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Obama: Those Illinois Senate days

Posted: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:06 AM by Carrie Dann

The Washington Post profiles Obama’s days in the Illinois state Senate. “Just as he had before -- as an American child who moved to Indonesia, an Ivy League graduate who worked in housing projects on Chicago's South Side and a black student who enrolled at Harvard Law School -- Obama arrived in Springfield with limited knowledge of his environment and few friends to guide him. He left eight years later with the legislative accomplishments, political savvy and network of allies needed to win a seat in the United States Senate.” Obama declined to be interviewed for this, but conversations with more than a dozen friends and colleagues portray his time in Springfield as a political baptism performed at warp speed, engineered by Obama's vast self-confidence and ambition.”

”His legislative record in the state Senate showed promise, but it was fraught with 129 ‘Present’ votes, watered-down bills and a dearth of significant accomplishments -- shortcomings that hardly affected his success. With an eye toward the future, Obama decided to befriend everyone in Springfield who could help him get where he wanted to go. And that included the two men who mercilessly hazed him: Hendon and Trotter.”

Chicago Sun-Times' Lynn Sweet asks the "when did he know Ayers” question. "So the question is--I'm just curious and I wonder about this as one who has defended Obama's association with Ayers, the education expert (not Ayers, the terrorist)---when did Obama finally learn about the Weather Underground background of Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn? As a young reporter working in Chicago, I was well aware of the Weather Underground couple on the lam from the law; Ayers father ran the local electrical utility company and was a big shot in the city. But this was years before Obama came to Chicago. As a rookie at the Sun-Times I tried to find Ayers and Dohrn working some connections, but nothing ever panned out and eventually they surrendered in Chicago in 1981.”

“I asked Obama chief strategist David Axelrod on Tuesday afternoon here when and how Obama learned about Ayers and Dohrn and their days with the violent radical 1960s group. Axelrod offered no details and needed to move on to his next interview, since he was in high demand in the media filing center at Belmont University, where the second presidential debate will be held between Obama and John McCain."

By the way, did Biden really get 5,000 for a rally in Naples? Really? That's big if Biden campaigning alone can start getting bigger crowds than McCain gets when he campaigns solo.

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By the way, did Biden really get 5,000 for a rally in Naples?
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Go Joe!  You can do it!

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You people act like it was just Obama and Ayres sitting in a dark, smoke filled room while working on a board to help education.

There were many people on the board... conservative republicans also.

This was NOT his board... he did not appoint the board members, and it is not like the board met every week.

GEEZZZZZZ...

Get back on the real issues mccain!

What about Palins own HUSBAND AND HIS AFFILIATION with the radical AIP group that hates the United States and wants seperation for Alaska.

What about that, if you are going to go there...






MSNBC SUCKS,OBAMA CAN NOT EVEN PROCUCE THE REALLLL THING A BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND THE NEWS DOES NOT EVEN REPORT ABOUT THE FEDERAL LAW SUIT.
MEDIA DO YOU REALLY KNOW WHO OBAMA IS, THE MEDIA HAS NEVER INVESTIGATED OBAMA FOR NOTHING.
IF OBAMA WAS TO WIN AND THE NEWS MEDIA HAS BEEN HIDING EVERYTHING ABOUT OBAMA, I AM SURE YOU ALL IN THE END WILL NOT HAVE JOBS.
BIAS MEDIA IS GOING TO BE LIKE WALL STREET, WHEN YOU DON'T DO YOUR JOBS AND YOUR RATINGS ARE IN THE TOILET,  I KNOW MSNBC AND NBC ARE, YOU WILL BE THE BIG LOSERSSSSSSSS.
I WOULD BE ASHAME TO CALL MY SELF A JOURNALIST OVER THERE AT MSNBC. I THINK YOU ALL FORGOT WHAT YOUR JOBS DESCRITION IS, IT IS NOT TO GET OBAMA THE ANTI AMERICAN RACIST, THAT HANGS OUT WITH TERROIST ELECTED.
SHAME ON ALL OF YOU.I USE TO WATCH, I HAVEN'T WATCH YOUR BIAS NEWS IN A LONG TIME AND WILL NEVER WATCH.


WHO IS BARACK OBAMA??????  she asks...

A person that's been vetted like no one else in American politics for over 20 months straight.

Who is this palin couple, is what the public needs to ask.  She has been on the national scene for 5 weeks with a new fiasco out every other day...  the baby is not hers, but is her daughters, her daughter is pregnant again, not by the guy they are going to make marry her, but an African American young man, Troopergate, the AFFAIR with one of her husbands business associates, her oldest son has been in trouble with drugs and had no other option but to join the army, her witch doctor preacher, etc...

SO I ASK... WHO THE HECK ARE THEY?!?!?!

And how dare she just pop on the scene trying to question Obama as she is doing!  We know more about Obama's daughters than we do about the Palins.

So now the obama camp is dodging his association with Ayers nest will it be ACORN they try to dodge ?
The small minded crowd is trying to make a big deal about the 129 present votes that Obama made while ignoring the thousands of yes/no votes he cast.  I'm a bit peeved at Carrie Dann for not providing that most important piece of truth in this article.

Time to get over the Ayers garbage.  When Barack first met him Ayers was a respected college professor and Ayers has done much to rehabilitate his despicable past.  Time to focus on who Ayers is now not back in the 60's.

Go Obama/Biden 08/12!
When will someone from First Read be bonest and put this garbage with Ayers to rest! When Obama worked with Ayers it was on Education and his qualitfications were well regarded and well known in Chicago. Several politicians and civic leaders from all sides of the political spectrum have worked with Ayers. Does it matter when Obama knew about Ayers past associations? Is it fair to try to box Obama in on his memory going back 14 years? Does anyone truly believe that Obama shares Ayers radical views? All this is is guilt by association and that is despicable. Like it or not this page is a party to promoting this garbage.
129 present votes are = to 3% of his total votes....

Not really a game changer
Did the Washington Post name the "accomplishments" Obama had in the Senate? Thought not, because they're aren't any. Unless you count Obama helping to make Illinois the most corrupt state in the union an "accomplsihment", then yes, he had a hand in that.
Did the Washington Post name the "accomplishments" Obama had in the Senate? Thought not, because they're aren't any. Unless you count Obama helping to make Illinois the most corrupt state in the union an "accomplsihment", then yes, he had a hand in that.
Obama had comments about his state senate days from 'more than a dozen friends and colleagues'? Gee, why not just ask Axelrod or Howard Dean for the comments? How hard and brave is to vote Present day in and day out? How hard is it to raise taxes when you represent the most liberal district on the state? How hard is it to oppose the war when you represent the most liberal district in the state? Obama has been a phony all his life.
now do a thorough report on the Palins tied to radical seccession group in Alaska....be fair
Friends and colleagues portray John McCain as the best Senator of all time. So what's the point of the Post's story on Obama?
Why should this such a surprise, First Read, that Biden can get bigger crowds than McFossil? The only reason people shiow up is to see Circus Clown Palin; didn't you just report that people actually began LEAVING the rally after McCain took the stage? That should tell the old man something. Until he starts talking about the economy and what he PLANS to do about it, people will continue to walk away from him. Doesn't bode well for Nov, now does it?  Obama/Biden '08/'12
Carrie - why do you keep putting the Ayer's name in most of your articles?

Who gives a hoot about this guy and why do you media folks keep trying to shove it down our throats.

Get this - NO BODY CARES ABOUT AYERS AND WE ARE TRIED OF HEARING ABOUT IT.

And if you want to talk about something relevant to our times – how about John McCain’s Keating association.

Lastly, Mentioning Ayers as often as you can - will not change a damn thing for John McCain - he will lose.

Thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA
A lot of citizens protest war in the 60's; Although not a direct answer to the question as to when Obama learned of Ayers PAST is and should not be a factor some 40 years later--the question should be what has Ayers done lately.  Not if Obama knew and when--is McCain trying to say even members on his own campaign trail OKAY to rub shoulders with Ayers--but Obama is to be questioned.  I would hate to think that there are people in this world that glow on the negative other than to simply say they would have any reason not to vote for a black.
No one wil ever find out exactly when Obama learned of Ayers' and Dorn's backgrounds, because he won't answer the question.  And the media will let him get away with it, because he is a Democrat.  If he were a Republican, however. . .
Those Illinois Senate days for Obama? Did any of the  friends and colleagues interviewed bring up how Obama snuck around digging up dirt on his oppoents to get them off the ballot? Just ask Jack Ryan what he thinks about Obama's tactics.
First Read, your bias toward Obama really sucks. Are you getting paid by ACORN to bring in voters???
Nice that the Wash Post is doing unbiased and critical reporting on the candidates. What's next, a three page spread about how wonderful Obama is from his wifes point of view? Even Fox digs just a tad deeper into the story to at least have a small amount of an opposing view.
The question of Obama's substantive achievements in the Illinois Senate, his knowledge of Ayers' past, etc COULD be relevant if the stock market had not lost a few trillion bucks in the past few weeks.  But right now, people have seen enough from Obama and McCain to know only one guy provides any new blood in DC to fix this mess and bring back the middle class to relevance.  Wrong year for a Rove playobook in the last few weeks, period.
Biden is a Rock Star to me.  I will tell you why he is....because Biden comes across as a regular guy.  Biden is who I wanted on top of the ticket over Hillary even way back when there were 8 people on stage.  I am so happy Biden is drawing 5,000 in Naples. I lived on that side of Florida and I can tell all of you....It is GOP Country over there!!!
Since the McCain campaign and the MSM refuse to let the Ayers story die a natural death why doesn't someone (McCain for instance) have to nerve to ask Obama, straight up, "are you a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer?"

That intelligent people (MSM)insist on linking Obama to Ayers during his terrorist days is so frustrating to thinking individuals.

If Obama is to be held accountable for Ayers' behavior then why aren't  the Annenburgs (good Republicans)? Afterall, it was their foundation that brought these two individuals together.

This is pure unadulterated nonsense! Hours and hours of air time and new web videos trying to make Obama a terrorist because he worked with someone who was a PITA in the 60's (Barack was 8 yrs. old) and very mainstream when they met in the 90's. Using tat rationale, everyone who has ever worked with Ayers is either a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer and they all should go directly to Gitmo.

Puleeze!!
I am from the Vietnam era, I was against the Weathermen, the flower children, Minutemen, and all of the kids who were protsting against the war. But guess what, they stopped the war!!!! How many children today are alive becase they stopped that war? If we had protests today, Mr. Bush would bring in Blackwater and all of his cronies and, and we would all be tagged "terrorists". Before these people go pointing a finger at Barack and what a man did when Barack was 8, repeat EIGHT, years old, they had better start looking at what John McCain has done just in his last, say 25 years. Mr Ayes is a professor, at a university, which means that somewhere along the line he too has changed his mind about this government. PLUS, if he had been charged, and we all know that this government does their damnest to try to make charges stick, including lying and making up evidence, that he would have a felony charge on his record and would not be allowed to hold this office. I would trust Mr. Ayers ten times over trusting John McCain, or double that over George Bush when push come to shove. Yes, I am American, I love my country, I am sick over what my country has done, and it will take us years to get his country back. Read your history, and see what President Eisenhower told us.
Too bad the "old guy" is throwing stones and inciting right-wingers who used to be the silent majority to hatred.  So much for good Christian values.  Evangelicals should be shaking with mortification that their guy is so desperate to turn to lies and distortions.  I'll take Obama, who was 8 years old during the Vietnam war when Ayers was a terrorist and who now has the support of one of McCain's endorsers (Annenbergs)than a lying old guy who puts his campaign first and country second by whipping up hatred.  It will backfire!  Obama/Biden 08.
be sure to go to the Lynn Sweet site for the complete article where Axelrod says he understands Obama didn't know who Ayres was re:Underground when he met him.  FR, this article wasn't edited to present the heart of the story.  what's up ?  I thought I could count on you.
be sure to go to the Lynn Sweet site for the complete article where Axelrod says he understands Obama didn't know who Ayres was re:Underground when he met him.  FR, this article wasn't edited to present the heart of the story.  what's up ?  I thought I could count on you.
Mr.O. will say anything, use anyone..He didn't know this, he didn't know that...He is so good and christ like or is that Kennedy like..no wait I mean Martin.either one. He sends quivers up my leg (not a homophobic statement)
Hey with Ayers that makes too who say "GOD DAME AMERICA" Oh that right the great one never heard that..
Yes he did get 5,000 people at FGCU in Fort Myers, Florida which is just North of Naples! I was there and the event was an awesome display of the passion Americans feel to make change in Washington. This was a record breaking event in the area. No other Democrat in history has held an event of this size in Southwest Florida. Florida has turned purple, and on November 4th will go blue!
This is kind of a disjointed piece.
Consider this...A man is a member of a radical terrorist organization.  He perpetrates a lot of horrible acts because of his beliefs regarding the war in Vietnam.

Flash forward 35 years...You are an upstanding citizen.  There is a couple who lives in your neighborhood.  He coaches your son's little league team.  Together you are on the PTA board.  You see each other at baseball games and PTA meetings.  Do you have any reason to suspect this man is the same person who was a terrorist in his youth?  


Read the truth about the Palin's terrorist ties with Iran then watch the video - this is a bombshell compared to Obama's activities as an 8 year-old child!

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/07/palins_unamerican
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eniG9l_7its

B.S.Obama Lied Duh hes acrooked immoral communist  pretending to be Democrat. Can you trust Him? What about his college grades,friends ,connections to Kenyas polictics and how he provided  photo opps to in a elections in which resulted in 1000 poeple died  mostly Christian burned alive in there church by moslems. He also admited  to advising and taking calls
Yes, Biden did get that many in attendance.  Several news accounts report that Alico Arena was "filled" and it holds 4,500  (plus some more on the floor of the arena, I'd imagine).   Strange as it seems, Biden was actually "introducing" himself to many people at the VP debate ...... and it looks like they liked the person they saw!   (With good reason, I should add.)
I know, I'd go see Joe at a rally, if he came here to Oregon, but I wouldn't go see McCain, he does not stand for anything I or the majority of americans stand for.  Joe seems like a very down to earth, nice guy, but McCain seems like a grumpy ole man that thinks this presidency is owed to him, and he is mad he is not winning.  McCain is very confusing, all over the place, and you have know Idea what he stands for, he switches on issues, so often, that its hard to keep up with.  I do not want someone with McCain's temperment in the whitehouse, and Palin, well what can I say, she just doesn't cut it, she is out of her league, but so is John McCain.  They both Scare me.

With the economic issues we have in this country, at this moment, Senator Obama and Biden are whats best for this country, they bring intelligence with them, and in my eyes, are whats best for this Country, that Bush and McCain have destroyed.  
This just came out, oh my goodness.  

presidential nominee John McCain has past connections to a private group that supplied aid to guerrillas seeking to overthrow the leftist government of Nicaragua in the Iran-Contra affair.

McCain's ties are facing renewed scrutiny after his campaign criticized Barack Obama for his link to a former radical who engaged in violent acts 40 years ago.

The U.S. Council for World Freedom was part of an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. The group was dedicated to stamping out communism around the globe.

The council's founder, retired Army Maj. Gen. John Singlaub, said McCain became associated with the organization in the early 1980s as McCain was launching his political career in Arizona. Singlaub said McCain was a supporter but not an active member in the group.

"McCain was a new guy on the block learning the ropes," Singlaub told The Associated Press in an interview. "I think I met him in the Washington area when he was just a new congressman. We had McCain on the board to make him feel like he wasn't left out. It looks good to have names on a letterhead who are well-known and appreciated.
Incredible how this guy gets away with this stuff. Reminds me of Clinton.

Poor Hussein. The love affair will wear off about a year to year and a half, then they'll turn on him like they've done with all the others.

He won't care, he'll be president, but what about us?

Don't we deserve to know now? before we make our choice?

I don't know who Ayers is or what the big deal is about him. Did he go to jail for the things he did? Did he make restitution? What connection does he have to Hussein?

I want to know before Nov. 4th, please.
The important thing to note at least in my book is that Ayers is reformed and had in fact surrendered and joined society and contributed to it tremendously. His cause then was good in the sense that he was against the war although the means he showed that was unacceptable to say the least. But he wasn't proven guilty, he is a respected Professor in a refutable University. He is not in hiding. There is a big chance that Obama wasn't aware of his past when they met as he was rather new to the Chicago scene.

I am more bothered by Palin's husband associating himself with secessionist. And that is very recent. Sarah as Governor obviously condoned it by attending their gatherings. I don't know if McCain was fully aware of this when he picked her. But to throw a stone at Obama for apparently associating with someone like Ayers, he better make sure there are no skeletons in her closet as well that could be even more damaging.

I think unless you live in some cave, everyone is fully aware of the distortion here. It's a question of how many actually willed themselves to believe it.

McCain's campaign is treating Americans as if we have no brain and judgement to see through the facade. That's an insult as much as Palin's selection was into this race.


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