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Palin, a female Giuliani?

Posted: Thursday, October 02, 2008 5:31 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC's Aram Roston
In Alaska, everyone now knows, Sarah Palin is treated like a treasure. Even if her popularity has dwindled a bit in the last few weeks as the Alaskans wonder if their government has been taken over by the McCain campaign, the governor's ratings are still sky-high. That  means that some of those who oppose her often do so in secret, especially when the flood of reporters came to town in September.
 
“She has the ability to make men stupid,” one woman active in Republican politics told me.

Her comment seemed as good as any at explaining McCain's vice presidential candidate. And of course this woman was one of a minority in Alaska: those who despise Sarah Palin. For the truth is quite clear, after I spent three weeks in Alaska, Palin inspires love and loyalty on the one hand, and fear and hatred on the other. She is, above all, divisive.
 
In some ways, as I interviewed Alaskans about her, it became clear that she seemed to have the attributes of another politician I had once covered, thousands of miles away. She could be seen as a female version of the younger Rudolph Giuliani. It seemed almost fitting that he introduced her at the Republican National Convention in Minneapolis, his flashing charisma a buildup to her own. They are counterweights to each other.
 
Even her remarkable political ascent seems to parallel his. She and McCain lose no opportunity to point to the way she took on the “good ol' boy” network of the Republican Party. And so she did, launching an assault on ethics violations by the Chairman of Alaska's Republican Party.

Giuliani too, who made his mark as U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of New York, had once clashed with the New York Republican Party. In the 80s he was known to have tense relations with then Sen. Alfonse D'Amato, then seen as the power broker of the Republican Party. The public learned, apparently from Giuliani's office, that D'Amato had interceded on behalf of known Mafia figures Paul Castellano and Vincent "The Chin" Gigante. And in 1994, Giuliani even endorsed a Democrat for governor instead of D'Amato's chosen pick.
 
For Palin, as she ran for governor, it was her rejection of the state's Republicans that helped her achieve her stature as a politician who soared above party lines. Her most important enemies in Alaska were the entrenched Republicans
 
Like Giuliani, she is surrounded by a team of fanatically loyal operatives. Giuliani had Christina Lategano and Randy Mastro. Mastro has stayed with him for more than 20 years, a remora fish that would never leave. Palin, though, has her Meg Stapleton, who does daily briefings for her, attacking those who have slighted her in Alaska. She has her political aides like Frank Bailey, or her administrative aide Ivy Frye, who emailed her, “You're so awesome.”
 
Also like Giuliani, Palin seems to have a vindictive side. I remember how Giuliani, back as mayor of New York, used to enforce his will on those who slighted him. The New York Times ran an article this year recalling how, when former mayors Dinkins and Koch critiqued then-Mayor Giuliani, their official portraits were quickly removed from public view in City Hall.

Once when a driver in The Bronx exposed Mayor Giuliani to ridicule by uncovering a police red light trap near the Bronx Zoo, the NYPD put the man in cuffs on a 13-year-old traffic warrant.

“Mr. Schillaci was posing as an altruistic whistle-blower,” Mayor Giuliani weighed in. “Maybe he's dishonest enough to lie about police officers.”
 
Sarah Palin, of course, seems to settle a score with a vengeance.

“She carries a grudge,” as one official in Alaska put it.

It was this that seemed to drive her and her gubernatorial administration as they pushed to end the career of a state trooper who had a clashed with the Palin family during a custody battle with Palin's sister.

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"“She has the ability to make men stupid,” one woman active in Republican politics told me. "
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No doubt .. starting and holding with McCain !
Golly, you could have posted this as an article rather than a blog entry...
She doesn't make men stupid. It's just that trying to decipher one of her meandering sentences to nowhere is like trying to solve a quadratic equatiuon with a few numbers missing.

Although, the Giuliani comparison does hold up, since he, also, was a highly touted Republican with immense popularity, until people started voting.
She is much more like George W. Bush.
"those who oppose her often do so in secret"

closer to Putin than even she thinks?
we all saw what happended with Gulliani's bid for the whitehouse. He withdrew after he put all cards on deck in fl. could it be de ja vu all over again?
At least when Giuliani spouted off a noun, a verb, and 9/11, he got them in the right order.  Palin must be short for PALes in comparisON.  http://enough2008.blogspot.com/2008/10/vp-debate-will-pit-attaboy-joe-against.html
Even worse!
(If you can believe it...)
If she is a female Giuliani, then why wasn't she the one out making the media circuit after the 1st presidential debate?  Oh, thats right, she's an idiot.  I forgot.
All Hail, Obama New Network (MSNBC). You liberal hacks have sent us independents away.
Sarah and this lady need to read the news more!
Gwen Ifill will like you though. Sarah smile, like begets like. Gwen is a woman just like you. Gwen's book shouldn’t intimidate you. So don't scream sexism or that the decks are stacked because of the book. And whatever you don't repeat Giuliani's verbiage.
With Mccain/Palin, The Worst Is Yet To Come.
No how!
No McCain/Palin!
Nobody but Obama/Biden

Palin is still loved by Alaskans? Her rating numbers amoung Alaskans have dropped from 82% to 68% in a few short weeks and will most likely drop to the mid or low 40s before this campaign is over. You call this a love fest? She is no longer the most loved Governor in the U.S.
Not really a fan of Giuliani and am totally not a fan of Palin. I don't care how well she does tonight.

Independant, Soccer Mom. Thanks but no thanks to Palin.
I'm not sure we need more vindictiveness and personally-motivated vengeance (like the whole Rove-Libby-Wilson-Plame thing).

We need government that the people can lean on for their freedoms, not one that takes advantage of the trust of good people and the bigotries of the evil (e.g. Giuliani's frequent use of the phrase "Islamic terrorism").
“She has the ability to make men stupid."  Like John McCain when he picked her to be his running mate!
Alaskans are more than welcome to keep Caribou Barbie on November 4 ... if not sooner !!!  :)
Giuliani is an a-hole, I hope Sarah isn't.

Btw:My girlfriend practiced law in New York and that's how she described him to me.

No McCain/Palin!
Nobody but Obama/Biden
Aram Roston - Alaska women are not in the minority when it comes to their dislike of Palin, don't judge us all by Anchorage and Wasilla.  Alaska includes the populated Southeast which has many smaller outlying communities and we are not Palin puppets.  When in Anchorage, did you miss the large anti-Palin rally's being held on the streets that received the strong support of passers by?  This Alaskan is sickened by yet another Alaska politician showing their true colors for the world to see, to the detriment of Alaska.  Alaskans must better educate themselves before voting for these idiots that govern our State, bottom line.  Stevens, Young and Palin, the three stooges.  
Sarah Palin may be govenor of Alaska, but she is not qualified to be (vice) president. Instead of being honest and saying she doesn't know, she goes on and on and says absolutley nothing and she wonders why the media  plays these clips over and over again. They could not believe what they heard.

With expectations for her so low tonight, it will be a very interesting 90 minutes. I wonder if she can answer any question directly without skirting the issue.

Palin---vindictive, childish former "beauty" queen---Is NOT qualified in any shape or form to be VP---Honey, you are NO Hillary Clinton.....
"She has the power to make men stupid".

Only STUPID men fall for it.  AKA McBush!

Enough said!
This was evident during the republican national convention. They both were incredibly rude when speaking about Obama and it showed a clear lack of respect for the country and the democratic process.

http://lastofourkind.blogspot.com
I am looking forward to "Tina Fey/SLN Lampooning" of the debate.  This is political satire at its best.
If Palin is a female Giuliani than Biden is a male Ferraro ... who is seen regularly on Fox News.

Palin is the jewel of the team. All of you left wing Olbermann idol worshippers wish you could multi-task the way she does and keep the house going and keep an eye on the Alaskan energy pipeline ... and so on.
You people have trouble talking when you chew gum. You know, it's that old blah blah sound. Even Slick Willie likes her but then he likes anything in a skirt.

Good luck tonight, Sarah. Remember to bite Biden first and tell Gwen Ifill what you think about the bias PBS has imposed on this debate by using her as a
pro-Obama moderator.

'...“She has the ability to make men stupid,” one woman active in Republican politics told me. ...'

IT WORKED !!

Are you sure you wanted to do THAT to McCain ?

When's the LAST time you spoke to Bush ??

She may make men stupid, however, women can see right through her -- and Palin knows it.  That is why she was able to skate through interviews with Charlie Gibson and Sean Hannity, but Katie Couric nailed her.  Palin knew she couldn't cutesy her way out of Couric's questions and that made her nervous.  She will not be able to "skirt" the issues and answers with Gwen Ifil either.
I don't think Giuliani will be that sexy if he was a woman LOL. Giuliani is a moron, he doesnt know anything, and he didn't even win a state! Another sore loser... guess that makes sense comparing her to him!

Go Obama!!

Sarah Palin is more like a female Daffy Duck

Or a female Gracie Allen

John McCain as George Burns ?
It's absolutely amazing to me that you guys (First Read) spend enough time to bring us this kind of perspective on Sarah Palin (only the VP candidate), who most of you are ridiculing and calling a light weight anyway and YET, you don't even try to bring us the same perspective on Barack Obama, who is the Presidential candidate of his ticket. IF it's so crucial for us to learn abot the trooper issue and to know that people either love her or hate her in Alaska.....shouldn't we learn the same about Barack Obama in Chicago and Illinois and in his earlier days???  Shouldn't we be "educated" about how his political career was launched at Bill Ayer's (the World Trade bomber terrorist) house, how they have served for years together on the same board (although Obama only calls him a "neighbor").  And also, Obama's relationship with convicted felon Tony Rezko and how Obama was close enough with Rezko to get a sweetie real estate deal through him?  And what about his years in the state senate...working shoulder to shoulder with the most corrupt political machine around (Cook County...the Stroegers....Chicago with the Daleys...etc).  What did he learn from that political machine?  Did it produce a "new" kind of politics in him?  What about his work with the radical left-socialist group ACORN which Pelosi and friends recently tried to direct $$ to in their initial baliout package bill?   This group has been busted repeatedly for voter fraud and other indiscretions and Obama worked closely with them.  What influence did they have on him??? Etc, etc.

First Read, do you really think we're all so ignorant that we don't notice that your reporting is all in one direction?  How do you as paid journalists and "professionals" sleep at night when you betray your profession which calls for objectivity?
A style tip: "Remora fish" is redundant. Like saying "eagle bird."

Otherwise, this was just sad: "Find three parallels between a vicious, unsuccessful New York hack and a sarcastic, dishonest Alaskan overreacher."
Sen. Biden is a notorious plagiarizer. We wonder whose words he's going to steal for tonight's debate? At least Gov. Palin is sincere and speaks from the heart; unlike the overly scripted Obama and Biden team, with their 300 advisors pulling their puppet's strings.
I agree, she is like a younger female Guliani.  It's like Biden said before, Guliani's speaches have a noun, a verb, and 9/11 - no substance.  She is just the same.  Beside, how can you be a woman, against womens rights?  She's a disgrace to be running for such a powerful position!
Aram Roston may want to do a little more investigative reporting before falling back on old news.  If Sarah Palin is so popular in Alaska, why is she motivating people to participate in anti-Palin rallies in the state, the most recent of which was September 27?

And as far as any comparisons to Rudy Giuliani- do you really want to draw them?  Other than the nasty, vindictive speeches at the RNC, all I've got as a common thread between these two is...dresses.
Palin is going to turn this into the VP Comedy Hour starring Sarah Palin.  Biden will be the straight man.  Personally I'm tired of her one-liners and sarcasim. I want to see substance. But, if nasty jabs are all you have then....
Politico:

'...ST. LOUIS — Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) now must win Pennsylvania, Wisconsin or Minnesota in order to get enough electoral votes to win the presidency, his campaign says.

Those were considered swing states in 2000 and 2004, but George W. Bush lost them both times.

“Our ability to pick off one of those three states is where our fortunes are largely held,” a McCain official said. “These are states where Barack Obama is on the defense.” ...'

IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN, Johnny !!
Obama is SOLIDLY AHEAD IN ALL THESE STATES !!

Better worry about Virgina, North Carolina and Colorado

You're GOIN' DOWN, BOY

I think Sarah Palin is going to do great tonight.  Unfortunately it will not erase the interviews I have seen of her.  She was so comfortable with Sean Hannity (even though he was assisting with her responses) and yet she was totally different with Charlie and Katy. It is disturbing that she has to be coached to answer "what newspaper you read".  I am a woman and I want her to do good but in this case, I don't appreciate the way she is handled. If you get in the race, take the good with the bad and stop whining.  If McCain wins, she can't us her charm and one-liners to represent the United States of America.  This is serious and I am scared.
What do you expect ENOUGH ALREADY 8 years is all we need during these troubled times. Palin is a joke and so was Ghooliani. A noun a verb and 911.
If Gov. Palin wants to be a pitbull in the big leagues with the big boys, then this garbage about treating her like a lady is again pure garbage.

If she can dish it, she has to take it, what a double standard!
Why are you wasting your time writing about an election that is already over.  Palin could turn water into wine tonight and it would not change one single voters mind about the McCain ticket.  You write that she is the female Giuliani.  Does that mean she fought crime by making deals with mob bosses too?  Also does that mean she would put the main control center for your emercengy contact system in the dumbest place possible?  I know you want to have sex with Palin very badly, but put your sexual interests aside sir.  She is a horrible speaker, ignorant when it comes to domestic and international issues and is not qualified to work in Washington Politics.  She is a small child trying to work in in a big boys world.  Palin and McCain will be lucky if their politics careers aren't finished after this election is over.  
What happened to electing officials because they stood for honesty, integrity and intelligence. Ms Palin seems to only be interested in getting elected, attacking anyone in her way and lying to get ahead. Not the type of person I want my daughter to grow up to be. I'm all for strong women, just not dishonest ones.
We dig to find for the truth the whole truth and only the truth But not on this planet.Just not gonna happen... we hear one side and then the other and then they compromise, all is said to be good so we have nothing. So belive in nothing, expect nothing and all is good..Both sides represent the same interests..
Does Biden still believe that FDR was president during the great depression and that people watched him on tv back then? ......  Hounders (Sent Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:47 PM)

Wikipedia says:

"Commercially available since the late 1930s, the TELEVISION set has become a common communications receiver in homes, businesses and institutions, particularly as a source of entertainment and news."

- and -

"During the Great Depression of the 1930s, ROOSEVELT created the New Deal to provide relief for the unemployed, recovery of the economy, and reform of the economic and banking systems."  

Honders, laugh if you will, but Roosevelt was President of the United States during the depression and television was around during that time. I guess Senator Biden was right, after all.

By the way, Elizabeth from the VIEW, follows the same delusion.  So, you are not entirely alone  - - - just uninformed.
We all know that MSNBC is trying to cause the news and the outcome of the election as per your owners that stand to benefit from an NObama president.  Don't you know the American people have caught on to your ploy!

NOboma NOvember.
no way, Giuliani at least had the brains to finish law school. her IQ can't exceed 90. her toxic personality however is at 160 as it appears the only thing she knows how to do is attack
At least Guiliani could put a noun and verb together ( along with 9/11 ).
A female Giuliani? In what respect Chaarlee ?
speaking of a noun, a verb and 9/11. myths are a terrible thing to waste; even if they are only a myth. gov. palin obviously speaks to the right-wing evangelical, hunter, fishermen, oil pipeline crowd. is that all there is in alaska; or as she herself said, the "joe siz-pack." not being an evangelical myself, i did find this reference rather odd.
The only way Sara palin can win the debate is if she shows up in a thong bikini and starts giving away free lap dances to the audience! the tv ratings will go thru the roof! LOL
Apparently she has a very low IQ, which people seem to like.  Go figure.


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