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Chuck Todd, NBC Political Director

Mark Murray, NBC Deputy Political Director

Domenico Montanaro, NBC News Political Reporter



McCain vs. Obama: The gloves come off

Posted: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 9:12 AM by Domenico Montanaro

Looking at yesterday’s tough back-and-forth, the New York Times’ Nagourney reminds us that both McCain and Obama promised better. “The change in tone formed a backdrop for the nationally televised debate between the two candidates on Tuesday night, the second of their three scheduled encounters. It comes when Mr. McCain is under increasing pressure to do something to turn around his campaign, with polls giving Mr. Obama an advantage in the race and in who Americans trust more to deal with the economy, the issue that now trumps all concerns.”

“Yet in shifting toward a more negative and personal message, the two campaigns risked seeming detached from the economic anxieties of voters at a time when the financial system is teetering. The risk could be especially great for Mr. McCain, who has ceded political ground to Mr. Obama during the financial crisis and has taken the more combative stance in recent days. A lacerating speech he gave Monday -- ‘Who is the real Barack Obama?’ Mr. McCain asked -- was shown on cable television juxtaposed with images of another horrible day on Wall Street.” 

Tone deaf? The Los Angeles Times' Wallsten writes, "Both campaigns have long planned for this newly negative moment, but with the world embroiled in an economic meltdown, the script is taking unexpected turns -- and the old lines of attack could fall flat."

Here’s the Wall Street Journal’s write-up of the new NBC/WSJ poll: “Independent voters are starting to swing behind Barack Obama and Joe Biden, who continue to benefit from economic turmoil and the public response to their debate performances… Voters were much more likely to say they felt good about Sen. Obama's handling of the current economic crisis than they were to say the same of Sen. McCain. About one in three voters said they were ‘more reassured’ by Sen. Obama versus just 25% who said that about Sen. McCain. Even worse, 38% of poll participants reported being "less reassured" by Sen. McCain's approach.”

And here is ours: Fueled in part by the candidates' responses to the current economic crisis -- as well as their performances at the first debates -- Barack Obama has increased his national lead over John McCain, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. Obama is ahead of McCain by six points, 49-43 percent, which equals his biggest lead in this poll. Two weeks ago, the Democratic nominee held a two-point advantage over his Republican counterpart, 48-46 percent.”

Meanwhile, a CNN poll shows Obama ahead of McCain nationally by eights points (53%-45%) among likely voters. “The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll out Monday afternoon suggests that the country's financial crisis, record low approval ratings for President Bush and a drop in the public's perception of McCain's running mate could be contributing to Obama's gains… That 8-point lead is double the 4-point lead Obama held in the last CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll, taken in mid-September. Watch why the economy is hurting McCain.”

And new CBS poll has Obama up four points (47%-43%) among registered voters and three points (48%-45%) among likely voters. 

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Yet in shifting toward a more negative and personal message, the two campaigns risked seeming detached from the economic anxieties of voters at a time when the financial system is teetering.
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Yes. Yes. YES!  The candidates should get back on message.  Hopefully, the debate tonight will get the conversation back to the economy and other pressing issues that America faces.  Not Bill Ayers.  Not Charles Keating.

http://thepajamapundit.com/
Pathetic.

Comparing the fact that Obama raised the Keating 5 to the idea that John McCain has shifted to an overtly racist Obama-Osama style smear campaign is a joke.

Parity doesn't exist here.  Obama lit a match, McCain burned down a house...and you all in the media waste our time by merely say "Well, they both started a fire."

Maybe you should try being journalists instead of complete corporate tools.
And if Obama needs anything else to answer McCain/Palin accusations of terrorism:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27062761

Glass houses, baby.  Glass houses.

Obama/Biden '08!

http://jawillie.blog.com
Its time for another "bold" attempt by McCain at distracting us from this "mental recession."

We all know the McCain camp likes to telegraph its low blows, and I think Palin herself telegraphed McCain's next move, when she said the heels were on and the gloves were off.

McCain, in a desperate attempt to show he's in touch with his inner feminine self, will show up at tonight's debate in drag.

Wait and see, and remember where you heard it first.
It was a grand slam last night for Keith Olbermann, exposing Sarah Palin for who she is really is. It's unfortunate that Keith has to do these Special Comments, but sometimes politicians sink so low that just a news story isn't enough. We're living in a day of 24/7 cable news/opinion/supposed fair and balance perspectives, and yet in the end, all we the viewers sometimes end up with is a bunch of noise from both sides. Practical commentary is all that seems to stick anymore.

We have so little time and Senator McCain is reacting like a candidate who is about to lose, and as such, he  has started throwing whatever it is he can at Senator Obama to make him look as though he is not deserving of our vote. This is what has come to be known as the kitchen sink strategy. But what Senator McCain does not realize is that most of us have already decided. We have had almost 2 years to watch and listen to Barack Obama. And listen we did. And we have come to the conclusion that Senator Obama gives us our best hope for smart, patient, quality leadership. Qualities we have decided will not come from a John McCain Administration.

And how did we decide this? It was actually quite easy. First of all, we witnessed the judgment Senator McCain used in choosing his vice presidential running mate. And secondly, we watched the way John McCain ran his campaign. And make no mistake about it. This wasn't Karl Rove's campaign. This was John McCain's campaign.

As important as the economy is to every single American, there was always still that one issue that just wouldn't go away. One little word: judgment. This is what was on trial the entire campaign. And at no point did Senator McCain come across as a clear thinking candidate. Yet at every single turn, Senator Obama did. McCain panicked time after time after time. Barack Obama? Not once.

So the McCain camp can do whatever they want to try and bring Senator Obama down to their level. But it isn't going to work. Not this time. Because ultimately the one person in this country who can best be described as on John McCain's level is Sarah Palin. And this isn't meant as a compliment.

Barack Obama, Democratic Senator from Chicago, Illinois is going to win, and it will be we the people who will help him win. This is because the stakes are very high, thanks in large part not to Bill Ayers, not to Reverend Wright, but to the GOP, the party to which Senator McCain has belonged to for a very very long time.

And what has now become so typical of a GOP politician, Mr. McCain never really quite felt, saw, or heard the anger, the resentment or the bitterness that had slowly crept up all across our nation.

Which in the end displayed yet again, Senator McCain’s complete lack of judgment when gearing up to run as our next President of the United States.
mccain is attacking Obama with old news, william ayres is so lame, only sarah is stupid enough to bring that up. that's what the repubs use her for--'dirt throwing'.  Obama should ask her about her witch Doctor & her trooper gate scandle & not to mention the shotgun wedding she has planned for her pregnant daughter.
Great job Kieth! You gave it to Gov. Palin in your "special comments" segment of Countdown. It's about time somebody called her out on the nonsense she has been saying at those rallies. All I have to say is BRAVO!
Famous McBush quotes " I would rather have my campaign lie through there teeth to win an Election than talk about the economy" , I have this marker right here for vetos I will  make them famous you will know their names.  Hey John one question who placed all the pork on the Bail out thing. Are you going to drop a few names???? Does Sarah Palin wear a flag pin ??? And why is Morning GOP Joke have his head so far up Sarah Palins Skirt ????
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/GOP_hits_rock_bottom_Calls_Obama_in_an_official_release_terrorists_best_friend.html

This is an OUTRAGE
First its he is a TERRORIST while cCain stands there like a fool
Then KILL HIM while Palin fixes her hair

This is HORRIBLE
How Dare he do this
Inciting HATE
"...the New York Times’ Nagourney reminds us that both McCain and Obama promised better."

Maybe so Domenico, but let's remember, McCain drew first blood! Obama was wise to respond.  It's fine to take the high road, but sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.  Obama knew better than to be swiftboated like Kerry was in 2004.  Now let's see how much further McCain takes it.  If he brings that nonsense into the debate tonight, it's over for him.  Noboby wants to hear about Ayers...or the Keating 5 for that matter. Both are ancient history!

Obama/Biden '08!  
POLLS POLLS... America is waking up from the quasi lethargic state those republicans have put us.

THANK GOD WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. WE CAN WRITE OUR OWN DESTINY!

My people, let's not forget to actually go and vote. We need to take our country back from Bush/McCain/Cheney et al.

EVERY VOTE COUNTS!
MSNBC, please, please.  Until Gov Palin grants your station an interview, mention what she attacked today rather than provide visibility to her talking. You can show her picture to satisfy those that think she is ‘hot’, but please leave out the voice. It is NOT HOT.

Please give us some facts that define her credibility to receive as much coverage as she receives.
 
Michelle Bernard has lost her credibility with me. She sounds like she is telling us what someone wants us to hear and/or is concerned about offending some demographic.  She adds zero to the discussions and I really did like her at first.
 
You are forcing me to turn on your station only between 8:00 p.m. and 10:00 p.m.  
I am unable to deal with:

A)  Conservative guests who feel as though they are:
1)  Smarter than all of us
2)  Entitled to shout, interrupt, or talk over   anyone else (Pat Buchanan as an example)
3)  Required to defend Gov. Palin as the choice  
4)  (With the exception of Mike Murphy) OK by repeating the McCain talking points

B.) Talk show hosts that
1)Are constantly asking why Obama cannot pull ahead  when he is each day
2) Make inaccurate statements like ‘Gov Palin did well in the debate’ when the polls say the opposite
3)Like David Gregory who
 a) emphasize only the polls that are most favorable to Sen McCain
 b)ignore the positives of Sen Obama, rarely acknowledge his successes
 c)fail to analyze what is going on like - Sen McCain fails to poll above 43-44%, that includes the 28-30% that think Pres Bush is doing well and the 12-15% that will NEVER vote for the black guy
4)Fail to discuss anything negative about Gov Palin or provide perspective on how she can be a VP candidate while she and the dude are IGNORING subpoenas
5) Fail to emphasize, or even acknowledge, Gov Palin’s pastor problem even close to the attention level given (even today) to Rev Wright
6)Fail to comment on the real reason for Gov Palin to be on the ticket. She can attack, but any attacks on her would immediately be labeled sexist. The real sexism is by McCain to use her in that way, while likely destroying her future credibility.
7)Fail to strongly criticize the use of the word terrorist regarding Sen Obama. If you are going to air those comments, fair reporting requires providing equal time to the scrutiny Sen Obama has undergone for nearly two years.
8)Fail to spend as much time calling out Gov Palin’s misuse of quotes, the constitution, and history as is provided to air her nonsensical statements.

C.)First Read lead posts that lean toward emphasizing the negatives from the McCain campaign.
McCain and Palin's speeches now coming dangerously close to incitement to violence and racism. Palin seems to be OK with crowd responses that have included "Kill them!" and "Sit down, boy," the latter yelled with a racial epithet at an African-American network sound man – all without any indication of disapproval by the candidates.

Is this their idea of "Country First?"
I hate these negative politics, but we saw in 1988, then again in 2000 and 2004 that not responding in kind to the Atwater/Rovian playbook can have catastrophic results.  

Having said that, Obama has a fine line to walk.  He can, and must, take his shots back across the Bough at McCain, but he cannot permit McCain to permanently shift this thing back to an assessment of character and away from the economy.  The current strategy - using the Keating 5 character attack but tying it into McCain's ability to analyze economic issues and showing that McCain supports de-regulation - I think is correct.  Obama himself can let his campaign and Biden do the dirty work while staying above the fray and focusing on the economy.  

As long as Obama is able to do this, he will not get swiftboated and will be our next President.
I would like to know how Obama telling the truth and having something of substance toward the economy in his ads is a negative.  How can you even compare what his ads are like to what McCain's Ads are like.  McCains Ads are lies and very negative.  Obama is pointing out where McCain stands, not negative.  Also, how can you even compare what Obama says on the stump to what McCain/Palin say on the stump.  Obama is again sticking to the economy and how McCain has reacted and the issues he stands for.  McCain/Palin are going beyond negative they are down right dirty and untrue. McCain/Palin calling Obama a terrorist is equal to Obama calling out the way McCain has acted and the things he has and hasn't done, is the same negative.  I DON'T THINK SO!!  The media once again is feeding into the McCain Campaign and giving them what they want.  

All I hear is how McCain and Obama are now running negative Campaigns.  Obama is talking about the economy and what he will do where as McCain is not.  Obama, is saying things that John McCain himself has said and he is calling him on it.  How is that negative?  He is letting the American people know where he stands in contrast to where McCain stands.  That is not negative.

MCCAIN IS THE NEGATIVE ONE HERE.  When you don't have a plan, as McCain doesn't, you go negative.  I have not once heard anything of substance out of McCains mouth regarding the economy.  Nothing but negative bull.  So please MSNBC...don't fall for the bull that they are serving.  Obama is bringing up things that relate to how John McCain will handle the economy if elected.  John McCain is out of time and has no clue what to do but to LIE!!!  As for Sarah, well she has a lot of room to talk with a husband who wanted Alaska to succeed from the U.S.,her crazy witchcraft pastor should we go on?  Again she lies just like McCain!!

Not quite two years ago:

1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.
4) the DOW JONES hit a record high-14,000 +
5) Americans were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations overseas, living large!...

But Americans wanted CHANGE. In 2007 a Democratically controlled Congress took over and yes--
we got CHANGE all right. Since Pelosi and Reid took over and Obama became a Senator:

1) Consumer confidence has plummeted;
2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!;
3) Unemployment is up over 5.5% (a 10%+ increase);
4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION DOLLARS and prices
still dropping;
5) Millions of American homes are in foreclosure;
6) Several major banks and investment firms have failed; 2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS
has evaporated from stocks, bonds, and mutual fund investment portfolio

THINK ABOUT THIS:

You couldn't get a job at McDonalds and become district manager after 143 days of experience.

You couldn't become chief of surgery after 143 days of experience of being a surgeon.

You couldn't get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143 days of experience.

You couldn't join the military and become a colonel after a 143 days of experience.

You couldn't get a job as a reporter and become the nightly news anchor after 143 days of experience.

BUT...

'From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working. After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World...after 143 days.

We all have to start somewhere. The senate is a good start, but after 143 days, that's all it is - a start.

AND, strangely, a large sector of the American public is okay with this and campaigning for him. We wouldn't accept this in our own line of work, yet some are okay with this for the President of the United States of America ? Come on folks, we are not voting for the next American Idol!

McCain/Palin

McCain will keep his gloves on because FOX News is running the lie about Barack's links and he does not know the fundamentals of are not strong.

Independents, democrats and the world and the wife of GOP Sen. Chuck Hagel (NE) has shown her support to Obama is a wise decision due to the out-touch- failed Bush/McCain policies. I applaud her motivation and hope her husband will follow suit because...

McCain/ Palin are equivalent to X (xy) =>0.
No way
No how
No McCain/ Palin
Nobody but Obama/Biden
The GOP has become an absolute caricature of itself these days.

"Obama is friends with Ayers!"...ask them to justify why this matters since Obama was 8 when the Weather Underground was doing its work and they just repeat the line.

"Obama is a Muslim!"...long since debunked but ask them why it would make a difference and they can't come up with a valid reason.

"Obama is the Anti-Christ!"...ask them why they say this and they tell you it's in Revelation.  Ask them for a specific chapter and verse and they can't give it to you and tell you to just read it yourself.

Now, apparently, the McCain/Palin Campaign is willing to tolerate those who would advocate killing Obama attending their rallies.

Nice!
Who is the real Barack Obama?’ Mr. McCain asked -- was shown on cable television juxtaposed with images of another horrible day on Wall Street.”
who is the real barack obama!! man last night i heard you talking crap about chicago AGAIN!! what do you have against chicago!! WE did not do any thing to you john, but support our sentor!!
now i must say that this tirade shows that john mccain does not have the temperment to be president, he does not have the vision or patience to deal with real crissis, Look john mccain is only down in the polls by 6-9 points depending on who you listion to what he is saying and how he is coming off as a real real mean old man!!! he is like the neighbor that if you step on his lawn he is ready th get the shot gun!! my god, he needs to calm down!!!! this is sicknening and i'll close by using cindy mccain own words, this should by about ideas and back stabbing has not place in this campaign, now it looks like john does not listion to his own wife how can we trust him to listion to common people!!

JOHN MCCAIN LEAVE CHICAGO OUT OF THIS, RICHIE, BILLY DAILEY DID NOTHEN TO YOU!! BUT IF YOU KEEP TALKING LIKE YOU HAVE THEY JUST MIGHT CALL IN FAVORS IN OTHER MAJOR CITYS TO MAKE SURE YOU JUST DON'T LOOSE BUT GET LOOSE BAD!!!!!!!
Who is the real Barack Obama?’ Mr. McCain asked -- was shown on cable television juxtaposed with images of another horrible day on Wall Street.”
who is the real barack obama!! man last night i heard you talking crap about chicago AGAIN!! what do you have against chicago!! WE did not do any thing to you john, but support our sentor!!
now i must say that this tirade shows that john mccain does not have the temperment to be president, he does not have the vision or patience to deal with real crissis, Look john mccain is only down in the polls by 6-9 points depending on who you listion to what he is saying and how he is coming off as a real real mean old man!!! he is like the neighbor that if you step on his lawn he is ready th get the shot gun!! my god, he needs to calm down!!!! this is sicknening and i'll close by using cindy mccain own words, this should by about ideas and back stabbing has not place in this campaign, now it looks like john does not listion to his own wife how can we trust him to listion to common people!!

JOHN MCCAIN LEAVE CHICAGO OUT OF THIS, RICHIE, BILLY DAILEY DID NOTHEN TO YOU!! BUT IF YOU KEEP TALKING LIKE YOU HAVE THEY JUST MIGHT CALL IN FAVORS IN OTHER MAJOR CITYS TO MAKE SURE YOU JUST DON'T LOOSE BUT GET LOOSE BAD!!!!!!!
The "Palin / McCain Administration" are running a dirty campaign full of lies and deception. It only makes voters know how the country would be ran if they should win.

That's a scary thought!.....
It seems as if Governor Palin and Senator McCain are making every possible attempt to get the "ugly" in public and in their favor.  We all know that there are the prejudiced and "less than knowledgeable" out there and that they make themselves very vocal.

Whether it is the word "terrorist" shouted at a McCain rally, the words "kill him" at a Palin rally, or the insult to a young man just trying to do his job  - - - "ugly" raises it's head to appear in public all too often.

I'm sorry to say this, but we also know the results of "ugly".  Too many have lost their lives as a result, too many have been injured as a result, too much as been lost as a result of "ugly".

Why would any true American want to infuse "ugly" into a process that is, without a doubt, one of the most important symbols of our freedom - to vote for our political leader?  I can think of no good reason.

I have not supported Senator McCain for some time.  My choice is proved to be correct each and every time their campaign turns to the negative.  They should realize that I want to discuss the issues - I don't want to know why I should hate Senator Obama, I want to know WHY I should support Senator McCain.

As a result of Republican tactics, I give my wholehearted approval to Senators Obama and Biden.  I don't want to live in a country with dishonest and negative leaders.  I want someone who is honorable, intelligent and presents an improved image of the United States.

Can't you just imagine Sarah Palin meeting the Queen of England with a "you betcha" and winking at Prince Phillip?  While is can be a humorous thought, it would certainly be an embarrassing reality!

We have REAL problem NOW!  NOW!  We need someone who can face those and offer real solutions.  That is why I support Senators Obama and Biden.

 


These numbers are nice, but the only number I care about is seeing 270 (more would be nice) in the column for Barack Obama the night of 11/4/08.
The McCain/Palin campaign has nothing left but lies and attacks.  They are wrong on every domestic policy issue.  A slim margin THINKS McCain would be better in Iraq. Emphasis on thinks.  And at this point in time Iraq is a relatively minor issue in this election.

The character of the two Republican candidates can be questioned in just as many ways as can the Democratic candidate. Ignore the hyperbole in the recent Rolling Stone article on Mr McCain, and you're still left with several very respectable conservative individuals questioning his character.  Particularly as it relates to his time as a POW, having strings pulled for him in the Navy and the treatment of both his wives.

I believe we'll see the numbers for Mr Obama continue upward as the voters react to the increased negativity of this campaign.  I think for once we've all had enough of it.
The Straight Talk Titanic has hit an iceberg from Alaska and is sinking slowly in it's own hubris.  If the gloves come off then Obama wins on substance.

We don't need 4 more years of the wrong policies of the past 8 years.  We need change and only Barack Obama and Joe Biden will provide the right kind of change our country needs.

Go Obama/Biden 08/12!
I along with most are sick of this attack game when a lot of americans are hurting because of your stupidity and greed.....Bail out wow look at what it did because you led ous to believe it was the right thing when you dont even know anything about the economy accept if you vote you  for it hopefully  you will get votes..for your comming election..I wouldnt vote for anyone whos been in Washington who has become a fixture......As most im fed up and now find it hard to blog because no matter what the outcome its always winds up politics as usual......McSame has no idea about the economy only he knows whats in his wallett, minds empty....So most americans  are fighting to keep the heat off until were we become desparate,  eat less, which wont hurt, dont go to the doctors as much, pray that i can keep my job, doesnt look good....And it goes on while all those millioniares in washington continue to rape this country.........-
what happened to McCain "the maverick"? . . . the one who promised a respectful campaign!!!

he has no plans whatsoever on either the ecomnomy or international relations . . . just more of the same Bush policies that got us here in the first place

so now he's going to drag the country into the mud for the next month in a desperate and greedy attempt to scare the country about voting for Obama because he's a "black", "muslim", "terrorist"

The John McCain I once admired has sold his soul . . . he has no honor
float like a butterfly and sting like a bee and mccant will be on the seat of his pants after tonite.
Why oh why is the MSM 'aiding and abetting' the campaign nastiness?  Ratings? Advertising $$s?  Easiest way to fill up the minutes on air and lines in print/on the screen?  Let me sarcastically say "Thanks a lot." In case it helps, I'd like to suggest people, and journalists in particular read Eugene Robinson's column at:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/06/AR2008100602637.html

The first graders in our carpool were much more on target this morning.  On the way to school, they were talking about the $700 billion bailout.  Overheard: "I'm not paying for it.  I have to buy a new bike.  I'll get mad at the bank if they give away my $60."  Another child: I'm not paying it either.  I don't want them to give away my money."

Needless to say, I didn't think it proper to tell all of them that right now, the older generations ARE in fact spending their money. Even if we recoup money from the bailout, there is the skyrocketing national debt and a country that cannot deal with basic issues such as emergency relief after hurricanes, gasoline distribution, and bridges that fall down.  Let alone local issues such as bike trails that would help lower the number of car-bike injuries and fatalities.  And wouldn't they be horrified to know that many grown ups think it is morally acceptable to deny 40+ million people the opportunity to get basic, affordable health care?  And how do we tell them that a lot of people are losing their houses and that it is ok for people not to have a home when so many stand empty?  

Wouldn't they be shocked to learn that the grownups are not so busy planning for their future, but are involved in calling each other names and ignoring substantial policy differences between the two future potential leaders of our country?
Bill Maher once said that half of the country is stupid. November 4 will clarify that statement. President Bill Clinton Administration left over three trillion dollars surplus. The republicans gave big cuts to big companies. Here we are now, America. Let's rise again. God bless this great land.
"reminds us that both McCain and Obama promised better"

You know what, Im sick of having this rigid line of thinking thrown in the canidates faces.  McCain tried and it didn't work for him because conservatives are mean-spirited by nature and they don't vote for people who are nice Democrats or so-called liberals (I prefer the term Progressives).

Obama has by all accounts run one of the most Zen and peacful campaigns I seen in my life time, but if he has defend himself then, to borrow from Palin, doggone it - he has to defend himself.  He can only be nice and harmonious if he is not being smeared with lies.  A Martial Artist once describe it to me:  If you watch electric current you can see that there is harmony in it's movement. However if you stick a fork in electrical outlet and disrupt that harmony... Watch out!

I think this is go time and if the gloves have to come off, then so be it.   I support Obama and Biden and if they don't fight back when attacked how the heck can we expect them to run the White house and protect us?  I say, the Republicans started and we need to finish it.

Obama/Biden 08/12
I am SICK of this racist, fear mongering the McCain campaign has been spewing. Our nation is suffering. Our financial markets are in a FULL meltdown and all team McPain has to offer is to encourage the RACIST bigots of our country to direct their anger, antipathy and disappointment at “the terrorist” candidate. Vile, disgusting swill!!!!!!    

I want the  MSM to denounce this loudly and clearly to EVERYONE, EVERY SINGLE DAY…  How in this day and age can this be tolerated????    At both McCain and Palin rallies people were encouraged, ENCOURAGED to shout TER-ROR-IST, TER-ROR-IST, TER-ROR-IST, TER-ROR-IST and KILL HIM>>>KILL HIM>>>KILL HIM!!!!

Why isn’t every pastor in every church loudly and roundly denouncing this open hatred and despicable campaigning?   How can the people who come to these rallies join into this disgusting display of HATE.  Where is their humanity or their shame??  I am far from a perfect human being, and certainly am not the most pious person in the world, but I pray to GOD that this HATE mongering will be stopped.  How can anyone go to those rallies and not leave in utter disgust, let alone join in?  

Sara Palin compared Barack’s followers to the Germany’s in pre-WWII Nazi Germany.  I submit to you that she’s put the shoe on the wrong foot.  Getting crowds of people together and starting hate chants and encouraging invectives to KILL others is way more in Adolph Hitler’s wheel house.   I encourage all who are reading this to start an email protest to ever single news major mainstream media outlet in our country.  Here is a link to their addresses:
 
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111

Let’s let the McPain campaign know loud and clear that these tactics will not be tolerated another day.  
 If the racism fits Sara Palin and John McCain—wear it.  Shame on you both!!!!!!!
Nancy Pfotenhauer we are forced to watch her practice her brand of phony, over-smiling condescending reiteration of annoying Republican talking points far too often While some might say that Nancy is just full of Botox and lip filler, I think she's full of crap.Tucker (Outta) Bounds the brainless wonder and Nancy are
allowing lie after lie to be repeated to the press without challenge, to give lie after lie airtime, you are worse cowards then the creeps working for McCain Palin.
McCain drew first blood.  Plain and simple.  And if the Dems have learned anything in the past elections, it's that they can't let these attacks go un-challenged.  People are now implying that Obama is not keeping to his promise that he would keep things "clean".  McCain can do/say whatever he wants and then attack Obama for being negative.  It's such blatant BS.  I believe that if McCain had not started this attack policy, Obama would never have "gone negative".  Nearly every ad that Obama or his surrogates have waged were in response to a negative attack by McCain.  It was only recently that Obama took the "leashes" off of his surrogate hounds.

I'm reminded of the old addage "live by the sword, die by the sword."  If McCain were squeeky clean, this might work, but he's got so many skeletons I think (hope) that this will backfire on him.  

Politicians associate with many different people in their quest for power. Some of them are unsavory.  It's a fact.  With our economy crumbling, I think the American people will be less distracted than they have been in previous elections.

Obama has to answer these attacks and counterattack.  It does not make him a liar, terrorist or Un-American.  It makes him prudent.  I hope that their gloves will come off in challenging Palin and McCain.  The "First Dude's"(and her)support for the successionist party in Alaska should be much more deeply explored and exposed.

I hope that he is prepared for the attacks tonight and in the coming weeks.  AND that in the mud-slinging melee can still manage to keep his primary focus on the things that really matter to us.

This is like watching a train-wreck... except that WE are in the rail-cars.
John can keep mud slinging all he wants. I think it just shows how desperate he is. Haven't we heard this song before? It is down right racisim and it will work with bigots, but those are a dwindling percentage of the country. It will take generations to erase the hatred and will never be completly gone, but the good news is that the country and the world is waiting to see if we have grown up as a society. I pray we have. The fact that even Cathlic cannon lawyers and theologins are starting to speak out and back Barak even though he has stances that are against church teachings and argue that his over all ideoligy serves commonly held morality issues is a sign that people are starting to look at the larger picture as does Senator Obama. So look under every rock John, but look out that you don't roll one over on youself.
Yawn, Yawn Yawn on the "smears to nowhere". Independent voters STILL haven't heard about any stable plans from John & Sarah. Walk the talk...please.
Both campaigns promised a clean campaign. Why is Obama expected to keep it clean when McCain is preparing to throw the kitchen sink at him.  

The MSM is schizophrenic about this situation. On one hand you rail against it but then you chided Obama earlier in the campaign when he didn't fight back soon enough or agressively enough.

It would be insane on Obama's part if he allowed himself to be punched repeatedly and not respond.

I say "put on the gloves" and punch McCain so hard and so often that he wont know what hit him!!  
Obama can walk and chew gum at the same time so it is entrely in the realm of possiblity that he can punch and stay on message about the economy.
McCain, not so much!


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