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Biden vs. Palin: Comparing past debates

Posted: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:27 AM by Carrie Dann
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In twin articles, the New York Times looks at Biden’s and Palin’s past debate performances. For Biden: “A review of Mr. Biden’s debate performances shows him to be deeply knowledgeable across a range of topics, reflecting his nearly four decades in Washington, where he is chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee… One danger for Mr. Biden on Thursday is that his habit of speaking authoritatively, of saying he possesses the truth, will come across as overbearing or condescending, particularly toward someone like Ms. Palin, who lacks his credentials. To try to guard against sounding sexist, he is sparring in practice sessions with Gov. Jennifer M. Granholm of Michigan, who is playing the role of Ms. Palin.”

For Palin: “Her debating style was rarely confrontational, and she appeared confident. In contrast to today, when she seems unversed on several important issues, she demonstrated fluency on certain subjects, particularly oil and gas development. But just as she does now, Ms. Palin often spoke in generalities and showed scant aptitude for developing arguments beyond a talking point or two. Her sentences were distinguished by their repetition of words, by the use of the phrase ‘here in Alaska’ and for gaps. On paper, her sentences would have been difficult to diagram.”

The LA Times also talks to former rivals about Palin’s debate skills -- which appear to be better than the expectations right now are indicating.

"Trudy Mason, a Democratic activist from New York, said his [Biden's] warmth nicely balances Obama's cooler demeanor. 'He speaks from the kishkas,' she said, using the Yiddish word for 'gut.' But speaking from the kishkas can get a politician into trouble, and as Biden prepares to debate Sarah Palin tomorrow, some Democrats are worried. On the trail last week, the downside was on full display, as Biden mangled historical facts and twice contradicted his own campaign. The gaffes piled up at such a rate that Republicans dedicated a website to tracking them. His emotional reactions sometimes appear to drive him to fudge answers."

"In the Marist survey, 45 percent gave Biden, Delaware's Democratic senator, the edge, while 36 percent said Palin, Alaska's GOP governor, will shine. By a better than 2-to-1 ratio, voters believe Biden will have a better understanding of the issues than Palin. But 65 percent think Palin will come across as more appealing, compared to 23 percent for Biden."

The Right looks to pre-but a poor Palin debate performance by calling Gwen Ifill biased.

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This isnn't city hall and Mayor Palin is by no means ready for the big-time.
The Right looks to pre-but a poor Palin debate performance by calling Gwen Ifill biased.
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If McCain/Palin were winning this thing, it would be the left calling the media biased.  The right wouldn't be saying a thing about it.

The charge of media bias is loudest coming from the political team that is losing.

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Given that the Right thinks that *everyone* who doesn't worship Gov. Palin is biased, your last point doesn't surprise me a bit.  I'm looking forward to Sen. Biden taking the good Governor down for the count.
The Obama Rising

I see the latest poll has Obama up by 8 in Florida. Up by 8 in Ohio, and up by 15 in PA.  Go ahead and add 2 more points to each of these spreads after the VP debate Thursday night.
How typical!  First, Pelosi is responsible for the conservative republicans voting no on the bail-out.  Now, even before the debate, conservatives are calling Gwen Ifil biased.  What a crock.  Spin is the only thing they know.  Thank GOD we're going to finally get ourselves rid of them by voting them and their shattered party out of office!  Obama/Biden will win!
Ifill should remove herself from the debate. this is just more of the same, let's tilt things for Obama. I've heard Ifill speak about Obama and the "sugar" was flowing from her mouth.  Even if she COULD be unbiased, this does not give a good impression since she's in the tank for Obama.
Why should Biden not be able to speak with authority. Because it would look condescending towards palin? Hogwash. I thought we would want a Vp who could speak with authority on the issues.

This debate is becoming a set up for Biden to lose even though he can speak on the issues authoritatively and allow Palin to get by on a poor performance with generic and confusing remarks.

Screw this fear of being over-bearing. If Palin can't handle a debate then she does not need to be in the debate. Stop setting up Biden to fail and giving Palin a free pass because her answers will be those similar to someone who has a six pack for brains.  
I can't believe everyone is ignoring the story about Qwen writing a pro Obama book.  I'm an Obama supporter but this is the kind of stuff that leaves us open for criticism.
On the site, First Read ran story after story after story about Hillary and sniper fire in Bosnia. People on this blog beat her to a pulp.  Now, Biden lied that his helicopter had to land in Baghdad because of sniper fire.  No, according to John Kerry who was in the same helicopter, it was due to bad weatther.  There's not one nickel of difference between the Hillary situation and the Biden situation but First Read and MSNBC gives him a pass.  But, of course, they do. He's part of the Obama ticket and there's no secret MSNBC is in the tank for Obama.  I don't know why the network just doesn't put up Obama signs on the set. This is shameful.
The bar is so low for "Jane six-six pack", conventional wisdom says that if she doesn't leave the debate on a stretcher she "wins".
I don't see why they're even calling it a debate. Joe's not going to be allowed to express his knowledge or he'll be condemned for taking advantage of the fragile Palin. I read a column yesterday that had already declared that Palin had won. If Joe has to be tamped down - do the repugs really think that Iraqi, Iranian, Russian leaders are going to do the same so as not to upset the fragile Palin? Get real - it's a tough world out there. It's treasonous for the repugs to even think of putting our country into these outragiously unqualified hands. Joe, I hope you have her stuttering and speaking in tongues.
Palin is a lame brain who practices witchcraft.  And you thought lame brain Bush was bad.  if this semi-insain woman gets anywhere near the whitehouse we will be in deep trouble.
This notion that if Palin debates well against Biden, she, somehow, has "passed the test" and is now qualified to be Vice President of the United States.
No, No, No. A good debate may give you an "A" for the mid-term exam, it does not mean you passed the course!
Did anyone see Scabby J this morning?  He was all over the Repub talking point that Gwen Ifill is biased because of a political book coming out with the name "Obama" in the title.

Mika made me want to puke by claiming that Joe could impartially moderate a debate.  I know so many of you have tuned out this show; but it is good for at least a couple of nauseating laughs a day.  I defend it because I definitely think they get the best guests and it maintains the 'all politics-all the time' which I am currently heavily invested in.

Palin's debating skills might "be better than the expectations are right now are indicating" because she was probably debating on a subject that she was familiar with.  Unlike on tomorrow when she will be clearly out of element.  I saw the spot where Katie Couric asked her about what she reads and she couldn't
even come up with one magazine name! What the h--- was that all about?  Is she too afraid to open her mouth because of what her handlers might do or say? Or is she really that plain stupid? What does she think?  SCARY!!!


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