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Palin tries to shift talk to abortion

Posted: Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:26 PM by Domenico Montanaro



From NBC/NJ’s Matthew Berger
JOHNSTOWN, Pa. -- Palin tried to shift the focus to abortion Saturday, accusing Obama of “unconditional support for unlimited abortions” and opposing a ban on so-called “partial birth abortions.”

“Most troubling though, most troubling even, is that as a state senator, Barack Obama wouldn’t even stand up for the rights of infants born alive during an abortion,” she said. “These infants, often babies with special needs, they’re simply left to die.”

Palin spoke of the culture of life for 10 minutes at the Cambria County War Memorial Arena Saturday, and spoke at length of her own experiences with son Trig, born earlier this year with Down syndrome.

“Every child is beautiful before God and dear to him for their own sake, and as for our beautiful baby boy, for Todd and for me, he’s only more precious because he is vulnerable,” Palin said. “And in some ways, you know I think that we stand to learn more from him than he does from us.”

She then pivoted toward attacking Obama on life issues, bringing up comments he made in the same community during the Pennsylvania primary.

"So I listened when our opponent defended his unconditional support for unlimited abortions and he said he said that a woman shouldn't have to be quote punished with a baby,” she said. “Ladies and gentlemen, he said that right here in Johnstown -- punished with a baby. It's about time we called him on it.”

In March, Obama said he would educate his daughters about sex education but “if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at the age of 16.”

As part of her attack, she cited both the late Pennsylvania Gov. Robert Casey and the late New York Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Both men were Northeast Catholics. Casey was pro-life and Moynihan opposed partial-birth abortions, and the Catholic vote is seen as key to winning the Keystone State next month. But Casey’s son, Sen. Bob Casey, is an Obama supporter and pledged his support for the Illinois senator before the Pennsylvania Democratic primary.

Palin said Obama opposed legislation in the Illinois state Senate that would have provided medical care to fetuses that survived an abortion.

“Imagine that,” she said. “Requiring a law, to require medial care for those babies who survive an abortion. They are living breathing babies. But Sen. Obama describes them as pre-viable.”

Palin called Obama’s position “absolutely radical.”

“Sen. Obama is a politician who has long since left behind even the middle ground on the issue of life,” she said.

Obama campaign officials said the Democratic candidate supports a ban on late-term abortions if they include exceptions for the health of mother and also backs “born alive” bills that do not undermine Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court ruling that legalized abortion.

Cognizant of criticism of a negative tone of the campaign -- which McCain addressed at a rally Friday -- Palin defended her critique of Obama’s record, saying “it is not negative; it is not mean-spirited to talk about his record.”

But the rally was noticeably void of some of Palin’s more vitriolic lines, including attacks on Obama’s ties to William Ayers.

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Run away little girl.

Your own family, your abuse of power, your nieve hockey mom cheerleading ...

The issue at stake is the most powerful two positions in the world and Sarah Palin in unqualified, and worse demonstrably unsuitable, as Vice President of the United States.

Sarah your opinion means nothing now.
You should repent for the wrong you have done.
Most followers of Jesus would know this...
Now they will blame Obama for going out and doing abortions.  This is getting right down ridiculous.  

Not part of discussion but thought I would put this out there.  I do not watch FOX in fact I have deleted from all my tv's but received an e-mail today that say's "Hannity is going to do a special tonite about Obama and all his radical ties.  He is so excited about it".  I cannot watch Hannity he just makes me gag so will not be watching program.

They are trying everything to discredit Obama.  And if all these people have been out there why is he the only one that has found them?
This is perhaps the least surprising thing to come out of the McCain camp.  Everything else has failed, so why not go after the cultural issues that usually rally the conservative base.  I fully expect them to go after gay marriage next.  In fact, I'm a bit surprised they haven't blasted the CT court decision striking down a gay marriage ban.  
This from a person who as Mayor made rape victims pay for their own rape kits.  These kits are needed to gather evidence so that the rapist can be prosecuted.  She doesn't care about rape victims but she is against Roe vs Wade.  That seems strange!!!!!
Clean up your own  house before you criticize anyone else, typical right wing sleaze,  do as I say not as I do
Sarah Palin now has a new lie of the week, the Bill Ayers lie didn't stick because it wasn't true and now this about abortion.  Illinois already had a law to protect live born babies and the proposed legislation was just another attack on choice for women.  Barack Obama believes we women can make reasonable choices for ourselves as Sarah Palin has for herself. Choice does not always mean abortion, sometimes it involves getting the help you need financially or medically or emotionally and also choosing to have the baby with this help. Choice means just that and Sarah Palin needs to stay out of the personal lives of voters.    
McPalin Chicken has come home to roost! Please keep up your negative campaign, please.
Running on empty, McCain/Palin!
I respect the positions most Republicans take on abortion, but I often wonder why they semm to only care about it as a legal issue and only at election time.
I am a democrat used to be republican.  I am against and actually detest abortion.  

But when one considers who to select as the next President, all life must be taken into account, not just some.  How many people are likely to die under a President.  

From 2001 to 2007, the republican’s controlled the entire government., that is both Houses of Congress and the Executive branch.  During that time when they had the reins, they did essentially nothing to stop the massive numbers of abortions.  But what they did do is unjustifiably invade another country, a country that was almost totally controlled at the time with our inspectors going anywhere and our planes in the air.  Tens of thousands of people have now been slaughtered as a result of this invasion.  I believe these people count as humanity too.  

Yes, I ask how many people are likely to die under a President.    Right now Bush’s numbers are very high and that does NOT include abortion.

John McCain, being a one dimensional thinker (condemn, threaten, attack) is NOT simply more of the same, he is actually worse.  Bush actually thinks and gathers facts before he acts. Bottom of the class, can’t get the words right  McCain does NOT and in our current world, that is dangerous.      

MCCAIN IS SIMPLY MORE WAR AND MORE KILLING WAITING TO HAPPEN..

Palin wants to talk about ANYTHING other than the fact that she was just found (by a bipartisan committee) to have VIOLATED ALASKA'S ETHICS LAWS.
If anyone is going to believe anything that comes out of this woman's mouth - they should be checked for brain activity.  
I respect the positions most Republicans take on abortion, but I often wonder why they seem to only care about it as a legal issue and only at election time.
Say it isn;t so Sarah, say it isnt' so.  You betcha', Troopergate seems to have pulled the Mcain/Palin ticket into a deeper pit of desperation.  Our world doesn't need another eight years of this kind of folksy, holier than though maverick!  We will be glad to send you home and out of the world spotlight.  Please stop embarassing us!
What McCain/Palin do best...when your campaign takes a hit, try to spin it and turn the page.  None of the polls list abortion as a major concern in this election, yet it's what Palin is going to be hammering now.

Politics of distraction.  It's not going to work this time around.
Yea Palin lets talk about your record of abusing your power!!
Sarah Palin really should step down from the republican ticket she is a disgrace to politics. she needs to be home with her children. imagine her with vice pres. power.
What normal, decent woman would advocate giving birth to a child from rape or incest? Those two things should be a matter of concern for women. Trig isn't even her child, she took the baby from her daughter who is pregnant again. Sarah Palin needs to get a grip on reality and go back to Alaska and eat another moose burger and forget about it. She is going to incite violence in the campaign and whatever happens will be her legacy. But I don't think she cares since she is addicted to all the adulation of the masses. If she wants that kind of fame, go to Hollywood.
She violated the public trust - she abused her poer. It's time for her to resign and stop her racist hate speeches.
ya change the subject from your abuse of power charges in alaska and when did 1st hubby become governor or was he always the real governor?  you folks in alaska sure do things differently than normal Americans.  when are you going to secede from America and why do you hate America so much that you want to secede?
Palin is pathetic! Like McCain, she is trying anything and everything to get that vote, but only too little, too late!  PALIN BROKE THE LAW AND IS IN DENIAL.  AMERICA WON'T FORGET!!!
schucks I got somethin' in my eye...
and it ain't the truth..

Sarah you need to see Thomas Muthee again..ASAP!

Thanks for the lecture and reinforcing why you don't need to be anywhere near the White House except as a tourist.

Self Inflicted Wounds

Tucker Bounds and the McCain campaign - if you can call it that - are a complete embarrassment to this nation. There is only one reason people are yelling "terrorist" at McCain / Palin rallies - because their ads and candidates are saying Obama "pals around with terrorists that want to destroy our country".

It's quite simple. It has nothing to do with Mr. Bounds' ridiculous assertion that their supporters are so frustrated they have to yell "muslim", and "kill him" because of the prospect of a tax policy we had for 8 years under the Clinton administration. As far as excuses go - it's not a very good one.

They merely echo the ignorant talk radio hosts (Hannity & Limbaugh) that get paid millions to divide this nation with horsecrap insinuating that Obama somehow is not a patriotic American. They know full well they are inciting these low information, and for the most part - low IQ voters and whipping them into a frenzy.

I am not ready to pat McCain on the back for doing what he was forced to do because even he can't stomach the results of his campaigns "message". It's telling that he was booed by these so called "country first" good Christian Americans when he was simply saying is decent.

There he was - a poor old man knowing full well that Obama was 8 years old when Ayers did what Obama himself has called "detestable acts", having to explain to HIS OWN supporters that his opponent is a citizen of this country and is a decent family man you needn't fear should he become President.

McCain looked ashamed and he should be.

The reality is I love this country as much as McCain and Obama - I love this country as much as the whackjob in the rural town (or anywhere else for that matter) that hears Palin say "Obama thinks America is so imperfect that he would pal around with a terrorist that would bomb our nations capitol".

It's hard to dream up something more irresponsible to say to a large crowd.

IT IS NOT A LEAP TO ASSUME that NO doubt some of their less intelligent supporters (and there is no shortage) will think because of this "message" that they need to act on behalf of this nation and somehow "save" our country from "terrorist Obama". You do the math.

Last night, as he found himself in the middle of the stench his own campaign has created, it was sadly clear that McCain isn't even able to lead his own campaign - let alone this nation.
I agree with Palin's position that she mentioned in the past.  Women should be criminally charged and then given the death penalty for failing to promote life.
how about her cutting the funding for the special olympics in half in alaska. she really cares---NOT!
This campaign has no clue about American values, as evidenced by the latest disgusting statement by a campaign supporter:

The Iowa Independent quotes the invocation, delivered before McCain arrived at his Davenport event today:

“There are plenty of people around the world who are praying to their god, be they Hindu, Buddah, or Allah, that (McCain’s) opponent wins. I pray that you step forward and honor your own name.”
It's about the economy, STUPID!
The woman uses the issue of abortion and the birth of her own child as a way to change the conversation away from the fact she and McCain have no idea how to address our economic problems. Yeah, she is so holier than the rest of us.
No, Sarah you're right that it is not negative and mean spirited to talk about Obama's record.  Unless of course you are lying about it as you and Mr McCain have been doing.

Excerpting the middle of a sentence in a way that reverses the entire sentence as the current ad calling Mr Obama dishonorable is lying.  Saying the Mr Obama is "palling around" with terrorists is lying.  Saying that Mr Obama voted 94 times to raise taxes is lying.  When you are parroting the words of a campaign staff that don't care about the difference between truth and lies, you're going to lying a lot.

And while we're on the subject, I dispute the characterization of Mr Ayers as a terrorist.  The Weather Underground worked very hard to plan their bombings is a way to avoid injuring  or killing anyone.  Terrorism is the deliberate targeting of civilians to advance a political cause.  That is not an accurate picture of the Weather Underground.  But then you wouldn't know that because I am pretty sure you never even heard the words until you were selected to be the VP candidate.

And if you want to start with guilt by association, let's talk about you speaking at the AIP convention.  Apparently you see America imperfect enough that people who want to secede from America are reasonable and you are ok to "Pal Around" with them.

Dick Cheney in skirt.
Women have the right  to choose and she is against having an abortion due to rape or incest - she makes me sick.  What woman wouldn't want the right to choose!  She was against educating teens in high school against sex ed too and look at her daughter now!  Go Obama/Biden!
Look I am really concerned with Gov. Palin in any important office that would control or dictate things in the lives of any American, I really like Jonh McCain and have supported him for many years. I can not imagine not backing or beleiving in and man or woman whom has put their selves in harms way performing the most noble and patriotic role an American can perform as Sen. McCain has done. However Gov. Palin needs to quit talking.
My meger legal experience as an active student studying law tells me that the pro-life\pro-choice topic is hardly an issue that can be affected by any sitting president.
People!, Roe v. Wade set a common law! It is now LAW! ladies and gentlemen. It would take many years of debating, lobbying and many many Supreme Court Cases to ever return to this abotion issue. No president has any power to change law without the aprovale of the other three branches of government.  This is the hard fact of government. It is so simple that a caveman could see it!
Abortion is not a topic, issue or reason to vote one way or anouther. It CAN NOT be affected simply by the election of a president.
She should have left this subject at the door in Wasilla, Alaska and came to the table with what she can change and what she does know; although I'm not convinced there is anything she does know.
She is basically a weapon for the 'heart-sick'.
Sen Obama said he did not want his daughter punished with a baby as a teenager.  Sarah Palin probably did not even hear that comment, it was so long ago.  She wasn't even in the know at that time.  Is fact check going to disprove her remarks?
Adolf Hitler's rise to power in the early 1930s used similiar divisive tactics, that labeled the dissenters terrorists and scary and blamed them for all of society's great problems.  
palin is telling more debunked lies! It is obvious she doesn't read newspapers and now she doesn't even listen to newscasts.  All of the abortion rant she's spewing is twisted and distorted rhetoric about getting certain laws through in the Illinois senate.  
From my observations, it is certain that if you want to keep abortion legal-vote republican.  THey always talk about it and do nothing to change it.  Roe vs Wade hasn't been touched in eight years-the entire bush administration.  More lies and excuses from the republicans.  
Ignorance, stupidity and bigotry the mantra of the republican party!
I think that the Media and McCain's campaign
established early on that Family members were off limits..That should apply to Palin's baby son ..
Exploiting a down syndrome baby for political gain is
as low as it gets as  she conveniently inserts her son's name on the campaign trail..Palin's record as governor indicates that before son was born she cut the special needs budget by approx 62%..That's significant. I am sure that she and the First Rube,Todd will work hard to increase the Special Needs Budget now that it affects them personally-- removal from office not permitting..



And btw, what do you know about the "middle ground" on the abortion issue?  You are so far away from the middle that you can't even see it without a telescope.  No exception for rape, incest, mother's life?  My god doesn't see it that way.



I don't care who has an abortion but I care plenty about those crappy mortgages you think I should pay for, Palin.
hopefully the McCain camp will stop these terrible attacks on Barack Obama. They are not needed at this time of desperation. Where does McCain think it will get him? This is going to be a year when 'red' turns to 'blue' all across America!
For someone as corrupt as she is, should step down as potential vice president. Her speeches aren't even credible anymore.
Talk some more about God while you incite people to hate, fear and violence. Jesus would be ashamed of you, Ms. Palin. And so am I and all sane Americans.
So, here's a governor that has abused her authority as such per the Alaska Legislature and she wants to talk down on Obama. I think she should wake up and smell the roses. Who cares if Alaska allows Todd to act as a co-governor. Do we want a a co-VP?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj-on3kfWuE

Sarah you need Thomas Muthee stat!..the spell is wearing off!!!
Some people just don’t care who they hurt to advance their political agenda.

Accusing a loving father of two beautiful little girls of wanting to kill babies isn’t just wrong on the facts, it’s the most disgusting and manipulative kind of hate politics around. But anti-abortion ideologues with a long history of partisan attacks are still launching unconscionable ads smearing Barack Obama.

The attackers torture and twist logic and history by willfully misinterpreting votes by Barack Obama in the Illinois State Senate to come up with their wild accusation.

Here’s the truth about Barack Obama and the bill:

At the time Barack voted against a bill containing language designed to protect infants who were “born alive,” such protection was already on the books as Illinois state law.[1]
The accusations against Barack are so reckless that not even the Republican state senator who sponsored the bill will support them. In fact, he freely admits that “None of those who voted against SB-1082 favored infanticide.”[2]
The bill was opposed by many legislators and groups like the Illinois Medical Society because of the unintended impact it would have had on other laws and legal precedents in Illinois.[3]
Barack is on the record[3] saying that he would have supported a similar bill that came up in Congress -- but that didn’t pose a threat to a woman’s right to choose the way the Illinois bill did.[4]
So now he is a baby killer? How much lower can she go? Stop the nonsense McCain.
I'm pro-choice but Obama's views on abortion are BEYOND that to the point of extremism.... as a Catholic I am appaled that he has such a lack of respect for human life

ALL LIFE IS PRECIOUS!

McCain/Palin '08
Sarah Palin 2012
Funny how she say's this after her seventeen year olds second pregnancy, hmmm I wonder what  happened to the first baby.
Gov. Palin first goes and decides to have a Downs baby while serving as a Governor, then starts using him as a political talking point????  I think she is immature in her stridency, and in another 10 years will regret having sold out his privacy to score cheap points with conservatives.  In any event, by putting what are essentially personal, private family matters on view to strengthen her "brand", she has set her family up to be a laughingstock if these choices turn out to be viewed, a decade from now,  as unbalanced and self-serving.   The last thing this country needs is another hyper-confident, know-nothing politician operating from a position of moral certitude.  
All she has left is the attack.  He said that he may not agree with people who want the government to become involved with a personal choice about a heart wrenching topic.  But that we can all agree that we can decrease unwanted pregnancies and the amount of abortions.  This over the top simplification of the topic of abortion is just what I would expect from someone like Palin.  They say they want government out of our lives but then turn around on personal moral choices shove government down our throat.  Hate and fear is all she has left the topic may change but the tone has not.  Nice try Palin.  McCain should drop you like a bad habit and show his true Maverick side.  
I have been and remain pro-life, but I've changed my perspective this year.

The myopic focus on making abortion illegal is adolescent - it stems from an "I am right and good and you are wrong and bad" mentality.

While I believe that overturning Roe v Wade would reduce overall abortions a bit, it is not the answer. The answer is to both reduce unwanted pregnancies through better sex education and access to contraceptives, as well as provide appropriate healthcare and infant placement for pregnant women who currently have limited and poor options when they become pregnant.

We can reduce abortions, but we have to do it with caring and compassion for all life - not just the lives of the unborn.

By the by - McKane supports embryonic stem cell research and the expansion of the death penalty.

Though pro-choice, I believe abortions will decrease with Obama in the White House (as they did under Clinton) rather than increase (as they have under Bush).

Peace to all.


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