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The debate: The reviews are in

Posted: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:25 AM by Domenico Montanaro

Last night, MSNBC’s Norah O’Donnell and Adam Verdugo assembled 30 voters from suburban Pennsylvania to watch the debate, using dials (sort of like a remote control) or "perception analyzers" to get moment-by-moment reaction to the candidates. “What we found was fascinating. Overall, independents responded much more favorably to Barack Obama than John McCain, particularly during the discussions on domestic policy. The debate started with a discussion of the economy and the government's $700 billion dollar bailout plan. When McCain said he would order the secretary of the treasury to ‘buy up the bad home loan mortgages in America,’ our participants responded negatively across the board. Some Republicans told us afterwards they don't want their hard-earned taxpayer dollars spent on a bailout.”
 
“Another interesting moment was when McCain joked that getting Obama to nail down his tax proposals was like trying to ‘nail jello to a wall.’ Again, the joke did not play well with independent voters who are often opposed to negative attacks. Still, while we found that McCain failed to convince many independents he did solidify his base. At the end of the debate, Republicans said they were firmer in their support for McCain. Democrats also said they were firmer in their support of Barack Obama. Only one voter out of 30 tonight switched from McCain to Obama. Bottom line: This debate was not a game-changer.”

Those CNN and CBS insta-polls gave Obama the win.

In the debate over body language, the AP writes, "confident Obama, combative McCain." "And then there was the comment, likely to be much remarked upon, about Obama's vote on an energy bill. 'You know who voted for it?' McCain asked, thrusting his finger in Obama's direction but not looking at him. 'That one.' It was a comment that could be interpreted several ways -- harmless, offensive, merely annoying -- but it bothered Tim Groeger, an undecided voter from Morristown, N.J. 'I didn't feel that was very professional,' said Groeger, 28, an accountant. 'I felt McCain was very aggressive. Obama seemed to stay cool and collected.' And yet Groeger said he remained split between the candidates, and hadn't heard enough specifics from Obama."

The Washington Post’s Shales: “[T]he snarled ‘that one’ also contributed to McCain's image as a kind of mean old Scrooge, not so much a battle-scarred warrior as an embittered one. "Intemperate" is an adjective often applied to him, and again McCain demonstrated why. He also was perhaps the more relentlessly repetitious of the two men -- though Obama trotted out many a rerun from past appearances -- and was guilty of addressing the audience with his old standby phrase "my friends" at least 15 times in the 90-minute session.” 

The Boston Globe's Canellos: "Sometimes sarcastic and sometimes sincere, McCain seemed off-balance in a way that undermined his much-repeated claim of being 'a cool hand at the tiller.' Obama, who did not particularly excel at town hall-style debates during the primaries -- sometimes seeming lordly or professorial -- was better than McCain last night at connecting with audience members on their own terms." 

The New York Post’s Hurt: "And that was supposed to be the platform where John McCain would shine the brightest? …  If last night was the arena of McCain's choice, he's in deep trouble these next 26 days. Obama was loose, polished and seemed to enjoy the whole thing. Afterward, he stuck around for a long time, posing for pictures with throngs of people gathered on stage. McCain was awkward and rambling and said some pretty strange things - like calling Obama 'that one.' Several of his attempts at humor came off as brittle and harsh."

The New York Daily News' DeFrank: " With the stock market cratering another 500 points yesterday, McCain wasn't able to achieve his most critical objective: changing the subject to more favorable turf. … What McCain must do before next week's finale on Long Island is find a formula to convince uncommitted voters that he can be a superior financial crisis steward than Obama."

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Obama showed a mastery of the facts and a faith in the truth. He calmly corrected McCain as often as necessary. McCain appeared as a clone spouting the ideology with which he had been  programmed but with no grasp of the facts and no regard for the truth.
My thoughts - if someone had been in a coma for the past 20 years, awoke to this debate, and afterwards was asked to identify which guy is from which party, he'd get it wrong.

The things that stuck out in my mind are that McCain wants the government to buy up everybody's mortgage - can you imagine the government expansion that would be needed for that? - and criticized his opponent for talking too tough.

Plus, McCain isn't willing to prioritize. Dagnabit, he's going to get people their health care now!

This race has developed in a truly bizarre way. And I'm not talking about McCain's answers on hair transplants and 'that one.' In the general election, he's trying to move to the left of Obama. Who saw that one coming?
McCain looked like an out of touch old man last nite, Obama looked Presidential.  Perception is everything.
McCain asked, thrusting his finger in Obama's direction but not looking at him. 'That one.'
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This is the take-away-moment from the debate.  This is what the news outlets and blogs will be talking about for days.

http://thepajamapundit.com/
Dear Sen. McCain,
Last night, you made some amazing statements concerning your qualifications to be the next President of the United States.  I, like many other Americans, would be intrigued to learn more.

First, you said, “I know how to fix Social Security.”  That’s such a relief to hear.  Millions of seniors have worked diligently their entire lives assuming the safety net would be there.  My mother-in-law is one of them; she is 64 and planned on retiring from her manual labor job next year, surviving on the system she paid into her whole adult life, as well as her modest inheritance from her husband.  Unfortunately, she invested her inheritance in the stock market, so she’s relying even more than before on Social Security.   However, we all know it’s broken.  Your previous suggestion was to privatize Social Security and allow seniors’ hard earned money to be woven into golden parachutes for CEOs like (your advisor) Carly Fiorina’s. But since you know now how to fix it, please share this amazing secret.

Next, you said, “I know how to find Osama bin Laden.”  The commander in Afghanistan is General David McKiernan.  After you get off the phone with my mother-in-law, please give him a call.  Better yet, hop a plane to Kabul and relieve some of our over-extended troops.  They have families they haven’t seen in 15 months.

You have a fascinating debate technique.  It’s known in the entertainment industry as “building the suspense” or “leading the audience.”  Unfortunately, this isn’t a “Bourne” movie.  Instead of tantalizing us with these astonishing statements, then blathering about Joe Lieberman, (who, by the way, isn’t across the aisle-- he’s in your front pocket) why not provide us with specifics?  Why not, instead of trying to smear Senator Obama, (“that one”) you come up with your own plans?  Maybe then, you could be fighting on a level-playing field: one based on issues, on expertise, on judgment, on leadership, rather than one about pitbulls, lipstick, and tenuous “associations.”  Please, Senator McCain, give the voters some credit.  We know, and have known for a long time, who Fannie and Freddie are.  We understand what’s at stake in Afghanistan and Iraq.  We’re terrified about the economy, and fighting for our children’s education.  It’s time for you to actually answer the questions.  We’re waiting,  and we can’t stand the suspense.

Sincerely,
An Informed Voter
I thought McCain was VERY NERVOUS and stumbling over his words-- most noticeably at the beginning.   He should be nervous after his 'politics of SMEAR AND FEAR' & his pitbull running mate ----a disgrace to the American political system.   McCain looked like a little old man standing there and telling Americans how ....'.I know how to fix it;  I know how to do it'.


Obama was cool, confident and WON THE DEBATE hands down.  He is a unique leader for our times.

VOTE FOR A LEADER WE CAN TRUST.....
OBAMA/BIDEN '08

Firmer? Both Camps? Like they were what? 'Jello' before, and now they're...uh, 'Jello with Rebar'? Where is Ralph Nader when we need him?  His support was always in the 'Ferrocement' realm.
I am "THAT ONE"
I am an american
I am Proud to serve my country
I am that one who pays taxes, and see them vanish for potbelly rich old farts
I am that one who lives day to day , paycheck to paycheck
I am that one who has no health insurance
I am that one who retirement fund is dwindling
I am that one who does not live in 7 homes
I am "THAT ONE"
maybe not the one McCain supports, but obama does
It seems like McCain is actually trying to lose the election.  When you are a crippled old man, why add mean and nasty to the mix.

Saying that the townhall format is your strong suit when it just highlights your age and physical handicaps, does not help the McCain cause.
I was a relectant watcher of the debate and I found that McCain made me nerveous the way he walked around the stage and the way he came up to people.  I felt that if it where me, he was invading my space...and felt uncomfortable for that person. Way too close...

I also felt that both were giving their stump speechs again and again...although Obama make things a little clear on what he want to do...and that McCain was good at times, he was a little condesending...made some snide remarks that turned me off. McCain doesn't get it...
Mccain just looked old and angry.
He did not answer the questions and appeared
to be fumbling when he tried.
It is hard for him to defend hisself and his
party after what they have done to our
country these last eight years.
One of the most interesting moments in the debate was when they were discussing Obama's statement that he would go into Pakistan with or without Pakistan's "permission." If you listened closely, it sure sounded to me that McCain was saying he too would do whatever was necessary, but he wouldn't talk about it. In other words, he too would go into Pakistan.

It is an interesting debate because I can see both sides. On the one hand, letting people know you're going to do it may put more emphasis on getting Pakistan to do their best and cooperate. On the other hand, it may drive a wedge between us and push us further apart.

Something I think Obama has missed a big opportunity on is when McCain keeps hammering him on the "surge" issue and that Obama still hasn't said he was wrong. I think a perfect response to that is to say, "Senator McCain, I was against the invasion of Iraq from day one. Had you and President Bush shared my judgement, there would have been no surge to talk about because we never would have made the mistake of invading in the first place."

Overall, I was disappointed that neither candidate seems willing to deliver the bad news or to really answer the questions.
So heartening to see the grumpy old man make a fool of himself last night with that despicable "that one" comment that had racial overtones all over it.  No wonder he cut and ran after the debate while Obama hung out with the regular middle class people afterwards and won many hearts and minds.

No doubt that Mainstream America is moving to the left as they see more and more of Obama.  They have been fooled in the past but now see through the hubris thrown at them by the repugnant ones.

Go Obama/Biden 08/12!
Have we come to the point where it's time to ask the question: is John McCain in contol of his prejudices?  He opposed the Martin Luther King, Jr. holiday.  There is no significantly visible African-American member of his team.  He refuesed to make eye contact with Sen. Obama in the first debate, which seems an action that dismisses Obama's existence, or simply means he doesn't like looking at him.  And now, he refers to Sen. Obama as "that one."  Following thye debate, when the candidates and their wives were speaking, Obama extended his hand to McCain and McCain didn't shake it, allowing starry-eyed Cindy to step in and cover for him.  

I used to admire John McCain and still honor his heroism and bravery.  However,my prejudice detector is going off.  
Unlike a lot of people today, I didn't see a clear winner in the debate. Both of them skirted issues. The one that got me most was the last question," What is it that you don't know and how will you learn it "
Obama didn't answer at all, just gave some lame background answer that didn't sway me, if anything made me even more cautious about him.
McCain, did in fact answer and I thought it was honest and good. Not knowing what was going to happen financially and in the future was good. Although I didn't see a real winner I felt McCain still did a better job.
Buy mortgages, renegtiate them to lower amounts, what about those of us who are paying our mortgages why don't I get this gift of a reduction?  Because I pay my bills I receive nothing? VERY BAD IDEA.
Obama will be our next president. As a Hillary supporter, I can say that Obama has come a long way since the primary debates. I now feel comfortable with him. I also believe he will be getting lots of help from the Clintons. That makes me a satisfied democrat.
Beyond all that, I do not think that the "town hall" format played as well towards McCain and here's why:

He often appeared confused, and he came across as a very old man whose health is not well.  He appeared not just wounded (from his POW days) but flat out ILL.  I could not look at him and NOT think, "This is a man whose health and mind are failing, perhaps quickly".  And I think that impression came across to many voters, perhaps subconciously.  And, of course, if he is President and subsequently becomes incapacitated....well, we all know what happens then.

Bottom line:  I have NO faith that McCains health and brain are going to hold up for four years, let alone eight.  And I'm not willing to take the chance of a President Palin.

As a registered independent who votes based on issues and not on style, I must say that Obama demonstrated more command of the issues and a much more intelligent position than McCain, and delivered it with style and poise. To me, McCain's position on issues as he tried to explain last night didn't make much sense and despite him trying to distance himself from the Bush administration, the fact is that most of his proposals are typical Republican positions, which have proven not to work during the last 8 years of a Republican administration, with 6 1/2 of those 8 years of absolute Republican majority in both the house and the senate. My vote goes to Obama.
Senator Obama was PRESIDENTIAL!
Once again, Mr. Obama displayed a firm grasp of both foreign and domestic policies.  As I've said on this blog and others, SMART trumps saber rattling every time.  

Somewhere in the gray matter that is my brain, I seem to recall a movie line, and I'm paraphrasing, "Smart is sexy".  While the "sexy" part may or may not apply, it is certainly a quality that is appealing - especially after eight years of W.

I did not get home in time to watch it live. However the "that one" comment came out more insulting than what Mccain had hoped.  At times Mccain looked like a man who wanted to be anywhere else but there.  Secondly we all know who is favoring Obama on CNN.  What struck me last night was how many republican supporters had to admit their man lost in a big way.
One of the moments that is probably getting missed in the analysis of the debate was this line from Senator McCain...

"But you know, one of the real catalysts, really the match that lit this fire was Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.  I'll bet you, you may never even have heard of them before this crisis."

That was not a smart thing to say.  He assumed that the questioner did not know about Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac before the current financial crisis.

Condescending and dismissive, wouldn't you agree?
McCain just proved that he is a liar, racist, rude, and has no idea what the working class americans really feel. He makes me sick just looking at him.
Obama's confidence during this debate was really impressive. He is always showing confidence through his body language. That might be because of his previous jobs, being a lawyer and a professor. He is already a polished speaker plus the psychological back up from the media who has been polishing his personality so he become more and more confidence. Well McCain was doing his best to look confidence, but seems like it is not so impressive.It is sad because a confident person can inspered another person to be confident,too. But confidence alone is not the basis of the success of the future president because too much of it can lead to his demise.
Obviously Mr. Groeger isn't listening very well.  Senator Obama gave lots of specifics.  mccain gave none other than to 'freeze' the government.  What does that mean?  That's frightening!
McCain's "I know how to fix Social Security" and "I know how to find Bib Laden" reminded me of Nixon's secret plan to end the Vietnam war.  How can McCain expect people to vote for "I know but I'm not telling"?
Did anybody else pick up on what McCain said about Osama BinLaden? If so, could you please enlighten me on what he said.  I'm think I'm wrong but it sounded like McCain said he knew where Bin Laden is and how to get him.  If he knows and doesn't tell,  isn't that dangerous?
Hello President Obama! The "game-changer" moment McFossil needed didn't come during the debate last night. I also don't think the forum boded well for McCain; he wandered around the stage like a grumpy old man; bent over, stiff, and acted very non-professional throughout the entire debate.  At times I think he meant to be funny, but it never came across as that; it came across as being condecending, even dismissive, especially when he referred to Senator Obama as "That one." Barring any revolting news about Obama that hasn't been uncovered in the past 19 months, I feel much safer thinking that he will be elected (by a hearty margin) November 4th! Thank goodness the Bush/Cheney/McCain era is almost over for America. Give me the steady, calm hand of Senators Obama and Biden for the next 8 years!!!!!
Republican Party Presidential Candidate John McCain (R-AZ) arrived in Nashville in need of a game-changer. What he received instead was a trip to the woodshed, courtesy of Democratic Party rival Barack Obama (D-IL).

Please read my analysis at:

http://democratictribune.com/obamadominatesagain.html
Sen. McCain enjoys free-wheeling town halls where he can use his sarcastic humor and feed off the audience responses.  His humor didn't work because the audience wasn't supposed to respond or clap and the cameras (per the agreement) weren't supposed to show the reaction of the person asking the question.  It also appeared that Sen. McCain doesn't enjoy sharing the stage -- maybe it works when the others (Sarah Palin? Joe Lieberman? Lindsey Graham) are clearly second to McCain, but he has a hard time seeing Sen. Obama as an equal (perhaps because of the hierarchy so important to the military).  However, in a democracy, all citizens are equal.
Hey Johnny-Boy, you wanna know which of you two I'm voting for?  

"That one!"
I think it goes even further...McCain is treading on shaking ground as it seems he is trying to create a negative and divisive energy with his and Palin's hate talk that we haven't seen in this country in many years.  This is a very dangerous strategy, to accuse a man of sympathizing with terrorists (while throwing in an under current of racism just to make the point) and dancing on a nerve that's been raw since 911 (and the '60's).  Then, not even commenting on comments like "Kill Him" in their rallies after they have fired everyone up.  If it can be heard on the video, then the candidate heard it, too.   That sort of language should not be tolerated and the GOP candidates AND reps are responsible for publically and strongly condeming that sort of behavior.  It's uncalled for, it's callous, it's unpatriotic and it's someplace one should never go.  Just like you don't scream FIRE in a theater.  McCain is completely out of control.
John McCain is not "the one". He is a confused old man. It does not mean that a 72 year old man cannot be an effective president bu McCain is an "old" 72 both in demeanor and ideas.

It was obvious that he took notes from Obama's answers and paraphrased them as part of his responses. That was pathetic!

John McCain as president is scary because he is old and maybe not particularly well. That coupled with Sarah Palin as VP is truly frightening. I would not have voted for him under any circumstances but with a Romney or Ridge as a running mate I would be more accepting of him if he were to beat Obama.

If Obama does not win it will be because the system is rigged. No thinking man or woman is going to vote for McCain/Palin.
Both candidates dodged directly answering some of the audience members' questions, but it was McCain who was much more vague and muddled with his responses.  He seemed to think saying over and over that we are the most good and greatest nation would somehow suffice as proper answers.  We didn't hear enough about how he would do things if elected.  I'll give him one thing, though: He has a lot more fortitude and class than the extremist Palin.
Was it my imagination, or did McCain signal or gesture to someone in the audience towards the end of the debate?

And why did he wander in front of the camera as Tom Brokaw was making his closing statements? Couldn't he find his way off stage like he did in Independence, MO last week? He looked lost. I saw it on C-Span and was surprised to not see it on Countdown or Rachael Maddow. Check it out on You Tube.
Obama may be spending more on the campaign; but who spent more money last election?  Bush spent alot more than Gore. Perhaps the fact that he has more contributions than McCain is a sign that he is more popular. The Gods know that Bush is a big spender - look at our deficit.  At least Obama, while he plans to spend money to create jobs and improve education; also plans to spend less than Bush - thereby lowering the deficit.  Let's face it, with Bush spending the billions of dollars in Iraq (when the Iraqi's have a 79 billion dollar surplus); no one is going to be able to eliminate the deficit in 1 term. And as for taxes; Obama wants to repeal the tax break given to the wealthiest Americans and return that tax bracket back to their 1990's tax percentage.  McCain doesn't like it because it will affect him and his cronies. and McCain's 5,000 dollar tax credit - on his own website, says that that money goes to the insurance companies and not to the consumer as he would have you believe... who's lying now? - lying by misinformation.
I'm an ardent Obama supporter, and I wish he'd say something like this when he's asked how he plans to help our troubled economy:

I'm going to emulate one of our greatest presidents, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and create a 2009 version of the National Recovery Act.  We are in the most serious economic situation since the Great Depression, and we must act boldly and swiftly in ways that go way beyond the rescue plan approved by Congress.  By that I mean

• We must create a far-reaching initiative that puts people to work on repairing our crumbling infrastructure -- similar to Roosevelt's Works Progress Administration

• Create an energy program as bold as the TVA was in its day that can make us all proud to find new sources of energy and conserve the energy we have

• Focus greater attention than ever on fixing our health care system and making health insurance available to everyone

• Focus like a laser beam on education and make it available, affordable and accessible to all Americans.  

Healthier Americans will boost our productivity and reduce medical costs; smarter Americans will prepare us to compete more effectively in our increasingly global economy.  

Don't be scared off by those who say the price tag for these programs would be too costly.  The fact is, these proposals will stimulate the economy, provide our people with jobs, boost American productivity and make citizens feel great about doing something positive for their country.  They also will give Americans more spending money and greater security.  

One more thing:  If you have a child who is planning to take a so-called gap year after high school, I have a better idea.  My administration will create a program that puts high school graduates to work for a year on projects that beef up our infrastructure, our schools and our communities.  If we do this the right way, your children will earn a salary that they can use to further their education, and they will have a real stake in helping pull our country out of our current economic crisis.  

I know we have the resolve to make this work.  This is really what putting our country first is all about, and I ask all Americans to be prepared to lend a hand in fixing our economy and putting country first.


For Senator McCain to refer to Senator Obama as that one mean spirited. McCain is out of touch with everday people and will not work for us. Obama was always expressing his concerns for us and how he will do his best to give us a good income, health care that is afforable, allow us to educate our children so that they can make a good living for themselves,and not make social security private.    
Obama will be our next president. As a Hillary supporter, I can say that Obama has come a long way since the primary debates. I now feel comfortable with him. I also believe he will be getting lots of help from the Clintons. That makes me a satisfied democrat.
j fl (Sent Wednesday


Well maybe for you, but a lot of don't feel that way.
Huessin can go to hell for all we care.
Not decided wrote, "Unlike a lot of people today, I didn't see a clear winner in the debate. Both of them skirted issues. The one that got me most was the last question," What is it that you don't know and how will you learn it "
Obama didn't answer at all, just gave some lame background answer that didn't sway me, if anything made me even more cautious about him.
McCain, did in fact answer and I thought it was honest and good. Not knowing what was going to happen financially and in the future was good. Although I didn't see a real winner I felt McCain still did a better job."
(Sent Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:47 AM)
I have to be honest with you - unlike many I wasn't blown away by Obama's performance last night.  However your statement, in my opinion, examplifies why many say Obama speaks to us like adults.  You may want to go back and listen to the answers.  His answer and John McCain's were almost identical except that Obama's was more nuanced.  In fact, didn't he mention that one a president does not know is what you will face once in office?  You may need to make an effort to move beyond soundbites.  Perhaps it is not a winning strategy, however wouldn't it be fun if we could have a president that speaks to us in an intelligent way rather than simply applying slogans?

sENATOR OBAMA definitely won!  McCain referring to him as "that one" and not looking at him was very mean spirited.  Also, when McCain was answering the question regarding Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, he told the young BLACK man who asked the question that he had probably not heard of either of them before this mess we're in.  How supid and condescending!  Both of those instances seemed very racist to me. OBAMA was at-ease and appeared very presidential.  McCain looked like an old, sick dottering fool!
I am weary of people who say "a country as prosperous as ours should be able to ________________"(fill in the blank).  Obama used that line when referring to a foreign economic difficulty.  Doen't he realize we are in our own economic difficulty.  RHJ
I watched the body language, especially.  McCain seemed stiff, and unknowingly leaned away from Obama when Obama leaned forward to hug him.  That told me a lot, right there.

But on to the contents: Obama, as always, came across as someone who deeply cares about this--his--country. He came across as focused, intelligent, and engaged in the moment. By contrast, McCain seemed to be having "senior moments".  Was his remark "that one" a temporary forgetting of his opponents name?  Some seem to think so, and I (as a geriatric nurse) strongly suspect early manifestations of senility.  Do we want THAT in the White House?  And if he gets to the point where he can't serve, do we want The Frontier Barbie running our country (into the ground)?

Palin whines and shrills that Barack Obama doesn't have enough experience.  She's the pot that calls the kettle black (no pun intended).  SHE is the one woefully unprepared to run the country.  

Last night's debate really pointed up the deficits of McCain (and Palin) as a team who should be entrusted with the next four years of sopping up the havoc Dumbya wreaked during his horrific 2 terms in office.

Obama-Biden 2008


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