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Joe? Where did you go?

Posted: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:08 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC/NJ's Adam Aigner-Treworgy


DEFIANCE, Ohio -- "Where is Joe? Is Joe here with us today?"

That's the question John McCain asked roughly 6,000 people at Defiance Junior High School here this morning, But the correct answer was no -- Joe the Plumber was nowhere to be found.

There are conflicting reports about where or when or if Joe will appear with McCain at some point during his two-day bus tour of Ohio, but the candidate clearly thought that he was meeting him here in Defiance, the first stop on the tour.

Video: At an Ohio rally, Sen. John McCain calls out to 'Joe the plumber'  but Joe wasn't there, so he tells the audience, "you're all Joe."

While riffing on a common line from his stump speech about Obama's desire to "spread the wealth," McCain confidently proclaimed, "Joe's with us today. Joe where are ya? Where is Joe? Is Joe here with us today? Joe, I thought you were here today."

Then the senator covered up for Joe's absence by saying, "All right, well you're all Joe the Plumber. So all of ya stand up ,and say I thank you." McCain went on to say that he had seen Joe on TV this morning, and he asked the crowd to "give him a round of applause for what he's done for America.

McCain also hit Obama on some comments he made to ABC's Charlie Gibson last night when asked if he had thought about what he would do after November 4th if he lost. "Last night, Sen. Obama said that if he lost he would return to the Senate and try again in four years with a second act. That sounds like a great idea to me. Let's help him make it happen."

But Obama didn't tell Gibson that he'd make another White House run; he said he looked forward returning to the Senate and working with the next president and Congress.

"Look," Obama said, "when I started this campaign we were the longest of long shots, and Michelle and I were extraordinarily happy before I started running. And I'm a relatively young man. Ya know, they say there are no second acts in politics, but I think there are enough exceptions out there, that I could envision returning to the Senate and just doing some terrific work with the next President and next Congress."

A local school district official confirmed after the event that of the 6,000 people estimated by the fire marshal to be in attendance this morning, more than 4,000 were bused in from schools in the area. The entire 2,500-student Defiance School District was in attendance, the official said, in addition to at least three other schools from neighboring districts, one of which sent 14 buses.

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This goes out to the Veteran who's for Obama....
67 year old white male, Veteran of Vietnam (2 tours) 8 years in the United States Marine Corps, Retired Chicago Firemen after 33 years, Retired down to Florida living the good life...and I'm for McCain!!
Chicago Fireman, Republican
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36 year old white male, 16yrs US Army Airborne Infantryman, 1SG, 4 tours in Iraq & Afghanistan, and still active. Former Republican, now Independant voting for Obama. Thanks for your service, but dont call out your Devil Dog Brother like that, we all shed our blood on foreign soil for this country.
As a lifelong Democrat, I am ashamed of The Democratic Party for engaging in this kind of "accusatory politics." This is the very sort of thing we complained about when the RepubliCANTS did it to Bill Clinton.
J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY (Sent Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:33 AM


First of all, it's gr8 to see you're kicking up there in your State of denial, J. Merle. You may very well be a Lifelong Democrat, however, your Judgement is still clouded from Hillary's loss in the Primaries. I also saw where H P from Boston, decided to come out of the closet to post a couple days ago. It must be real sad for you 2 right about now, not being able to let go of losing, since Hillary & Bill both have moved onto Elect the best Candidate for President, Barack Obama.
America will chose a new President in 5 days. I think it'll be real surprising to see the # of Republicans who defect from Mccain for one reason, His pick of Sarah Palin as VP. Commonsense voter's know that in No way is ready to be a Heartbeat away from President. That's why this election is gonna be a Landslide for Barack & Joe. It may have been a little closer if he had Not chosen this Incompetent from Alaska.
The American Electorate was chosen to vet her, because McCain chose Not to.O well, His Mistake, not our's !

Delusional Thinking By Commonsense Voter's Is Over !

Now if only VAN would comeback & grace 1st Read with a Post, Van where are You !
Is McCain losing more than the election? I think he's lost his marbles!
Students being bused in? Hmmm...what about those students who don't want to be at a McCain rally? Shameful.
HA HA HA!
I wonder what else he said to an audience composed mostly of school children??
They bused them in?  Did they pay them to be there too?  
Guess what McFool? Joe the Fraud is too busy with his publist to care about your rallies. Or maybe he was busy busing the schoolkids that were naughty and had to attend the rally as punishment.  What a dork.

Thanks for giving me a laugh this morning.
My Lord! Even Joe the plumber has ditched McCain. I think its because John hugged W. real hard and got too close to him and hes got a plague of some kind. Thats what happens to ANYONE who gets to close to Georgie-your life turns to poop!!
Joe 'the Plumber' is the biggest FRAUD and OPPORTUNIST.   How much is the McCain campaign paying him??

Watch out that Republicans are going to try to steal this election.    Kudos to Donna from Charlottesville, Virginia in today's 'First Thoughts' section.   She advised taking your cell phone with you to take a picture of your vote.   Democrats --- we may have to go to Court again.

Everyone who supports Obama (young and old alike, black and white alike) ----- GET OUT AND VOTE.

Throw these liars and cheats out!!!

OBAMA/BIDEN '08

LOL!
they have to bus kids from other schools to show SOME kind of support! pathetic!
not even Joe the plumber shows up!


OBAMA/BIDEN 08/12 AND 12/16
Maybe Joe finally realized how much more Obama'a tax plan would save him...
Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with... geometric logic... that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox DID exist, and I'd have produced that key if they hadn't of pulled the Caine out of action. I, I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow officers...
A "top level" McCain spokesman, speaking on the condtion of anonymity, stated:

"Joe the Plumber is a diva and a whack job.  The only way he's getting back on the Straight Talk Express is if Leiberman backs up the toilets again."
So he didn't even have a voting audience?
McBUSH is OVER... he can't even draw a crowd.... the students had to be bused in!!! His prop Joe the lying Plummer didn't even show!!!

VOTE FOR SOMEONE SMARTER THAN YOU OR ME.

VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN NOW!!!   MY WIFE AND I ALREADY HAVE!!!

A RABID REPUBLICAN, VIETNAM-ERA VET, FAT, OLD, PREJUDICED WHITE GUY NOW FOR OBAMA/BIDEN
<<"That sounds like a great idea to me.">>

If anybody knows about great ideas, it's John McCain.

After all, look at his campaign.  And cringe.
First he doesn't know where he is

Then he doesn't know how to get off the stage.

NOW he doesn't know where Joe is.

McCain is losing MORE than just this election.  

                           Obama/Biden '08/'12!
Joe/Sam or whatever you want to call him. Had better be back at work! He needs the money as much as anyone, because he has back taxes to pay, and many traffic tickets to finally get paid off. Joe needs to educate himself quickly on the correct facts concerning this election. Old Joe is going to be much poorer under "Insane McCain" and "Dizzy Diva." With their continuation of the Bush/McCain tax/economic policies. "Joe the Joke!"
Joe the Plumber was on direct feed to Fox & Friends this morning and he nailed Obama in a very articulate, soft-spoken pounding. Joe doesn't appear to be afraid of anything, including Obama's investigation into his past. Of Obama's people, he said "they've even gone through my trash." Figures.
Wow, you've got to feel sorry for McCain. First his "Joe, the plumber" pulls a no-show, then to fill the seats, he's got to bus in students from the area. Poor guy.


Old man needs hearing aid and brain transplant: Misquoting Obama agin (nuthin' new)- it's not selective hearing, but inaccurate hearing. Nothing like bussing in a few thousand kids who won't be able to vote to beef up those crowds (although it IS a great civics lesson for the kids) and I would like McCain to delineate what exactly Joe the Plumber has done for the Country? Hmmm. . . .?
I agree with getting students involved in politics, but busing students in for a partisan political rally is not right, no matter whose rally it is.

Who make that decision, I wonder?
Day by day this guy is getting more ridiculous with his attempts to smear. Too little, too late. Wonder where he will be on Jan 21, 2009. We all know where Obama will be because we will see him on all of the national TV networks.
The gross domestic product declined in the third quarter.

America needs McCain like a leaking boat needs a tsunami.

Trusting McCain with the economy would be like going hunting with Dick Chaney.

America needs Obama.
"Don't talk to me about the poor.  Don't talk to me about the middle class.  I only look out for the rich.  Everybody else can fend for themselves." - John McCain.
LIARS, LIARS, LIARS, LIARS, LIARS, LIARS, LIARS, LIARS!
Undecided and other Republicans understand McCain and Plain are unable to understand the plight of those of us who are suffering. Even, if they can’t intelligently articulate it. Independent watchdog groups and mainstream media, fact checks, news papers and columnists are debunking UNPRECENDENTED numbers of smears and distortions

Can't the undecided and other Republicans see McCain for what he is, an extension of Bush/Cheney?  McCain's campaign, itself said if we talk about the economy we're going to lose.. .So they attack Obama via Fox News (real McCain Headquarters) especially that stupid Sean Hannity and Sarah Palin.  

An ad relating to doubts about his foreign policy with eerie music in the background demands of LA Times releasing a tape suggests, according to McCain and Palin, has Obama links to Palestine terriosm. Yet, McCain gave this Palestine American’s organization funds.
The middle class needs tax cuts because middle class shape public opinion and create jobs, and grow family incomes. No more layoffs and outsourcing is what the majority of the middle class wants as evidenced by Obama’s lead in the polls… that would be Joe the nurse, writer, beautician, telephone operator, teacher, manager, administrative aide, baker customer service rep, and Joanne the police woman plus all the other Joes and Joannes.

Don't boo, vote!
Be with McCain and get more of the same last 8 years for 4 more years.

Beverly, the decision maker
Vote EARLY for self and country.
Vote Obama/Biden

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Jimmy C (Sent Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:15 PM)
Is McCain losing more than the election? I think he's lost his marbles!
Jimmy C,
YES



"A local school district official confirmed after the event that of the 6,000 people estimated by the fire marshal to be in attendance this morning, more than 4,000 were bused in from schools in the area. The entire 2,500-student Defiance School District was in attendance, the official said, in addition to at least three other schools from neighboring districts, one of which sent 14 buses."
Hello Joe? Joe? J-Joe, Are you out there?  Is this thing on?  Geez I'm dyin up here...

Hey Mccain, next time saw a girl in half if you want to entertain your crowd with nonsense.  Joe's too busy working on a Country Album.  

Hey Joe, I got title for your album.   Call it "The Drunken Redneck lyin' taxdodger blues"

The Bush Treasury Department approach of using the bailout funds to help banks buy other banks means reduced competition among lenders and, therefore, higher interest rates.
Of course the students want to go to the rally-- any reason is a good one for a day off school.  And how else is McCain going to get enough people there?  Force them to go-- never mind they're too young to vote.
Joe's not there, he's working on the lyrics to his first song...entitled  "How I suckered McCain into thinkin'I was Republicain"

I am so sick and tired of hearing about this deadbeat taxpayer Joe the Neo Nazi Skinhead Plumber!  He belongs in prison until he pays his taxes!  He's just another creepy opportunist who is milking the McNasty campaign for all it's worth, and that's not much these days!

To Carrie Dann: AC/DC is not an arena band.  If you had a clue about AC/DC you'd know it's the world's greatest heavy metal headbanger band!  I almost puked my guts out this weekend watching on MSNBC tv as "Sinner" Sarah strutted out to the great AC/DC tune of "Thunderstruck".  She ought to use their song "Lawbreaker"!  "Felon" Ted Stevens is sure to be liking their hit tune "Jailbreak" now that he's a convicted felon.

I think that the new campaign song for the Democrats should be AC/DC's "Back in Black"!  I'm sure the repugnant ones are singing "Hell's Bells" as their Hate Talk Express has been "Thunderstruck" on it's "Highway to Hell"!

Go Obama/Biden 08/12!
i think McCain's has lost it...America might be choosing its first mentally retarded President & Veep if McCain-Palin get elected. No god will be able to bless america if these two get elected.
So he's got schools force-busing there 13 year olds to his events to fill 2/3 of the crowd? Does this man have no shame?
Every smart person knows that Every problem, and certainly every issue in case of campaigns can be turned into an Opportunity.  Let’s take the LA times/Khalidi tape for example. Imagine that McCain and camp make a big deal out it, and their call for the release of that tape catches enough momentum that it dominates the news cycle and all our curiosity is aroused enough to either worry about what is in the tape, and for McCain supporters to be really excited at the possibility of a game changer in the that tape.

Now imagine it is released and the truth comes out. They show exactly what happened, that Obama actually talked in favor of Israel and the need to find common ground and unity around the issue, while acknowledging the difficulty and sensitivity of the issue. Then they show where Obama in that tape says he that his support for Israel is non-negotiable.

Imagine how stupid and rich kid-like McCain will look for making a big deal out of nothing. Just like the stink he threw upon the bottoming out of the economic crisis.

I think this will happen, and it will create such a backlash at McCain as a divider that when Palin flies home to vote, she will refuse to re-join him in Arizona for the evening celebration where McCain has decided to snub his supporters by celebrating outside their hotel with his family and friends while the rest of the people will be in the hotel without direct access to him, and only able to see him through TV monitors. Why even attend.
>>>While riffing on a common line from his stump speech about Obama's desire to "spread the wealth," McCain confidently proclaimed, "Joe's with us today. Joe where are ya? Where is Joe? Is Joe here with us today? Joe, I thought you were here today."

>>>McCain also hit Obama on some comments he made to ABC's Charlie Gibson last night when asked if he had thought about what he would do after November 4th if he lost. "Last night, Sen. Obama said that if he lost he would return to the Senate and try again in four years with a second act. That sounds like a great idea to me. Let's help him make it happen."

But Obama didn't tell Gibson that he'd make another White House run; he said he looked forward returning to the Senate and working with the next president and Congress.
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Man, it's really embarrassing to see a person lose his marbles in front of an audience.


>>>A local school district official confirmed after the event that of the 6,000 people estimated by the fire marshal to be in attendance this morning, more than 4,000 were bused in from schools in the area. The entire 2,500-student Defiance School District was in attendance, the official said, in addition to at least three other schools from neighboring districts, one of which sent 14 buses.
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This is sad.  They have to bus people in just to get 6,000 when Obama can pull 150,000 by just showing up.

PHILLIES WIN THE WORLD SERIES YESTERDAY!  OBAMA ELECTED FOR PRESIDENT NEXT TUESDAY!  LIFE IS GOOD!

Obama/Biden '08!
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I thought Republicans were against the busing of students. :)
The gross domestic product declined in the third quarter.

America needs McCain like a leaking boat needs a tsunami.

Trusting McCain with the economy would be like going hunting with Dick Chaney.

America needs Obama.
This is beyond puzzling.  Further evidence that the McCain campaign is crumbling - how could they fail to confirm a much-hyped appearance like this?  I can't imagine how embarrassed McCain was when his ace-in-the-hole "Joe" didn't show up.

And no wonder I've seen so many cheerleaders and other young kids at the McCain/Palin rallies on TV...towns are basically sending their students to these rallies as a "field trip"!  I'm curious: if those students were polled after the rally, who do you think they'd be more likely to cast a ballot for?
Ew, John McCain.  I hope November 4th is SUCH a landslide victory for Obama, it'll make you and your pundits bury your head in the sand.

And I am NOT joe, omg I'm so sick of the NAME-THE-OCCUPATION banter. I am not a conservative liar who is stretching his 15 minutes out as long as possible by getting a book and record deal (are you kidding me?!)
So Joe must've missed the bus!
Didn't McCain get the memo?  Joe the P and Sarah the G have their own agenda and it doesn't look like it includes McCain the L.
This is just another example of Steve Schmidt/Nicole Wallace bungle.  It is due to their mismangement, not only are McCain/Palin behind, but Sarah Palin's image and reputation have been tarnished.  Sarah Palin is the future of the GOP, and if McCain loses, she is the logical choice to run in 2012.  Steve Schmidt and Nicole Wallace should do the honorable thing, and take responsibility for the attacks on Sarah Palin to mitigate the damage to her political future and the future of the GOP.  
Joe the Plumber has to be the lamest campaign stunt since Chicken George goaded GHWB into debating Clinton, only not as effective. He's no Joe, he's no plumber, he's not in the market to buy anybody's business, he get's a better tax break under Obama than McCain, he's in default on his actual taxes, and McCain thinks this is a winner? Keep up the great work 'Joe'. And John? Better get back to Arizona or you'll lose that, too.
Students being bused in? Hmmm...what about those students who don't want to be at a McCain rally? Shameful.

Seth - Jacksonville, FL
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my thoughts exactly.  gotta force kids to show up so he has a crowd... sounds like when the RNC was bribing fraternities and sorrorities to hold McCain signs at the debates to me...

no real support, so bribe people to make it look like support...
McCain really needs to vet the help. If you need a plumber don't call Joe 'cause hes not actually a plumber. If you just need someone to show up I guess he's not the guy either.When will McCain learn?
Maybe Joe actually had to do some work?  Or is he a member of the paid McCain campaign staff now or is that still on the down low?
Perhaps Joe realized he was just another pawn in the GOP kitchen sink strategy? or maybe it was about his book/record deal?
McCain needed a real strategy 6 months ago
not negative tactic after tactic
McCain really needs to vet the help. If you need a plumber don't call Joe 'cause hes not actually a plumber. If you just need someone to show up I guess he's not the guy either.When will McCain learn?
Mccain wants to run the country and can't even schedule his ''favorite toy'' properly???

I so look forward to the morning of Nov. 5th, 2008 when Obama steps up to the microphone, looks directly into the camera, and says...
"Hello America... I'm... 'Barack The President'!!!''


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