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Mark Murray, NBC Deputy Political Director

Domenico Montanaro, NBC Political Researcher



McCain vs. Obama: Too far behind?

Posted: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:22 AM by Domenico Montanaro

The latest Washington Post/ABC poll has Obama up 10 points among likely voters, 53%-43%. McCain has made little headway in his attempts to convince voters that Obama is too ‘risky’ or too ‘liberal.’ Rather, recent strategic shifts may have hurt the Republican nominee, who now has higher negative ratings than his rival and is seen as mostly attacking his opponent rather than addressing the issues that voters care about. Even McCain's supporters are now less enthusiastic about his candidacy, returning to levels not seen since before the Republican National Convention. Conversely, Obama's pitch to the middle class on taxes is beginning to sink in; nearly as many said they think their taxes would go up under a McCain administration as under an Obama presidency, and more see their burdens easing with the Democrat in the White House.”

More: “Nearly two-thirds of voters, 64 percent, now view Obama favorably, up six percentage points from early September. About a third of voters have a better opinion of the senator from Illinois because of his debate performances, while 8 percent have a lower opinion of him. By contrast, more than a quarter said they think worse of McCain as a result of the debates, more than double the proportion saying their opinion had improved. McCain's overall rating has also dipped seven points, to 52 percent, over the past month.” 

Has McCain fallen too far behind? Can anyone point to a precedent where a candidate in a similar position has actually won? Humphrey, Ford, Gore, and Kerry all made it closer, but...

John Harwood notes, "In the latest Gallup tracking poll, Mr. Obama leads Mr. McCain 50 percent to 43 percent among registered voters. Mr. McCain's deficit in that survey has remained seven percentage points or more for most of the last two weeks. Since Gallup began presidential polling in 1936, only one candidate has overcome a deficit that large, and this late, to win the White House: Ronald Reagan, who trailed President Jimmy Carter 47 percent to 39 percent in a survey completed on Oct. 26, 1980. Yet Mr. Carter, like Mr. McCain today, represented the party holding the White House in bad times. After Mr. Reagan successfully presented himself as an alternative to Mr. Carter in their lone debate, held on the late date of Oct. 28, he surged ahead. After two debates, Mr. Obama holds a lead that is approaching Mr. Reagan's eventual margin of victory.”   

”In 1968, Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey all but erased a 12-point early-October deficit before losing narrowly to Richard M. Nixon. In 2000, Vice President Al Gore wiped out a seven-point deficit in the final 10 days of the election, winning the popular vote but losing the Electoral College to Mr. Bush. But since polling began, the pattern is that swings in opinion get smaller as Election Day approaches and voters gather more information. As American politics have grown more polarized, the opportunity for large swings has become smaller still."

Between now and Election Day, we expect a lot more coverage of race. In fact, we wonder, if Obama were white, would most pundits have already declared this race over? Is the reason why so many strategists on both sides are completely ready to call off the dogs is race?

The New York Times sets the racial CW. "The candidacy of Mr. Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, once seemed to promise a new national conversation about race, an open dialogue about historical animosities and prejudices and the ways in which Americans have and have not moved beyond them. Yet for the most part, race has remained submerged as an issue, and the Obama campaign never dealt with it directly or in a full-throated way. Instead, race has erupted as an issue mostly in ways that seem to confirm how deep the divide remains for some voters -- those expressing mistrust over Mr. Obama's ties to his controversial former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., or those describing Mr. Obama as ‘uppity’ or ‘elitist.’ While Mr. Obama's advisers say they do not think race will be a factor in the election, the actual extent of the racial divide is likely to become clear only on Nov. 4.”

“‘Obama has been running as a post-racial candidate from the start, and he has been doing it very well,’ said Douglas Brinkley, the presidential historian, ‘but the fact of the matter is that some voters -- we can't know yet how many -- will not get past his race. And I very much believe that the McCain-Palin ticket is tapping into that.’”

The Washington Post delves into race and uses the John Lewis attack on McCain over the weekend as the jumping-off point. "In a series of interviews last week, senior Obama advisers offered one explanation for the candidate's relative reluctance to talk about race: Their extensive voter research, they said, shows no sign that race -- or racism -- will play a meaningful role in the outcome of the election. Overwhelming economic concerns have wiped away lingering prejudice, they said, in a country that was already rapidly changing to the point where it would accept a black candidate.”

We beg folks to read this op-ed by GOP pollster Lance Tarrance who destroys the myth of the so-called "Bradley effect." "The other reason I reject the Bradley Effect in 2008 is because there was not a Bradley Effect in the 1982 California Governor's race, either. Even though Tom Bradley had been slightly ahead in the polls in 1982, due to sampling error, it was statistically too close to call."

"Independent political groups, some of which made big splashes in the 2004 race, are playing reduced roles in this year's presidential campaign," the Boston Globe writes. "With three-plus weeks to go, there's less money pouring into nasty negative television advertising from outside groups than in 2004, and much of the activity is directed toward narrow niches in the electorate. ... Both Obama and McCain have criticized outside groups, but Obama at this point in the campaign has been the greater beneficiary of this unsolicited help."

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Independent political groups, some of which made big splashes in the 2004 race, are playing reduced roles in this year's presidential campaign...
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This is definitely a good thing.  Maybe it's just me, but I got really tired of the 527s -- on BOTH sides of the political spectrum...

http://thepajamapundit.com/
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The McCain/Palin ticket is the first in American history in which both candidates were found to have violated ethics standards before a national election.
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The nation has had 102 major-party tickets covering 51 presidential elections over more than two centuries. And we've never had a ticket in which both candidates on the same ticket were responsible for ethics violations before a national election. McCain/Palin is the first.
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And these are the "mavericks" who are going to "clean up Washington"? On the contrary - they are officially the most corrupt ticket in US history!
Gore did not lose the Electoral College to George Bush.  They tied.  The conservative Supreme Court then cherry-picked our President.  Please correct.
You guys are cherry picking your polls.
It's too early to declare the race over. Yes, Obama has had some very good weeks, which have allowed voters to take a considered look at him without the filter of negative ads or MSM bias. Many voters have been impressed by what they saw. Absent a gaffe the MSM can magnify, I think voters will maintain that positive impression.

Still, a final debate looms and who knows what other crisis awaits America (God forbid.). Obama is right to continue campaigning, to keep knocking on doors and to stay sharp. The Republicans are literally out for his blood. Increasing the Secret Service detail on Obama would not be a bad idea.
I wonder what McGimmick will try next? It should be interesting because he has come up with something new almost every week since before the conventions. I hope palin keeps talking, the more she talks the bigger obama's lead gets....

OBAMA/BIDEN 08
I agree. It's over. Sorry John.
The negative comments from McCain and Palin have definately turned me off and away.  As a long time McCain supporter, listening to him recently  he comes across as a bitter old man, someone I don't want to see in the White House.  

His choice of Palin really concerns me with her religious attitudes, he wanting to have her 17 year old daughter go through with a pregnancy makes no sense.

The possibility of major negative changes to the Supreme Court also have me greatly concerned.

I'm now leaning heavily towards Obama who appears moderate, thoughful, and definately more Presidential than McCain.  
I believe Americans have grown in understanding diversity and that everyone will vote for the candidate that presents the best option for leadership.
Obama has shown what a great leader he will be for America, McCain has floundered, he does not understand main street, how could he?  He has 7 homes and 13 cars!
DEAR JOHN MCCAIN, AS A LOYAL REPUBLICAN FOR 28 YEARS ALLOW ME A RESPONSE FOR YOUR LATEST ATTACK METHOD ON OBAMA,,, THAT'S NOT WORKING,,,    DUH!!!
After all the negativity and hate coming outofthe two candidates and especially from thosejived-up crowds, no wonder people are viewing him more negatively!  Bob Scheiffer says he'll try to pin the candidates down to specifics in the debate; good luck, Bob!  Many people (most of all, McCain's handlers) would like to see McCain at least not wanter all over the area during the debate, look Obama in the eye or refer to his rival as "that one".
Issues, schmissues, McCain has to just try not to give the impression he was raised in a psychiatric facility.
I beleive the reason there won't really be a race issue on black vs. white with Obama

is because he is half white.

Historically we have seen the first black Americans to break barriers tend to be those of mixed origin.

It is different than the Bradley effect.

It is more about American vs. Arab....and that is based on a lie that John Mccain's campaign and his vice president...

are so morally off track are using to divide us...

it is the past 8 years continued.

America through the lens of lies.

It's what blinded us from 200 to 2006...and what got us here...

and I think McCain knows it but just wants to be President so bad...he is letting his campaign blind him as well.
Obama is smart enough to know that th polls dont matter and thats why he is HAMMERING McCain with Ads, commercials, The Clintons as well as his ground game.
Its not over till its OVER.

I live in NJ and i have had the DNC come to my house 3 times already. The GOp???
NONE. Where is there gound game???
Oh, its with Palin spreading HATE.
That woman is EVIL. Once this is over I hope she gets IMPEACHED. She is an IDIOT and McSHAME should be ASHAMED of himself for picking someone with NO CLUE
This is a huge bowl of information man...the notable idea that Obama gained any votes this week 'tho- is quite crazy, Obama Lost 2 Points this weekend, possibly because McCain 'tamped back' his own attacks allowing sister sarah to carry all the lynch-mob-ropes But for whatever the reason... (yeah, West Va. showed the spill from -last day to register, but,) we must be clear and honest: McCain Gained This Week!
McCain would not have been too far behind if he had offered some real substance & plans, rather than a combination of daily plans & rhetoric. He has lost the area that he needs....Independents. PLus....he needed a VP that has knowledge of the economy and global affairs. His stubborness led him to choose Palin over Romney....what a disaster.
The Tragedy of John McCain

If Shakespeare could return to life for one last tragedy, John McCain would provide a worthy subject, conflicted as he has been between the better angels of his nature and the compulsion to win at any cost. As he descended into a hell of his own making, he plaintively cried out, “if only Barack Obama had agreed to town meetings, then we as a nation would have been spared the ugliness of this campaign!”

For the rest, please see: http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/JTatEHT/gGgbrT
"Overwhelming economic concerns have wiped away lingering prejudice, they said, in a country that was already rapidly changing to the point where it would accept a black candidate."

Yeah, real rapidly. It only took 140 years.
Obama the savior of the working class
Obama will smite the greedy wall street merchants, Fortune 500 corporations and Big Oil.
And he will say “This is good”.
He will then seek out and prosecute with extreme prejudice the CEO’s of these corporations, hedge fund managers and oil speculators.
And he will say “I’m on a roll!”.
He will take their money, their mansions, limo’s and mega-yachts,  and banish them to toil in the fields.
And he will say “Allrighty then!!!”.
And his supporters shall gather at his feet at the appointed time and he will administer justice to those who have opposed him.
And all in attendance will say “Yeah, you go smack daddy!”.
And Barack Obama will reign supreme for all eternity.

Or not.
The more McCain attacks Obama, the worse the economy gets and the more people dislike McCain. If McCain is a Christian he should read his Bible. It clearly says in Proverbs that if you dig a ditch for someone else, you dig it for yourself.
Obama's lead is impressive, but I for one hesitate to pop the corks on any bottles just yet because its been such a volatile race. We've had several numbers swings. And if conventional wisdom is correct and the economic crisis is driving the numbers, then any change to that crisis could potentially cause the numbers to shift again.

Its a little too early to call, and I seem to recall reading at the Dewey Presidential Library that any calls made before the votes are actually counted might be premature.
BEHOLD!!!  The OCTOBER Suprise!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyspCRmJv7w

This is it Everybody!!  Get On Board!!!  Spread It Far and Wide!!!

Obama May be indeed Finished!!!

Goodbye Obama!!!

Blog It! Blog It! Blog It!

Spread Far and Wide!!!!

People Need To Know!!!

What did you execpt.The Obama campaign has shown that they have the ground game,and a well thought out plan.There message has been consistant there manner has showed calmness,class,and the kind of thoughtfullness that has been missing for the last 8 years.In the last few weeks we have seen Bomber bouncing all over the map stooping to the lowest form of campaigning.
I think the (political) race is largely about personalities.  Obama comes across as honest, interested, intelligent, energetic.  McCain comes across as dull, scripted, stodgy, and snide.  People simply like Obama more.
Q:  What is the best national, short term strategy/product/process that the American People can implement NOW that will cut our dependence on foreign oil?

Q:  What is the most cost effective, national, short term strategy/product/process that the American People can implement now that will cut our dependence on foreigh oil?  
McCain has nothing new to say because he is a Bush man and goes along with Bush 90% of the time. So the only thing going for him is negative talk about Obama. And then there is Palin who is border line racist she is trash talking trash. This woman is doing her best to divide this country. She has done more damage in the few months we have had the unpleasant pleasure of knowing her. McCain made a major mistake chosing such a hateful person. She should be sent back to Alaska where they must condone this type of behavior. She just stands there and smile and winks when people are suggesting they kill a Presidential rival. What kind of person would let that go!!!!
As long as the Republicans have their caging lists and bogus provisional ballots ready to hand out, we can't assume a thing.  If Obama can widen his lead in the coming weeks, that extra breathing room might be the difference.
There is HOPE for US and the world!  Much can happen in two weeks, though so we have to be diligent.  I know in my SoCal neighborhood, the street is suffocated with McCain/Palin signs everywhere I go!
October surprise anyone?
This election may actually create a new term called the "Palin Effect" where the Joe Sixpack & Hockey Mom working class and rural voters are backing her enthusiastically in the polls, but when faced with the actual decision in the voting booths, will see her as real negative as a possible (probable?) president if McCain falls ill.
It seems to me; considering the anger shown by some of the crowd at the McCain/Palin events, shouldn’t the question be – “Isn’t this yelling “Fire” in a crowded room?”.  
Rep. Lewis’ comments were probably phrased incorrectly but, his questioning of where this type of campaigning is taking us is perfectly valid.

The office of the Presidency is suppose to be an honorable one, as is the government.  It is most unfortunate that Senator McCain is helping to further disintegrate Americans view of government and the type of people in it.  His constant personal attacks of Senator Obama have done nothing in my mind except to belittle Senator McCain and what he is suppose to stand for.  My father served 2 tours in Vietnam and was in the Korean War.  I have the utmost respect for the experience Senator McCain went through.  One of the things I look for in a candidate is integrity and Senator McCain has displayed by his campaign that he does not possess this characteristic.  It is time we get people in our government who are looking out for US and can do so with honor, integrity and respect.
This is not true. The media has been completely unfair and biased for a Democrat even when it is the worst option and they do not understand that they are ruining the country by trying to manipulate the public in this manner. The media does not have Americans best interest at heart., Anyone who votes a "D" just because it is not a "R" is trully in serious danger of changing this country for the worse. Obama has no experiance to lead anything. This is not  good change.
Those who would vote on the basis of race should realize that, whatever else voting race may be, voting is a compromise: voting for a "black" man or voting for Palin as an accidental President. It is unlikely that McCain, at his age and with his history of cancer, would live out a four-year term, which would inflict on America the most calamitous accidental Presidency--Palin as President--in its history. Think race if you must, but before you vote race, think again, for voting race would be to expose America to the greatest risk it has had to face in modern times. Maybe, for some, even that is less important than race, but if those should triumph, God help America!!!
So ... a guy that worked with Bradley's opponent's campaigN thinks there is no such thing as the "Bradley Effect" where some whites say they would vote for a black person, but renege when they get into that voting booth.

Why is this not surprising. (wink-wink)

That beign said, his position that such a phenomenon in 2008 is an insult to today's voters rings true with the majority of people ... especially since Obama is where he is, through Primary voting. His supposition that it matters little because only swing voters are relevant at this time is a little shallow, though. What if this Bradley Effect exists? What if those in the Democratic party that say they will vote for him (those Hillary voters) just can't bring themselves to pull the lever for him.

We'll see.
No I really don't think so. Looking back Gore and Kerry ere ahead even on election night. I think wth all the false ACRON registerations removed that will put them dead even or McCain ahead. There is a exretemly good chance that McCain will this election
Obama should not be looking at any of these polls. Obama has done well by earning every single ounce of support that he has, and he needs to keep on doing this.
We should soak it to the fat cat rich republicans for their war and economic messes. They had their party for 8 years now it is the rest of our turn to party.
McBUSH is done for!!!!

Go OBAMA/BIDEN '08/12

A RABID REPUBLICAN NOW FOR OBAMA/BIDEN
It seems that the GOP talking heads like Rollins and Cristol are preparing the faithful for a loss by McCain. The strategy seems a "triage" designed to try saving some congressional and senate seats.

Still too early to brag and gloat as 3 weeks is a long time in politics but Barack looks stronger by the day. I particularly like the fact that he and Biden are on message while McCain lurches from message to message similar to what happed to Hillary.

Time to tone down the rhetoric on both sides and prepare for the final push. Let's all vote our convictions on 11/4

Obama-Biden '08
I feel compelled to address Joe Scarborough's tirade this morning on Morning Joe. He sounded just like a petulant child. He complained about those mean, nasty Democrats calling him names when he was in Congress and in some way tied that into what is happening in the McCain campaign. Poor Joe, lets have a pity party for him. Joe, get over it. Nobody cares that the Democrats called you names, but we do care that some McCain supporters are calling Senator Obama a terrorist and calling "Kill Him"
With McCain/Palin down in the polls and only three weeks left, it looks like McCain/Palin will have to tell a lot more lies and bigger lies.
I can't wait until nov 5th gets here so we can send sarah palin back home to alaska...hopefully never to hear from her ever, ever, ever, again!!!


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