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Going to Carolina…

Posted: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 3:53 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC's Luke Russert
WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. -- I watched the debate here with students from Wake Forest University last night. I decided to travel to North Carolina because recent polls show the presidential race between McCain and Obama very close. No Democrat has won North Carolina since Jimmy Carter did in 1976, and I wanted to gauge the situation on the ground to see if North Carolina is actually up for grabs.
 
Republicans and Democrats at Wake Forest agree that North Carolina can be considered a swing state this year and attribute its newfound status to a rise in registration among younger voters and African Americans, as well as to the large number of transplants that have come from the Midwest and New England to live in the state for its favorable tax incentives.

One young Republican I spoke with said she believes a lot of moderate Republicans here, especially in the suburbs around Charlotte and Raleigh, are going to vote for Obama. She attributed this to something she called "Bush Guilt." Moderate Republicans are disappointed with their '04 votes and want to vote for a change candidate. If this is the case, Obama has a very good shot of winning the state.

Another student I spoke with said, while Obama will keep it close, the high number of evangelical voters and the state's inherent conservatism will allow McCain to pull out a victory. Keep in mind that some polls in 2004 had Bush and Kerry running neck-and-neck, but Bush ended up winning the state by 12 points. 
 
There are two interesting local races here that reflect the changing mood of the state. Sen. Elizabeth Dole is in an absolute dogfight against State Sen. Kay Hagan. Polls have indicated a close race, and if North Carolinians are willing to vote out the well-known Dole, who replaced the local legend Jesse Helms, it demonstrates how much change really is brewing in the state.
 
Another race to keep an eye on is in the 8th Congressional District, located in the southern part of the state. In 2006, incumbent Robin Hayes won this race against little-known schoolteacher Larry Kissell by only 329 votes. In the past, the rural 8th district has been fairly conservative, but it has been hit hard by the poor economy and has become more middle of the road. Kissell now leads by 8 points in the most recent Survey USA poll.
 
These two races show a state that is no longer decisively Republican, but very much up for grabs. I am interested to see if "Values Voters" appear in high numbers, as they did in 2004, or if the economy dominates the day, as many are predicting.
 
As for the debate, an older person sent me the following: "Both disappointed me. I want Churchill or FDR -- these times call for soaring rhetoric and calls to action. Too small for the times."

I thought that was an interesting read on what some called a boring debate. By now you have read every pundit's opinion of what transpired last night, so I won't bore you with too much more of the same.

With our nation facing such challenging times, I expected each candidate to try to make a more personal plea, and explain why he would make the best steward of a country that is now in dire straits.

Frankly, all we saw was more of the same: two candidates sticking to their crafted positions, unwilling to appear uncertain or overly romantic.

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They have plenty of conservative company.

WOW!!! Check out this David Brooks interview calling Sarah Palin “a cancer to the republican party” and even goes on to praise Obama and his circle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvxQwNqZSOQ
more of the same was right. I couldn't agree more, except that more of the same from Obama is MUCH MUCH different than more of the same from McCain.

I saw more of the same from easch which meant that Obama offered more solutions and McCain was pretty much just walking around looking awkward.

Check out our latest post:
http://lastofourkind.blogspot.com
Hey, Luke, thanks for dropping by our town! Your assessment is right on--North Carolina's definitely changing in a BIG way. I am worried that the polls will end up as they did in 2004 (Bush blowout after tight polling), but I hear more people talking politics and see more people working on campaigns now than ever before. I'm glad people around here are finally starting to CARE!
OBAMA/BIDEN, 2008!

Nothing else need be said...
I live in the Western part of NC and many of my Republican family members are voting for Obama.  My husband and I are also first time voters voting for Obama.  
That said I still think NC will be close but I do believe early voting will help Obama here and I believe he can win here.  
Bush and Kerry were almost even and Bush won. However, many moderate republicans are not happy with Bush and McCain's choice of Palin. Palin plays to the evangelical fundamentalist which does not sit well with moderate republicans. Therefore, I think they might vote Obama. Just a thought.
I hope the voters see through the hypocrisy of the McCain/Palin campaign. McCain and Palin's ties to despicable organizations (Iran Contra- McCain; anti-American secessionist party - Palin)as well as their attempts to use fearmongering tactics to avoid the real issues. Shame on them!
Now that would be some wonderful news if Hagan can beat "Frigid" Dole.  So funny that the bible belt is starting to unravel as a stronghold of the repugnant ones.  They must be finally getting some high value voters down there getting registered.

I watched as Obama talked today that the DOW went from over 200 points down to even as he ended his speech.  By the time the Shrill Shrew of Alaska spoke the DOW was around 160 points up.  By the time her aged anrgy Sugar Daddy was done speaking the DOW was down to zero.  Then Paulson stepped up to the plate as the DOW was 140 points up and by the time he was done flapping his tired gums the DOW was down to zero and ended the day down 191 points.

Barack Obama gaveth the DOW hope and McCain/Palin plus Paulson taketh away the DOW's hope.  Heckuva job Johnny, Sarah and Hankie!

Go Obama/Biden 08/12!
McCain is so hate-filled that he wouldn't even shake hands with Sen. Obama.  How disrespectful, and what a nasty, rude, man he is.  This country doesn't need someone like he and Failin who promote and incite hatred and violence.

OBAMA/BIDEN, 2008!
The debate format has so many constraints on the real act of debating that all you get is set speeches delivered in 2 minute segments regardless of the questions asked. It is a farce and should really be labeled a simulataneous campaign commercial from both candidates. Lets change this format for the next debate and insists on real answers to real questions.
People of ALL parties should stand up and tell John McCain and Sarah Palin that America has has ENOUGH of their kind of campaigning -- smears and racism.

We are better than that and better than those two, who are either genuine racists or just willing to do whatever to win.

That's not what America needs. Divisive, angry, only-for-the-rich, users who put themselves FIRST before America and Americans.

We ALL QUESTION YOUR TRUTHFULLNESS, JOHN... because you ARE a liar. And an egotistic child who never grew up or amounted to anything but an angry old man.

Your father and grandfather would be ASHAMED of you, but then, they have been, all your pathetic life.
Great more idiots voting on skin color. Just what we need ! Talk about racism.
Vote NOBAMA in 2008!!!!!

REJECT SOCIALISM for AMERICA!
Lord God...Sharpton has been convicted of disorderly conduct in relation to demonstations for Shawn Bell...lol.

Next, Palin will be talking about Obama's association with Sharpton, another domestic terrorist..lol
frankly anyone who voted Bush the second time...  I can't figure how you don't feel like you have blood on your hands like he and Cheney do.  4100+ Americans and God knows how many Iraqis have died because Bush Wanted a war.  This was not a case of national security.  It was as crazy as what I fear McCain is and what he'd do if elected.  Of course some people don't read enough to judge for themselves and depend on their leaders to make the right decisions...if that's the case I hope you feel better about yourself.
Obama will give you your FDR speech...on January 20th.
Did Elizabeth Dole have a complete face lift, she looks so odd, so pulled and tight, like she could burst if not careful.
McChicken doesn't have the McNuggets to atack Obama personally to his face.
What a coward!!!
Chuck,

I have checked www.thatone08.com Mccain has given Obama another opportunity to increase his popularity.
Honestly, I’m surprised that McCain wants to go THERE. But, then, he’s repeatedly made the mistake of thinking that Americans don’t remember HIS past:

McCain has plenty of relationships with sixties radicals and terrorists. Indeed, until just a few years ago, McCain openly boasted not only about his passing friendship but also his deep collaboration with one of the most prominent of Vietnam-era student radicals, David Ifshin - who denounced America on Radio Hanoi as McCain sat locked up as a POW. Until the day he died, at age 47 in 1996, Ifshin never renounced nor apologized for his youthful, radical past. McCain said of Ifshin, "We worked together for our shared ideals."

And then there is Carl H. Lindner Jr., billionaire Cincinnati businessman, CEO of Chiquita Brands International from 1984 to 2001, and remained on the company’s board of directors until May 2002.As the co-host of a recent top-dollar fundraiser for Sen. John McCain, Lindner oversaw the payment of roughly $1.7 million to a Colombian paramilitary group that is today designated a terrorist organization by the United States. Chiquita executives paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC), which is described by George Washington University’s National Security Archive as an illegal right-wing anti-guerrilla group tied to many of the country’s most notorious civilian massacres."

Following a Justice Department indictment last year, Chiquita admitted to illegally funding the paramilitaries and agreed to pay a $25 million fine. Chiquita’s payments to the AUC began in 1997 and lasted seven years; roughly half of the funds came after the group was designated a Foreign Terrorist Organization by the U.S. State Department in 2001.

While Lindner was CEO of Chiquita, the company began sending money to the AUC through its shipping subsidiary Banadex. A report by the Organization of American States states that Banadex also engaged in arms trafficking, helping to deliver 3,000 Nicaraguan AK-47 rifles and millions of rounds of ammunition to the AUC in 2001. According to federal prosecutors, when company officials realized the arrangement was illegal, they switched to making the payments in cash.

According to the Justice Department, the payments "were reviewed and approved by senior executives" of Chiquita, who knew by no later than September 2000 "that the AUC was a violent, paramilitary organization." Late last week, Lindner co-hosted a $25,000-per-person fundraiser for McCain and the Republican Party in the wealthy Indian Hills neighborhood of Cincinnati, Ohio. The event raised about $2 million; Lindner also serves on McCain’s Ohio Victory Team. McCain has described FARC as "one of the worst" terrorist groups and accused his opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, of being unwilling to support Colombian President Uribe’s anti-terrorist efforts. The Arizona Republican is raising funds from a man whose company once paid that very same terrorist group.

And then, there’s G. Gordon Liddy - fundraiser/contributor for John McCain. Liddy, a self-professed admirer of Adolf Hitler and CONVICTED FELON for his part in the Watergate Scandal, is a long-time friend, says John McCain, who also said to Liddy, "I’m proud of you.":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGRvo6LWuaY

And don’t forget, there’s Charles Keating, CONVICTED FELON and mentor of John McCain -- who is the most damning relationship of all, given the eerily similar banking meltdown of the current economic crisis... McCain was censured in Congress for his role in the Savings and Loans scandals back in 1989-91 that cost taxpayers $500 BILLION to bailout... McCain claimed then to have learned his lesson, but apparently not.

I think Maureen Dowd said it best a couple of days ago: "Real Mavericks don’t brand themselves." She was speaking about Palin, but I think it applies to John McCain, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QIGJTHdH50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAyK-enrF1g
Hey, I'm sorry!!! This Palin broad is all hype. She gives a terrible speech- even when reading a teleprompter-. I aint sold on her skills at all. She has terrible delivery, and speaks like a 10th grade highschool girl coming into her own trying to find her way. She's a total idiot... The media has hyped her up big time... Yeah, people come out to see her, but only to witness first hand the 'Bush It' that comes out of her mouth...

I watched 'Morning Joe' this morning where Joe Scarborough said his elder mom went to see Palin in person, and that's the happiest she's EVER been... {I guess even happier than the day she gave birth to him... WOW!!!} Any wonder why his mental capacity is what it is???

And poor lil' Mika... I think she may have found her role model. This woman is actually inspired by Palin. I don't think I ever seen a woman on another woman's jock like she is...

Just making observations :)

NOW LET'S SEE IF THIS GETS POSTED...

OBAMA/BIDEN 08
McChicken doesn't have the McNuggets to attack Obama personally to his face.
What a coward!!!
The RCP averages on polls NEVER had kerry ahead of BUSH in NC in OCT.04-
The RCP now has Obama consistently ahead.
If you look at all of the states Bush was even a point ahead in according the RCP in October 04, he one 99% of them with the exception of WI which went to kerry- they totally called the race- almost to the point.
If RCP is correct this time Obama is very much going to win this.
Do you guys NOT go by the RCP polling averages because it makes it seem less of a horse race?
POLITICO is showing their averages- is the a good reason why you guys don't?

For still too many, King's dream is a nightmare. Will the dreamers prevail in North Carolina and across the country on November 4th, or will the "Southern Resistance" of our past once again determine our future?
Your Dad would be proud of you Luke!!  He loved this race so much !!  Keep up the good work.  Your Dad is always in my prayers!!
Lets just hope that Obama gets in as we need him and Biden!!
I will bet that on Monday McCAIN will be ahead
by 2 points and the market will be up by 1500 .
When McCAIN is ahead the markets responed .
Oh.... I get it, now McGramps  is aware  that people are tired of Sarah "N/A" Palin and now he needs a new voice to be heard in his campaign!

Well we know one thing for sure now,not only can Cindy talk but... Cindy is fluent in McCanish....

Sarah Palin should say some magic words, wink/blink, snap her fingers and disappear!

Just the Truth...
I keep seeing stories on these "moderate republicans" (who have really never been anything but democrats)who are going to vote for Obama. They are embarrased about Bush? Nonsense. President Bush has done much with which I disagree, but real republicans would never vote democrat.  
More from Winston Salem...I don't know if Obama can win state wide because there is still a lot of good old fashioned racism and cultural conservatism in many pockets...all of them in the poor part of the state
Has anyone in the media ever asked Obama about his  admitted cocaine use while in college????  Guess this makes him more an an authority on health care than does McCain, huh?  
Reuters/Zogby has the race at 2%, which probably means McCain with a 1-3% lead.  Eight years ago at this time Gore led by 11 pts.  For whatever reason, the liberal/Democrats lead in the polls just to have it vanish on election day.
Folks this thing is out of control. I just got a call from my mother who said my cousin in Ohio had killed his new born baby and wife then himself. She said , he wrote in his sucide letter that he could not face living in a counrty with Obama as President. That Obam's plan of a socialist government, and losing everything he owned was too much. That he would rather die than live under a Obama regime.
 This election has gone way too far on both sides. Both are just politicans saying what ever they can to get our votes, but some people like my cousin and a bunch of you are so frantic over this that it is costing us more than they are worth.
God give us all strenth in this time of greed.
If you only read what you want to read, you'll only hear what you want to hear.  Check out your candidate in sources other than MSNBC and CNN.
"the large number of transplants that have come from the Midwest and New England to live in the state for its favorable tax incentives"....Democrats against personal taxation?
"a rise in registration among younger voters and African Americans"....age and racial discrimination by Democrats?
I think the sky is falling.
Might someone please explain to me how a "values voter" would be voting for a man who began an affair with another woman while his wife was lying in a hospital bed recuperating from life-threatening injuries sustained in a car crash?  I don't understand how that voting mind-set works!
I can't believe McCain actually addressed a crowd today in Pennsylvania as follows:

"You and I together will confront the $10 trillion debt that the federal government has run up, and balance the federal budget by the end of my term in office. Across this country this is the agenda I've set before my fellow prisoners, and the same standards of clarity and candor must now be applied to my opponent. "


"My fellow prisoners" being the operative phrase...



Obama will win North Carolina: There is no doubt
I love reporters!  They criticize and complain about the negative mud slinging (which I also criticize), and then all day today they have complained about how boring the debate was last night!  

I agree that there were problems w/the format particularly in that neither candidate could possibly give satisfactory answers under the time constraints, but I did find it very imformative.  It was further evidence of Obama's steady attention and Presidential demeanor against McCain's high-strung performance and his pathetic attempts to get attention by making inappropriate jokes.

I would never trust a true townhall type debate, and I'm guessing that one or both campaigns would complain about plants and one-sided questions.
Luke

Take a drive around the Buena Vista neighbourhood - very near the WFU campus - you will see tons and tons of Obama signs in a classic old-rich neighbourhood!!! The Republican you talked to is right about moderate GOP or just moderate independent voters.
Freshman Senator Running our country. No thanks. Ask Obama when he was worn into office why he didn't place his hand on the Bible, instead he used the Koran.
"Did Elizabeth Dole have a complete face lift, she looks so odd, so pulled and tight, like she could burst if not careful"
Quick, whack her like a piñata, let's see what falls out!!!
If Obama had offering "soaring rhetoric" last night, they would have accused him of not being specific enought--and of being all beautiful words and no substance.  There are some voters who simply don't want Obama to win--even though they are disgusted with the Republican Party--they use every excuse to find a reason not to vote for him.  He was presidential last night and showed his deep understanding of the challenges facing us and how he would like to solve them--jobs, energy, health care and education.  Those who have ears to hear and eyes to see--did so.
I agree that this was a boring debate at a time when it should have been stimulating and informative. I have been strongly for Obama since he entered the race and have seen enough interviews and read Dreams From My Father, so I know he can be an excellent president. That said, I was deeply disappointed in his performance last night. There were so many opportunities for him to rise to the occasion and give substantial answers. He knows this stuff. He just chose not to say it in order to play it safe.
(Heck, even actually ANSWERING the question directly would be an improvement.)

We’re grownups. We know that some programs are going to have to wait due to the terrifying turn the economy has taken. How would he prioritize…and why? Lead us. Help us understand. This is not a time for platitudes and regurgitations of his standard speeches. This is a time inspiration and leadership – something that we know he is capable of. He just chose to "do no damage."

By the same token, McCain lost a great opportunity. He’s behind in the polls and is known for “shooting from the hip” (Can you say “Palin”). So really, he had nothing to lose. But he played it safe as well when he could have grabbed this opportunity to suddenly leap ahead by showing leadership and saying what we all know:
The economy is in deep trouble. Just how much remains to be seen. But we do know that people are going to lose much (if not all) of their retirement, jobs, and quality of life. The “angry” Mac could have given voice to our outrage and fears – and then given us at least some hope and comfort. Some inspiration.

In short, this was a time for one or both to rise to the occasion of leadership – and both let us down.
I understand caution. I was just hoping for more. Maybe in the final debate.
But I doubt it.
I live in Raleigh and would be shocked if the state went for Obama - conservative values run deep here - Obama's voting record in Illinois and in the Senate is a very liberal record: fact. He claims he will cooperate and bring the nation together, but he has no record of doing this - just the opposite, voting 97% on party lines: fact. McCain votes 90% on party lines but the other 10% has been on significant efforts of bipartisanship. His name has been on several bills with Democrats (McCain Feingold, McCain Kenedy, McCain Leiberman) - He was a partner with democrats to try and work out a solution when they had a stalemate regarding the approval of judges - Obama would not join the effort and has no legislation - even with Democrats: fact.
I live in Raleigh and would be shocked if the state went for Obama - conservative values run deep here - Obama's voting record in Illinois and in the Senate is a very liberal record: fact. He claims he will cooperate and bring the nation together, but he has no record of doing this - just the opposite, voting 97% on party lines: fact. McCain votes 90% on party lines but the other 10% has been on significant efforts of bipartisanship. His name has been on several bills with Democrats (McCain Feingold, McCain Kenedy, McCain Leiberman) - He was a partner with democrats to try and work out a solution when they had a stalemate regarding the approval of judges - Obama would not join the effort and has no legislation - even with Democrats: fact.
Obama will win big in the Raleigh-Durham area, he will also win big in Greensboro, Charlotte.  The push to register African American voters was huge!!!  I think there's a huge underestimation at the African American turnout as well.
Come on, tar heels, do what you know is right. Vote for Obama/Biden
I'm afraid words fail me as to how I feel about this despicable campaign of McCain...Mr Honorable..Mr No Sleaze, just a sad day for America if McPalin the two guttersnipes get elected.
I have faith in Barack Obama....he is a very special man, the country needs him and his vision for the future.
Only sensible vote can be for OBAMA/BIDEN 08
Okay, after last night, I am going to vote for Obama- He made more sense to me than John McCain (who I thought I was going to vote for).


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