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Breaking down the bailout vote

Posted: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 10:33 PM by Carrie Dann
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From NBC's Carrie Dann


By a vote of 74-25, the Senate has approved its version of the financial recovery package that was voted down by the U.S. House on Monday.  Senators Biden, McCain, and Obama, as promised, returned to the Hill to vote "aye" on the measure.

On Monday afternoon, when the bailout package failed in the House, a quick glance at the roll call vote offered a fairly accurate cheat sheet to indicate the closeness of a few 2008 House races.  All but eight of 38 members in tight reelection contests voted against the largely unpopular bill.

Video: The Senate voted 74-25 in favor of the economic bailout bill. What does this mean? Rachel Maddow is joined by MSNBC Congressional Correspondent Mike Viqueira.

But after a record plummet of the Dow Jones on Monday and new revisions to the bill, the Senate proved to be characteristically more measured.

Of the twenty-five lawmakers voting "no," ten are up for reelection. But of the eight sitting senators in tough races, just three voted against the bailout.

North Carolina Senator Elizabeth Dole, whose reelection race has slowly drifted from the "Likely Republican" column to a blue-leaning Toss Up, was among those voting "nay."

"While it may be easier for some in Congress to quickly pass a  bill, pat themselves on the back and say they've done their part to stabilize the  markets, then pack up and head home - I say we must take the time to get this  right," wrote Dole in a statement. "Now is the time for careful, deliberate actions - not hasty, knee-jerk reactions. I will stand up for the taxpayers and vote no."

(Dole's opponent, Democrat Kay Hagan, released a statement after the vote to indicate that she also would have voted against the bailout.)

Republican Sen. Roger Wicker of Mississippi is also in a fight for reelection and also opposed  the bill, with an eye towards taxpayer dollars. "At its core," he said in a written statement, "this is still the same plan that calls on taxpayers to go $700 billion  further into debt in an attempt to fix this problem, while doing absolutely nothing to prevent it from happening again."

Louisiana's Mary Landrieu, who has gained in most state polls but is still considered the Senate's most vulnerable Democrat, also opposed the bill.

John Sununu of New Hampshire, Gordon Smith of Oregon, and Norm Coleman of Minnesota all voted in favor of the financial rescue package. 

Senate leaders praised both presidential candidates and vice presidential candidate  Joe Biden for returning to the Senate chamber from the trail to vote "aye" on the  measure. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell told reporters after the vote that the candidates played a "constructive role" in hammering out the compromise.

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I hope the good voters of North Carolina realize that their Senator just voted against their 401k, their home mortgage and their next new car
Those Senators who voted for this bill betrayed their constituents, betrayed their states, betrayed their country, and betrayed the foundations of capitalism. Each and every one of these people need to be arrested for committing an act of treason.
Sadly this article covers only two of the THREE candidates in North Carolina's Senatorial race.  To ignore the influence of smaller parties, especially in close races like this one, is a real disservice to the voters and to MSNBC's viewers/readers.

Chris Cole is the Libertarian candidate in the race.  Here is more info on him.  Maybe the corporate media can find him if we just force feed the info to them.

http://www.lpnc.org/2008/us_senate.php
I need/want/demand real info aboutthis thingy?

what is the legal name of the bill?

what is the other bill that was combined with the recovery package?

and why is the media being so fracking misleading about this the details?
It's was one thing to appropriate $700,000,000,000.00 for unscrupulus financial practices of the past, but what about all the earmarks and tax exemptions that were loaded on to H.R. 1424.  It all starts on page 113, ending with the last page 451.

What a slap in the face to ALL taxpayers.
This is sickening, just sickening.
AAarg! I can't believe they did it! Why not take back the FAT bonuses of the CEOs who failed their companies? Let that money be spent FIRST!!!!
Sadly, I feel that our Congressmen and women have been put in a terrible place - voting for the lesser of two evils, much as I felt in the 2004 Presidential Election, choosing to vote not for John Kerry, but rather against George Bush.

I watched Fast Money on CNBC Monday night after the stock market plummeted earlier in the day, and watched as the traders and market specialists on the show berated a Republican House member for voting no, and not understanding that he was essentially doing nothing as "Rome burned around him."

It is scary to imagine that these Wall Street specialists believe that the American people, and their elected representatives will hastily hand over a large sum of money to the same Wall Street tycoons and fat cats who got us into this mess, without completely understanding the problem, the outcome and the possible resolutions that are being offered.

While Wall Street may understand this issue more than any of us (which is almost certainly true), they fail to grasp that we, as Americans, demand protections and guarantees that will prevent excessive hanky-panky within the financial sector, leaving us, the taxpayers and voters, holding the bag for this disaster, and the future disaster that would most certainly result from giving free money to these immoral, and unscrupulous parties.
"McCain and the Republicans always put the country club first."
--Keith, PA

Country Club First. That's a good one Keith

At least Obama is being sincere. Obama said...

“If you – the American taxpayer – are not getting your money back, then we will change how this program is being managed. If need be, we will send new legislation to Congress to make sure that taxpayers are protected in line with the principles that I have put forward,”

We can admit the bailout boils down to trust.

I almost 99% certain those people who know the McCain  camp has lied about Obama's background and legislation will also reign in the undecided; the hunger for change and thinkprogress.org, factcheck.org, politifact, and others expose their sleazy  lies.

Trust is the real deal. I for one cannot trust a proven liar
McCain=more of the same
Enough
No way
No how
No McCain!
Nobody but Obama
Obama/Biden 08/12



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Michelle Bernard go to commentate on Fox Noise where you belong. You too are a lying republican.
oh, my.  I honestly don't know whether this bill will ultimately work, I guess I'll have to rely on my congressmen's judgement but, I fully intend to hold them accountable not just for this vote but, their ability and judgement to correct the bill if needed.
Where can I find a list of the 74 Senators that voted yes to this farce?  There has to be something inherently wrong with any bill that has written into it a tax break for manufacturers of children's wooden practice arrows in order to secure a couple of votes.  Any senator who would vote yes because that measure was added needs to have his head examined and be shipped out of the country!!!
Little can be UNdone in Washington.

Get it right the first time, because once it's on the books, it's there to stay.

Don't trust anyone to "fix it later"; the system doesn't work that way.
Problem for Senator Dole is that she never "packs up and heads home." To North Carolina, that is. Dole lives in D.C., and only spends two weeks a YEAR in the Tarheel State. We're ready for a change, and this year, we're voting in a Senator from NC, who lives in NC, who knows the struggle of working people here in NC - Kay Hagan. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Libby!
Democracy Died Tonight

74 senators voted against their constituents who they are suppose to represent tonight.  The will of the people was sold out for politics and special interest.  I can’t believe that a so-called “rescue bill” was passed with $150,000,000,000 of pork in it, but nothing to prevent this from happening again.  I can see why their approval rating is in single digits.  I just hope the House will do the right thing and kill this bill.
74 sen voted for this bailout  and almost 70 percent of the people wanted a no vote , very interesting ,   remember senators at re-election time,because we will.
you all sold us down the river for a temporary fix.
Any version of such bill that puts the American taxpayer on the hook is flawed and testimony of the short sightedness and greed that infests the political system.  All of these politicians should be ashamed of themselves and do not deserve anyones vote.  Its time for all of them to find jobs in the service industry.
First read, please take note.  I am sure you know you need a new format.  This is like trying to write on the back of your dog spot, on a rainy day.....Breaking down the b.....Is like the story of the ten blind men....One less penny to pay.......break it down.....go hunting with Dick Cheney.......go shoot homeless Vet's in Alaska with Sarah........go take a cold shower or something to wake up......if you like reporting "Gun's and Rose's", then "Welcome to the Jungle".....and report it.....you people come over like, "this little boy or girl tryed to tinkle far, but they got their feet wet.........
Please do NOT support this so called bailout or rescue.  I have 3 bueatiful daughters.  I do not want to leave them a huge bill from our mistakes.  Most of the top economist say they don't think it will work.  I understand what will happen if it doesn't pass.  I don't understand why everybody keeps saying the voters don't get.  My intelligence has been insulted.  My faith in the democratic system has been destroyed.  Most people are against this yet congress is still pushing it down our throats.  Congress was supposed to be elected to represent our views.  Congress was not elected to say, my people are not smart enough to make a decision so I must do what I think is right.  The vast majority does not support this bill.  I am an idenpendent vorter and was leaning toward Obama.  I think now I am going to write in Ron Paul.  The vote may not count but at least someone gets my vote that actually listens to what the people want.  I will check to see where my reps voted on this issue and it will be remembered when their name is on the ticket.
America is about to be official deemed dead.  Now we live in the USSA-  Union of Socialist States of America.  Watch as we selfishly mortgage our country's future so your portfolios stay healthy.  Shame on us.
Obama also stood up on the floor and addressed the lawmakers regarding his decision and encouraging them likewise. McCain issued a paper statement. Most members of congress and decision makers in the country are looking more and more towards Obama for leadership.
YOU'RE FIRED!  77% of Americans did not want a bailout! All of you that voted for a bailout just sold out America.
In the presidential debate both Obama and McCain said that they would work to cut earmarks out of legislation. Now a bill that failed the house comes to the senate a $100 billion of pork is added to it and both Obama and McCain not only vote for it but encourage their fellow members to vote on it. If you could ask either candidate why rum distillers need a tax break or how this helps the Wall Street problem you will just get a run around answer. We need a change and maybe Nader or Barr should get our vote. A vote for Obama or McCain is a Vote for four more years of the same corrupt government.
Americans get exactly the type of Government they deserve by voting in and reelecting these clowns time and time again.There's not a dime's bit of differnce between a Democrat or a Republican.As for all this"CHANGE"that Obama and McCain have been flapping their gums about...Here's a prime example of it.The 2 of them are both financialy backed heavily by Wall Street so they're just a couple of more Lackey's that are part of the PROBLEM with this Country.I hadn't planned on voting for either one of them and this vote seals the deal!!
Good for you, Elizabeth Dole.
OBAMA NOR MCCAIN HAVE ANY GUTS=I WAS FOR OBAMA UNTIL I SEE THE CHILDRENS VIDEO AND I THINK OF HILTER, AND OBAMA SPEECH IN GERMANY, AND HIS SOCIALIST VIEWS NOW SCARCE ME TO DEATH. MY DAUGHTERS WHO ARE WHITE WERE GUNG HO OBAMA BUT ARE SEEING ANOTHER SIDE THAT WANTS TO PUNISH WHITES.  this new bill is so full of pork when we are supposed to be hurting.
Throw the bums out.  It is time for a non-violent revolution.
Which Senators or Congressmen were responsible for the pork, were the earmarks necessary to get their votes?  Why isn't anyone talking about the earmark for Alaska's fisherman included in the bill?  
McClown better do something pretty quick... it's not looking good at all for him

http://www.electoral-vote.com/
Passing this ill-concieved ripoff of this nation, will earn our government the deserved description of "Organized Crime in Action".
I am not sure that this bill is the best thing to do, but I do agree that something needed to be done, and the alternative would be much worse. I still feel that a loan of sme nature with regulations and over sight attached would be a better solution and let the companies pull themselves out just like anyone else would have to do.

I do think that the companies should have to devalue their holdings to show what the true value is as of today. As the values in these properties increase then let the values on the books incease as well. I also think the companies should work and try to refinance as many of the mortagages as possible, even if it means extended or adding several years onto the original time periods.
The reason for "the bail out" bill has not just occurred in the past three weeks.  It has been brewing over time.  No one picked up on the fact that it was happening, or at least they did not bring it to the attention of people that needed to know (the taxpayers, investors, and retirees).  We have been experiencing "trickle down live on your credit cards economics" for a very long time.  I have no idea how to fix it, but I also suspect that no one in power does either.  We have gotten ourselves into a mess.
Earlier, on Morning Joe, Sen. McCain railed against President Bush for his rare vetos of bills crossing his desk.  

I would like an interviewer to put this question to Sen. McCain.  

"You have a long history of being adamant against pork.  If you were President, and the improved bill with $100,000,000,000 in "sweeteners" passed the House and came to your desk, would you veto it?"
It has become nearly impossible to think of Palin as a VP. She has no knowledge of anything. Her interview is totally embarrassing. As an Independent, McCain's choice convinces me to vote Obama. He hyad 20 better options, especially Romney, due to economics....which McCain does not understand. This is headed toward a landslide for the Democrats.
Of course Dole has not offerred any alternative plan nor part of an alternative plan nor any suggestion as to what exactly is wrong with this bill, nor what could make this bill better.

Dole just looked at the popularity of the bill and not the potential ramifications for all of us and voted no.
so glad that the bailout included 128B of pork. Where are my wooden arrows, Jamaican rum, and wool?  And, which racetrack will I be going to? Disgusting. At a time when we're ask to cough up 700B, they SPEND 128B on this stuff.
It's really sad that this crappy bill is passing and the voters have no say in it. We've overwhelmingly have told our elected officials that we don't want it and they are passing it anyway. They are using scare tactics such as saying our 401Ks will be harmed(a lie) to justify the bill. Most of our financial intitutions are stable. Only the ones that got greedy and borrowers that over-extended themselves are affected. We need term limits, NOW!
Provide the bailout bill  to the American People for our review and then let us do the vote on it? I do not see the senate as a true representative  of the American People. How many in the senate today are about to loose their house or living pay check to pay check? How many in the senate have less that $1,000 saved in the bank? How many in the senate are considered lower middle class? How many in the senate have or is about to file for bankruptcy?

When Enron, WorldCom, and the likes went into bankruptcy, those executives repsonsible for "oversight" ended up with jail terms. Do you expect the same for those Congressional Chairpersons of the Banking and Finance Committees, and the Secretary of the Treasury, who ALLOWED this to happen on their watch?  Of course not.  They are all in the pockets of the industry they purportedly oversee.
Sad to see that someone feels sorry for the Congress that put us in this mess along with a President # 42 who pushed for it to be passed. Along with Acorn kicking the banks to make the loans to people who could never make the payments in the first place. Talk about community oganiziers, now who was known for doing that in the Chicago. Dang Mr. Obama if I'm not mistaken! Any way people enjoy the benefits your going to get if he gets elected! You'll have nothing!!!
Lack of social responsibility got us into this mess, and only social responsibility will get us out.  I am shocked and discouraged that our elected Senators chose to first go against the will of the people - the people who control this country, and second, chose to not only approve a knee-jerk 'solution' to a complex problem, but even added pork on top.  It's time that our elected officials remembered that we are a country of human beings - individuals who have hopes and dreams.  We are NOT constitutents, taxpayers or consumers - we are people.  Politicians - start treating us like the hard-working, hopeful, caring individuals that we are.  
If this bill is passed with no payout to the taxpayer,who is the loser in this,we are in for more of the same only worse.It will set us up for even more substandard pay, a majority of people who will be denied credit for anything, which will create vast areas of emty houses along with more tent cities.Until the lenders and wall street learn to bend a little and give what they are now asking for I.E.a break, because they got greedy and made bad decisions, this will only happen again.Working together we can pull ourselves out of the mire and become strong as a nation again, working only for the benifit of the top 20 per cent, overall we will surely fail.
I watched McCain interview on Morning Joe, McCain was talking about pork spending being so terrible and has to stop. Mika Brzezinski asked McCain why he voted for this bill when it is loaded with pork,his answer was pretty lame. I believe I detected some anger in his face for being asked this question.
Its time for a change , the road to hell is paved by
Republicans. About 75% of all politicians can not be trusted and they think the american people are stupit . The time has come to start a strong third party and take this country back. There is so much greed in Washington and on wall street we need to to clean house with what ever means possible.
Well, the senate did it again. We the American taxpayers just got screwed and we didn't even get kissed first.

Thank you Senator Snort and Congressman Huff N.Puff. I hope that you enjoy your next power lunch with those lobbyists and industry representatives that you just sold out to.
I can't believe I'm writing on this liberal news website but I just want to let you know you win. I'm a 19 year extremely conservative former (as of yesterday)Republican. I'm voting for Obama. Obama's flat out tells you he's a socialist McCain pretends to be something else. I'm a proud business owner who just 2 months ago got a $15,000 line of credit (liquidity crisis?). I'm a strong believer in free enterprise with rules to make sure all compete fairly. I've called and emailed all my reps & did the same w/McCain & advised them I'll vote for Obama but they don't care. McCain didn't even fight against the 150 billion in pork! You'd think at least he'd do that until he got elected. What a pig!
I pray (can you say pray on this website:))that others are doing the same. I know I could vote for an independent but it's critical to me that McCain loses a vote and Obama gains one.
The land of the free just made us all prisoners...
that's it!  i will be working throughout my retirement.  my kids will be saddled with this debt until the end of time...their kids will be dealing with this debt until the end of time...their grandchildren will be dealing with this debt until the end of time.  i would rather have this economy shrink and come out on the other side stronger than deal with this mees.  


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