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Obama blasts McCain on health care

Posted: Saturday, October 04, 2008 4:27 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC/NJ's Athena Jones

NEWPORT NEWS, Va. -- After weeks of talking about the economy in broad terms, Obama shifted to another pocketbook issue today, slicing into McCain for proposing changes that Obama said could spell the beginning of the end of employer-based health care.

The speech prompted a fierce back-and-forth between the campaigns, with each accusing the other of lying, culminating in the latest attempt by the McCain campaign to link Obama with '60s radical William Ayers.

While touting his own health-care plan to expand access to affordable coverage, Obama again tied McCain's proposals to the trauma in the markets, arguing the Arizona senator wanted to deregulate the insurance industry in the same way he helped deregulate the banking industry. Obama argued that would leave families without the basic protections they rely on.

"Here’s John McCain’s radical plan in a nutshell: He taxes health-care benefits for the first time in history; millions lose the health care they have; millions pay more for the health care they get; drug and insurance companies continue to make exorbitant profits profit; and middle-class families watch the system they rely on begin to unravel before their eyes," Obama told a crowd of some 18,000 people gathered at a waterfront park here. "Well, I don’t think that’s right. I'm pretty sure it ain't right."

The boisterous crowd shouted "that ain't right" at various times throughout the roughly 40-minute speech, which included no new policy proposals and was instead meant to highlight the differences between how each candidate's plan would affect voters.

Obama said that even with the economy in turmoil, the country could not afford not to fix the health-care system. He said his plan would reduce premiums, outlaw discrimination against people with pre-existing conditions, save money by using electronic medical records, help small business to cover their employees and help companies cover the costs for catastrophic illnesses. It would be paid for in part by ending tax cuts for the wealthy.

At one point, the Democratic nominee borrowed one of Palin's favorite lines, saying under his plan the government would say "thanks, but no thanks" to drug companies for overpriced drugs 

Campaign advisers, in a morning conference call, repeatedly cast the Republican's plan as a radical restructuring of the health-care system that would hurt many ordinary Americans -- part of an ongoing effort to convince voters the Republican is out of touch with the needs of working families and more concerned with helping the rich and corporate interests.

During his speech, Obama bashed McCain for his ties to lobbyists, including those who fought health-care reform in the 1990s and for voting against expanding the Children’s Health Insurance Program and supporting a cut in Medicare that would have raised premiums and out-of-pocket expenses for seniors.

A central part of Obama's arguement is that McCain's plan to pay for his health care tax credits -- $2,500 per person, $5,000 per family -- by taxing health care benefits "for the first time in history" would end up hurting people. He told the crowd that a person who makes $40,000 with employer-provided health insurance worth $10,000 would be taxed on an income of $50,000.

Obama's campaign planned a series of new radio and television ads, mailers and events in key swing states designed to drive the message that Obama's plan would do more to help ordinary people.

Battle of the press releases
The McCain campaign responded to the prepared remarks, which the Obama campaign sent out before his speech began, by accusing the senator of lying. “Barack Obama is lying to voters," Spokesman Tucker Bounds' email read in part. "It’s a bald faced lie because John McCain will improve the tax code so that middle-class paychecks aren’t used to pay government bureaucrats but instead will pay for the access to health care Americans deserve."

The Obama campaign then emailed its own response to what it called McCain's "health care lies."

“We understand why John McCain doesn’t want voters to know the full truth about his radical health-care plan, which would force at least 20 million Americans out of the health care they rely on, and let insurance companies, not doctors, make key decisions about families’ health," spokesman Bill Burton's statement read, going on to call any attempt to claim McCain's tax credit plan would not tax employee health benefits a "bald-faced lie."

The Obama campaign's response was followed shortly after by yet another dispatch from the McCain campaign, which seized on the Illinois senator's use of the word "radical."

“On a day when new reports have surfaced about Barack Obama's long association with a domestic terrorist, our Democratic opponent had the audacity to call John McCain's health care plan 'radical,'" Bounds wrote, referring to a New York Times article that explored the relationship between Obama and former Weather Underground member William Ayers. "The American people know radical when they hear it, and John McCain is not the candidate in this election they should be concerned about.”

Ayers was charged but not convicted with bombings his group planned to protest the Vietnam War. He worked with Obama on foundations in Chicago, but their relationship did not appear to be close, and the paper said there was little public evidence of their relationship since 2002. 

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Obama is hitting hard while McCain is reeling---there is no such thing as a knockout, but this is the right strategy.

Voted today, and it feels great.  Let's put the ball in the new guy's hands now.
Even with a tax credit going to the insurance companies, countless millions still can't afford the remaining costs of the healthcare premiums, the deductibles or the uncovered percentages in the event of major illness or injury. It's sounds great to McCain as he stands surrounded by wealth. His insular ideology is so unbelievably "out of touch" with reality. He really doesn't "get it" and he's slipping fast too.

Here is a link to a CNN tour of one of McCain's fully furnished mansions up for sale. I watched it on CNN but it is has recently (thankfully) been uploaded onto YouTube. It is really worth viewing to gain an immediate sense of John and Cindy's PERSPECTIVE - and to see the kitchen table they sat around when they thought about you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf3ErLSix3A

Barack and Joe OPPOSE government healthcare. Here's their plan:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
Is it a bald faced lie or a bold faced lie ?  How many guys called Tucker are there on the right? Thanks but no thanks to the McCain campaign, on the ropes.  Obama/Biden'08
If tossing the "Ayers" card back in to ring is the scariest tactic Freddie MacCain and Caribou
Barbie can come up with then sweet Jesus, hand them a tissue! Honestly, how pathetic can McCain be? If this stuff was going to bury Obama, then Hillary would be on the Dem ticket, now wouldn't she! I'm not looking for simple ways to cover health costs while health care and prescription prices remain status quo I want comprehensive Health Care Reform.  Even NY Mayor Bloomberg tells us without change this country will suffer. Poor John, he seems like he needs a nap!
I'm sure glad that the Democrats don't have to defend Obama the way republicans have to defend the McCain/Palin ticket's lies and distortions.  That would suck.  Thank god Obama hasn't been around long enough to roll around in the dog poop the way McCain has.  Obama has the right vision at a time America needs one, so dear lord please, save us from McCain!
Let the mud slinging begin. The McCain/Palin camplaign is so desperate that they will say anything to have a chance to win. I have some advice for them. Sarah, clean you gun. You will be hunting moose again soon. John, open a can of Bud, sit back in one of your 10 houses and retire.
So the McCain campaign cannot keep up with the back and forth on policy, so they revert to guilt by association?

Pathetic!
Get ready, Karl Rove is back in town.  This is just the first volley.  
When you have no plan, go dirty.
Sure glad Obama is finally taking McCain to task for his bad health care plan.  It sucks!
As a former (and reformed) health insurance agent, who was taught to cheat, steal and lie if I ever wanted to make a living in that field, I can state that deregulating health insurance and leaving it up to people to "shop around" would result in many people being taken for a costly ride yielding inadequate coverage and increasingly expensive policies worth only the paper on which they are printed. National health insurance is a must in a developed country and the time has come to offer it to every legal tax-paying resident, indiscriminately.  Why the US has consistently refused to study other countries' health insurance systems and to come up with- and implement its own has been a puzzlement to me since I first came to live here, 26 years ago.  Once again, America sinned by its arrogance and undue pride and finds itself now forced to reajust its position and, God Forbid, even to look at "Old" Europe for guidance.  Well, Europe didn't become "Old" without exercising a certain wisdom and common sense, which allowed it to keep on going and even thrive when our American society crumbles, one deregulated industry after another.  For some reason, Americans have been told that "National" meant "Socialized".  What a crock! And come to think of it, where is the wrong in prioritizing and agreeing that, indeed, "socialization" does have a place in a "society" and that some institutions are better managed when nationalized...?
So the McCain campaign decides not to actually debate the Obama camp's claims about the GOP candidate's health care plan, and instead all but claims that Obama is a terrorist. The McCain campaign is disgusting and pathetic. They should be ashamed of themselves.
Who cares? Obama was 8 and he has denounced the guy.
I support Barack Obama. But this is getting out of hand. When will someone present the WHOLE truth of the fundamental differences between the two canidates on the issues that will affect Americans.

Going after a canidate related to policy is one thing, going after their character is another. How low will the republican party sink. The only people they will appeal to are the republicans who will already vote for McCain.

Democrats get ready for the onslaught. Just remember why you support Barack Obama. He will bring change and no amount of mudslinging from the desperate and I mean desperate republicans should influence you opinion. Do not cave into their tatics. We need to stand strong.

McCain's people better be careful. If they start, they may be sorry as Obama stays on topic, there will be others who go for the republican jugular. Those republican skeletons in the closet will become public knowledge and all this will become is a smear campaign.

This also goes to show you that the republican party does not hsve confidence in McCains policies. If they did, they would build them up instead of tearing down someone else to make themselves look good. Do you really want that kind of leader in Washington?

Obama/Biden 08!!
John McCain/Sarah Palin- "The Old Man and the C minus candidate".
Thank you Christine Marais for your information and insight.

We are going to get through this by voting for the right president.

We Americans are strong and resilient—We have gotten this far!
Sarah Palin and why she is in this race for president. Think back to George Bush and how he began as governor of Texas. Keith is close but he still doesn't get it. His show was on to it when he was show Bush clips from 2000 and Sarah's debate clips from Thursday.

Tell America to listen up this is serious. Sarah Palin is the female Bush. She has been trained in GOPAC. She is the neocons next puppet to take control of the United States. SHe is no accident. She has been in Alaska for a reason. Some history, remember when the neocons take a baseball team owner and turned him into the governor of texas. This is the same that they are doing with Sarah Palin. That is why she works with Bush advisors. McCain is in great danger these neocons have a plan. I dont see him making much longer. He doesn't know what's happening to him.  That is why she is so confident. It comes from the plans that the neocons have for her.

I am still upset re: Tom Brokaw's last comment on Meet The Press last week. After a reseanable debate between Rep's and Dem's; he stated that McCain was still ahead in the commander-in-chief polls. It was an old poll, and definately showed Brokaw's bias. Russett would never had done that!!!! Why has this not been critized like Campbell Brown?
Wow, McSame and Failin are REALLY scary!! Please America, don't be distracted bythe GOP's dirty tactics again. Keep your eye on the ball!!
I find it interesting that the McCain and Palin are distorting Barack Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers and accusing him of being a friend of terrorists. Didn't Sarah Palin speak at an event for the Alaska Independence Party, a party to which her husband belonged, and encourage them to "keep up the good work." I believe that secession, which this party espouses, is treason and since Palin has a close association with her husband and his buddies, then one might call her a traitor.
We have enough of radicals who want to re-structure how our government and agencies work until they don't work. They say government is not the answer and then set about to make it a self fulfilling prophecy because they don't know how to run it and make it work. The neocons and Bush are radicals and instituted big changes for the worse. McCain and Palin are the same. They can't wait to start tearing down because they don't know how to build up. They pitch gimmicks and quick fixes. They are guided by wrongheaded theories and ideology that they assure you will work magic if you just trust them. And they will lie whenever it suits them,.

Obama will be a calm and steady leader who won't make sudden turns but will have a thought-out long-term plans for progress.

More or the radical Republicans in charge or a down to earth adult for a change. Your choice.
Ayers was charged and not convicted of something when Obama was 8 years old. But we have a Vice Presidential candidate who is near being charged with breaking the law in her home state and refuses to cooperate. This VP candidate Palin could faceconviction for a government offense and should. It's possible she may even have to be removed from the ticket before the election. What a bag of reckless people do we have with McCain and Palin? They're very mode of operating is dangerious. Like Rove and Cheney they will lie their way through government. McCain and Palin will only bring shame on the nation.
Yes Mr McBush tax my health benefits and give it back as a tax credit to those who first have to find the money to buy the health insurance. Not all of us have that kind of cashflow - shows how out of touch you are from mainstream. Further more I cannot afford the extra coming out of my check to pay this bogus tax and my company will probably lower the quality of my health care. You just don't get it, but we do because we are not stupid. Enough of these republicans taking us for fools.


Obama was 8 when Ayres committed a crime.  

Bill Clinton pardoned him years and years later.  

He lives in the area that Obama lives in... he is a respected educator and neighbor.

Palin and mcGoo really make me sick.  

Too bad you are running against a man that has class and grace with a good heart, or all of your afairs and crooked pasts would be exposed.

                         Plus

I WANT A PRESIDENT AND VICE THAT ARE Smarter than a 5th grader!!!


When your campaign strategy is "We might not answer the questions posed to us but we will talk directly to the American people" it can only mean one thing --

The McCain/Palin ticket is desperate, realizes they are beat because their views and policies can't be discussed and laid out for true debate!!!!

All McCain and Palin have left are false attacks and an all out negative campaign in hopes that it will prevent Obama from having a Landslide Victory on November 4th.

It will backfire and give Obama a huge mandate.

McCain/Palin are a bridge to nowhere and we're not going to build it.

Obama equals CHANGE and the Future!
Anyone following the campaign has heard and dismissed the Ayers story long ago. They clearly have nothing else to attack with. They can attack on economics since they know they have lost that game. They can't attack on family values and morals with John McCain leading the pack and Obama and Biden are clearly faithful men. They can't attack on the war issues since McCain has clearly lost on that issue. And, the health care issue - one very high among Dems leaves John McCain licking wounds again because his plan won't fly with those who already can't afford health care. They only have mud and lies left. McCain the once so-called "honorable man" is soiling himself with dishonor once again. How anyone could vote for this Republican team is unreasonable. Oh...that's how they vote. Obama has a strong base, McBush is behind. Issues are out the window for the McCain campaign. It is now down to lies and mud.
Memo to McCain: Nobody gives a damn about Bill Ayers anymore. Face it, bub, you're eight points down in the Gallup poll and circling the drain.
I really hope that ALL American's are finally wise enough not to be sucked in by Karl Rove's tactics.  We are paying the price for lazy sound bite politics.  
Doesn't anyone find it strange that stories that had died long ago because they had no merit suddenly show up in every publication on a single Saturday morning?  What kind of 'journalism' is this???  Coming from Newsweek, and the New York Times???  
It isn't just our economy that's totally screwed up.
Have you noticed that McCain only mentions a $5,000 tax credit when he's talking about his insurance plan.  He doesn't mention that it is only $2,500 if you're single, and he doesn't mention that he's going to tax employer paid health insurance.  That's a tax increase!  No, he hides behind the term, "budget neutral".  Thank you, Christine Marais, for telling it like it is about the insurance industry!  I'm currently fighting with my company over a hospital claim.
To me, the McCain health care fix is no fix at all.  It will only provide for healthy Americans to get insurance.  For those of us with pre-existing conditions 2500.00 (for a single) is a joke! Two years ago I tried to get health insurance and the premium quoted was 685.00 a month. I only earn 1500.00 a month, so how do I pay for the other 8 months insurance premiums?  And there are millions of Americans like me in a similar predicament.  
I've heard that we have the best health care system in the world.  Unfortunately I dont have access to it and its slowly killing me.
Mc Creaky and Wind-Up Moose-Eatin' Barbie are at it again.. They have no plan, they have no respect for the American people. The road to fascism is paved with lies, distortions, demonizing and jingoistic chants...Be careful America..Don't be fooled again !
John Edwards house was paid for with you increased insurance rates, but don't worry John is real comfortable. BTW democrats aren't going to trade trial lawyer money for you. not unless the Lawyers can get something else. Now what could that be?  
The McCain camp seems to have a real problem with the truth, the more his campaign falls apart the louder he shouts about Obama.   I'd have more respect for him if he start telling us why we should actually vote for him and Palin, instead of the constant finger pointing and telling us to be afraid.  
McCain sounds old and out of touch, like a cranky old man with questionable judgement.  Palin sounds like an airhead - her responses at the debate were rambling and often incoherrent, unless she remebered a soundbite she'd been groomed to give, she is certainly not qualified to be VP.  
It's no contest anymore - Obama/Biden 2008

AMERICA IS ABOUT TO MAKE A HISTORICAL DECISION ON ITS WAY OF LIFE

Numerous forces are at work, pressuring American voters into a decision during a time of extreme stress.

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/10/vote-critical-decision-in-dangerous.html

This is not a  time for knee-jerk or emotional reactions. Cool heads should prevail.  

"Ayers"  is the wrong subject for McCain/Palin to attack.  Most Americans don't have a clue who Ayers is.  You would think choosing a subjet of substance would be more affective -- oh then again.....


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