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McCain supporters rail against Obama

Posted: Thursday, October 09, 2008 4:28 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC/NJ's Adam Aigner-Treworgy
MOSINEE, Wisc. -- After this afternoon’s town hall the McCain campaign might be satisfied that their recent attacks on Obama are starting to seep into the public consciousness, or at least the consciousness of conservative voters in Waukesha.

At the campaign’s second joint town hall event featuring both McCain and his running mate, several McCain talking points were echoed back to the candidates by questioners including Obama’s “shady” associations, which were brought up twice by members of the audience.

One questioner railed against “the socialists taking over our country” who he later identified as “Obama, Pelosi and the rest of the hooligans” in Congress’ Democratic majority, and an Iraq War veteran in the audience even brought up Obama’s comments about troops in Afghanistan “killing civilians” that are often used as an attack line by McCain.

“We’re all wondering why that Obama is where he’s at, how he got here,” one questioner asked McCain. “I mean everybody in this room is stunned that we’re in this position. We are all a product of our associations, is there not a way to get around this media and line up the people that he has hung with?”

This question prompted McCain to address Obama’s relationship with Bill Ayers for the first time on the campaign trail, although he avoided using his name and instead focused his attack on “whether Sen. Obama is telling the truth to the American people or not.”

“With your help and the people in this room, we will find out just as Sen. Clinton said in the primary that we should find out about this association,” McCain said. “Look, we don’t care about an old, washed up terrorist and his wife who still, at least on Sept. 11, 2001 said he still wanted to bomb more, that’s not the point here. The point is Sen. Obama said he was just a guy in the neighborhood. We know that’s not true. We need to know the full extent of the relationship.”

A local African-American conservative talk radio host named James T. Harris also brought up what he called Obama’s “soft spot,” which he said included “ACORN,” “the good Rev.Wright,” and other “shady characters that have surrounded him.”

“I am begging you, sir," Harris said. "I am begging you. Take it to him.”

Earlier in the event, several attendees in the balcony of the local sports complex were yelling “ACORN” so loudly that McCain was compelled to address it.

“Now, let me just say to you, there are serious allegations of voter fraud in the battleground states across America," McCain said. "They must be investigated and no one should corrupt the most precious right we have, and that is the right to vote.

"My friends, you’ve seen, you’ve seen the allegations, the multiple registrations under the same name, the more registered voters than the population. You’ve seen these are serious allegations, my friends, and they must be investigated, and they must be investigated immediately, and they must stopped before November, the 4th, so Americans will not, will not be deprived of a fair process in this election. Thank you.”

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When I read this comments from those at the rally I don't know whether I want to laugh or cry.
Where are the 527 groups and the Democratic party?  Where is the Obama campaign?  When are you going to start fighting back? And yes, I mean fighting back just like they are!  Let's start plastering the news with Todd Palin and his secessionist group and Sarah Palin's speech to them, saying good work!  Let's start talking more about McCain and all the unsavory people he's been linked with.  Enough with trying to this the RIGHT way!!!  FIGHT BACK for pete's sake!  I am sick of hearing the media lump them both together saying they are both running negative campaigns when you can't even compare the two!  Well, as my mother used to say, "If you get the name, you play the game!"  So come on Obama supporters, start playing dirty!  Obviously, the media isn't going to do their jobs, so it's time we did it for them!
Looks like attacks on McCain by the rapid liberal dogs on these blogs is starting to seep into the public consciousness. If it's any indication, some of the leftist liberals nitwits you read here bear to be closely watched my someone other then their mommies.
These people are effing insane!
"Deprived of a fair process in this election"

How utterly rich and hypocritical! If it wasn't so sad and scary, it would be funny. Yeah, the *Democrats* are depriving the Republicans the right to vote. You wonder if McCain would be saying this if he was losing. My guess not; he has no honor left.
I am appalled that there are such ignorant people in this country although I guess it's the principle of democracy that you need not have a brain. I can understand conservatives not wanting to vote for Obama's more liberal agenda but I cannot understand those who sink that low. And it's even more frightening in John McCain, a man who served this country honorably and is now throwing it away to pander to such creatures.
Liberals were put here for us to spite them.
I guess the Maverick, Joe Six Pack, and the pitbull lipstick gimmick is not working. Out of Ideas huh??
I watched it. It was weird, creepy, misguided and sad. One thing for sure, the audience is mostly cut from the same mold - all poisoned by FauxNews insular ideology. The audience isn't very diverse and they seem to feed happily on negativity.)

anyway...

Apparently when asked, McSlander doesn't seem to support the Hate Crime bill. It sounds as though he views it as unnecessary. Given the tone of his campaign and the tenor of his crowds I thought it a really strange question and curious response.

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Palin palling around with secessionists!!!

Here is a devastating video demonstrating Palin's CLEAR ASSOCIATION with the AIP. This is not Todd Palin speaking but Sarah Palin herself!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eniG9l_7its

Watch it and pass it on to friends and journalists!

Do they realize the stock market dropped 675 points today? Do they even care?? It doesn't seem like it.



Obama/Biden '08
MSNBC=McCain Should Never Be Challenged.
>>>“Now, let me just say to you, there are serious allegations of voter fraud in the battleground states across America," McCain said. "They must be investigated and no one should corrupt the most precious right we have, and that is the right to vote.
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This is their call to action.  You know what they're going to do next, "PURGE, BABY, PURGE".  Consider this a prelude to stealing yet another election.  Don't let this happen.  CONFIRM YOUR VOTER REGISTRATION!

Obama/Biden '08!
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Incredulous! Are these people "real"? They make absoultely NO sense - If this wasn't about Electing our next President, I would say they are a joke -
And, worse of all is McCain And Palin for actually talking about it and standing by and saying nothing.
See you next month when WE Americans WILL speak.
These people are a crazed lynch mob and nothing more.  If this is way McCain wants to win, I wonder if he even knows who he is anymore.  And ACORN?  Obama has zilch to do with ACORN and never has.  But he's black and has a funny name so he can be accused of anything... Sometimes I really wonder if we're worth all this trouble.
Stating that Obama is a raging lunatic liberal is fair game. He's going to have to be a good boy and get used to it if we are so unfortunate to have him win next month.
Is it me, or are McCain/ Palin rallies turning into modern day versions of "the 2 minutes hate" from "Nineteen Eighty Four"?

what drives his base, drives independents away. by all means, bring it up in the debates and watch your 11 point hole grow to 15 points. this election is about hate vs. hope. i mean, are these people involved in some other economy that's doing well?
This is getting really scary! ACORN let's homeless people know that they can register and vote! How about talking about the voter rolls that are being ILLEGALLY PURGE MCCAIN??? ALL YOU ARE DOING IS MAKING PEOPLE HATE EACH OTHER! WHY THE HELL SHOULD ANYONE VOTE FOR YOU?? TELL US THAT!
To me this kind of spouting off is a type of terrorism. It's inducing hatred and McCain should be ashamed of himself.  He is killing his legacy.
I DO care about a washed up old terrorist and I do care about what Dodd, Frank, Reid, Pelosi, Schumer and others have done to this country.  I am outraged that ACORN is continuing to operate and there are probably hundreds of people casting illegal votes as I'm typing this message.  I'm mad as hell and I also want McCain to take it to Obama Tuesday night.  Face-to-face just like Obama wants it.
Where will your honor lie, once this election is over?
Time to bring out ALL of McCain's dirty dealings.  Get them out there and fight fire with fire.  It's been reported that 100% of McCain's ads are negative.  Then Cindy has the nerve to say Obama has the negative campaign?!?  Let's just all suspend reality and go along with the program.  Right?
Voter: Senator McCain it is such an honor to be here with both of you this morning. I am a realtor, witnessing first hand the effect the mortgage crisis has had on many people’s lives. Will you assure us, that as president, you will take immediate action to investigate, prosecute, and names the names of the people actually responsible [crowd goes crazy].

McCain: I will. And it is already a matter of record, that members, Democrat members of Congress, fought against reform, and it’s a matter of record in hearings that they said in hearings that everything was fine. Senator Obama said a year ago that these kinds of sub-prime loans were quote fine with him. And the fact is, that the same people that are now claiming credit for this rescue are the same ones that were willing co-conspirators in causing the problem that it is [crowd goes crazy]. And you know their names. And you will know more of their names - Congressman Barney Frank and Senator Chris Dodd [Booo] are two of them.
These folks that spew back the talking points are dangerous.  Do they ever look into the facts or understand logic?  What about the voter suppression from republicans - trying to eliminate those who've been evicted from their homes in MI.  What about the guilt by association of McCain/Palin - Alaskan separatists, Rev. Hagee, Iran Contra / Nazi sympathizers, Keating.. This is ridiculous and for small minds. I wish the press would report on both sides of this so the public could better see how ludicrous this is!!! The economy is going into the ground and this is their answer!!!!
So let me get this straight...

The war is Obama's fault.
The economic crisis is Obama's fault.
Voter Fraud is Obama's fault.
Katrina is Obama's fault.
9/11 is Obama's fault.
The Holocaust is Obama's fault.
Palin's lies is Obama's fault.

It's pretty clear to me now....McCain is a raging lunatic!


The McCain campaign is continuing to incite its supporters to commit a heinous crime.  Surely this must be against the law.  I am becoming very afraid for Barack Obama's safety.  I can only hope that the Secret Service is aware of the threat the McCain campaign's rhetoric is whipping up among its base. Someone needs to do something about this before something dreadful happens.  McCain and Palin should be deeply ashamed of themselves.
By McCain's own logic, he is just as guilty as Obama by his associations with people like Robert Byrd, a member of the domestic terrorist group the KKK, or his friendship with people who supported a domestic terrorist who shoots doctors and plants bombs at abortion clinics.  

How about the convicted felon that Rick Davis and McCain met with on his yacht in italy for his last birthday?  How about his campaign staff being lobbyists for FM/FM, oil companies, and other countries?

So POW songbird McCain, drop the BS character attacks and tell the american people how you will solve the economy's problems, finish the war in Iraq, kill Osama bin Laden, and restore America's standing in the world when few share your worldview in the world community?

that is what we want to hear, except for your hate filled mobs shouting terroristic threats at the other candidate for President of the United States.  You and your trophy VP should be ashamed for inflaming the racial hatred in this country.

and don't give me the BS that you aren't, because you conducted a poll in February that was asking the GOP base how racist you could take a campaign against Barack Obama.  

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Oh now people are concern about how a black man got to become the Democratic Presidential Nominee?

And now think he couldn't have done it himself and it had to be with people he associated with...

SO, I wondered how long time politicians like - Strom Thurman, David Duke, and hundreds of other politicians got were they were in the political arena.

I'll tell you - by their KKK brethren.

These racist bastards - just can't accept that a man of color is intelligent, strong welled, and determined to be successful in life.

John McCain need to put a stop and stop fueling  this non - sense..

I mean it's not like he's an immortal.

Thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA

Sen. McCain you truly have disappointed me and the tens of thousand of Independents in this country. We needed leadership from you and you gave us gimmicks. Palin is a gimmick, she is totally unqualified. Suspending your campaign was a gimmick. Saying the "Economy was fundamentally strong" is the same old line George Bush was saying back in February and June... you both were wrong...

Independents are not interested in Ayers, nor your involvement with Charles Keating, or Palin's witch doctor pastor problems" We needed leadership and solutions and all you have given us is meaningless character attacks and smears..

You have lost my respect, You lost my vote... You failed to deliver what America needed... You betrayed us...
Americans are petrified of Obama and for good reason. We need McCain's experience,leadership and his love of democratic principles.  Obama will take us down the road of socialism and economic ruin.  
Mccain is an insult to America. Mccain offers no hope, but hate.
This man is just getting more wacked out by the second. He is starting to scare me.
Joe Six Pack says, " We are all a product of our associations." Curious statement from a curious product.
I pray to god these disgusting excuses for Americans have to live w/ an administration they despise for the next 8 years like most of us did under Bush.
no FR , that was just a good old fashion KLAN rally !!!
Having watched the campaign cycle since the early primaries, I can't help asking "what are these people talking about?" This has been one of the most talented fields of candidates on both sides, and the most hotly contested in some time. Neither of the candidates for national office snuck up on anybody, they both slogged through a long campaign season. Nor has anyone other than the Newbee Gov. Palin been unvetted. Both McCain and Obama have been vetted ad nauseum. The only "discovery" issue left would be Gov. Palin who was introduced a few weeks ago and has yet to have even one open press conference. Finally, anybody watching would have to admit that the presidential campaign has not been gentle. Both sides have played hard. So the anger that is reflected here is a bit mystifying. Are they mad at Obama because he's ahead? This is similar to the anger shown by Sen. Clinton's supporters at the end of the Democratic primaries.

So... my question is - when did our politics come down to this anger in the losing sides?
I find it nothing but karmic irony in how the more McCain and his hate/fearmongering surrogates and supporters lose their grip on "Christian" sanity that the headlines of our media ravaged culture continue to scream day-after-day that which McCain can't shut down, run from or denounce...our economy is going down the toilet. Questioning Obama's "ties" to anything is beyond irrelevant especially when that same mirror can be held up to McCain with no lily white hands of purity to reflected back as our very foundation of life has become a global crisis and disgrace is all the wake up call anyone should need or be looking for at this moment in time.
Do they realize the stock market dropped 675 points today? Do they even care?? It doesn't seem like it.



Obama/Biden '08
Wow.  This is kind of scary.  It seems like he is trying to instigate an actual riot.

We are NOT a product of our associations.  Whoever believes that has no integrity.  I'm pretty sure McCain misquoted Ayers when he said "he still wanted to bomb more".  when I heard that last Spring, I interpreted it mean that Ayers had wished the Weather Underground had acheived more in the early 70's when they are active.

Maybe some of the republicans who also served on these boards with Ayers should show some integrity and speak up.

The press is playing right into McCain's hands in giving attention to this.  He's playing them like a piano!
Democrats are trying to steal another election. ACORN, Obama's pet organization, got caught with their dirty smelly little claw hand in the cookie jar, registering people to vote that don't exist. You can get away with calling Barney Frank 'Dairy Queen', but that doesn't work on the voter rolls.
Are you kidding me???  This was nothing more than a set-up by the McCain/Palin KKKampaign.  DESPICABLE!

OBAMA/BIDEN,2008!
Is that a McCain rally or a hate rally?
The dow is down again people are losing their savings for retirement and McCain wants to talk about Obama's character.  Trust me most American's can care less they are worried about their well being how they are going to pay their bills, keep their homes.  Senator McCain "It's the economy, stupid"
Nice,

So the GOP is trying to set up another "Close Election."  Wouldn't surprise me one bit.  John McCain is a Disgrace to our country and to the uniform he once wore.  Palin is a pathetic excuse of a woman and a COMMIE in lipstick, Red truly is her best color.  The both FAIL on all levels.
John McCain, you are a disgrace to America and all that we represent.  Starting with your choice of a DIVISIVE RIGHT WING REPUBLICAN NUT, SARAH PALIN, to your race-baiting, riot induced rallys.  What "honor".  You are an angry old man, period.  The presidency is not "yours" because you were a prisioner of war.  Sarah Palin is certainly not qualified and you are 72 years old with obvious "issues".  Stop lying to yourself and regain some dignity, if you can. I need a job and health care; I could care less about Ayers, Wright, ANYBODY.  "IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID".  
Hey, McCain.  Let's bring this up to Obama's face.  If you believe it so strongly, stand by it.
Wow... these repugnant attacks are getting expensive.

Another $25 in honor of the guy who called Obama a "socialist taking over our country".

This has got to be the sleaziest campaign in history. I'm done with you McCain. You were once an honorable man.

No more. You've gone too far. You have now and forevermore lost any claim to any word that includes 'honor'.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/outreach/view/main/RodneyHopper
Its really dispicable that McCain has sunk to such lows. McCain and Palin seem intent on inciting rage in their base that is baseless. It is dangerous to be so naive, to fuel a fear among ignorant people. When people start yelling out 'kill him' and 'terrorist' at your rallies - you have to acknowledge that you have crossed a line. If any of your devoted supporters act on the fear and anger that you have promoted and incited, it will be on your hands McCain. Biden was correct when he said that you are taking the lowest road to the highest office. Shame on you.
McCain is obviously appealing to the nutwings of society.  He is out of touch, out of his mind, and luckily will be out of the race for the White House on November 5 when he is reeling from solid defeat by Barak Obama!!!What about McCain's associations with the nut who shot an abortion doctor in Washington state?  What about Palin's associations with a sececionist group in Alaska? What about McCain's associations with Pastor John Hagee? What about McCain's associations with Keating? What about McCain's associations with lobbyist? What about McCain's associations with the antiabortionist nut who shot a doctor who performed an abortion and the sentencing judge labeled her a terrorist?  The hypocrisy of these people boggles imagination.  They are the worst charletons on this side of creation.  The most comforting part is that they will loose by a landslide on election day because the American people are too smart to be duped by lies and the politics of fear.


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