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Midnight Debate Confessions

Posted: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 1:48 AM by Chuck Todd

From NBC's Chuck Todd
Part three of the four-part debate series is now over and the one big conclusion is that nothing's changed in the race. And nothing changing is not a good result for John McCain.

In need of a trajectory changer (I'm trying not to use the word "game"), McCain didn't get it. This now puts pressure on McCain to make the most of the final debate next week.

Of course, McCain might have lost the night before the debate ever started. At 4pm Tuesday when the final curtain fell on another horrible day on Wall Street, it signaled that the audience tonight would be focused on just one issue, the economy.

As for the actual encounter, a few things stood out.

Obama started out strong and was surprisingly aggressive with McCain. I don't know that he missed an opportunity in the first 40 minutes of the debate to attack McCain. And, yet, despite the attacks by Obama, McCain may end up being viewed as the more negative candidate since he sounded so defensive early on and he had the awkward "that one" moment. Obama was also more attuned to the format, constantly framing his answers for average or regular voters.

To McCain's credit, he got stronger in the second half and really found his groove during the foreign policy portion of the encounter. If this debate had gone another half hour, it would have done McCain some good. He was just getting warmed up.

I thought McCain's strongest moment came during the Russia question which also coincidentally was Obama's weakest.  Obama doesn't have a good Russia answer just yet.

Obama's best moment was on health care which, in turn, was McCain's weak moment. This health care attack that Obama has opened up on McCain is potentially lethal with swing women voters.

McCain's difficulty connecting on the economy probably explains why Obama scored better in the post debate polls and focus groups.

Finally, I'm finding the debate about body language fascinating tonight. It appeared to me Obama, like in the first debate, was more camera aware during his non-speaking time than McCain. Considering the format and the fact that close watchers of this debate won't have heard anything new from the candidates, the body language portion of the confrontation might be more influential to some viewers. I'm wondering if some Obama campaign strategists are regretting their decision to not agree to some joint town halls with McCain sooner.

Bottom line: it was great to see the candidates out from behind the podiums. It created a lively exchange even as it came across at times as repetitive.

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I wonder if he and the parrot palin will continue the Hatemongering tomorrow.

I hope not because we need to hear about the REAL issues, not what the other person WON'T do, but what their plans are.

Chuck, when Pat Buchanan admits that it was Obama who landed the one "haymaker", in reference to the "Bomb Iran" and "annihilate N Korea", then McCain did not win the foreign policy debate.

Education was mentioned once and poverty zero times.
Obama is the ""ANTI CHRIST"" STOP HIM NOW!
While I agree that the economy plays a part in the current standings of the candidates, the question I have  (and one I would like to see discussed on your shows) is, Who the heck is running McCain's campaign, what is their strategy, and why hasn't he fired them yet?
Really, what is his strategy, as he likes to say. We have seen tactics (picking Palin, etc) but I still can't say what he would do for the country.

Going back to the Dem primaries, I had the same question about Hillary's campaign.  Perhaps the strategists for Obama make Hillary's and now McCains campaigns like they are amateurs.
It was terrible on radio - which is how I did this time. Its just play back of their rhetoric. I think the make no mistake is not giving a fair deal to the audience. On this one, I have to blame the media having become too 'gotcha' with any non-standard word uttered.

I don't think this will ever come back unless the medium is changed away from Television. Perhaps in a decade or two.


If obama has to ask his wife??? What in bloody hell are you idiots voting for????
Considering that McCain wanted the "town hall" type debate he looked uncomfortable.  I saw the president I trust to lead our country, that one, Obama!
Before this faulty history gets further out of control, let's be clear: Obama didn't refust to do town hall meetings with McCain – they disagreed on the number, and McCain quit talking about it once he decided he had a phony issue he could use against Obama. As this post notes, McCain was successful getting the media to mischaracterize the matter.
McCain looked uncomfortable all night long. It seemed as though he couldn't wait to leave.

He was uneasy with Barack Obama.

He was unsettled with the moderator.

At times he looked irritated with the audience.

Even when he made a good point he appeared to be uninterested in the subject and was trying to remember the talking points.

He stumbled badly tonight. He was much better in the last debate.

Sorry Mr. Buchanan, McCain lost every round. Your line that McCain (or Palin) WON the fight on points is getting old. Go work for FOX.
Did anyone catch the fact that McCain refused to even shake Obama's hand at the very end of the debate? It appeared that when Obama held his hand out, McCain motioned him toward his wife instead and then turned his back on him.  I found this very disrespectful and disgraceful.  No matter how you feel about Obama or his policies, he still deserves to be respected as an equal.
They (the Obama campaign) would regret not having more town halls because what, a 10 point win on Nov. 4th isn't good enough? :)

Agreed on Health care...this is an issue that came up in all 22 Democratic debates this primary season, while the Republican debates were focused on who was more serious about extending Bush's tax cuts.  The fact is the issues are just with the Dems this year, nothing McCain can do.  Maybe it's the economy, maybe people are just tired of the culture wars in general.    I guess McCain should have just sucked it up and picked Romney?  At least he wouldn't have had to pull out of Michigan...in theory anyway...
Obama actually failed to answer a couple questions although, on the whole he did pretty well and looked presidential. His performance will soon be forgotten though...

McCain made that a certainty with that bizzare pronouncement that Tom Brokaw would not be his choice for Treasury Secretary, and with the surprise announcement that he plans to buy every failed mortgage in the US (the base must be thrilled), and with stupid jokes/interuptions poorly delivered, and with the unfortunate "that one". Ouch.

Did I mention his age? No need. It was obvious.
Barack Obama could out do John McCain standing on his head.  Talk about stage presence - while Obama was speaking, John McCain looked as though he tried to be in camera range.  When it was his opportunity to speak he sometimes wandered off - almost out of camera view.  Over all, I think Barack Obama looked better and was more poised and confident.
Obama is just the man for the US presidency right now. He simply connects well with all the major issues.
Were we watching the same debate?  McCain was stronger on foreign policy??  He tried to be however there is no getting around it....he is just too old.  He is old, he looks old and his ideas are old.

Sen McCain needs to retire to Sedona and Palin needs to go back to Alaska where she can keep a watchful eye on Russia!
I agree about the body language aspect of the debate being quite noticeable.  McCain looked totally uncomfortable moving about, and several times awkwardly shuffled into Obama's camera shots.  Obama always appears to be listening intently to his opponents.  I found myself wondering what he was thinking at those moments.  
Finally i am not scared anymore about the election since I'm confidant that Obama has this.

Now i have something new to worry about which is the whole world going into a rescission caused by are stupid government when we need to change many things.

it takes a crisis for people to actually vote intelligently
I'm interested in Chuck's analysis that McCain was strong on foreign policy. Certainly, her was stronger there than he was on the economy, but Obama had, on balance, much clearer and more cogent, detailed answers than McCain did...McCain's line seems to be "I know how to handle foreign policy...just..believe me..don't make me give you details". Obama had a MUCH better response, for example, when discussing Pakistan. McCain's answers, even in his purportedly strong area of foreign policy, seem to meander through a maze of generalities. Obama, for the most part, gives strong, substantive answers. I would agree with Todd that McCain won the Russia question, at least initially, but that was about it.

McCain is also CLEARLY agitated and upset when Obama answers the foreign policy questions (watch his body language change as Obama answered the first foreign policy question of the night) , even if he isn't saying something that McCain disagrees with. It's almost as though he is angry that Obama knows what he's talking about...sometimes better than he does.
Yeah; I'm tired of the overused cliche 'game-changer' too. But it is what the McCain campaign needs. Incidentally, it was good to see the debate at Belmont University in Nashville at the bottom end of Music Row. I worked on Music Row in the '90's and delivered presentations at Belmont back then (when it was called a college). It was good to see the crowd that showed up were mostly Obama  supporters. It made me feel good that Nashvegas is Obama leaning (I live in Oregon now). I don't really follow football but; GO TITANS! Could Tennessee turn blue?
Thanks Chucky T. for burning the midnight oil...
Am I the only one who noticed that the priveledged John Sydney McCain III tried to "relate" to the unmentioned middle-class by talking about his mother raising him because his father was gone most of the time?  He realizes That One's story is more like many in America's, so NOW he panders to the voters he needs the most?

Too little too late old man.  As the great Chick Hearn used to say here at the end of a spectacular LA Lakers game, "Close the refrigerator door!  The eggs are cooling and the butter's getting hard!"
Speaking of body language.....Did Senator McCain really refuse to shake Senator Obama's hand after gesturing to Mrs. McCain for his handshake at the end of the debate.  Why was he moving around so much.  Was it to distract Obama or was it jus plain poor sportsmanship?
@ this point, i think it's like Neo was told in the Matrix...Most voters have already made their choice, they're just trying to "understand it".
CHUCK TODD, HERE'S A FREE TIP FOR YOU...
Obama "lifts up" anyone on stage with him.  That's why it is not to his advantage to have had umpteen town hall debates with McCain (or Clinton).  The biggest danger for Obama is that his opponent will try to out-Obama him, rather than be themselves and self-destruct (as McCain is doing and Clinton did).
McCain looked like an old old man with old old ideas.  I felt sorry for him as he kept saying "my friends".  He couldn't even bring himself to shake hands with Barack at the end of the debate.  Shame on him!  It will be a good day when he gets over himself and realizes IT'S OVER.
Mr. Todd, your observations about the candidates' "body language" are interesting.  A couple of points:  
(1) It appeared that Senator Obama was more attentive (or even "actively listening) to Senator McCain's "speeches."  It seemed to me, that Senator Obama's eyes and body followed Senator McCain when he spoke.  In contrast, when Senator Obama was speaking, Senator McCain often appeared lost in thought, taking notes, or looking at a different part of the audience or Tom Brokaw.  
(2) Senator Obama spoke to the questioner.  When responding, Senator Obama looked at the questioner for longer periods before his focus shifted to other segments of the audience.  Even if not looking directly at the person who posed the question, I don’t recall an instance when Senator Obama turned his back to that person.  In contrast, Senator McCain spent a shorter time looking at the questioner and in his “wanderings” around the room he sometimes had his back to the person who had asked the question.
Although Senator McCain’s actions were not so obviously disrespectful to Senator Obama, as his conduct in the first debate – it was extremely disrespectful to the audience/questioner.  So, then the question becomes, do we really want a president who is disrespectful to us, “the voters.”  You know the ones who can choose to put Senator McCain in the White House – or not.    
Dear John,

You had me at "maverick" in 2000 - now you're just a grumpy old man with few real solutions - I'll stay of your lawn, for sure, but my vote will avoid you too...
Obama seemed very calm and in control - very presidential.  McCain tried very hard tonight to turn turn things around, but he didn't.
At times over the last few weeks I have felt quite angery with McCain for attacking Senator Obama, and at others I have felt a rather deep sadness for him. him.  He has been a fine American and I think it's obvious he would like to continue to serve the county he loves, but honestly, he just isn't well suited for the presidency.  He often seems irritable and even mean. I don't agree with him on issues, but that aside, he has been eratic and the negative attacks magnify an appearance, (and I tink the fact), that he is the wrong choice.  He seemed agitated tonight, and I heard a hint of shakiness in his voice.  This tells me how important this is for him, but for his own sake, I wish he had enough perspective to see beyond the campaign. When it's all over, no matter who wins, it's important to keep one's dignity.
By the way Chuck, don't you ever sleep?
Obama 08/12!
I agree that nothing new is really coming out of these debates for anyone that has heard each candidate on every key issue.  I think more people are focused on the style and visuals which Obama is sweeping by a landslide.  

Bottom line, the Republicans CORE argument is that Obama is not fit to be President.  But every test put before him, Obama rises to and exceed the challenge.  A generic Democrat wins this election by a landslide.  This race is only remotely competitive because people are unsure about Obama.  Well, every speech and every debate, Obama reassures another 10,000 voters and that's being reflected in the polls.  To the Republicans dismay, he has NEVER had this Couric/Palin interview moment.  Reverend Wright and Bitter-gate were his only slip ups in over 2 years, but that was nearly 6 months ago which feels like 6 years go.  

McCain has a week to change the dynamics of this race.  If the next debate is a "tie", then Obama should win going away because I think the Republican base is demoralized again with the economy crashing.    
Obama was strong again tonight. Although both candidates many times did not answer the question put to them which I imagine annoyed the audience member that asked it. It's sort of all starting to sound the same. Nothing new....guess it's time to vote. Too bad we have to wait another few weeks.
Obama is so right about health care insurance. Insurance carriers are sitused in certain states because of the regulations (or lack of) In some states, the regulations governing insurance apply to the residents, regardless of where the insurance carrier is sitused.( I have adminstrated these benefits, working with one company, doing business in 3 states.) Without some kind of federally mandated standardization, complete uniformity within the health insurance industry, COMPLETE CHAOS WOULD ENSUE. Everyone would   pick a new insurance carrier? How much more would you like to pay for the cost of changing the insurance? (It would cost the insurance company, it would create jobs there and the costs would be passed along to the insured.) This is how lack of regulation will drive up financial costs. How many people are knowledgeable about health insurance and would like to shop around? Big difference between group rates/individual rates and the coverages are very different.

McCain's plan is a complete nightmare-for the insurance industry, everyone-you don't try to reinroll an entire nation in the middle of an economic crisis, it would tie up insurance payments for months. How angry would the doctors and hospitals get? How many people want to be put in collection? And McCain wants to tax on the American people on this? Who comes up with this stuff?
 
Thank you for not using the word "game." And I also did not see "brand," thank God! I also wonder why pundits like you talk about "body language" or a candidate's use of a phrase like the "that one" that McCain used. I think you all make such a big deal about these things that most of us.

On substance, I thought both candidates were a bit flat and did not offer any new "news." I'm not even sure why people are talking about McCain's offer to buy mortgages as a new plan when it is right in the $700 billion bailout...I mean rescue...plan. Perhaps that is why you all are focusing on the other mundane stuff.
I noticed something pretty significant that illustrated the difference between the McCains and the Obamas - and no one else is talking about it.  When the debate ended and the wives were summoned to the stage, Cindy McCain stood by John's side as he shook a few hands.  Michelle gave Barack a quick kiss and then disappeared - to meet and speak to the audience.  Bigger still is that, after McCain shook a few hands near Tom Brokaw's desk, he and Cindy simply left the stage!  But Barack and Michelle stayed and greeted audience members, had their pictures taken with the audience and Barack was signing autographs.  The main camera view covered this activity for several minutes while Chris Matthews was on a sidebar. All this while McCain - the down-to-earth candidate - left the stage and missed a huge opportunity to "connect" with his "friends".
I did not appreciate McCains reference to Obama as "that one".
I am appalled that a US Sen. and a Gov. will stand by as people in the crowd yell out "terrorist" and "kill him".  They never raised their voices against this flaming of a US Senator.  
I had a great deal of respect for McCain, no more.  
Enough...
Speaking of body language- what was all that manic writting McCain kept doing? He hadn't even fully sat down on the stool and he started scribbling like he'd was going to forget to pick up the milk on his way home if he didn't jot it down.
He spent 90 minutes stomping around like an angry troll with periodic weird outbursts that were supposed to be jokes?  
He comes off kind of creepy- I think he needs to be behind a podium for our sake.
I was dissapointed in McCain's attack on Obama in the foreign policy side of the debate. It was not as if Obama was willing to bomb the country of Pakistan.  If there was actionable intelligence(yes that is a quote), on terrorists especially Osama bin Laden then he would order to take him out.  This argument is getting old and even his running mate, Governor Palin disagrees with him.  Enough already.  As far as the economic side I did not hear Senator McCain offer just more of  the same.
I realize he can’t help it, but as McCain kept moving around the stage his obvious hampered physicality did not serve him well.  It looked like if America chose him it wouldn’t be long before we'd get Sarah Palin.  Ouch, on both counts
thank you for being unbiased, again, with your review.  I don't know why I thought more sparks would fly during the debate.
I mostly agree with this article.  You're right, Chuck, McCain's best moment and Obama's worst involved the Russia question.  Ironically, however, McCain took one of his biggest hits in the foreign policy section of the debate.  He went back to his favorite line about Obama not understanding, and got nailed with one of the best counterpunches of any of the debates.  When Obama said "it's true.  I don't understand." and went on with his littany of Bush and McCain's errors in judgement after 9/11, he negated all of McCain's arguments about his foreign policy superiority.  That fact that he did it so completely with so few words is rather impressive.
Hi Joe and the Morning team, I just wanted to say that in last nights debate Senator Obama picked up a line from Senator McCain which stated something about shopping for health care in different states. Senator Obama said that the health care providers would look for the states with the loose laws to set up shop like the credit companies do in Delaware. My rhetorical question is that isn't his running mate Joe Biden a senator from Delaware.
I was hoping to hear a question or two about the strategies and tactics being used in the campaigns, particularly the McCain campaign's recent announcement that it would be shifting focus off the economy and attacking Obama's character. I think someone ought to have taken McCain to task on that count, given his "straight-talking" rhetoric and wanting to be seen as a clean fighter. Judging from reader/viewer commentary, few are still buying McCain's lines, anyway.
Chuck I see you are still singing the praise of Obama I hope he is paying you because no one will ever belive that you are a news person anymore.  It is a shame we can not belive the news we read and see. I check this sight to read all the hate remarks from Obama's followers and read the Obama's press corps which you are a part of ABC, NBC, CBS, and most of all MSNBC are so in love with Obama its not even funny anymore and you wonder why FOX NEWS has more people watching.  As for the words you enjoy saying so much (You don't get it)
I noticed that McCain often was gripping the back of his chair.  I thought that maybe he was afraid to sit down--that he would have difficulty getting back up.  Obama looked relaxed and graceful.
Y'know, in retrospect, I get the feeling that McCain just doesn't want to be there -- or he so dislikes everything about having to do these things to become President... Maybe it's just hard to have the old sound new - and I mean policies.  Obama, on the other hand, sounds fresh, though he's been spouting mostly the same things for months - and they are new ideas.  I get the feeling Obama believes and McCain believes in nothing except his own contempt for Obama and not getting to be annointed.
I found the body language of the candidates interesting also. Obama seemed more open and connected, while McCain came across as if he were giving a lecture. I felt McCain talked down to us and that Obama talked to us as peers or neighbors.  
As a lifelong Republican, with no intention of changing my registration, I just want to state that as a party we have put up the poorest of tickets.  When we take back the party from the theocrats and, again, make it the party of Lincoln, we will deserve the loyalty of the American public.
    Please, Please, Please, why does no one talk of this. I have a friend who is in his young sixties, he suddenly out of no where had a major stroke. He is lost for all practical purposes even after a year of recovery. John McCain at his age could have a similar event happen in his life, or cerebeal hemmorage. This is real. If so who would be President, a women who had hands laid on her by a minister who beleived in witches. John McCain said it best we do not have time to teach on the job. Think people we can not afford this dangerous women getting her foot in the door. Think, let in a new freash breath of air. John McCain is too risky and most assuredly is Palin, one heart beat away from calling in her witch doc to help her lead.
As a lifelong Republican, with no intention of changing my registration, I just want to state that as a party we have put up the poorest of tickets.  When we take back the party from the theocrats and, again, make it the party of Lincoln, we will deserve the loyalty of the American public.
Chuck,
What would be a good Russia answer according to you? I did not see a difference in substance between the two candidates. I would be very interested if you can enlight us on their respective positions on Russia.
I agree, both canidates did well; but I think Obama did better. McCain was more specific, but not by much, compared to the last debate. Obama, I thought, listed specifics and that helped clarify some of his positions.
McCain remained hostile and dismissive; Obama polite and more engaged. And I know it's off topic but McCain's "that one" along with his and Palin's dangerous/hateful speeches recently just turned me off! They are setting civil rights back and McCain continues to think he's fighting the Vietnam war all over again.
Mark me down as voting for "That One"


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