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GOP's future: 2012, here we come

Posted: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:15 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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Politico’s Martin starts looking ahead to 2012. “Too early? Too bad -- just look around. Two potential candidates will be in Iowa before month’s end, multiple prospects -- almost certainly including Sarah Palin -- will make high-profile appearances this week at the Republican Governors Association meeting, and Newt Gingrich’s name has already been floated in a Bob Novak column.”

More: “Huckabee, winner of the 2008 Iowa caucuses, returns to the Hawkeye State Nov. 20 for stops in Cedar Rapids and Des Moines to hawk his new book, ‘Do the Right Thing: Inside the Movement That's Bringing Common Sense Back to America.’ … Jindal, elected governor of Louisiana in 2007 after serving in Congress and holding health care posts in state and federal government, makes his first trip to Iowa on Nov. 22. He’s keynoting the statewide banquet of the Iowa Family Policy Center, a Christian conservative group, in suburban Des Moines and will tour flood-ravaged Cedar Rapids, offering his insights as a hurricane-state governor to state and local officials.”  

The Washington Post’s Cillizza handicaps the candidates for RNC chair. From inside the committee, the candidates include current RNC Chair Mike Duncan, South Carolina GOP Chair Katon Dawson and Michigan GOP Chair Saul Anuzis. Other big names include: Michael Steele and Newt Gingrich. Some wildcards: Jim Nussle and Huckabee campaign manager Chip Saltsman.

Bill Kristol is nervous "It will be tougher yet if they underestimate Obama. His selection of Rahm Emanuel as chief of staff suggests that Obama’s not going to be mindlessly leftist, and that he’s going to shape a legislative strategy that is attentive to Congressional realities while not deferring to a Congressional leadership whose interests may not be his own. Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were both tripped up in their first two years by their Democratic Congresses. Obama intends for Emanuel to ensure that that doesn’t happen. And Obama has the further advantage of inheriting a recession that will give him a very tough first year or two (for which he won’t be blamed), but that should be followed by a recovery well timed for his re-election bid.”

“So Obama will be formidable. But conservatives should welcome the challenge. It’s good for conservatism that conservatives will have to develop refreshed ideas and regenerated political skills to succeed in the age of Obama. And it wouldn’t hurt for Governors Sarah Palin, Mitch Daniels, Bobby Jindal and the other possible 2012 G.O.P. nominees to begin bringing some puppies home for their kids.”

Jennifer Rubin writes about the awful post-mortems for the GOP and notes, "It is not completely bleak, after all. Unlike drubbings which the GOP took in 1964 or 1974, this defeat still leaves a wealth of resources at the disposal of conservatives -- think tanks, the blogosphere, and talk radio, to name a few. If the remnants of the GOP care to look, they will find a plethora of interesting policy ideas and a vibrant, engaged political audience eager to revive their once-dominant party.

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Governor Bobby Jindal.  Mark my words.  He's a young, fresh face for the conservative movement.  He's also extremely popular in his state.

http://thepajamapundit.com/
2012 will be a big year for Republicans after seeing Obama, Pelosi, and Reid stumble around for four years. One of, if not the worst thing, you can do in a fragile economy is raise taxes. But that is exactly what Obama and his little helpers intend to do on Day One. Not only raise taxes on the "rich", but also to let Bush's tax breaks expire. That $1000 every taxpayer expects to receive next year will be eaten up 5-fild by all the taxes Obama has planned for us. So that vacation you planned next year? Forget about it, the money is going to the government. That new car you wanted? Forget about it, the money is going to the government. That college you were going to send you child to? Start thinking Community College because that money is going to the government.

You people voted for this man, I hope you enjoy writing checks to him.
So which repugnant one's loser will be the sacrificial lamb in 2012?  Who cares as Obama will win in 2012 because he will do a great job.

"Creationist" Huckabee should never be allowed to run for president as no one who believes in creationism should ever be allowed to hold public office.  Anyone who can't separate myth from fact is not intelligent enough to lead our country!

Yes We Did!
Oh for the love of Bob, make it stop!  I am seriously considering lobbying my Congressman to pass a law making it illegal to campaign more than 365 days before an election.
Well, three things wrong with the repukes regrouping as stated above, Newt,the christian coalition, and Klondike Sarah. With this losing stradegy, the repukes will wander in the political wilderness for who knows how many years to come. I really hope they go with this group, this is the gift to the dems that just keeps on giving.

    One more thought, ex cons are stripped of their right to vote in a lot of states, yet a convicted felon from alaska may win the election, go figure. Only the repukes could come up with something this weird.
Good point, Bill Kristol. It's going to be strange to have a leader that is determined to do what's in the best interest of the country, and not buck to the ideologues of their party.

And tell them to go easy on Joe.  Who doesn't feel like dropping an f-bomb first thing Monday morning.
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Everyone needs to remember we have a lot of urgent issues that the next president will have to dive into.

Give him the needed time and space to tackle them.  They will not be fixed in a day or even a year.

It took 8 years to get into most of this crap...

GOD Bless the WORLD!

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So you say its to early, too bad.  Well it is to early, we all know the republicans got thier as--es
handed to them on 11/04, we all know they are planning
to rebuild thier party but give us a break, I personelly am concerned about today and what happens with the new Prsident and new congress. I hope most
people will just turn the other cheek when it comes to politicians campaigning for 2012. Yall it really is to early, I will change channels and I will not
consider the administration after next. ( I take that back I will laugh at sarah Palin every chance I get.)
So now just stop it. I guess I could just comment every time Sarah opens her mouth ,(Stupid, stupid, stupid. We have had stupid till we actually know better now.
marty
What is the reason GWB is ranked 9th out of 43 presidents so far? And Kennedy 11th? Jefferson, Washington and Adams (not Quincy) are one, two and three with Reagan #6. Lincoln is #10. Clinton #26. Carter is no surprise at #38.

And how do they projest that by the end of his 4 years as president, Obama will crack the top 10?
These guys better figure out what they stand for instead of intollerance.  Huckabee isn't much better than Palin, though smarter.  I myself am a Christian but find the easy acceptance to villify the gay community, muslims.....even unions as disgusting.  People like Richard Luger, Mitt Romney and Gingrich need to step up and stop the radicals.
Until the republicans take the blame and apologize to the American voters for what they have done to our country they will receive no respect.
From bringing our country to its knees in many crucial
areas to running the sleeziest campaign in the history of our country to try and win the elections, they showed total disregard to what our country needed.
They are still postering and pointing fingers and show no sign of uniting for our countries survival.
It is time for them to wake up and put our country first.
Good Grief!!! Just a week after being soundly defeated the republicans our looking to 2012? Save your time.. here are some clues for you.
 1) The American voter showed you that "we the people" will choose who will govern us. We learned the hard way after 2000&2004. So we came together as ONE and said NOT THIS TIME!!!
 2)Your ultra-right conservatism does not have any credence in this age.The party of less gov't has been in our faces far to long.
 3) Your beyond redemption form of instilling "fear,mistrust,lies,smears etc... DOES NOT WORK!
  4)Get back to the basics(it worked for the democrats) believe in the greatness of we "huddled masses", talk to us not at us.
  5) You are there in the Senate and House because we put you there, and obviously we can remove you.
  6) Most importantly the political stakes have changed. We are a global economy, we must work with the world on an economic,political,and human level.
  7) Get rid of the Bush Doctrine.Might does not make Right.
So republicans, Iv'e sat for 8 years in total disgust,I'm a "real"American, my husband served this country with an 18 month deployment in Afghanistan, paid the price withPTSD and constant physical pain.
Right now I don't see anyone in the Republican Party strong enough to take down Obama in the 2012 election.

Sarah Palin is immensely popular but there needs to be someone to step forward to carry the torch. There is also a need to return to Republican core values.

Obama's re-election in 2012 will only happen if he doesn't cowtow to the liberal fringe during his first term and if the GOP doesn't have a fairly strong candidate. So far Obama has not kept his promose to be bi-partisan in his staff choices, but, to be fair, he is far from finished.
I just want to see us return to our limited government roots. Return to federalism. We need to reaffirm the 10nth Amendment. And we need to speak passionately about individualism vs. statism.

I'm also convinced that it's about time we found our inner libertarian. That will appeal to younger voters.
>>>Two potential candidates will be in Iowa before month’s end, multiple prospects -- almost certainly including Sarah Palin -- will make high-profile appearances this week at the Republican Governors Association meeting...
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OMG! PLEASE keep her IN THE NEWS!  I know some here want her to go away, but she's been the comedy relief of the entire campaign.  Her ignorance shows every time she opens her mouth.  I fully expect a Sara Palin/Joe the Plumber Variety Hour to premier on TV soon.


>>>Bill Kristol is nervous "It will be tougher yet if they underestimate Obama. His selection of Rahm Emanuel as chief of staff suggests that Obama’s not going to be mindlessly leftist...
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Obama's no fool.  He knows he's going to need someone to keep Pelosi in line while he gets things together, that's why he chose Emanuel.  So far I'm liking what I'm seeing.

It already looks like the GOP is reverting to its same old habits of cultural identity politics even in their reconstruction.  If they go down that path, then we can almost count of the Democrats maintaining control and an Obama second term in 2012.  Come on, old guys, give me a reason to consider you instead of reasons to run away from you.

71 Days Until Inauguration Day!
http://jawillie.blog.com
It will be interesting to see which leader the religious conservatives choose- Huckabee or Palin.  Of the two, only Huckabee seems to sincerely practice a Christian philosophy- including caring for the poor.  Palin's tendency toward hate and divisiveness is antithetical to true Christian teachings, but the hypocrites love her.  Go figure.

And what of the fiscal conservatives?  Will it be Romney, Giuliani, or Bloomberg?  The GOP infighting should be very interesting over the next few years.    
"Sarah Palin is immensely popular but there needs to be someone to step forward to carry the torch."

I agree...Sarah is one of my favorite comedians.
i'm a republican who voted for obama and i'm not ashamed of it.  however, come 2012, depending on how obama pans out, jindal should be the face of the 'publicans.  but, if obama makes good on his promises, then 2016 would be jindal's year.  by then he would have enough experience tucked under his belt and more than enough supporters to carry him.  i, for one, will be there for him.
Four years are not long enough for voters to forget how Bush and the Republicans have trashed America. Republicans will have to wait a minimum of eight to twelve years for people to erase the disaster of the last eight years from their minds. Maybe sixteen years.
Dear GOP,
Please run whichever turkey you want in 2012 as the Democrats will win anyway. To help the cause most, however, Sarah Palin would be a good choice. That way the landslide of 2008 will look like a very tight race as the landslide of 2012 would mean even more electoral votes for the reelection of Obama/Biden.
Dear GOP,
Please run whichever turkey you want in 2012 as the Democrats will win anyway. To help the cause most, however, Sarah Palin would be a good choice. That way the landslide of 2008 will look like a very tight race as the landslide of 2012 would mean even more electoral votes for the reelection of Obama/Biden.
I predict more Democratic gains in 2010 followed by Obamas re-election in 2012. Obama may have inherited many problems but the very act of reversing damaging Bush edicts will seen as huge progress.
When you have been dragged down this far, there is no where to go but up. The Republicans first realistic shot at a return to power is 2016. Enjoy the wilderness.
You can count on Obama's first term being nothing but finger pointing and the blame game long after Bush is out of office.  That will be his excuse for not making good on his campain promises of giving tax breaks to his ever-changing definition of the middle class.  Does anyone actually believe that his idea of taxing business is not going to equate to a tax on all of us?  They will simply pass that on to the consumer (aka all of us).  Tighten your belts now, people, it is going to be a long four years!
Go for it folks.
Become more insane.
Become more narrow minded.
Become more intolerant of others.
Obey the dictates of the American taliban.

There hasn't been a conservative republican as president since Gerald Ford left office.
Hey  Taxman Obama:

You must be Houdini's relative..
A  $1000 can buy you a car ?  a college education ? a Vacation ? Ok Maybe a vacation at Padre Island for 2 days.... Came -on !!!!  Typical Repugnant, after been trout by the people for a dismay 8 years of catastrophist (lead by a C student)  You (  Repugnant , have no right to lecture the new president…. He won by a land slide!!!!!!!!! )))
So shut up and go home……Maybe Pedro can console you as he clean your pool….. And be  careful he e may also be cleaning your wife pipe's
Absolutely hilarious to watch Republicans conclude their problem is that they weren't even more divisive and ideologically radical.  They will continue to hurtle toward irrelevancy as they don't see that their pet interests are opposed by the majority of Americans.
Note to the fools who admire Sarah Palin - There is a major difference between being a maverick and being a loose cannon.
The Republican party refuses to see that this election was a complete rejection of their conservative wing by the American people, who were constantly told that "Big Government" is bad - but only on the issues the conservatives disagreed with. Otherwise we will spy on your library books, lie to you, legislate your bedroom behavior, hide from you, and persecute anyone who disagrees with us.

If you want proof, bring on Bible Spice (Palin) in 2012. Good luck!
I see the republicans didn't learn their lesson this time around they still trash Obama. Maybe they'll learn after 2016 dought it they aren't that smart.
It would be interesting to see Gov. Bobby Jindal run as how he would be The Youngest Presidential Candidate since Jack Kennedy
The Repubs need to figure out what they're FOR instead of only what their AGAINST, and then rebuild the party from there. As an Independent who mostly votes Dem primarily because the Repub Party was hijacked nearly 30 years ago by the social conservatives. If the Repubs ever return to their roots -- fiscal vs social convertavism -- I might consider voting for them someday. I'd probably never vote for Huckabee, Palin, or Gingrich, but might consider Jindal. However, if Obama performs as I expect he will, I'll be voting for him again in 2012.
Ron Paul 2012. Bring back the TRUE GOP. Watch this. I promise it is worth it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG2PUZoukfA
The Republicans will probably be out of power for 12-20 years.  As is pointed out by 2012 we will be on an upswing after the recession so Obama should have an easy re-election.  In 2016 all the Dem candidate have to do is play continous adverts of the crash, the bail-out, home foreclosures, the national debt and wars of the last republican administration and they are home and dry.
There seems to be considerable concern and pressure for the incoming Obama administration to reach across the isle, which of course the Republicans would love even though they sure didn't do it themselves, yet, in the mean time, the Republicans all seem to be focused on blaming each other for their loss, with factions within the party positioning for control and then for resisting anything the Democrats may offer.  Don't they realize that their aggressive and arrogant self-focus is what caused their downfall and that the people really want a responsible focus on the real and serious problems at hand?  It is past time for the Republican leaders and conservative leaders to get over themselves and start acting like representatives of the people rather than just always pursuing their private agendas.
As all the GOP pundits keep repeating, the USA is a "center-right" nation.  Yet, they continue to look to the far right and evangelicals for leadership (Palin & Romney as examples).  The republicans, if they are to be competitive, need to move toward the middle, which will anger the neo-conservative base.  I say neo-con base because their brand is not traditional conservatism of small government, no deficits, no intrusions into private life.  These, by the practice of the bush Administration and talking points of the GOP base, are non-existant.  By practice, neo-con philosphy is divide & conquer to maintain power at all costs and pillage the treasury.  True conservatism no longer exists in the GOP base.  It must return if the party is to return.
In the meantime, the true conservatives backed Obama during the election.  These are the leaders the GOP needs to get back into their fold, and as an outside observer, I think they can do it if they jettison the neo-con arm of the party.
Taxman Obama - for God's sake give it a rest. Your such a poor loser. After bush how can you even think about any else but Obama. Our long dark and evil last 8 years is over and good riddance.

jesse
The Republican party has been over taken by the far right and lost it's middle bearings.  What happened to separation of church and state?  Secondly, the GOP cannot proclaim themselves the fiscally conservative party when it was a Democratic president who created millions of jobs and a surplus as well as trimming down the deficit.  What happened then?  A Republican took the reigns and eight years later we are a trillion dollars in deficit with millions of jobs lost.  Americans have been milked for record profits to Exxon Mobil over the last 3 years and running.    

How will the GOP seriously address these issues within their party?  If Palin is put on a ticket again it will only be clear the religious right now owns the Repubican party and the middle of the road Republicans will be obsolete and invisible as they were this year.  Newt Gingrich is also a far right figure.  The Republicans had better find someone who cares about the working class.  That is a tall order. Noone really fell for the pretensive use of "Joe the Plumber" by McCain and Palin.  People know whats real and what's merely a convenient strategy to win a race.
The drubbing the Republicans endured for the past two elections is exactly what they needed.  The end results will be the prunning away of the bad apples (corruption, big spending, neo-con, pseudo-con, etc.)and a return to fundamental conservative principles of Ronald Reagan which emphasize independence, enterpreurialship, small government, and individual freedom.  There are a plethora of great young political talents in the party who will assume the leadership (Newt, Palin, Jindal are but a few names in the mix).  Just as the dark days of Jimmy Carter were swept away by the arrival of Ronald Reagan in 1980, a new morning is just around the corner for this great country and it'll arrive quicker than any of you think.
The Repubs has pegged the socio/economic bar with their 8 year misdeeds so low that Obama's minimal perfomance will give him room to look or act good.
during his first 4 years. With little progress he will win his second term. If Obama is able to exceed expectation and make extraordinary progress in the socio economic theater and improve condition on most Americans he will be crowned the best President ever.  
Taxman Obama,
Community colleges--great idea! Statistics prove that students who complete their first 2 years at community colleges have higher overall GPAs, and higher graduation rates, than students who attend all 4 years at a university! And since tuition was deregulated community colleges are in even more demand than ever...in fact my 2 year school increased its enrollment at a faster pace than all the 4 year schools in our area!
Thanks for a plug for 2 year schools...at least your post got somethin right!


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