will the voters-viewers punish for what seemed like a completely tone deaf conversation between the two candidates on the economy. Neither candidate emphasized jobs and instead allowed themselves to get bogged down on taxes and spending, two issues that don't rank nearly as high with voters as other economic issues. Bottom line on the economy: they both need work.

Still, count me impressed by both candidates. I know it may sound a bit pollyannish, but I thought one would not bring their "A" game or that one would get complacent and that didn't happen. There are some who believe a "draw" is better for the candidate perceived to be ahead. If that's the case, then the polls will continue their Obama drift. But I wouldn't be surprised if the polls don't move much in either direction because neither candidate gave a reason why voters ought to stop listening and make their decision now. There are two more debates and this one was good enough that they may see audiences build on this one.

Up next: the very intriguing and potentially entertaining VP debate.

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Focus on content, not gazing into someones eyes. Can't imagine Obama talking Chavez and Putin off the ledge, Obama is just not commanding. Anyone remember what happened when a green and inexperienced Kennedy was challenged by Khrushchev? Can't imagine Obama making any difficult choices, can't vote present when you are the president. We have difficult times ahead that requires a leader that can make decisions in the best interest of this country.
John McCain wants us to know that he has “never won the ‘Miss Congeniality’ award”.  But neither has our current President.  With that kind of bulldozer approach, George W. Bush has failed to lead America, and the world, to meet the challenges of the 21st century.  We cannot risk another four years with a President that leads us to fight in the wrong war, or drives our economy down the wrong track. We cannot risk another four years of an Administration that circumvents the Constitution, or fails to rescue our flooded cities.  We cannot take another four years of bad policies on energy and the environment, and we cannot afford the hidden taxes on Americans from our borrowing nearly a trillion dollars per year.  Precisely because McCain won’t be able to bring our allies together with his ‘take-it-or-leave-it” style, we cannot risk four years of the same with McCain.
If only all this was a bad dream and I would wake up and find some peace that OBAMA is our new President.  Thank you Chuck Todd, Keith Olberman and Rachael Maddow and MSNBC for allowing these programs so I can watch the news without having to take extra medication.
Both of the candidates demonstrated a good knowledge of international affairs. Given the expectations, this probably favors Obama. It was raises the bar of knowledge for the VP debate which should have MCCain handlers very concerned. Gov. Palin is frigtening in her lack of knowledge, depth or nuance. What trumps this for me as a previously undecided voter is that McCain seemed mean and angry. He was condescending to Obama which seems consistent with his all over the board approach during the last two weeks. I am much more comfortable with Obama and therefore have decided to vote for him.
Chuck, my brother and I retired USAF after 20 or more years of active duty service.  Three of my uncles served in the Vietnam war; one passed away due to agent orange.  My son wishes to become a Marine.  Senator McCain is shameless in seeking to draw favor to his military service.  Many of us in America have served and sacrificed. However, honor demands that you do it for country with God's blessing and nothing more.  Senator McCain's service as a pilot and former POW does not without more qualify him as a better canidate for the position of Cammander In Chief.  Many non-service members have dedicated their lives to the United States of America without wearing the uniform.  Thus, please stop the clear favortism that you show in favor of Senator McCain.  America deserves the best. Beginning today, Chucky T, following last night's debate, will you now change your attitude and treat Senator Obama with the same respect deserving of a party's nominee?  Recognize that Senator Obama is safer and less eratic and more intelligent on the subject of foriegn policy.  I understand that you have a boss to answer to and you must follow orders in your rhetorical attempts to assist Senator McCain.  But, please tell us that it is by instruction from above when you slight one over the other.  Thanks.          
Thank you for this neutral summary
the debate once again showed the difference in the candidates. Mccain is mean and untruthful.he is not a candidate of the working people although he tries to appear as he is. He not once mentioned ' middle class worker yet he repeatedly mentioned tax cuts for business. Obama repeatedly spoke of the future and the need to improve the status of the middle class.
Simply put Obama does not have the experience or qualifications to be president. It was very obvious that McCain is the only qualified presidential candidate.
OH Todd, looking to replace Russert so you have to be so diplomatic in your response.  Get real, McCain looked like an old man, he couldn't even look at Obama and he had to rush away from the initial handshake as he also looks short next to Obama.  I'm old and I'm sick of McCain same old, worn out stories - we need change and we need to move beyond the old Washington establishment - let the next generation take over - the certainly can do better than what has been going on over the last 8 years - Those who gave us Bush now want to give us McCain - POOR AMERICA - NO WONDER THE REST OF THEWORLD LAUGHS AT US!!!
McCain's fake smile while attacking Obama made me very
incomfortable. He did not show any ability to be diplomatic. Obama seemed confident, knowledgeable and
courtious. He seemed willing to comunicate with McCain while McCain was condescending and dismissive.
One was presidential the other scarey.
When someone doesn't or can't look you in the eye, don't trust him/her.  McCain couldn't look Obama in the eye.  He is a weak man not to be trusted.  Also, when watching the debate we saw an old man (McCain) vs. a young man with new ideas (Obama).
Senator Obama clearly won this debate on substance and style. McCain's low blows of constantly referring to Senator's Obama's lack of understanding was demeaning and clearly unsubstantiated. This man demonstrated his command and knowledge of Foreign Policy, even the most bias McCain supporters need to give Senator Obama credit for this,it is undeniable. McCain's disdain,and reluctance to look Senator Obama in the eye and even the American people lets me know he doesn't have the character to lead this nation.
Obama,laid out a vision,as well as our challenges. He has clearly demonstrated himself as a visionary, leader who has the brilliance,knowledge and judgement to be commander and chief.
I am a Texas independant, who was undecided..after watching debate, found McCain very "surly" disrespectful, hard to imagine him crossing lines to be bi partisian, absolutely didnt like his demanor, trying to treat Obama like a "child" saying he is inexpierienced, my goodness, if he thinks that waht is Palin ? she would also have to have on the job training, as ALL presidents do unless your a past president..even Clinton admitted it is always on the job training ..I was very impressed with Obamas intelligence ( and his education that he worked hard to get ) and his JUDGEMENT..Obama had good judgement to surround himself with other intelligent minds, like Biden, Hillary..they will help him ..Pbama is aslo very respectful, true gentleman, can probably handle himself well in any crisis, nOT a hothead, name caller, or mocking attitude..sooooo, our votes gor to
OBAMA
D Bradshaw in Texas
Ithink Barack Obama handled the debate with intelligence, thoughtfulness and class.
Mccain looked like an angry old man, who, as
usual, resorted to lies and attacks.
Obama looked presidential, Mccain looked and
thought like a has been.
After 8 years of bluster, bullying, and cowboy diplomacy, it is clear that McCain will be rejected for embodying more of the same.  McCain crystallized last night that he is completely incapable of treating competitors, adversaries, or those with views that differ from his own with basic respect and decency.  McCain's utter lack of diplomatic ability is astounding and downright scary considering he aspires to be the next president of the United States.          
Kissinger's trying to spin a pro-McCain message....BUT if you read what Kissinger said, Obama was correct!

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/kissinger-backs.html

Read it yourself, folks.   "Without conditions...."
I love how in past McCain supporters gave Obama grief for not wearing a flag pin, yet in the debate, only Obama was wearing one. Maybe McCain supporters can go after their own candidate for trivial things for a change!

As for the debate, I think Obama went toe-to-toe with McCain on McCain's own comfort topic and I believe Obama actually showed a wiser foreign policy leader. His calm and cool demeaner is exactly what our country needs in issues both foreign and domestic and appeared to be the strongest presidential candidate we've seen since Kennedy. If undecideds aren't going for Obama now, they clearly weren't paying attention!
For the next debate, I would urge Barack to transition from the conceptual "We can..." to a more commanding and persuasive "I will..." Look the red states in the eye and make them believe. That's all that was missing for me last night. Otherwise, it was like watching the Superbowl. Outstanding TV. We were all shouting!
Compared to Kennedy vs Nixon, this wasn't a high caliber debate.Obama is highly intelligent, but his reflective style doesn't lend itself well to this venue.  I do,however, appreciate his cool demeaner in all things.  As Commander in Chief he would not act precipitously. Moreover, I think he would work to achieve a coherent policy at home and abroad.
 McCain did better than I expected;however I got tired of listening to earmarks and victory in Iraq. I also wasn't impressed by John's catalogue of places he had visited and world leaders he had known.For Mc cain, winning in Iraq is a metaphor for the war he thinks the US should have won- Viet Nam. I'm 76 years old; I'm tired of war, especially ill-conceived, preemptive war.I was a Hillary supporter, however I prefer Obama's deliberate, coolness to MCain's knee-jerk fighter pilot mentality.Carol in California
Mc Cain is aging faster than rotten bananas. Curmudgeon, mean, and quite horrible to look at. All we have is image. His image is one of rude and distain. I think he is a racist. You could see it last night by the fact of his not being able to even look at his bi-racial opponent.
Who was debating Bob Dole? McCain is old man who lives in the past which is what happens when you don't have much of a future,OBAMA is a breath of fresh airand i hope in the next debate he tells MC PALIN that he's a rude .narcisstic self rightous fool.
Clearly I do not think that McCain was saying that Obama is too stupid to understand...I think his point was that Obama just does not have the experience/history to understand.  You can not argue that McCain has a significant background in international issues and resume to resume McCain is more qualified in this matter
McCains obsession with Obama giving him credit for the surge was again apparent, but McCains insistance this is evidence of a shortcoming in decision making is ludicrious.
The worst foreign policy decision in the history of this country was the decision to invade Irag in the first place.
Every thing you needed to know was on the front pages of the newpapers, even the evidence the war was being built on lies, McCain either was part of the lies or bought into them.
I think Obama should have pointed this fact out.

A second issue regarding foreign policy is the statement by McCain he "hates all gooks and always will" Hardly a statement from an individual we expect to negotiate with Asian countries, not that McCains version of foreign policy is likely to be based on negotiation.

Obama was too kind, much too kind.
viewing the debate mccain showed a lack of character by smerking, looking away from Obama, never looking him in the eyes when directing comments to him. that shows me a sign of weakness. This shows a lack of respect for Obama and what he has to say
Is there anyone who reports for MSNBC that is not bias towards the democrats?  Even Fox News tries to get a couple people from both sides to report the news.  Chuck's article states a "no one won" and goes on to say that McCain did this wrong, McCain did this wrong.  For good measure he puts in that BOTH candidates did poorly on the Econ. issue.  WOW - great reporting Chuck.
I didn't and I still don't like both parties. But I have to make a choice. I feel Obama is a better speaker but looking at his past record he would lead this country in a bigger mess. We cannot continue to go the path of more spending and I believe this is where Obama will take us. My vote will be for McCain.
Obama will pay another $800k to Acorn to fix the election.... just like he did against Clinton.

Do your research -- What Caused Our Economic Crisis?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o


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