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Lieberman: 'We turned the corner'

Posted: Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:31 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC/NJ’s Adam Aigner-Treworgy

DOWINGTON, Pa. -- At a rally this afternoon, Joe Lieberman not only declared McCain the winner of last night's debate, but he also said that the victory would change the course of his friend's campaign.

"We turned the corner in the debate last night didn't we?," Lieberman asked over 1,000 people gathered at a sports complex here. "We changed the momentum. We're on the road to victory in Pennsylvania and through all America."

For his part, McCain said he thought he did "pretty well," but he said that Joe the Plumber was the real winner.

"Joe's the man," McCain said. "He won and small businesses won across America. They won because the American people are not going to let Senator Obama raise their taxes in a tough economy. They're not gonna let him do it my friends."

Recounting the story he told last night and the day before on the campaign trail about Obama's interaction with Joe, McCain criticized what he said was Obama's message to Joe, namely that the government should "spread his wealth around."

"He wants government to take Joe's money and give it to somebody else, his hard-earned dollars," McCain said of his opponent. "We're not going to stand for that. America didn't become the greatest nation on earth by spreading the wealth, we became the greatest nation on earth by creating new wealth."

Saying that he feels the government is not doing enough to help people stay in their homes, McCain again criticized Obama's healthcare policy for creating a fine that will kill jobs and make mortgages more burdensome. He also referenced Obama's words on offshore drilling from last night, saying that America has had "enough consideration" and needs to drill offshore now.

While praising the Philadelphia Phillies for securing their first World Series berth since 1993, McCain also defended his Philadelphia area supporters.

"You know there has been some comments about people who come our rallies, I cannot tell you how proud I am of all of you," McCain said. "I cannot tell you how proud I am, every working man and woman who's here, every family member."

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What is his problem? Is he out of a job or something?
Er....McCain, did you not hear Obama last night? Maybe somebody should show you the youtubes: Obama's not raising taxes on small businesses. Capital gains taxes? ZERO. Get some informed droogs for once.
Yeah Joe!!  You have Obama just where you want him.

Where are the 20,000 supporters... only a 1000 showed up? Guess they couldn't wait to see the "winner".  Actually, what the American people saw last night was one angry old man.
Joe's a bum doing plumbing work without a license, behind in on his Ohio state taxes and the pawn in the failed campaign of John McCain!  What a circus act!  btw:  Joe is a registered republican
What corner? The corner from the kitchen to the bathroom?
Joe Lieberman is a disgrace and a Traitor to the Amrican people. He think Ah John will pick him as VP.
I don't think the GOP trust him, his job now is to suck-up to Ah John. GOP. (Group of Pussy-----cat)
Joe, you wont get job with John and your done here in CT.
Joe LIEBERMAN is just very stupid
Is Joe Leiberman for real???
Lieberman is banking on a Secretary of Defense post in a McCain Administration or else he has nothing to go back to in the Senate as a Party Traitor.
What an idiot.
He better hope so because he is in trouble after the election if Obama wins.
I am so tired of Republican lies about taxes.  

Most small business owners that I know do not make 250,000 a year.  Remember that is a net amount, not gross.  Senator McCain says he is different than George Bush but he is using the same scare tactics that worked for George Bush.

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE TAXABLE INCOME OF MORE THAN 250,000 BARACK OBAMA WILL GIVE YOU A TAX CUT !!!!
(that's your final income after deductions)

As for Joe the Plumber either he earns more than 250,000 a year or he really doesn't earn that much & would benefit more from Senator Obama's plan.  
 
We Americans need to start looking at our tax returns, see what we really pay in taxes & pay attention to what the candidates plans really are.  

Don't fall for John McCain's lies.
Perhaps I'm now hearing things that aren't there, but please check out this clip of McCain's rally today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7jXorZSQ8c

At 6:10 of the clip, a woman yells either "Kill Obama" or "Go Obama", but I guess the former because she seems to get a good reaction from the crowd (and I wouldn't think a go Obama chant would garner that at a McCain rally.

What do you think?
Lieberman is right.  McCain turned the corner and he should really enjoy the next several weeks knowing he is not going to have to worry about governing America.  I honestly think it should be a relief for him.  Maybe he can calm down a little.  He turned the corner and it is all down hill for him now.  

Obama should garner at least 360 electoral votes and win in a landslide.  Sarah in 2012?  Probably not. I suspect she will continue to see Alaska from her front porch, but not likely to ever live in a house that has a name in Washington DC.

A really big side benefit from this election is that since McCain ran on the Hannity platform of attack and smear, and none of it worked, Hannity will probably fade away as well.  Hey, Shawn, did you ever think to point out that Obama is black?  Oh, yes.  I guess you did.
Obama clearly won last nights debate despite a slow start. John McCain decided to focus his attention on "Joe the Plumber", Bill Ayers, and a number of lies and misrepresentations about Obama's policies. John McCain has proven through the course of this election that he cares more about becoming president than how he becomes president. He will resort to lies, dirty tactics, and personal attacks in order to win. John McCain has become an angry old man who doesn't deserve to lead our great nation.
Dream on!!  Liarman

Let's see, we have Joe Six empty packets, Joe no license plumber and now Joe Lyberman (as in Liarbetheman).
"We turned the corner..."  Is the corner like the bridge to nowhere?
You may not like "spreading the wealth," but what the heck does McCain think the progressive income tax structure does? I have not seen McCain out their campaigning for the flat tax.
I want what Liebermann is drinking. I saw a very angry and bitter old man last night. His name is John McCain. And, envoking "Joe the Plumber" twelve times was rather bizarre, especially since Joe would fare better under Obama's plan. That is when Joe, the Plumber, actually becomes a plumber, and purchase his employer's company.

As for Liebermann.....Remember Zig Zag Zell [Miller]!
Now there ya go again Joe Lieberman, talking like a dope, sounding like, well... Palin the boob - CLUELESS!  Yup, McCain turned the corner alright, he's headed on the road to nowhere.
John McCain did very well in the debate last night. My support is totally for McCain/Palin 08
McCain is erratic and Lieberman has a screw loose.
How can you tell John McCain is lying?  His lips are moving.
Ole John, my friends, is not being honest. It seems that Joe the plumber is not a plumber, but a contractor.  He lives in a very modest house and makes only $40,000 a year and would pay lower taxes under President Obama.  He's not buying anybody's business and btw is also a registered republican.
The republican's trickle down economy is a disaster and that McCain is still pushing it is unbelieveable.  The American people are not being fooled this time.  Not this year, not this election.
godspeed Obama.

 
Please forward this email to Barack Obama. I wish to explain to Obama the meaning of his first name in the Arabic language. Names in the Arabic language, generally speaking, have a meaning. Barack in the Arabic language means The Blessed One. I hope he knows that already, but if he does not, now he does.
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OBAMA'S LEAD IN THE MEDIA POLLS HAS BEEN A FAIRYTALE !!!

GALLUP's 'traditional' likely voter model shows Obama with a two-point advantage over McCain on Thursday, 49% to 47%, this is within poll's margin of error... Developing...

THE ONLY WAY OBAMA CAN WIN IS IF THE MEDIA DISCOURAGES MCCAIN SUPPORTERS FROM VOTING.

GET OUT THE VOTE =-== VOTE MCCAIN & PALIN.  DON'T LET THE MEDIA ELECT OBAMA!
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They have turned the corner all right. Our troops are fighting in Iraq for democracy; it seems as though we are in need of it here in the United State.
Why are those supporters acting like they don't have any sense or morals? Why is the Republican party standing behind McCain/Palin's campagin? In all my years, I have not seen any campagin like this one. I have not seen people act this way, I heard about it but did not see. And to see grown people like worse than children; and why? People need to face the truth about this situation or campagin. McCain/Palin and their supporters are full of evilness. And it shows when you look at  their faces. To incite riots, insults, and violence is not what a campagin should be about. Am I missing the point somewhere. This campagin is the lowest from the Republican party. It was bad when they stole votes from the last election and declared Bush as President. It was a joke to them, and then you wonder why our country is suffering. Bush is not only the blame; so are those that elected him into office. McCain says people are angry, with reasons; but why must he make they angrier with all the lies. It be different if McCain/Palin was telling the truth. Beware of wolves in sheep clothing: they are not what you think they are. McCain/Palin, camp, and republicans should be held liable; if anyone becomes hurt or injured behind McCain/Palin's behavior. This has gone on far enough and before the 2 weeks is over, someone may get seriously hurt. And someone need to be held responsible. Turning what corner?
John McCain feels that if he repeats unfactual statements enough that they'll magically become facts.  The only people that that appeals to are the people that are already going to vote for him.  He just needs to get his life together.  He's absolutely exhasuting, and dont let me get started on Sarah.  
Lieberman is speaking in front of these bloodthirsty McCain-Palin crowds now?? Wow he's sold out even more than I thought.
The news cycle spins fast.

At tonight's Al Smith dinner McCain apologized to Joe for bringing his tax lien, $40,000 income, and lack of a plumber's license to national attention.  Poor Joe the plumber. He'd be better off under Obama's tax plan.  And given his lien from unpaid hospital bills, better off under Obama's health plan.

Oh.  And Joe the Plumber HATES Social Security.

Maybe he better find a nice overpass and a refrigerator box.  Because now that John McCain pointed the State of Ohio at him, he may be in a world of hurt.
McCain needs to talk about our current crisis.  He needs to tell us what he will do to restore our retirement accounts, our jobs, and our childrens' future.  

He really shouldn't spend any more time on that poor man who apparently lied about his income and his future and doesn't understand taxes.  It just highlights the fact that McCain himself doesn't seem to understand taxes.
Liberman is an idiot. Turn the corner my a$$. McCain's presidnetial ambitions come to an end on November 4.

Obama/Biden '08
Lieberman is an idiot, and the dem's oughta kick him out of their party onto his sorry John mcCain loving a$$
McCain, Joe isn't really his name.  
McCain, "Joe" isn't really a plumber
McCain, "Joe" is not going to buy the business
McCain, The plumbing business doesn't make 1/4 of a million.
McCain  Someone told "Joe" to go to a rally and Obama was there...he said so..
McCain  "Joe" is well known on the Conservative Right-wing Radio Talk Shows.
McCain...remember "Joe"  you Planted him.
Lieberman has no character and Democrats should kick him  out. A lifelong opportunist, a fair weather friend who is doing a disservice to his religion.Does he really think that Palin would make a good president. That is scary.
A guy Joe the Plumber who isnt a plumber and who doesn't earn over $250,000 a year as he claimed, but is a tax evader and earns a tax break under Obama's plan? How does he win under McCain's tax plan? The guy was a plant by the McCain campaign, and the American people have been lied to again for the sake of scoring political brownie points.
I thought the "true" McCain peaked back out at the last debate. The honorable, humble, and sincere.
I think this "angry" thing is really created by media, and Obama supporters now love to say it on TV.
I do agree, Obama is the ice, and McCain is the fire when compared side by side on the screen.
If any undecided voters who liked McCain from years ago, but not really from this campaign, seeing this debate might have been enough to convince themselves to vote for McCain. They (true undecided who were going to vote for Obama because he's winning on the poll and "change" candidate and seems very intelligent, but also liked McCain's experience / qualification and his character from years ago) just needed a little piece of "old" McCain to come out.
McCain had to do what he had to do to get his nomination from GOP.
I am undecided. I would feel pretty good with either of these candidates. I do think Obama will be better at the job as a president, but if McCain will surround himself with very intelligent advisers and intelligent people from left of his party where he really belongs, then he will be just fine, too.
I don't understand how obvious disgust for your counterpart in a debate, eyerolling, deep sighs and mock surprise eyebrow raising during a rebuttal puts the debate win in the Republican corner. It is hard to imagine McCain across the table doing all this in a foreign policy meeting with a head of state that he disagrees with. It is much easier to imagine Obama in the same venue. The world calls for steady leadership, not histrionical posturing and name calling.
Were you watching the debate Joe Lieberman, the ex-democrat, Barak won, McCain looked like a crotchety man, shaking his cane at the young.
I think it's time the Democratic Party finally sever its relationship with Joe Lieberman. His chair of a major Senate committee soley on the fiction that he sides with Democrats is laughable. I'm sure there is plenty of room for him in the Maverick Party of John McCain and Sarah Palin - a proven scary group for any renegade Senator to associate with. What are they all smokin' to conclude that they have "turned the corner"?
As a FL ex-pat from CT, I have to say this... Joe Lieberman was someone that I always voted for and thought very well of, until I saw him hovering over John McCain's shoulders and paying him such fawning lip service.  He went from a peace-loving guy to a hawk.  He became an 'independent', though he is no such thing.  He's a McCain syncophant, a
Republican wanna-be and a disgrace to the Democratic Party.

I have always tried to balance my vote between smarts and a good heart, and did cast my vote for Joe Leiberman in the past.  But as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I'm ashamed that I ever supported him and appalled that he used the Democratic Party as a stepping-stone to becoming what he is today -- a pathetic follower of aggressive war-mongerers and doomed policies.

Unfortunately, the only corner that's been turned for Leiberman is his shift to right-wing attitudes that have brought this country disrespect and scorn, economic failure and risk of financial ruin, and massive loss of precious lives.  It's questionable that he even understands what he has truly accomplished in ruining his standing among those that truly, deeply love this country and want peace and prosperity rather than reaping derision and failure.

Leiberman is no longer a leader.  He's just another sheep in the fold, bleating the same old Republican bleat.

If only there was a way to take all of the effort, consideration and approval that I've given him and put it where it belongs - behind someone that understands that the future belongs to those willing to stand against the destructive policies that Leiberman touts.

He'll just have to finish his term, skulking the halls of government, unwanted, not taken seriously by either party.  He's now a favorite Republican pet - the little dog yapping at their feet for some attention and a few table scraps, untouchable and suffering from mange.  Perhaps that's best.

When mccain turned the corner, did it break liberman's nose.
Did you know that the political party formed in 2006 for Joe Lieberman to run for the senate once he lost the democratic nomination (Connecticut for Lieberman) has endorsed Barack Obama for president?

The party says that they plan to field a candidate to run against Lieberman if he chooses to run for re-election in 2012.
Lieberman is Jewish to the best of my knowledge,An I feel this guy would Support A.Hitler,Akmood Ididinagod ?? Or any other terrorist or not if he thought he could get a cabinet post from it in some govt someplace. This guy should have his Named changed to Benedict A...
an move to AZ
AS WE HAVE ALL SEEN ON TV, "JOE THE PLUMBER" IS "JOE THE BOGUS". SO, SHUT UP, MCCAIN! BY THE WAY, YOU DID GOOD IN DELIVERING YOUR JOKES AT THE AL SMITH FOUNDATION LAST NIGHT. MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE YOU YOURSELF IS SUCH A BIG JOKE!
Joe Lieberman keeps the KoolAid company in business. Well, all Republicans do.

Whatever. This race's over.
Yes you did turn the corner, Joe, you took a right, right out the door of the majority party caucus.
Hopefully in a few more weeks Mr. Lieberman's long-term prospects as a senator will go down in flames along with Mr. McCain's presidential ambitions, and hopefully he won't have to hear that nasal, whiny voice any more.
McCain said : " America didn't become the greatest nation on earth by spreading the wealth" . . .
REALLY ? To a large degree, isn't FOREIGN AID the same thing ?  Except that we are GIVING it away to OTHER COUNTRIES,  and NOT to our OWN People !  I'm not advocating an isolationist agenda, but lets be clear about
"spreading the wealth" !

BTW . . .  I could of voted for John McCain.  I consider myself an independent, I vote for the candidate not the party.  
but for his incredibly BAD choice for a running mate -- aka -- Dick Cheney in a skirt and wearing lipstick his hyprocrisy, and his lies, half-truths, mis-statements, and of course his INCREDIBLY BAD, smear tactics on running THE most negative campaign I can ever remember.  
He keeps bringing up Bill Ayers.  What if -- just WHAT IF,  W H A T  I F there REALLY IS NOTHING MORE TO THIS !!   McCain keeps saying Obama needs to *come clean* about it.  Well, maybe, just maybe there is NOTHING to come clean about !!
There is something seriously wrong with Joe Lieberman's character. Here, in this most historic of elections, a lifelong Democrat has decided to throw his support behind the other team. I wonder if the Democratic voters of Conn. would have sent him back to the Senate two years ago if they had known what a Benedict Arnold turncoat he would become. It's very doubtful.

The Democrats in the Senate should literally turn their backs on Lieberman whenever they see him coming and force him to declare himself a rethuglican. We don't need this kind of traitor in our party.

Turned the corner my A$$. Does Lieberman watch TV? Seen any polling numbers lately idiot????


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