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McCain overstates Obama on Pakistan

Posted: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:21 PM by Mark Murray

McCain said: "Sen. Obama likes to talk loudly. In fact, he wants to announce that he's going to attack Pakistan -- remarkable."

But this is what Obama said originally on August 1, 2007: "There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf will not act, we will."

It's worth noting that Palin -- on at least two occasions -- seemed to back Obama on this issue.  

-- "GIBSON: But, Governor, I'm asking you: We have the right, in your mind, to go across the border with or without the approval of the Pakistani government.
PALIN: In order to stop Islamic extremists, those terrorists who would seek to destroy America and our allies, we must do whatever it takes and we must not blink, Charlie, in making those tough decisions of where we go and even who we target.
GIBSON: And let me finish with this. I got lost in a blizzard of words there. Is that a yes? That you think we have the right to go across the border with or without the approval of the Pakistani government, to go after terrorists who are in the Waziristan area?
PALIN: I believe that America has to exercise all options in order to stop the terrorists who are hell bent on destroying America and our allies. We have got to have all options out there on the table." (Interview with Charlie Gibson, 9/11/08)

-- "Palin spoke to one patron's friend on his cell phone, and answered a couple of questions on Pakistan from another. Michael Rovito asked her specifically whether U.S. forces should cross the border from Afghanistan to Pakistan. “If that’s what we have to do stop the terrorists from coming any further in, absolutely, we should," she said." (First Read, 9/28/08)

Yet Palin later backtracked on those statements, telling Katie Couric: "Well, as Sen. McCain is suggesting here, also, never would our administration get out there and show our cards to terrorists, in this case, to enemies and let them know what the game plan was, not when that could ultimately adversely affect a plan to keep America secure."

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>>>It's worth noting that Palin -- on at least two occasions -- seemed to back Obama on this issue.  

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This was BEFORE McCain gave her the flash cards on what to say.
Having options on the table (as Palin said) is distinguishable from invading Pakistani territory if Pres. Musharaff (sp?) is unwilling to act (as Obama said). Acting absent international acquiescence sure sounds a lot like Bush's "failed" policy that the Dems loathe.
Good lord people sure are good at twisting words... by the way that interview was disgusting! He was incredible rude to her

I am amazed how Mccain laughs and lies so easily. I always knew that politicians lie but not this obvious.
Come on, war mongering, saber rattling is who? McCain well before Obama. And is McCain going to keep saying Obama will meet with leaders without preconditions, even though former Secreataries of State agree we should not have preconditions? Give it up "my friend" and get something new and meaningful to say.
McCain thought it was funny to joke about bombing Iran("Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran"). It is no wonder that he makes such outrageous statements. MCain and Palin are outrageous liars. But at least McCain is smart and well-spoken. Palin is such a dummy, only Joe Sixpack could possibly imagine her in any responsible position. I think she has Peter Principled herself as Governor of Alaska.
It's hard to be between a rock and a hard place.  The republicans know Obama is right but they can't admit it.
Last time I checked, Palin was running for Vice-President and Obama was running for President. President has a lot to do with making foreign policy, Vice-President has just about none. Obama's rash statements, like the one he made about Pakistan, expose his lack of judgment and experience.
McCain overstates everything.  
why both candidates lying about Russia. Georgia invaded North Osetia during night and committed genocide. a crime!!!! Russia went there to stop this crime.
He's got nothing left in the tank, all that is left is twist the truth or lie outright and hope that ignorant voters fall for it.
Anyone else fast-forwarding McCain parts?
Please, the real problem stems from America & India's reluctance to confront Pakistan. A nation that has a demonstrated track record of proliferating nuclear and missile technology to rouge nations, nurturing and hosting terrorists, and professing an absolute disregard for democracy needs to be urgently and honestly confronted.
Every terrorist attack traces its roots to Pakistan, either logistically or materially.
I am so sick of spin. Qbama just said he would go into Pakistan. You change the subject to Palin and convolute the facts. Please!
Resting your arguments on fallacies is dishonest and sad.  It really shows a lack of integrity and courage.

Were I an Arizona voter I don't know if I'd want McCain in the senate after this.
Steady hand?? Please! McCain is a loose cannon.
Heavens you got this out fast did you get insider information?  Keep up the bias reporting its what I expect
I'm from Pakistan and Obama did say that Pakistani's weren't happy with the dictator Musharraf. He should do more research as Pakistani's were very happy and better off with Musharraf, now look what is happening.
Yes, USA's hype and the media's hype was that Pakistan needs to get back to a democratic rule but the fact is that majority of the Pakistani's aside from the opposition parties love Musharraf and will take him back was he to compete in the next election.
Secondly, the new president of Pakistan, Zardari was once on FBI's most corrupt people's list which has mysteriously disappeared off the internet.  Zardari is a known embezzler and crook and Pakistani's detest him.  
Majority of the Pakistan is rural areas and fall under Zardari's party, hence he won the election plus due to his late wife, Bhutto's popularity.  

Anyways, fact of the matter is that Obama is naive and amateur in saying he would go after Pakistan - a nuclear nation and he should rethink and say stuff responsibly as McCain suggested.
Typical, typical...the democrats believe that the rules never apply to them.
McCain said "THAT ONE" in reference to Obama.  What an ass.  Now he's lying about what Obama said.
And Obama using McCain's Joke on Iran with 1 other person as an attack. Why do you not right about this. What about Biden the other night with his "misleading" quotes. I think you need to be a bit less hypocritical.
McCain was just attacking Obama. He was honestly being childish.
obama clearly is a text book president, he will look for the answers to all answers in a book, don't trust that, we need a McCain, experienced president, who has years of experience to guide him, as well as God guiding him.  Obama does not know how to do the job, too young, too yellow, just not ready. President McCain will lead us through another four years of adjustment until it is all over.  God Bless America.
I take friendship very personally and not lightly, It is for someone I know and who knows me where we care very deeply for eac other... I do not know Senator McCain therefore, I am not his friend nor do I believe he is the answer for our country at this time.
I disagree, Obama clearly stated that he would invade Pakistan during his debates against Hillary Clinton.  See: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/01/AR2007080101233.html
McCain is just swinging wildly.  The guys on PBS right now are decidedly leaning McCain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YUD_MTlPuM
Governor Two-Brain-Cells didn't know WHAT she was saying.  Get off her back.
How many Pakistanis believe the US wouldn't attack within their borders to get Bin laden? Shhhh.
OMG - you guys haven;t posted ONE comment critical of NOBama yet!
AND now you're attacking Sarah Palin - gotta get that shot in there - with an interview ON ANOTHER NETWORK, that is basically a waste.
How about a comment on McCain NOT mentioning Ayers, Rev. Wright, etc. Maybe he's showing some class guys!?
C'mon Dom, Chuck and Mark - TRY ALITTLE BALANCE!?
Sen. John McCain clearly won this debate.  If anybody in this country can't see that, they are choosing to put their heads in the sand.  He speaks from experience and he is what this country needs.  Obama several times dodged questions, rambled on about things that didn't make sense and looked lost and uncomfortable when tough questions were asked.  Give money to Russian and Estonia?  Obama must be kidding.  He is a danger to this country.  McCain will win this because in the end of the day, this country wants stablility and experience, and for good reason.
she didnt just backtrack with that voter question, she BLAMED HIM for her wrong answer, calling it a Gotcha question..like, how dare a voter ask her a question she hasnt been scripted to answer yet..they are both a freakin joke~!
The ability to answer the real questions is something Palin/McCain are completely incapable of doing.  By the way did you happen to notice how unpatriotic McCain was in tonights debate - my oh my no FLAG PIN!
Mark Murray,
How much plainer could Palin put it?  Palin wasn't in this debate,so?????????????
I don't understand McCain's position--he will follow Bin Laden through the gates of Hell but not across a border? We all know he'd do it. Why are we playing this word game?
Palin & McCain are the classic "left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing".  Besides, Palin has admitted she's only been "at this for, what, five weeks now".  She still doesn't get it ... or get it right, is more to the point.  Obama's got it right.  Telegraph it or not, our main goal is and should be to pursue those who would do us harm ... wherever and whenever that opportunity presents itself.  John McCain, with his HUGE background in military strategy knows this.  He just can't stand Barack Obama saying it first and, more importantly, getting it right.
McCain Obama talking loud?  Are you kidding-Lets
see who is calling Obama a Terrorist, inept,
and say low bottom remarks?  McCain's campaign
no matter whether on radio or television talk
so loud and never let anyone have a change to
respond.  GO OBAMA IT IS YOUR TURN!  GOD BLESS
YOU
MCCAIN is FUNDAMENTALLY wrong on oil...again.  This needs discussion too.  He said if we increase oil supply, that oil prices will drop.  Oil is a world commodity that is controlled by OPEC and other countries can pull oil out of the the supply easily thus negating whatever we add.  Thus, we can't simply say that producing more oil will result in lower oil prices.  

McCain needs to read up on what is "fundamental" when it comes to oil and the economy.  That point he made was potentially irresponsible.

Thanks for the time.
McCain doesn't seem to understand the difference between attacking AL QAEDA in Pakistan, and attacking the actual government or it's people. Obama NEVER said he would attack Pakistan, only that he would pursue Bin Laden if he were within their borders.
There is no fool like an old fool.  

"Bomb bomb bomb  bomb bomb Iran."
"The economy is fundamentally sound"
John McCain is a colossal fool.

"I read what is placed in front of me"
Sarah Palin is a special kind of fool.

"GOTCHA" moment.
You guys do that so well.
Obama/Palin, how wierd would that be?
McCain also stated he would "get Osama bin Laden", he has a plan that will get him......why the hell doesn't he share that plan with whomever is in charge of catchin' that sumbi##h...maybe that would get him elected!
O.K. Obama NEVER said the Minute, hour, day or anything about a plan to attact Paskistan. He said "If the Pakistanis are unable or unwilling to take out Bin Ladin and his group, He would take him out." I will cheer on the day that Bin Ladin is dead. He should have died long ago for what he did to our country. Why is'nt his head on a stick at Times Square in New York....Why.
I watched the first debate and Obama did say he would attack Pakistan..  He made several very immature remarks in regard to the middle east.  In short Obama is not ready to lead this country while we are at war.   Sadly due to the financial fiasco that this country and the rest of the world is now facing.(Due to the Federal Housing Enterprises financial safety and soundness act... and Riegle Neal and the communtiy reinvestment act.. all of which are of Democratic origins...) Not Bush...   people are not focused on the war but on money.  This will most likely be to our great detriment.
John McCain has continued to lie about this issue. He has said before and he said again in the debate tonight that Sen. Obama wants to announce that we are going to attack Pakistan. Sen. Obama has said absolutly nothing about attacking Pakistan. He has said that if we know where Osama Bin Laden or other Al Qaeda members are in the mountain regions on the border of Afganistan, we should cross over the border and strike them. There is a big difference between attacking terrorists in Pakistan and attacking Pakistan itself. It amazes me that either John McCain doesn't know the difference or is willing to lie about it.
In a similar misstatement, McCain showed incredible ignorance when he stated that we should "never let a second Holocaust happen again".

Exsqueeze me??  There have been numerous Holocausts since WWII ... Armenia, Cambodia, Darfur, throughout Latin America, etc.  

I have a very big problem voting for Obama/Biden due to their continued homophobic platform ... I think I'm going to have to abstain on my Presidential vote ... we have poor candidates on both sides.

In CA ... Vote NO on Prop 8!
We now have a president in OBAMA
Both presidential candidates have wife's supporting their husband I notice Michelle Obama was VERY comfortable
going into the audience and shake hands and mingling.

WHERE was Cindy she briefly stood behind her husband with her hand safely behind her back not, to supportive of her husband maybe she knows something we don't or maybe she is above the audience.

She was very Standoffish
jonnie boy same old stuff make it up as you go ..muddle thru it...du
I don't think that either one are fools. The only way to tell a fool is how they try to make the other one look like one. The american people know what is going on, so don't try to tell us different. Never forget that you do work for us and it is possible for you to be replaced. As I'm told at my job. Just do the best you can and never be afaid to ask for help
It seems that Obama may not know much about small business.  Obama stated that 98% of small business does not make over $250,000.00.  I would have to disagree.  98% of small business makes at least $250,000.00.


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