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Do guns still matter?

Posted: Thursday, November 06, 2008 5:16 PM by Carrie Dann


From NBC's Carrie Dann
During the Democratic primary, when Barack Obama told donors in San Francisco that "bitter" voters in hardscrabble Pennsylvania "cling to their guns and religion," the words rang like music in his political opponents' ears.  Obama foes hoped that the senator's inartful description of economically-strapped gun enthusiasts would cut his support from rural whites off at the knees.

The comment also put an exclamation point on Obama's record on guns, which has drifted to the center since his days as an Illinois state senator. As the general election heated up, the National Rifle Association announced an eye-popping $15 million ad campaign intended to serve as a loudspeaker for suspicions about Obama's alleged hidden intention to limit gun ownership.  

 But as the vote margins of the presidential race rolled in, the one-time wedge issue of the Second Amendment did not seem to pack the national-stage punch for which the influential gun lobby had aimed. Nationally, gun owners broke for McCain by almost the identical margin that they broke for Bush in 2004.  But in the states where the NRA Political Victory Fund's toughest efforts against Obama were concentrated -- gun-rich regions in states like Colorado, Pennsylvania, and New Mexico -- Obama’s victory was decisive. The Democratic nominee won those states by eight, 11, and 15 points, respectively.  Of the 11 states where the NRA's anti-Obama ads were reportedly aired, McCain won only one: Texas.

Down the ballot, the NRA backed all six of the Republican Senate candidates who lost to Democratic challengers. And in several high-profile House contests, NRA-backed candidates like Ed Tinsley, Bill Sali, Steve Chabot, and Phil English came up short.

But the ballot results also showed that advocacy of gun rights served as a cache calling card for some successful conservative Democrats. Many of the centrist Dems who fared well on Tuesday -- like Bobby Bright (AL-02), Harry Teague (NM-02), John Boccieri (OH-16) and Debbie Halvorson (IL-11) -- have high ratings from the NRA.

(Halvorson even won their endorsement. But three other Democrats in competitive races who received endorsements from the NRA – Don Cazayoux  (LA-06), Tim Mahoney (FL-16), and Nick Lampson (TX-22) -- lost their reelection bids.)

Gun control activists like Paul Helmke, the president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, believe that the Supreme Court's recent decision in Heller v. District of Columbia, which affirmed gun ownership as an individual right, assuaged gun owners' fears about having "their guns taken away," reducing some of the Second Amendment's bite as a wedge issue.

The apparent lack of salience of gun rights and other social issues may be due, in large part,  to the deafening wave of economic woes that dominated voters' decision-making this cycle.  Still, the influence of the once-dominant gun lobby appears to be up for debate, at least until the 2010 election.

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Try taking peoples guns away Barack. They'll give them to you. Not sure which end they'll lead with though.
With this attitude, 2010 is shaping up to be a very good year, for the Republicans.
Try taking the guns away Barack. Then let us know if you still think they don't matter.
Frankly, I think that the NRA does this on purpose. The last time the NRA got scared was when Clinton was in office. Look what that done for gun sales!!!!! The end result is that you could still get pre-ban 30, 40, 50+ magazines for auto and semi-auto weapons. I love my weapons very much, also. I just do not believe in using scare tactics to sell guns and accessories. I think it is a sales gimmick.
Oh, you betcha!
Now that the election has passed, I'm gonna say it! I totally got what President elect Obama meant and that is, when a voter is feeling jaded and disenfranchised, that voter is gonna stick to their basic values, not necessarily the current issues. When you're not being listened to, "vote with what you know" is what he was conveying. That may seem simplistic, but it's the truth. It wasn't an insult but a recognizing of their frustrations.
Although I'm thrilled to have a democrat in office, I do not support Obama's attitude toward gun control. When gun control is implimented, it creates just as much crime as it claims to stop. Look at the United Kingdom for example. As a victim of car theft and home invasion, I believe I have the right to defend myself. I have a permit, and carry my handgun responsibly. When handguns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have them.
NBC has done more for Obama than call North Carolina in his favor. And no one gets fooled by MSNBC, which came in dead last in the election ratings.
My God People get a grip! He said he wanted smart gun control. I do not think people need to have anything other than hunting rifles, target practice pistols. Not assault rifles!!!! What the hell do you want with that?
Guns and religion. Isn't that what Obama said? Whay a deadhead we're gonna have for a president.

Bush kept us safe. Obama will ruin this country and the people in it.
Does butter still matter?
Hell yes, guns still matter.  
I'm a lib, I'm a Dem, I'm a maggot infested fool, according to Rush Screwbaugh, but I really, really, do support the 2nd ammendment, and the need to be able to fully protect myself, family, and property from who-knows-what threat(s).  INCLUDING Evangelicals, should they ever become so boldended to think they can force me to accept their way of thinking.
President-elect Barack Obama knows the Second Amendment.  He’s a constitutional scholar. Personally, I don’t want other Virginia tech massacre or columbine. Those lying scare tactics backfired. But, the persons who really lost it for McCain, besides the uneducated, flusy, Sarah Palin, they were Greta and stupid Hannity inundating the air waves with ugly, hateful ads constantly.  
Congressman Rahm Emanuel or Rambo won't let anyone pull the wool over a President Obama administration. His loyalty and ability to getting the job done is of tremendous value.
AlterNet.org  talks about Dick Morris and Bill Kisrtol propping Sarah Palin up.

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Clara Kansas City, MO (Sent Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:57 PM)
Of course, they’ll lean Obama because We’re doing it from the bottom
THE PEOPLE OF PENNSYLVANIA SOLD THEIR SOUL TO THE DEVIL=THEY WANT TO BE LIKE SAN FRANCISCO=THEY DEFINETELY ARENT REDNECKS AS MURTHA SAID.  REDNECKS WOULDNT VOTE FOR A FRIEND OF TERROSISTS.  IM LAUGHING EVERDAY I SEE THE STOCK MARKET AT THE WOMEN AND YOUNG WHO VOTED FOR THE MESSIAH CANT WAIT TILL THEY LOSE THEIR CARS, CELLS, I PODS, COMPUTERS, BLACK TOYS ECT.
And he won Republican stronghold Texas by only a similar margin to Obama's wins in supposed swing states Pennsylvania, Iowa, New Mexico, and Nevada.

In 2012, with a successful Obama presidency, a shift in demographics, and an influx of new residents, Texas will be a swing state and that will truly be the backbreaker for Republicans as they will have no other automatic huge electoral prizes.

We've done a lot of work here and it will pay big dividends in the future.

Democrats should use the complete collapse of the Republican party as a lesson to never EVER bow to the extreme factions of the party and completely concede the middle.

There's no shame in moderation. It should be seen as a virtue, not villified as it has been in Republican circles for the past few years.

http://www.rodneyhopper.com
I am a proud supporter  of  our Bill of Rights and I believe and practice our second amendment. What troubles me is how do we really harness arms from criminals, idiots and terrorists (domestic and international)?  

We do have the right to bear arms and I will not surrender mine.  I also know that NRA crossed the line when they began negative campaign toward Obama and many of my acquaintances have fallen for that notion.

What NRA has done for the campaign was not called for and I voted for Obama in former red state/swing state.

   
"I hope that everyone is overcoming their CDD - Campaign Deficit Disorder.  Isn't it strange how tranquil life has become for us Democrats now that we're not sweating out every new poll and waiting to hear what clueless new thing the Wasilla Hillbilly has to said?  I'm so enjoying my CDD as I watch Barack getting his new administration up and running.

I am so glad that Rahm Emanuel decided to take the Chief of Staff job.  He will be so much more impressive than that deadbeat "Randy" Andy Card.

Yes We Did!
Eric, Salinas, CA (Sent Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:10 PM)"

YES, MY BLOOD PRESSURE HAS EVEN DROPPED. SERIOUSLY
First of all there is no way that Obama wants to take guns away from the people. He has stated that very clearly already. The right to bear arms is God given, and imbedded into our laws that it is a non-issue for Obama. He is worrying about moving our nation forward united, to solve our economic difficulties. That is fact!  
I think Obama should make all guns obsolete. Hunters and all. Nobody needs to have guns in this country. They kill people everyday. GUNS MUST GO! Go Barack!
The fact of the matter is that we gun owners are like everyone else.  We need our jobs, our mortgages need paid, we want our kids to go to college and alot of us disagree with this war in Iraq.  Yes, I didn't agree with Obama's record on guns, but since we agree on everything else, I pulled the lever for him.
Just remember that criminals love gun control; it makes their job safer!
you can have my gun when u pry it from my cold dead hands
Do guns matter, you bet. How about freedom of speech, does it matter? All you libs think that the 2nd amendment does not apply to the common man, well guess what, it does.  Just like the 1st amendment that gives you the right to spew your liberal agenda, the 2nd gives me the right to bear arms. I will give up my guns when you give up your freedom of speech.  Especially now that the newly elected government is turning  socialistic. Even after the recent Supreme Court decision, I will never vote for anyone that is for gun control, that would be like you people voting for the limitation of speech, I do not think that will ever happen, will it?
Guns and religion. Isn't that what Obama said? What a deadhead we're gonna have for a president.

Bush kept us safe. Obama will ruin this country and the people in it.
NRA waisted 15 mil
and that stank Repub ad about Wright that aired every 2 min. here in Florida 2.5 mil....WAISTED...bwahahahahha
the Goppers lost alot and got nuttin in return
bwahahhaahha
What is reasonible gun control, is that like reasonable limitations of speech? We have enough gun control laws on the books to choke a horse, how about enforcing some of them. All the data proves that the assault wepon ban did absoulutly nothing to reduce crime, it was a feel good liberal law. Look at each state that has passed concealed carry laws and you will find out that crime has decreased in those states.
The idiots that pay attention to and are swayed by anything the NRA puts out are the target audience of the leftovers of the Republican party.  It was so nice to see the party of the KKK and neo-Nazis go down in flames.  Sarah Palin is an appropriate leader of that group of rednecks and scumballs.
i just posted the coment that you could have my gun when u pry it from my cold dead hand wnen my 9 year old son read it he told me that that wasnt good enough he would pick it up first and take over for me is that what obama wants
Eeek! What's the hysteria about except to be hysterical???!?

Obama has said he supports the Second Amendment as an individual right to bear arms. But he's also said he believes that government can regulate that right. Obama never favored an all-out ban on handguns.

Obama (Feb. 2): And then there are people who say, `Well, he doesn't believe in the Second Amendment,' even though I come from a state -- we've got a lot of hunters in downstate Illinois. And I have no intention of taking away folks' guns.

Obama (April 25): "My view continues to be that the constitution, I believe, does provide a right to bear arms; but that local communities, and state governments, as well as the federal government, have a right to common-sense regulations and firearm ownership [rules.] The truth is, obviously, the ban here in Chicago, the ban in D.C. is not keeping the guns out of our cities, and so I'm interested in just figuring out what works and I'm confident we can come up with laws that work and that pass constitutional muster and don't infringe on the rights of lawful gun owners whether it's in Downstate Illinois or rural Montana."



Laughing:  you, among other IGNORANT TEXANS, are an uninformed fool! I am a Texas Dem who strongly supports the 2nd amendment....the big difference between me and you GOP IDIOTS is I believe the bill of rights has more than 1 amendment!

And if you could comprehend at higher than a 3rd grade level, you would know that the economic mess in this country has been in the making for YEARS, before most of us even heard of President-elect Obama.  A mess that YOUR corrupt, backwoods, hick party fostered, supported and encouraged due to excessive greed.

What you wish on others will come back on you, and I can't think of anyone who deserves to lose more than you...
For God's sake, please actually READ the 2nd Amendment.  It was written during a time before we as a country had an organized military.  The right to bear arms was given in order to form a militia of citizens to fight off an invasion by the King of England.
Guns kill...period.  And for some reason owning one is not enough for most people.  I have no problem with hunting weapons that are used to hunt, but beyond that guns kill!
What is with this country and guns?  Fear, Fear, Fear.  This is not the wild west.  Look at the rest of the civilized world.  The only people that should have guns are the military and law enforcement!!!    
Canada has tougher gun laws but lots and lots of gun owners with lots and lots of guns. Yet, no one there gets in a twist over it and emergency rooms aren't full of gunshot victims.
People have a right to expect to walk down any street, unarmed, without fear of being shot. When the NRA comes up with a way to make that happen I'll actually take them seriously. Maybe I don't want to have to kill some SOB in self defense and have blood on my hands when I meet my maker.
the gun issue here in oregon was still important, and many conversations with voters were about sen. obama, now president elect obama's position on affirming the 2nd amendment's right to bear arms, plus his support and agreement with the d.c. gun ownership decision and is repeated support of hunters and fishing enthusiasts and their right to public access. i will say, as i canvassed in our small, very conservative and economically depressed town, the "cling" comment, while badly worded unfortunately, really was speaking to an attitude of fear of the future, fear of change, fear of where these citizens fit into the socio-economic strata of todays 21st century.
Barack will remove the guns from the bible thumpers and make the world safer. Hunters and rednecks, two of a kind. Take their guns away President Obama! Then we can kick some rears.
People!!!jeez are you really that paranoid? I'd hate to live anywhere near y'all. guns aren't going anywhere...just like abortion..why didn't the refoolicans do anything about abortion for the 6 years they had control? you don't hear a word from them once the election is over! they know if they were to get their way on abortion they would lose millions of knee jerk votes on that score alone. I'm a hunter and have better than a dozen guns and I'm happy as shit that Obama won. now if we can just keep the troglodites away so he can fulfill what he was so overwhelmingly elected for....
maybe if the libs take away your guns you right wing so called amercans will finally be right about something
Goodbye Cabella's, Gander Mountain, NRA, Bass World and all those redneck republican icons. Our new president will put an end to this hillbilly tradition that has scarred this country and left so many dead americans. The Hunter's last season is at hand. Hip Hip Hooray!
Obama!! If our guns are taken away and someone happens to brake into your home (welding a gun) and threatened to harm you and your family, how would you defend your self ??? A knife or maybe brick! Dosen't sound like a fair game plan to me but of course a brick will crush a gun "if" you get close enough before they pull the trigger. And remember the "Bad Guy" will always have a gun no matter what. This is just a question, and some food for thought.
As an Independent leaning Democrat, I support stricter gun control, but not all-out limitation. Assault rifles seem unnecessary for anyone, but yet I don't feel like anyone has the right to tell you that you can't own one. But we need to be smart about it. Background checks, no guns to felons of violent crimes, etc. Seriously, it's common sense.
The Second Amendment was put in there to guarantee that the other Amendments would remain. That is why our FOUNDING FATHERS put that in. So that we could protect ourselves, our family, and what we ALL have worked so hard for. We have the right to "bear arms". We are not "outlaws".  We are legal American citizens.Our Amendments are sacred and should NOT be messed with. What will they try to take away from us next? We need to stand up for what we believe in. And keep our Founding Fathers Amendments the way that they are now. I totally agree with "LAUGHING AT PENNSYLVANIA TX. !!!!  I may be a "Redneck", but I am darn proud of it !!!
Fear, fear and more fear. That's the only strategy the Republicans and their lobbyist friends know how to use. Not a positive thought in their whole campaign. It didn't work.

NOT THIS TIME!
I totally agree with "LAUGHING AT PENNSYLVANIA TX". Our Founding Fathers put in the second Amendment so that we could protect ourselves, our family, and everything that we have worked so hard for.  They have no right taking that away from us. We have a right to Bear Arms. Without our Founding Fathers making the Amendments, we would have nothing. We have to stick together as Americans.
guns do matter you have to find out weather or not there a crimal and if they are they don't get a gun. hutners the snow goose population is over populated and i killing farmers crops and if we don't get the pop. down then we will have a bad agracuture
Poor Dorothy, you still think that the 2nd amendment is about hunting, and target practice. Practice is a must if you should need to defend your self or your family. If you chose to wait for the police for help don't,worry the'll bring plenty of yellow crime scene tape!!! Remember, help is just a phone call away.


Yeah, the NRA's members with their 410's & 22's brought down the USSR & the Commies in 1990; the penny ante of Reagan's defense spending had nothing to do with the fall of the USSR.  The USSR went broke building AK 47's, not trying to master new technology to build a Soviet Star Wars & Anti-Star Wars defense & offense package.  Right, Wayne?
gosh, people- it's a matter of degree: it's the handguns that kill people, that need to be strictly regulated: they are manufactured to kill people; self-defence' - how often?'

The hunting rifes and shotguns, the outdoors sport pistol guys, the weekend warrior with his military multi-round automatic-   leave them alone.

Just have more stringent background checks before purchase.
the law-abiding gun enthusiast, or outdoorsman/hunter, should have no problem with this kind of legitimacy, in the minds of the avg yahoo, of the 2nd amendment?

With less gun violence, hunters/gun enthusiasts would not be getting such a poor image?
PR
Calm down, your guns are not going anywhere!!! Americans have been able to have guns since the birth of this Country. In fact, it is written in the constitution as part of our bill of rights.

For all of you Gun owners out there, Obama was taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago. So he knows what he can and can not do under the constitution.

Don't buy into the hype
Apparently none of the Obama critics here listened to the interview in which Obama noted that he taught constitutional law for 10 years and that he agreed with the court decision that bearing arms was an individual right.
*sigh... I agree with Bailey Quarters, Twin Cities, MN... Obama has not suggested taking away the right to have guns...
Do ALL gun crazies just have little peepees, or does it just seem that way?  They certainly have little brains.


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