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First Thoughts: The final fight night

Posted: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:22 AM by Carrie Dann
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Carrie Dann
*** All eyes on McCain
: What has to be the most jam-packed season of debates in modern American political history -- we've witnessed some 40 of them, according to our count -- finally comes to an end tonight when McCain and Obama square off here in final last debate. This final showdown comes as two new national polls show McCain trailing Obama by a significant margin (14 points according to New York Times/CBS and nine points per LA Times/Bloomberg), and after McCain declared that he would whip Obama’s “you-know-what” and that he would possibly bring up Ayers at tonight’s debate. (Of course, the moderator might be the one to bring up Ayers). Indeed, all eyes tonight will be on the Arizona Republican to see how he catches up. And that’s a striking turn of events, given how we always thought this election would be about Obama. However, maybe it was about Obama -- until the point he made himself qualified in the public's eye. Then it became about Bush again, but we digress…

Video: NBC Political Director Chuck Todd offers his first read on the final presidential debate and says older voters are the key.

*** Trying to disqualify Obama: Whether it’s the media, Republicans, or voters, everyone watching is aware the onus is on McCain to make the case that Obama isn't ready. From the day he announced, voters gave McCain the benefit of the doubt on presidential readiness. And yet McCain has spent much of the fall campaign trying to convince voters he can handle this job. But voters are already convinced. The problem for McCain is that through three debates -- two presidentials and one vice-presidential -- a majority of voters are also convinced Obama can do the job. This means, McCain has to somehow accomplish the following: disqualify Obama without going negative. To do this, he needs help from Obama, but judging from the Democrat’s previous performances, it's hard to predict that McCain will get help from his opponent.

*** How does he do it? So short of that, what does he do? Does he go totally soft and do what he can rebuild the McCain brand? Does he try and sell yet another new idea, like a radical appointment idea or a one-term pledge? It could look desperate. The simplest solution of course is not to try and do everything tonight. If tonight is simply about making some swing/indie voters like McCain again, it will be a start. The biggest mistake he could make is to assume this is it. Then again, what if this IS it? What if this is the last time 70 million Americans tune into the presidential race before Election Day with an open mind?

Video: NBC’s Andrea Mitchell reports on what’s at stake in tonight’s final presidential debate.

*** Obama's goals: The obvious one is to not make a mistake. If he can get through this debate without a YouTube moment, then he will have accomplished the second most important feat of the fall campaign: win the debate season. As Dean Smith might advise, it's four corners time. And yet, Obama can't come across as too presumptuous or too cocky. The thing the campaign is probably praying for, actually, is for McCain to go after his character; defending one self from an obvious attack is usually the easiest thing to do at a debate. It's getting hit with the surprise attack that's hard to defend. But at this point, are there really any more surprises?

*** The skinny: Tonight’s 90-minute debate from Hofstra University, moderated by CBS’s Bob Schieffer, begins at 9:00 pm ET. The topic is domestic policy, and like at the first debate, there will be two-minute responses to questions with an additional five minutes of discussion. But unlike past debates, McCain and Obama will be seated at a table. Just how much harder is it to go negative on someone you are sitting next to? Just ask Nicolle Wallace and Robert Gibbs, who shared a couch this morning on TODAY. They weren't yelling at each other.

Video: TODAY’s Matt Lauer discusses the debate with Robert Gibbs, senior adviser to the Obama campaign, and Nicolle Wallace, senior advisor to the McCain campaign.

*** A polarized electorate: NBC/WSJ pollster Peter Hart (D) passes along this finding from a recent poll he conducted: 37% of McCain voters say they detest Obama and would have a hard time accepting him as president, while a similar number of Obama voters (36%) say the same thing of McCain.

*** McCain’s media strategy: Much is going to be made of the gargantuan financial advantage Obama's had this fall. And it's played out in his TV buying decisions -- he's in every possible market that even touches a swing state (including Chicago and Louisville, which bleed into Indiana). So how is McCain countering? Take a look at the ad buys McCain makes outside the big cities. In those markets (like a Green Bay or a Youngstown), McCain and Obama are about even; it's in the major markets where Obama dominates. In many of these cities, McCain has decided to skip buying altogether (including Miami and Washington, DC). But realize that the Obama strategy and the McCain strategy to 270 are different. Obama needs big wins and turnouts in the major cities and inner-suburbs to win. McCain needs to win overwhelmingly in the small cities/towns and rural parts of the battleground states.  Still, it must be demoralizing for Republicans in the inner-suburbs to see so much Obama and so little McCain. And by the way, we haven't even discussed radio where Obama is just drowning out McCain by even greater margins than on TV.

*** Obama keeps innovating: If Obama wins, there will be a lot of folks who will take credit -- from the folks who claim they did the early vote, the voter registration program, or (as we learned yesterday), the video game ad campaign. Yes, that's right, Obama is now advertising in video games. Gaming ads are not new, but new to politics. The Army has actually very effectively used video games for recruiting. But considering the Obama demographic of new voters, gaming is an interesting tack, the only thing he's got to worry about is making sure his ads show up in games that aren't, um, too mature.

*** Hammering the message home: McCain might be trailing right now and Republicans might be poised to lose more House and Senate seats. But you can say this about the GOP: It really knows how to drive a message -- whether it’s Bill Ayers or ACORN -- and get the MSM to pick up it. ACORN has got name I.D., that's a start for them.

*** On the trail: Biden campaigns in Ohio, stopping Athens, Granville, and Newark. Palin spends her day in New Hampshire, stumping in Dover, Laconia, and Salem. And Michelle Obama goes to Fort Wayne, IN before heading to the debate.
 
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How come only liberals get to moderate debates?
37% of McCain voters say they detest Obama and would have a hard time accepting him as president, while a similar number of Obama voters (36%) say the same thing of McCain.
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This is just sad.  I want Barack Obama as my next president -- but I do not 'detest' John McCain.  I do 'detest' some of his campaign's actions -- particularly in the past month -- but I do not 'detest' him as a man or as a Senator.

Our country is in real trouble if we continue down the partisan path that we are currently on.  This is one reason why I support Obama.  I feel that he can help to bridge the gap between the partisan divide.

http://thepajamapundit.com/
A vote for John McCain is like giving a hand grenade to a spoiled eight year old who's mad at the world.  As a child John McCain would hold his breath until he passed out when he didn't get his way.  He's still the same spoiled pampered brat who cheated on and dumped his wife for money and power.  He is the threat to America....not Sen. Barack Obama.
" And yet, Obama can't come across as too presumptuous or too cocky. " - First Read

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It is a a sad commentary on the state of our country that mere competence is viewed as presumptuousness.

When will the media give Senator Obama the respect he has EARNED - he has out campaigned John McCain on every level - better organized, better financed, better message.

There is nothing presumptuous or cocky about it - Senator Obama is where he is today because of HARD WORK!

P.S. Joe Scarborough is a self centered, petty, whining idiot. 'Nuff said.

John McCain's record on the economy is much worse than no record at all. Would you go hunting with Dick Chaney?
Mccain has destroyed all integrity, honor and trust
we thought the man once had.
He has tried his hardest to divide our country
with hate, fear, fueling the radicals.
IT WILL NOT WORK THIS TIME.
The American voters are not stupid, Mccain.
We see through your phoniness, unfounded
accusations and dishonorable tactics.
We cannot allow a person of your character
to lead our country.
Whats interesting is that Obama has made the election about race, as in the racist Bill Clinton and the racist John McCain. Each of these men don't have a racist bone their bodies, but the media has let Obama get away with this lie. I guess we haven't learned anything from events like the Duke Lacrosse teams problems a few years back.
NBC/WSJ pollster Peter Hart (D) passes along this finding from a recent poll he conducted: 37% of McCain voters say they detest Obama and would have a hard time accepting him as president, while a similar number of Obama voters (36%) say the same thing of McCain.

Now lets look at that poll, the reason why mccain folks detest barack is because the attacks john has tried to hammer down about barack, john mccain has attacked him so bad that i'm suprised he has not tried to punch him!!! the reason why barack's folks hate john mccain is because of the way john has attacked barack, so that i'm saying is, if this were a normal campaign with out the over the top attacks from one guy to the other guy, these number would not even be mentioned.
also as a barack supported i do hate john mccain but i don't detest him, see what i mean!!!
I really can't fathom that McCain will be able to offer up anything new---unless he chose to end this final debate with some class and dignity, which would be nice, but given the past few weeks, highly unlikely. It's unfortunate...much like so many other people, where is the man who was?  Where is the maverick of the 2000 campaign?  This is not to say that I would have voted for him (Obama/Biden all the way, baby!) but I hate that I have so lost respect for him.  It's okay to disagree, but we must disagree in a dignified manner, with intelligent discourse.  McCain has opted not to do this, and by his choice, it seems that we have lost a great American hero....

And let's not even talk about Palin, that loon....
"McCain might be trailing right now and Republicans might be poised to lose more House and Senate seats. But you can say this about the GOP: It really knows how to drive a message -- whether it’s Bill Ayers or ACORN -- and get the MSM to pick up it. ACORN has got name I.D., that's a start for them." - First Read

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Strange . . .  neither one of these topics has anything to do with the economy . . . or foreign policy . . . or healthcare . . . neither one solves any problems . . . neither tells us anything about John McCain or what direction he wants to take America in . . .

How can you be 72 years old and have NOTHING TO SAY?

Sad, and yet, the media thinks its GREAT . . . more proof that you folks live in an alternate reality.
This election year reminds me of one back in the 70's when I first became of age to participate in the political process. Everyone branded Gerald Ford as an extension of the Nixon administration and said we needed change - ANY CHANGE will do. We ended up with four years of probably the weakest most ineffective president of modern times.
Inform the public about voter registration fraud vs. voter fraud....First Read, MSNBC. Which is the more serious offense?.. who is more often guilty of voter fraud? Fraud in voter registration is easily checked and stopped before anyone votes....voter fraud..not so much,....Republicans.
I think the polls are out of wack. I think Obama is leading but I think it is more like a few not double digits.  
Let's see if McNasty is stupid enough to bring up Ayers tonight.  Bob Schieffer is too classy to ask about such distraction garbage but McNasty is desperate enough to bring it up now that he's painted himself into a corner on doing so.

I hope that New Hampshire shows "Power Abuser" Palin a proper reception by booing her off stage.  Come on New Hampshire show your class by sending the Honky Mom away in tears!

Go Obama/Biden 08/12!
McCain rebranding himself is laughable!

He says he is astonished that people think his campaign is deplorable, well duh McCain!  When you have people at rallies yelling “kill him, terrorist, and sit down boy”…wonder why YOU don’t see it as wrong.

The republican party has branded itself alright.  They are rebranding the image of a KKK Republican Party.  America does not need this McCain and you should know that.

However, McCain/ Palin meet us (the American People) on Nov 4th and we will show you how your behavior has been in the election.

Enough is Enough!
FR: "And that’s a striking turn of events, given how we always thought this election would be about Obama."

It was about Obama because while voters want something new, that also comes with some risk. "New" isn't known. So "new" has to give some indication that it isn't too risky.

Now its about McCain because watching these two operate for the last couple of months, its become clear that Obama is steady and measured and McCain is, well, not what we thought he was.

McCain has become the risky candidate. While most independents don't like risky candidates, they love to watch them. Its like watching a train wreck, with the added benefit of no one actually getting hurt.

McCain has become the far more interesting candidate: his emotional, kneejerk responses; his erratic campaign turns; his stunting in pursuit of a continual re-start.

McCain has been the entertainment of the season, but most likely won't be the next president.
Sen Obama and his campaign staff have run a brilliant campaign. With very few misteps, mostly of a minor nature, they have woven a quilt of decency, goodwill and focus on their goal.

Consequently, his support has continued to grow from those first days when there were many sceptics, to a small army of admirers and supporters.

I have been one of those long time supporters in every way one can think of, through time, money and advocacy. Yesterday, I mailed my ballot and felt a great sense of pride in voting for Sen. Obama. I feel a part of history in doing so.

To everyone yet to vote, please do so early if possible, but VOTE.   Don't be fooled by the polls, they are just a momentary snapshot.  WE NEED EVERY VOTE,  to help make the dream come true.
God...I cannot wait until this is over.  I think tonight...I will have a glass of White Wine before the debate...last time I had Red.
It's funny, no mention of ISSUES

Will the candidates offer meaningful and thoughtful PLANS to solve the economic problems ?

What are the DIFFERENCES in their plans ?

Which plans are likely to work ?
Which policies ?

There's an economy that needs 'shakin' up and fixin''
Right, First Read ?
Tonight's debate is a waste!!!  I've already voted and it wasn't for McBush/Governor of a state with only 670K+ and the experience of Hockey Mom with Lipstick.

GO OBAMA/BIDEN !!!

A RABID REPUBLICAN NOW FOR OBAMA/BIDEN
Obama is just heads above McNasty and his hateful campaign.  So cool that Obama is on national cable tv on so many channels.  I see his ads regularly here in CA on MSNBC, the Science Channel and Comedy Central.  I sure don't see McNasty on tv and that's a good thing.

It should be easier for the Ancient Panderer tonight as he gets to sit down.  But will he be able to look Obama in the eye and mention Ayers?  If he does Obama will shut him down and then mention a few of McNasty's dubious friends.

Looks like the markets are going to drop and give Obama more headwind against McNasty.  His mentor "Wrong" Bush was on tv today again and that's going to hurt him as people equate him with the worst president in history.

Go Obama/Biden 08/12!
I do think this debate tonight will be a little bit more exciting simply because McCain has to make it so. He is looking at his final opportunity to present a focused economic agenda that has been missing these past three weeks in his campaign. Obama, on the other hand has been focused like a laser beam on the economy and it has proven to be beneficial to his campaign.

I do wish that we could have had another VP debate simply because we simply don't know what Sarah Palin stands for. Yes, she can deliver red meat to the base but can she put together an unscripted sentence? Not so far.

OBAMA/BIDEN
anybody doing the "my friends" meter tonight..
If McCain says "my friends more that six times I think we can say he feels like he's losing to
"that one" again...
"Of course, the moderator might be the one to bring up Ayers"
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Then the moderator should alos bring up McCain's relationship to convicted Watergate felon G. Gordon Liddy, which is ongoing to this very day, unlike Obama's association with Ayers.

Conservative Chicago Tribun columnist is the ONLY main stream journalist who's had the courage to cover this story:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-oped0504chapmanmay04,0,6061828.column

And so-called journalists wonder why "main stream media" has become a derogatory term.

Schaeffer, who's moderating the debate, is also the guy who started the phony controversy about Wesley Clark's common-sense response to Schaeffer's own question asking whether flying airplanes is a qualificaiton to be president. Shaeffer feigned indignation when Clark answered in that it was not a qualification.

It will be interesting to see how impartial Schaeffer is. I'm sure it will be a struggle for him since he's biased for McCain, as are most wealthy big-name talking heads who stand to lose their Bush tax cut if Obama wins.
Lobbying and Donation Regulations (Change Lobbying Process)

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=14705&can_id=53270

McCain voted NO

He does like Lobbyist
I can't wait to see McFossil blow it, again, tonight. I hope he tries to make this a character issue and gets very angry tonight. Obama has shown over and over again that he possesses the qualities most want to see in their president....the calm, cool, collected guy we have seen in the past two debates compared to the old, confused, angry war monger that McCain seems to be. Won't be any different tonight either; McCain IS who he seems.....an old, out of touch, right wing puppet that the base has to absorb until Nov. 5th at least; although SOME seem to bailing ship prior to the election (Gov Christ from Fl to name one who went to Disneyland instead of campagining for McFossil) Wouldn't want to be you tonight, John, that's all I know. Good luck tonight President Obama!    Obama/Biden '08/'12
As usual, it's a no-win situation for John McCain.  If he brings up Bill Ayers, he gives Barack Obama a national stage on which to debunk the lies, once and for all.  If the topic does not come up, then McCain again looks like a coward after threatening a "you-know-what" whipping, and not following-through.  

Mercifully, this will be the last time we have to watch Senator McCain try to "reinvent" himself before a TV audience.  What version of "Maverick" are we up to now, anyway, also?
Hurricane Katrina Tax Benifit Bill

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=V3706&can_id=53270

McCain Said No
Obama  Said Yes

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=V3622&can_id=53270

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=V3614&can_id=53270

the past but the real recent past...John McCain putting the "Country First"..NOT!
rush slimeballs operatives, you know those types who reregistered as dems to vote in dem primaries to cause problems, are the moles who joined acorn to cause registration problems and try and screw up the election, how UN-AMERICA is that??
How sad that you all are so blind.  Try seeing the forest for the trees and realize what path we will go down (and it is DOWN) with an unchecked agenda by the Dem party.  Oh, I forgot...Obama adverts are painted on those trees so it is hard to see past them.  Our country was built on the right to choose, and we are on the precipice of voting that right away.  Don't complain later about the choices you make today.  I won't listen.
We need our next president with has good quality. That has Mr.Obama. No question about it.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=15&entry_id=31517

I hope Americans can see beyond the skin color.  We need to gain our respect back as a united country, whites, blacks, asians, latins, europeans, muslims, which makes this country GREAT ...  GO OUT and VOTE, and VOTE with your HEART>
All I can say is I hope all of you have good memories and as much to say after a few years into the new Prez' term.  NO ONE EVER accomplishes (during their term...)the campaign rhetoric/promise that was simply to get your vote.  You might get a bone here and there thrown your way, but you are so easily deceived on 'promises' at this stage.  Where is all this gumption and adamancy when it comes to demanding ethics, truth, character, integrity, et al, in our candidates BEFORE an election???  Remember, the candidates are only a reflection of the times you are in. He is not going to 'fix' what you are also representing and condoning. Personally, I think it's high time we set our sights alot higher than either of the candidates have shown thus far.....
I am proud of my Vote, Obama, can they say that?
So, Obama is "New" and "Change?" Do we need to remind folks that the Democrats have been in control of congress for six years? A congress which by the way has a lower approval rating than Bush. If Obama is about "Change," how often has he voted against his party in his short time as a Senator? If the answer is "rarely" or "never," then how is he "change?"
In Obama''''s own words:"I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance against my mother''''s race...it remained necessary to prove which side you were on,to show your loyalty to the black masses,to strike out and name names."..from "Dreams from My Father".(Which may as well be,"Lies From My Father",as it appears the "ghostwriter" may be none other than Bill Ayers.) The second quote comes from,"The Audacity of Hope":"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." Some people just might find those comments more than a little racially tinged.
To all of you Republicans who think McCain will ever do anything for the middle class think again. If anyone on Social Security is against Democrats give back your next check because ROOSEVELT got that for you and while you are at it turn in your Mediare card as John Kennedy got that for you.


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