ABOUT FIRST READ

First Read is an analysis of the day's political news, from the NBC News political unit. First Read is updated throughout the day, so check back often.

Chuck Todd, NBC Political Director

Mark Murray, NBC Deputy Political Director

Domenico Montanaro, NBC News Political Reporter



Unbuilding 2008: The South won't rise?

Posted: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:19 AM by Mark Murray

The New York Times looks at the swath of Southern vote that didn't just support McCain over Obama, but did so in greater numbers than Bush did over Kerry. "By voting so emphatically for Senator John McCain over Mr. Obama — supporting him in some areas in even greater numbers than they did President Bush — voters from Texas to South Carolina and Kentucky may have marginalized their region for some time to come, political experts say. The region’s absence from Mr. Obama’s winning formula means it ‘is becoming distinctly less important,’ said Wayne Parent, a political scientist at Louisiana State University. ‘The South has moved from being the center of the political universe to being an outside player in presidential politics.’”

Here are some numbers we crunched:
-- Obama received approximately 34,000 fewer votes in Ohio than John Kerry. McCain received nearly 350,000 votes less than Bush in 2004.
-- In Florida, McCain received about 25,000 fewer votes than Bush in '04, but Obama found another 540,000 votes over the Kerry total.
-- In Wisconsin, McCain received 220,000 fewer votes than Bush, while Obama outperformed Kerry by about 180,000 votes.
-- In Virginia, McCain received 10,000 more total vote than Bush in 2004, but Obama found another 500,000 votes over the Kerry '04 performance.
-- In North Carolina, McCain outdid Bush by about 150,000 votes from 2004, but Obama bested the Kerry number by nearly 600,000.
-- In New Mexico, McCain received about 33,000 fewer votes than Bush, while Obama outdid Kerry by close to 100,000 votes.
-- A similar story in Nevada, where McCain received 7,000 fewer votes than Bush in 2004, while Obama surpassed the Kerry total by approx. 135,000 votes.
-- In Iowa, McCain came up about 74,000 votes short of the Bush total, while Obama soared passed Kerry's vote total by about 70,000 votes.
-- In Colorado, both McCain and Obama surpassed the '04 vote totals: McCain beat Bush by about 18,000 votes, while Obama topped Kerry by about 215,000 votes.

So, it was a one-sided rise in turnout. Had McCain's turnout risen at the same rate as Obama's in many of the battleground states, we would have topped 140 million which was the argument some in the McCain campaign were making. They needed a HUGE turnout -- anything under 140 million or 135 million meant it was a one-sided rise in turnout as these stats in key battleground states indicate. 

MAIN PAGE

Email this EMAIL THIS

Comments

The South has moved from being the center of the political universe to being an outside player in presidential politics.
*****************************************************

...until a 'son-of-the-south' (pronounced 'Newt Gingrich') runs for president.  This will work to boost morale and numbers in southern states.

http://thepajamapundit.com/
It's true. If you didn't vote for Obama, you are less important. Just ask Barack. Plus, you probably won't get a bail out like everyone else is.
Palin/Broun 2012! GA Rep. Paul Broun-R states Pres. Elect Barack Obama wants a civilian national security force like the USSR or Nazi Germany. Outstanding. Either way, I say the DNC slaps his statement in a mailer. He should be good for about $10 mil easy.
I don't agree that the turnout figures you've cited are comparable without consideration of population growth or decline in each state since the 2004 election. Each state is more likely to have had its own electoral story. My guess is that vote totals in Ohio, Nevada, Virginia and North Carolina reflect in/out-migration over the past 4 years. In those cases, who was voting might be more important than how many were voting. On the other hand, there are some states, like Iowa, where Obama's win had everything to do with the amount of time the candidate spent there.
*Southern vote that didn't just support McCain over Obama, but did so in greater numbers than Bush did over Kerry. "By voting so emphatically for Senator John McCain over Mr. Obama
*****************
They just cannot fathom the thought of an intelligent, thoughtful, family orientated man who happens to be bi-racial, holding the highest office in the land…
BUT, they will get over it and appreciate him and the way he governs like the rest of us.
We will be a more united country… give him a chance & just watch !!!
:-)
****************
Everyone just needs to get use to a Black guy being the most powerful person on this planet now!! It hurts, i know, just get over it already!! Ha Ha, what goes around , comes around!!
I made a bet with my friend that McCain would beat Obama last Tuesday.  I lost the bet and I had to do some things I'm not proud of, as per the stipulations of the bet.  I'm still walking a little funny a week later.
*Southern vote that didn't just support McCain over Obama, but did so in greater numbers than Bush did over Kerry. "By voting so emphatically for Senator John McCain over Mr. Obama
*****************BTW****************
If you give McCain the title Senator, give it to Obama also... if not President Elect!

Respect where it is due...

Thank you!

Just got back from Florida-talk about buyer's remorse!

As the election hoopla died down, (I got there election night, and, boy, were they psyched!), a little dose of reality began to set in.  

This is a state that lives and dies by tourism.  During the boat races last week, attendance was way down, and those who were there spent a lot less than they normally would.  It was amazing to hear business owners wondering aloud what raising taxes on their customers would mean going forward.  One businesswoman summed it up this way:  I can't believe I voted against my customers.  What was I thinking?  Poor people don't keep me in business-rich people do.  If they stop coming, and spending, I'm done.  (No quotes because I'm going from memory, but that was the gist).

All I can say is that now, we see what happens when the dog catches the mailtruck.  Is he going to deliver the mail?  Drive the truck in the ditch?

I think we are living the ancient Chinese curse:  may you live in interesting times.
It's laughable, knowing that Republican's overwhelmingly Rejected the Neo-Con's version of the GOP. The 20% or so that still beleive in Cowboy George, are the ones you saw at Palin's rally's.Their ridiculus Moral Majority is filed under File 13. The GOP will wonder hopelessly for several year's trying to figure out Why American's Rejected their wholesome Values.

Pocketbook issues will rule until our Economy & the World economy finally make a comeback & the GOP will still be talking abut Abortion & Gay right's. All of you here posting about how bad Barack's gonna do, just sit back, & wallow in your Shame of thinking George Herbert Bush had an inkling of how to Govern.

He will go down in History as "The Worst President Ever".

Now theirs something to tell your Grandkids !

Delusional Thinking By Commonsense American's Is Over!
Hmmm --  It sounds like there is still a lot of racism in the South.  How else do you explain the increased turnout for McCain over Bush.  Afterall, the base has always been much more enthusiastic for Bush than it has for McCain.  SO the increased turnout must be due to an enthusiastic anti-Obama turnout.  Still I'd be more intwerested in these numbers if they comanpared to Bush '00 turnout and also took into account any population increase.  But it is shameful to see that McCain/Palin's ugly and untruthful tacics were welcome rhetoric in the South.  I live in Mutha's district (as he described and I acknowledge - another area where prejudice still lives well).  Obama didn't do as well as Kerry did in Western PA (even though Kerry never induced much excitement) but the difference wasn't as bad as I feared.  And I am glad that my state overall made me proud.  I can only hope that a President Obama will finally prove to these racists, that to judge someone by the color of their skin is unintelligent and wrong.
Please dont worry about the south, When President Elect Obama does a good job for all Americans you will see the south vote for Obama in 2012. As a proud southern woman in S.C. who voted for Obama, I know that the working class and the working poor will come to their senses. As S. C. has mostley working class and working poor, we will see the difference between the dems and the GOP, and will realize just who we are. Race is still a problem here but we are working our way into the future and we will be just fine. The
slime machine of the GOP really works on the uneducated, they believe anything negative they hear
about any other race, black, hispanic, asian. I believe in my heart that is all coming to a end sooner rather than later.  For some reason poor people
feel the need to look down on someone and in the south its someone who looks different than us. So as
a old white lady in S.C. I see a bright future for us.
I am so proud of our President Elect and his beatiful familey.

marty
The Republicans needed a HUGE turnout?  They needed to convey their message to the voting public.  The Republicans did not do that.  They were more concerned with telling the voting populace what was wrong with Obama than they were telling us why a vote for them would be beneficial to our country.  The voters also understood that the policies of the last 8 years simply do not work on a consistant basis.
Over the last 28 years, we've gone through 4 recessions, 2 during the Reagan/Bush Sr. years and 2 during the Bush Jr. years.  However, during the Clinton years, no recession.  Is this not evidence enough that the trickle down policies of the Republican party are flawed and do not work?  Jobless rates go up during Republican administrations and go down during Democratic administrations.  Again, proof that "trickle down" politics DON'T WORK.  During the Republican years, more jobs were shipped overseas than during Democratic rule.
What concerns me is how many more times will America have to go through this mentality before they finally realize the premise is flawed?  How much longer does this country have to suffer before those who still believe in the "trickle down" theory give it up and find an alternative that works for ALL AMERICANS?
Ain't no way the 3 time married newt is gonna get elected for anything outside of GA.  He's another mayor Guillaini.
Newt is finished in national politics.  If this is the only redneck you can come up with as a republican leader, then the democrats have nothing with which to be concerned.
It really is a time for Americans to take an inventory of our deepest predjudices and fears: THINGS HAVE CHANGED! The "good old boy" the powerful white elitest south, the conservative "wont let the power go".  WE have entered into history, a new America. Obama's greatest challenge is getting THE PEOPLE back to rebuilding a middle class, which the old guard has worked hard to destroy. Thats where the real power is!
no joe, no bo, nj (Sent Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:40 AM)
_____________________
You can't provide quotes because you're delusional. Go back to Rush Limbaugh and cry yourself to sleep. The hate and fear didn't work to win the election and it isn't going to work to erode support for Obama's well thought out policies.
Numbers make it clear --- Republicans elected Obama.

We need Sarah & Newt to bring back our senses.
no joe, no bo, nj (Sent Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:40 AM)

Buyers remorse???  The man isn't even in office yet!  WTH!!!

Here's the deal.  If they think people can't afford to go on vacation NOW then what will they say when they see it get back to normal or jump?  The fact that NO ONE has any money NOW doesn't have anything to do with Obama, he's not in office so you can't lay this at his feet.  
He won't be sworn in until January 20, 2009.  It took us YEARS to get where we are and we aren't going to come back from it overnight.
Like the doc says, you didn't get fat overnight so don't expect it to come off overnight.  You have to work at it until it does.
People kill me with this BS.  Acting as though he's already President and that everything that is going on now is somehow his fault.
If that's the case, why don't we just blame the last 8 yrs on the guy and get it over with.  After all, he was the one pulling Bush's strings, he also brought Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane Irv.
Get a life already.
The Southern States that voted for "Insane McCain," and the "Dizzy Diva" need to rethink their politics. Big time!! They voted for "Insane McCain" based on, out-of-date cultural beliefs, illogical foreign policy objectives, fear mongering, and bankrupt economic/tax policies. The time to move forward on all fronts must continue for our nation to survive. That is fact!
Blue Collar Comedy Tour LIVES!!...The south was always "Democratic Country" until Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964...has been GOP ever since unless a "son of the south" is running.
        We need SARAH & NEWT for Leaders
******************************************************
You won't see many Democrats fighting you on this one! Yes, yes, yes, pleeze, pleeze, pleeze make these two the leaders of the GOP. It will only gurarantee Democrats in office for the next 20 years! Do it. Pleeze do it!We all think they should be your "leaders", too!
If you look at the county map..there are swaths that Obama carried in throughout GA, AL, Miss. But I think a simpler explanation would be that people here thought he wouldn't win..esp traditionalist whites. Plus there is a fair amount of ignorance on the issues, mainly b/c of satisfaction with Bush.
Reverend Jeremiah Wright; An American Hero!

Now that the election is over, I can finally put forward my theory that Reverend Jeremiah Wright fell on his sword for the now President-Elect Barack Obama.

Think about it, when the first tape came out, there was nothing that Reverend Wright could do about it, and even though Obama addressed the tape in his now famous "Race in America" speech, without ever having denouced Reverend Wright (which Barack at that time would never have done out of loyalty)that tape would have followed him all the way to November 4th, and would probably have cost him the election.  So what does a former Marine like Reverend Wright do, He deliberately comes out with that ridiculously offensive clown-like act interview with the national press, and thereby gave Barack the opportunity to denouce him, (which Obama does) and thereby takes the Reverend Wright saga off the table and out of the race forever.  

Reverend Wright jumped on a hand-grenade for Barack.  Notice, that after that last interview, we never heard from Reverend Wright again.  He sacraficed himself, for the good of Obama, and for the good of the country. And I think he did it without consulting Obama.  

Thank you Reverend Wright for your sacrafice.  I for one saw what you did, and God bless you.

Comments Welcome.

gap.nyc.
"THE SOUTH" IS WHERE IT BELONGS, IN THE DUSTBIN OF HISTORY, NEXT TO THE KNOW-NOTHING PARTY, THE ALASKAN SECESSIONISTS, THE ISRAELI SENATOR LIE-BERMAN, AND ALL THISE MEGA-CHURCH PREACHERS THAT CANNOT STAY OUT OF AMERICANS BEDROOMS.
Do ya' think that maybe there is a correlation between the worst education systems in the nation being in the South, and the continued votes against their best interests????
Anyone watch Jonestown the other night?

Therein lies the problem, moreso in my opinion, than race.  I'm from the South and am confronted daily with the so-called christian right.  Many of these kool-ade drinkers are very very low information subjects, programmed at least two times a week so they don't forget their mission.

Many of these subjects don't have a pot to pi$$ in, nor a window to throw it out of, yet they vote republican time after time... too narrow minded to realize their lives aren't improving.

Excluding the metro Atlanta counties, and Clark county (University of Georgia), I could drive hundreds of miles in any direction and not find a county that went for President-Elect Obama.  I certainly didn't expect my state to go democratic, it took all of an hour and thirty-five minutes to be called for McNitwit, but I'm hopeful for the future... maybe I'll live long enough.  
This is a flawed analysis.  It presumes that there were many McCain supporters that didn't turn out to vote.  But how much of the Obama increase over Kerry and McCain decrease from Bush was due to voters switching sides?  In other words, it wasn't just a turnout issue, but a choice issue.
Having grown up as a white woman in the mysogynistic segregated, Jim Crow south, I decided to get a college education and very soon quickly realized that many of my relatives were out of touch with reality, and were wallowing in their own ignorance.  It is about time their concept of reality was marginalized and degraded for what it is - sexist and bigoted.  The first thing out of my brother's mouth when the primaries came down to a battle between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama was, "great we Republicans will win because all the Democrats have to choose from is a woman and a nigger." My response back to him was, "Mark my word, you will either have a woman or a black man as your president come November 4th."  He wouldn't and couldn't believe that I could possibly be right.  Needless to say, no one in my family wants to discuss the presidential election results with me.  In response, all I have to say is: HAHAHAHAHAHA & YES WE CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  It's time to put the all the sexist, segregationist southerners where they belong - in the marginal lunatic fringe, and that includes my brother!        
It's true. If you didn't vote for Obama, you are less important. Just ask Barack. Plus, you probably won't get a bail out like everyone else is.
______________________________________

Hmmm....Joe Lieberman... ever hear of him?
Hey not everyone in the South voted for McCain. Maybe you guys should re-think that. I voted Obama and volunteered along with 18 others to make calls into N.C. because that was where the effort was going.. Do you believe EVERYTHING you see on T.V.?
Peace.


SEND A COMMENT

PLEASE READ: All comments must be approved before appearing in the thread; time and space constraints prevent all comments from appearing. We will only approve comments that are directly related to the blog, use appropriate language and are not attacking the comments of others.

Message (please, no HTML tags. Web addresses will be hyperlinked):

TRACKBACKS

Trackbacks are links to weblogs that reference this post. Like comments, trackbacks do not appear until approved by us. The trackback URL for this post is: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/trackback.aspx?PostID=1668402

First Read e-mail alerts


Sign up for First Read alerts
The first place for key political news and analysis

Syndicate This Site

Add First Read to your news reader:
live.com xml
myyahoo msn
bloglines newsgator
google