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First thoughts: Nothing changed

Posted: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:30 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Carrie Dann
NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Part three of the four-part debate series is now over, and the one big conclusion is that nothing changed. And nothing changing isn't a good result for McCain. In need of a trajectory-changer (we’re trying not to use the word "game"), McCain didn't get it. This now puts pressure on him to make the most of the final debate next week. However, McCain might have lost before the debate ever started -- at 4:00 pm ET Tuesday, when the final curtain fell on another horrible day on Wall Street. And now the Fed has just cut a key interest rate by half a point to 1.5%.

Interactive: Analyze the debate.  Scan the video by question and keyword.

*** What stood out: As for the actual encounter, a few things stood out. Obama started strong and was surprisingly aggressive with McCain. We don't know that he missed an opportunity in the first 40 minutes of the debate to attack McCain. And yet, despite the attacks by Obama, McCain may end up being viewed as the more negative candidate, since he sounded so defensive early on and he had the awkward "that one" moment. Obama also was more attuned to the format, constantly framing his answers for average or regular voters. To McCain's credit, he got stronger in the second half and really found his groove during the foreign policy portion of the encounter. If this debate had gone another half hour, it would have done McCain some good. He was just getting warmed up.

*** Strongest and weakest moments: McCain's strongest moment came during the Russia question, which also coincidentally was Obama's weakest. And Obama's best moment was on health care, which -- you got it -- was McCain's weakest. McCain's difficulty connecting on the economy probably explains why Obama scored better in the post debate polls and focus groups.

Video: NBC Political Director Chuck Todd offers his first read on why viewers are giving Barack Obama high marks in the second presidential debate.

*** Watching the body language: Last night’s body language was also fascinating. It appeared Obama, as in the first debate, was more camera-aware during his non-speaking time than McCain. Considering the format and the fact that close watchers of this debate won't have heard anything new from the candidates, the body language portion of the confrontation might be more influential to some viewers. We’re wondering if some Obama campaign strategists are regretting their decision to not agree to some joint town halls with McCain sooner. Bottom line: It was great to see the candidates out from behind the podiums; it created a lively exchange even as it came across at times as repetitive.

*** Needing an economic makeover: McCain still has an opportunity to fix his problems on the economy. Obama isn't winning on this issue because he's winning over folks based on this plans; he's winning the economy because of history and because of Bush. The problem for McCain is he isn't connecting. He attempted to start a new debate on a big idea last night regarding the housing issue, but McCain struggled to sell it. His instinct on how to win this thing appears to be right -- he has to win over voters on the economy. Attacking Obama's character can close the gap, but it may not get him over the finish line. Changing the game on the economy is the only way to do that and maybe it's an impossible task for any Republican, let alone McCain.

*** Is this why Obama opted out of public funds? But just like at the vice-presidential debate when we also learned that day that Team McCain was retreating from Michigan, the biggest news yesterday in the presidential race might have come before the debate even started. Interviewed on MSNBC, Obama strategist David Axelrod revealed that 4 million individuals have now donated to the Obama camp. That’s up from 2.5 million last month, meaning -- if our math is correct -- that 1.5 million new people gave money to Obama. So how big will Obama’s September fundraising haul be? It looks like it might be BIG. Will it top the 100-million mark? (1.5 million new donors at 100 a pop… Well, you get the math.) This all perhaps explains how Obama outspent McCain by a nearly 3-to-1 margin last week, per data from the Wisconsin Advertising Project. Writes the Washington Post’s Cillizza, “From Sept. 30 to Oct. 6, Obama spent more than $20 million on television ads in 17 states including more than $3 million in Pennsylvania and more than $2 million each in Florida, Michigan and Pennsylvania. McCain in that same time frame spent just $7.2 million in 15 states. Even when the Republican National Committee's independent expenditure spending in Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin is factored in (a total of $5.3 million), Obama still outspent the combined GOP forces by roughly $8 million in the last week alone.”

*** Biden’s back: It's a big day for Joe Biden, NBC’s Ron Allen reports. Biden’s returning to the trail after spending several days dealing with family matters. And we've been told he's going step up his defense of Barack Obama and himself given the negative tone of the campaign. He's in battleground Florida all day, and then off to Missouri tomorrow. This weekend Biden has a joint event with the Clintons in Scranton, Pennsylvania. This morning, the campaign thrust Biden front and center on the morning shows for post-debate spin. On TODAY, Biden accused McCain and Palin of heading down an ugly slippery slope with the  "character" attacks of recent days.

*** On the trail: McCain and Palin are back on the trail together, holding rallies in Bethlehem, PA and Strongsville, OH. Obama has a rally in Indianapolis. Biden returns to the trail after the death of his mother-in-law, stumping in Florida. And Michelle Obama attends a rally in Keene, NH before heading to New York City to appear on the Daily Show.
 
Countdown to the third presidential debate: 7 days
Countdown to Election Day 2008: 27 days
Countdown to Inauguration Day 2009: 104 days
 
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OBAMA WON!!!
WHY???
American voter: *Did you order the negative campaigning?*
Senator McCain: *You’re damned right I did!*

The Moderator said it all:
The best line of the night came from Tom Brokaw to John McBush.  "Please get out of the way so we can get on with it!!!!!"

A RABID REPUBLICAN FOR OBAMA/BIDEN '08/'12  
"Obama isn't winning on this issue because he's winning over folks based on this (his) plans; he's winning the economy because of history and because of Bush."  

I beg to differ with your accusation, Mccain as far as I can tell believes in the "trickle down" theory which anyone knows has not been trickling for 90% of the population, now the money corporations make is used to "trickle" jobs offshore, Mccain embraces pro business issues at the expense of the American citizen, Obama knows that the only way to have prosperity is through a strong middle class and supports pro-citizen ideas, although I will admit economically Mccain and Bush are the same.
"Obama isn't winning on this issue because he's winning over folks based on this (his) plans; he's winning the economy because of history and because of Bush."  

I beg to differ with your accusation, Mccain as far as I can tell believes in the "trickle down" theory which anyone knows has not been trickling for 90% of the population, now the money corporations make is used to "trickle" jobs offshore, Mccain embraces pro business issues at the expense of the American citizen, Obama knows that the only way to have prosperity is through a strong middle class and supports pro-citizen ideas, although I will admit economically Mccain and Bush are the same.
I hope everyone knows that we, as a nation of free people are going to have to commit to the changes that Barack Obama is going to ask us to make. He is one man with a vision formed from his life experience, there are many of us that share some part of this with him. My question is are we going to work together or will we hope he'll do it all for us? Our job is going to be to give a little bit of effort so everyone is lifted by the work ahead. It is one thing to agree, it's something all together different to put forward the effort to make it happen.
What stood out was Tom Brokaw's ineffectual stewardship of the debate.  He had authority and opportunity to pick provocative and fair questions that might hold Obama's and McCain's feet to the fire; questions that did not enable a nauseating return to their respective stump speeches.  

Tom fell down on the job.  Hope the third debate gets into some red meat.
I'm so afraid that Obama will this. God help us all.
After he took a large lead the stock markets have plunged, and I see that as a sign of what his presidency will be, but only worse. I watched the debate last night and still didn't see where Obama's plans will help this country. His tax plans are so far fetched that will not work. To say 5% of the people OWE 95 % and to make that 5% pay all the taxes is wrong and stupid. Also his small business paln will sink 3/4 of all small business. This man is dangerous and exstremely risky.
Anyone but Obama (Sent Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:39 AM)

Oh, so you got that e-mail too, eh?  Do you ever look into the validity of such e-mails or do you just take them at face value?

Let me help you out:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/votedforchange.asp

No need to thank me.  It's my pleasure.
i really did like the way the obamas stayed to talk to everyone in the crowd after the debate. that seem like a really warm moment on the other hand mcain left quickly and that does not serve mcain what was he thinking
I don't think that anybody won the debate last night and I don't think that America will win if Obama is elected.  I expected McCain to out manuever Obama and really hit hard on the issues.  He didn't do that nearly enough.  Let me be clear, I'm voting for McCain but my concern is that he didn't give the undecided folks enough of a "show" for lack of a better description.  I pity the people who keep commenting on how presidential Obama looks. What?  If that is what you are basing your vote on I can't imagine why you are even bothering.  How about someone who can do the job, not just look the part on television?  Thank you "anyone but obama" for your comments.  Nobody else picked up on that?  Yes we have a Republican president but it's the Democratic Congress who has had a direct affect on the economic issues that we are facing.  

Here's the disconnect for McCain.  He is from a generation of service oriented, community minded, patriotic Americans who are engaged and knowledgable about the political process.  They are aware of and thankful for the right to vote.  McCain says record versus rhetoric which I agree with.  However, many of the young voters are not going to check out the records.  They are going to vote based on his presidential look, etc...  My hope is that the initial excitement will wane and those same folks will not follow through at the polls.  
I love the interactive video tool. But won't use it on this debate. No disrespect intended, but Brokaw is a snoozer. He should have let them talk. His rigidity killed potential fireworks. I think he unintentionally protected Obama.
The Tennessee Titans this week improved to 5-0
The Vanderbilt Commodores this week improved to 5-0
And in the very same city that hosts these two teams, Obama-Biden this improved to 3-0

http://www.rodneyhopper.com

I thought both bombed the fantastic question about "What sacrifices do you think will be need to be asked of the American people?" Now, that questioner is a patriot; I think perhaps she was an older woman and child of the Depression-- a true citizen.

I wanted one of them to state in clear terms the value of volunteering-- sacrifice of some personal time to volunteer. Neither one was clear on that, althought the V-word slipped out in Obama's answer in the end.
I wonder how many Repubicans like mysself will vote for Oboma but are afraid to put his sign in their yard.Iam feed up with the way this country has been run in the last eight years, Its time for a change.
Is It just me or was anybody else creeped out every time McCreepy said "my friends" in that tight jawed way of his that indicated to me that he was being sarcastic and considered the crowd to be any thing BUT "his friends"?


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