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First thoughts: Hold the speculation?

Posted: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:34 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Carrie Dann
*** Tamping down the speculation -- or not? HillaryLand seems to be making a concerted effort to start tamping down speculation about the secretary of state job. Reports from the New York Times and Politico are sparking the debate about whether she's 100% ready to make the leap from the Senate and 100% ready to give up politics for a while (at least while at State). As the New York Observer notes, the secretary of state job hasn’t been the presidential stepping-stone it was when the country was founded. In fact, the last former secretary of state to even RUN for president was Al Haig in '88, and there's been just one in the last 180 years to go from that position to the presidency: Buchanan. (Then again, the Senate hasn’t been a great stepping-stone either, right?) The New York Times’ Tom Friedman also makes a great point about Clinton at State: If she’s going to get the job, there has to be absolute trust between Obama and Clinton -- which is something we’re still not too sure exists. “When it comes to appointing a secretary of state, you do not want a team of rivals,” Friedman writes. That said, today's Wall Street Journal and the AP confirm that the Obama folks are letting it be known that Bill Clinton is fully cooperating with the vet. So while the Hillary folks use the Times/Politico to signal reluctance, others are using the WSJ/AP to suggest that the momentum is still building for the Clinton appointment to happen. 

VIDEO: NBC's Chuck Todd gives his first read on Bill Clinton's willingness to disclose past donors in order for the Obama team to go forward in vetting his wife for a cabinet position. 

*** The old bulls are gone: With Ted Stevens’ defeat now official, it's worth repeating this point we made a few weeks ago: The old bulls of the Republican Senate caucus are mostly gone. With Stevens’ loss -- combined with the retirements of Pete Domenici, Trent Lott, Larry Craig, and John Warner -- the Republican Party lost quite a bit of seniority in 2008 (and this doesn't count the reflected seniority Elizabeth Dole had in the Senate, thanks to her husband). In fact, just nine of the GOP's 42 senators (or 41 or 40 depending on what happens in Georgia and Minnesota), were elected before 1990. Dick Lugar and Orrin Hatch were elected in '76 and now share the distinction of being the GOP's senior-most senators now. Thad Cochran (elected in ’78) is next in line, followed by Chuck Grassley ('80) and Arlen Specter ('80), then Mitch McConnell ('84), Kit Bond ('86), Richard Shelby ('86 -- elected then as a Dem) and John McCain ('86). One other point about the result from Alaska: Democrats have now netted at least 13 Senate seats in the past two cycles. Those are a lot of skins on the wall for Chuck Schumer. To regain control of the Senate, Republicans are going to have to pick up nine Senate seats in 2010 (a cycle that once again has Republicans defending more seats than the Democrats). And that’s not considering potential losses in Georgia and Minnesota.

*** Don’t (re)-count your chickens before they hatch: That, of course, brings us to Minnesota, where the recount in the Coleman-Franken race begins today. Coleman declared victory Tuesday with the certification of the initial results. But law mandates a recount, so nothing is in stone. The reason why Coleman is trying to look the part of the winner is to call into question any lead taken by Franken in the recount. Of course, that PR strategy didn’t work for Dino Rossi during the controversial recount in Washington State in 2004. Also consider this: We're going to know the outcome in Georgia (December 2) before the one in Minnesota (mid-December). Go figure. By the way, Bill Clinton stumps in Georgia today for Jim Martin.

Video: President-elect Barack Obama reportedly has chosen veteran Washington lawyer Eric Holder as his attorney general. If confirmed, Holder would be the first African-American to head the Justice Department.

*** Hold(er) on loosely: The Eric-Holder-for-AG chatter hit a fever pitch last night and this morning. Of course, the big question is: How messy will his confirmation be given the Marc Rich pardon? The good news for Holder, House Republican Dan Burton, who became the chief GOP critic of the Rich pardon back in 2001, is not in the Senate. It's hard to imagine folks like Orrin Hatch, Jon Kyl, Lindsey Graham, and Arlen Specter (all GOPers on the Judiciary committee) getting so partisan on this one, especially if Hillary Clinton is also up for a confirmation battle. Could the Senate GOP really bloody up Holder over a Clinton-era issue and not someone with the last name of Clinton? If Rich isn't an issue for Clinton, it probably won't be for Holder. Many Holder defenders believe he was a fall guy on the Marc Rich issue when the ultimate responsibility belonged to Bill Clinton and the White House's relationship with Jack Quinn. It’s also worth pointing out that if the GOP had a problem with Holder during the VP selection process -- when Holder headed that up for Obama -- it didn’t really show it (Republicans instead directed their fire at Jim Johnson, who stepped down as a VP vetter). The thing that’s not being talked about as much regarding Holder is that it would bring a career Justice guy with experience as a US attorney into the top job. Given all the issues Justice has had with its relationship to the US attorneys, Holder may be a welcome nomination by some Justice careerists. By the way, in other transition news, don't get too worked up over the reports about Bob Gates staying on as Defense secretary. First, this has been in the works for some time (as NBC's Jim Miklaszewski reported last week). But more importantly, if you don't see reporting on the idea of there being some end date for Gates' transition, assume something's missing.

*** Obama’s chit and The Left’s displeasure: Obama has collected a Lieberman chit, but the left is not happy. Here’s Kos: “In the spirit of post-partisanship, and in spite of the American people's overwhelming votes for change in 2006 and 2008, let's appoint fierce global warming critic James Inhoffe to the Environment and Public Works committee.” And Jane Hamsher, citing a Senate Democratic aide criticizing the left, wrote: “No matter what Joe Lieberman does, the people who are protecting him hate you much more than they hate him.” The liberal blogosphere is not happy with this decision, and they believe Dems will pay for this at some point. But it does appear the blogosphere is simply sitting back for the “told you so” moment rather than getting too worked up now. 

*** The two Mitt Romneys: Romney today has a provocative New York Times op-ed in which he argues against a bailout for the auto industry. “Without that bailout, Detroit will need to drastically restructure itself. With it, the automakers will stay the course -- the suicidal course of declining market shares, insurmountable labor and retiree burdens, technology atrophy, product inferiority and never-ending job losses. Detroit needs a turnaround, not a check.” But how does he reconcile opposing the bailout when he said, after McCain declared jobs were leaving Michigan and were never coming, that "I'm going to fight for every single job"? In fact, these two seemingly contradictory statements demonstrate the two different Mitt Romneys. In the op-ed, you see the pragmatic businessman offering sensible solutions (the auto industry has to bring down its legacy costs, the current management must go, you need more cooperation between labor and management). But on the campaign trail in Michigan in January 2008, we also saw someone who was willing to almost say anything to get elected. And don't forget: Romney does have extra credibility on the auto industry, as his father ran the last American carmaker to go out of business. George Romney was head of the American Motor Corp. (though, he was not the head of AMC when it essentially went under, via mergers with Renault and then eventually Chrysler).  

*** Just askin’: What is taking Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich (D) so long in appointing a successor to Obama in the Senate? It’s not like Obama’s victory two weeks ago was a surprise, right? Isn't the clock ticking on Blagojevich's own term, as he bites his nails wondering if there's a grand jury indictment in his future? So if he doesn't appoint someone soon, could he end up missing the opportunity?

*** On the Hill today: In the Senate, the nominee for special inspector general of the Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP), Neil Barofsky, testifies before the Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee; the Finance Committee holds a hearing on health-care reform; and Judiciary discusses "Helping Families Save Their Homes: The Role of Bankruptcy Law."… In the House, Armed Services discusses the fate of the F-22 fighter jet program; Financial Services holds a full committee hearing on the auto industry: "Stabilizing the Financial Condition of the American Automobile Industry"; Foreign Affairs discusses Iraq; and Veterans Affairs discusses an investigation into document shredding at VA offices.
 
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The old bulls of the Republican Senate caucus are mostly gone.
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The question now becomes, what has the GOP learned?  With so many of the 'old boys' club' gone, will the 'younger' Republican party move to enact real change within it's ranks?  If so, a strong rebuilding of the party is a possibility.  If not, soon there may be a supra-majority for the Democrats.

http://thepajamapundit.com/
The liberal blogosphere (and I count myself a member) had a big ole' temper tantrum yesterday over Lieberman.  Let's hope it doesn't happen again:

http://strategy08.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/the-great-lieberman-temper-tantrum-of-2008/
Is it true that the New York Times is actually up for sale? Or will be shortly?

What will Obama do without it?
I heard Senator Larry Craig will be spending more time in airport men's rooms when he retires.
First Read, the People magazine of blogs, seems to have forgetten about the car makers showing up on capital hill looking for what Nancy Pelosi calls a "$25 billion dollar loan". If the car makers want a loan, they should just go to the banks get one. At last look, the banks have lots of extra money just laying around.
Romney is pandering to the hard right..
Stevens is pandering to his new detainees..
(or at least he should be) and
Clinton is pandering to Clinton...
They have come so far in the last two weeks..

At least Obama will look forward buying experience based on his sound judgment...
My fellow Liberal Democrats have to smarten up and accept that Obama did the smart thing by pardoning "Traitor" Joe.  We need to show that we are far smarter than the hateful evangelical christian lunatic fringe who would have bounced him out of their caucus because he didn't toe their little line.  While it would have been more personally satisfying it's about smart governance and not petty partisan hate!

Hey - "Living within my means and feeling good about it"  Thanks for watching my back yesterday!  I love your moniker as it is my motto for life as well.  No crushing debts to slow me down financially and I go old school and save up for big ticket items.

Hey - "Probably won't clear the liberal filter"  You weren't only wrong about the fairness of the FR reader comment posters but also about Fannie and Freddie causing this whole financial meltdown.  They only generated 15% of the bad loans so they are not the sole problem.  The problem was "Criminal" Bush not doing any oversight of the existing regulations on the books.  The problem didn't happen on Clinton's watch, it happened on "Criminal" Bush's watch because he didn't want to regulate the junk bond crowd.  A junk bond by any other name is still junk!
Chuck, I have seen you use the word "chit" at least four times in the last 24 hours.  Is this the word of the day on your "word of the day" toilet paper?  Just curious.  I didn't realize you got so much of your 'blogosphere vibe' from Daily Kos.

I would say Hillary is not going to take SOS.  Too much spousal baggage.
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Lazy Jane (Sent Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:04 PM) Well, at least your name really delivers a ‘truth’.  Please report facts here.  Many of us know how to use the ‘Google’.  Dow Jones closed at 9,625 on 11/4/08 and 8,425 today – a drop of 1,200 points.  More important is that on September 18th it closed at 11,020.  On October 9th it dropped under 8,600 for the first time since 2003.  If you showed any grasp of trends or basic intellectual curiosity, you could certainly come up with a more creative, plausible explanation for the market fluctuations.  I mean it is only off from 10/9/08 by 175 pts.  Wild market fluctuations are a symptom of our recession; but certainly not an indicator that Obama is at fault.  PS.  The inauguration isn’t ‘til 1/20/09 – from that point on, you might be able to legitimately complain; but your teams ‘leadership’ (using the term loosely here) steered us into this ditch, so I take it back – you really can’t complain.  Use some honesty with how you approach the whole market decline, not just your ‘cherry picked’ data.
I am so sick of hearing about how the Dems CAUSED deregulation and forced people to make loans they couldn’t afford.  I think it is safe to say a large percentage of these ‘risky’ loans were gamed.  Meaning realtors, mortgage bankers and others knew the risk and gambled anyway.  To further add to the complexity – Wall Street bundled this crap and traded it (making money every step of the way in broker fees, etc.) – those behaviors were not part of the Fannie/Freddie lending rules.  This whole credit industry where lenders calculate ‘where do you need your payment to be?’ is a dishonest business practice.  The average borrower does not understand it and they don’t believe they can walk away from the closing table when they sit down and their payments are $200-300 higher than their good faith estimate.  All of this is indicative of how GREED corrupts industry.  I am not trying to defend those people who were gambling themselves into more house than they can afford; I’m merely speaking out for the little guy who is doing the best they can.  These mortgages went south when interest rates began to rise.  The rise affected the monthly payment and you know the rest.  I know there aren’t easy answers; but I really wish more people would quit there simpleton, belly aching and show a little compassion for how some honest people have been taken to the cleaners.
Here is an interesting article on this topic:  http://www.newsweek.com/id/169160 It is perfectly acceptable to read something (besides People magazine) and educate yourself on a sphere of topics.  It may even make you an interesting person.  We make no guarantees on that, though.
I’m rather curious too as to what is taking Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich (D) so long in appointing a successor to Obama in the Senate!
The opportunity will end up missing the African-Americans if Jessie Jackson Jr. is not chosen; especially, since there are already Latino Senators.
Since Hillary has already run for president she doesn't need a stepping stone to the job.  I do think it hurts her chances to not stay in the Senate where she can raise money and Chuck Todd gave some great insight into her situation last night on Countdown and this morning on MSNBC tv.

Great poetic justice that the last "I'm a Crook" Nixon convicted felon foot soldier bit the dust on his birthday.  So funny to see the repugnant ones lose so much seniority so fast.

"Crooked" Mitt Romney is just another typical repugnant one as he talks out of both sides of his mouth.  I am so laughing at how him and that "Airhead" Huckabee are going at it already.  Neither of these nitwits can ever be allowed to disgrace the White House as they will ruin our secular democracy with their backward religious beliefs.  We don't need the religious lunatic fringe destroying our Constitution by dumbing it down to their biblical substandards.
Mitt Romney is the worst flip-flopper I have seen.  He is socially liberal to get elected in MA, magically his values change for the GOP primaries to appease the right-wingers, and now this.  What a joke.  Mitt only believes that he wants to be elected, not in anything else.  

In the end I believe that was the downfall of McCain.  He had to shift right to win the primary, and lost too much integrity (and never looked back) when he did.

Steve
Possible that MSM jumped the gun on the Hillary announcement?? Now you are trying to walk it back a little so you don't look foolish in the long run??

Mitt, typical talk out of both sides of my mouth politician. His argument makes little sense really, he holds up a failed company for comparison. And what of the workers, the retirees, what does he say about them. He offers them nothing. He doesn't talk about what the companies have been doing to try to help themselves or the fact that their sales are down over 30% due to the credit crunch just in the last month. That never appears.
The blogosphere's would do well to sit back and take a deep breath when it comes to Joe Lieberman.  The last thing President-Elect Obama needs as the opening act of his transition is to have Senate Democrats act on his behalf to take their pound of flesh from Lieberman.

Relax...the people of Connecticut will have their say should he decide to run for re-election in 2012.  If they choose to punish him by not re-electing him then so be it.
"And don't forget: Romney does have extra credibility on the auto industry, as his father ran the last American carmaker to go out of business."

Uh, how exactly does that GAIN Romney credibility...?
I think that Eric Holder will make a great Attorney General and will bring law and order back to a lawless Justice Department.  It's a big sham that the repugnant ones still whine about the pardon of Mark Rich when so many criminals have been pardoned by Raygunz, Bush and soon to be another Bush.  Just wait to watch just how many criminals "Tyrant" Bush pardons in January.

I find it disgusting that "Tyrant" Bush is making his Quisling political appointees career civil servants.  We can't have these traitors to the people hanging around screwing up the progress that Obama is going to bring.  He needs to find a way to fire every single clueless "Tyrant" Bush appointeee so they don't undermine his progress with their hateful ideology.
In terms of Mitt Romney talking outta both sides of his pie hole, nobody does it better!  Sheesh, aren't we 16 minutes into our 15 minutes of fame yet?
Dumb ol' republicans have to wake up every morning for the next four years - at least - and get angry, scream, yell, curse, punch the walls and kick the cat. And I'll be loving every second of it. Revenge is sweet.
Just a note from a Hillary Clinton supporter, who then voted for Obama. I'd love to see HC be sworn in as Sec of State! However, in the Senate, we might see her as Senate Majority Leader. It would be a hard choice but either would be wonderful. Hillary is the perfect example to my very successful daughters.
I read on Huffington post that Clinton lawyers are working with the Obama team to sort out the Clinton finances and Bill's activities.  Again I say, "If Hillary wasn't interested, the Clintons would never have given the Obama transition team the financial information. It probably is true that Hillary is pondering the decision, it could be that Hillary is into drama, it could be that Hillary wants to negotiate making some ambassator appointment, who knows...My guess is the biggest issue is what if she takes it, and doesn't like it after she has accepted  it and worked in that position for two years. (Like Colon Powell) Then what about her future.  

The auto bailout will likely be a very tough sell.  One of the things that is not talked about very often is the differences between the Big 3.  Crysler is the smallest, and will likely be bought out anyway.  GM has the poorest management team and there is little evidence for change or improvement.  Ford might do well with a loan, but lawmakers cannot give to one without giving to all three.

One other point is that cars will need to be replaced due to age and accidents.  People will still need to buy cars.  Quality will prevail, which is too bad for GM.

With Paulson giving money to banks without accountability, I have trouble seeing auto makers getting a bail out. If they are bailed out, everybody get in line, next will be state and city governments, Starbucks, on and on. I think the American people will want the market to correct itself.
Don't see what the big problem is with Holder. He's just another fall guy for the Clintons. It was Bill Clinton that lied under oath, pardoned Marc Rich (along with many, many other questionable people), played around with the staff, seeked to enrich himself rather then hold up the best interests of the American people, TravelGate, Cow Futures-Gate, Gate-Gate, and the list goes on. And yet, Hillary and Bill are beloved by the Democrats, well, except for that little problem Hillary had running for Prez. Skin color does trump gender Hillary, but she already knew that. So Clinton did all these things, and Holder was just another paper pusher for Bill, and he really shouldn't get the blame for Clintons indescretions.
I am tired of listening to Friedman...He's becoming the gossip specialist on all things Obama, the beginning and end opinion for all pundits.
Is this the same Tom Friedman who says the war was the right thing to do and Bush made the right decision? Oh yea, so this guys hot air blathering about the Clintons must be right on target....NOT!
62 days, Then our government can get on with the peoples business. It has been a long time since we
could hope for compentent governing. I am sure there hasnt been a CIC to step into this kind of mess ever.
I wonder what is in this countrys future, will there be millions of citizens out of work, will there be that depression that is threatning us today. Will the new administration find a way to hold  us together till we mend from the worst negelect and corruption
and incompentence ever. Could we at least hope to see some of these people in jail, (dreaming again).
marty
My, if this is part of the underline, your Washington self serving paper hangers have their paint buckets ready. Now is the time for painting a new face on old failures, so wheres all the great change! LMFAO
Stop the bailouts now!! None for the automotive and no more for the capitalist welfare queens on wall street
"The liberal blogosphere is not happy with this decision, and they believe Dems will pay for this at some point."

The penalty will be the same one Jimmy Carter paid. Obama will be stabbed in the back and undercut by members of his own party in congress when they find out they can do so without consequences.
This is with out a doubt the most insane piece wrote by Roomney.The ideology that the right has is this.You are Blue states,you have unions,you are not one of us.You are not wall street traders who we are more then happy to help out,banks screwed up,no problem,insurance giant AIG,how much ya need,main street got a problem,screw you.After the auto industry feed the Roomneys ,how quickly they forget.
Let's give the auto industry execs the money they're begging for so that they can return to their plush offices using their SPECIAL LUXURY PRIVATE JETS that they came in on (at a cost of $20,000+ r/t). See you in the soup line, boys.
I think the liberal blogosphere is about to split.  In 2008, we DID vote for CHANGE... and all along, from his big speech in 2004 until now Obama has consistantly been of the mind that we have to engage everyone, even if they disagree.  I think its brilliant that he's keeping Lieberman, I think its brilliant he's reaching out to Republicans... the best way to beat your enemy is to be their friend and respect them.  Ultimately, I think Obama's agenda will be his and no one elses and I think the Republicans will go along because he will give them credit when they are right.  He truly is post-partisan.  I think the split in the liberal blogosphere will be between those who always thought Obama was just saying "there's no red American or blue American" because it sounded good and would get him elected, but in the back of their minds they really believed he would make it a "blue American" and between those who really believed, as Obama does, that bringing people together is the most effective way to get things done.  The problem with Washington for the longest time has not been that they necessarily always do the wrong thing... the problem is that they don't do much of anything because they can't get past the gridlock.  And I don't believe the best way to beat the gridlock is to have one-party completely dominate... but to have two parties who can work with each other.  We have a President who doesn't demonize the right... and I think for that simple matter... people should stop fearing the right because he has effectively taken away their mojo.  The more you try to gun for Republicans, the more energy you excite and the more partisan they become... but when the tone changes, and you accept them... then they become less partisan.  I think Obama is creating a middle-left agenda... not a left-left one.
Is it true that the New York Times is actually up for sale? Or will be shortly?

What will Obama do without it?
------------------------------------------------------Little Nardi, don't worry.  He still has the Washington Post, MSNBC, Newsweek, Time, CNN, and CBS to fawn all over him.
During the campaign, Obama got a lot of flack for noting that he had become a symbol to people.  I think he knew precisely what he was talking about.  Each faction/group that supports or opposses him has expectations of how he'll govern based in part on who they believe (want ) him to be.  A revolutionary leader, a terrorist sympathizer, anti-war advocate, socialist, post-partisan, slick huckster, staunch environmentalist, etc.  The truth is, most people have scant evidence to support their assumptions of who he is and how he'll perform, good or bad.  And yet, before he has even officially taken office people are passing judgement?  The greatest threat to Democracy is not Bush and Cheney, tax and spend liberals, or even the amount of money in politics.  It's overinflated egos, short attention spans, insatiable appetites for the new, and an inability to really think critically that keeps us dancing with chimeras and arguing with spectres.
I'm glad to see most of the old guard of the GOP already gone or leaving the senate this year, and there are a few old guard of the Dems I'd like to se leave, as well. However, if any of us think that means we've gone post-partisan, all they need to do is read the blogs. I'm sorry to see that partisainship is alive and well in the blogsphere.
Let's wait and see the list of Bush pardons before the Republicans can  pass judgement on Clinton's as well as the people he is giving lifetime apts. to.

It is a sad indictment on reporters when they fail to report the incredible credentials Holder brings to the AG position and overlook the horrendous job Gonzales outsider did to its reputation.
"Of course, the big question is: How messy will his confirmation be given the Marc Rich pardon? "


After Bush pardons himself and Cheney on his way out of town? You'd have to be a psychotic whiner to say anything. Oh, wait......there will be lots of whining.
j fl: '...Is this the same Tom Friedman who says the war was the right thing to do and Bush made the right decision? Oh yea, so this guys hot air blathering about the Clintons must be right on target....NOT!..'

THANK YOU !!

It's the same CLOWN who was pushing NAFTA and 'Free Trade' (sic) and De-Regulation

Tom Friedman is like Newt Gingrich
Tow BOZOS who are ALWAYS wrong but keep acting like experts

After hearing their advice, we're left holding the bag on stupid wars and stupid policies



Hillary is the perfect example to my very successful daughters.

Jaye Lewis, Marion, VA

You daughters now know it's acceptable to be abused by their husbands?
Clara in Kansas City, could you be any more self-righteous and condescending when you write?   We'd all like to be as smart as you are, of course, but not everyone can quite achieve that disdain for anyone who might actually have the nerve to disagree with you.    
Clara --> If you showed any grasp of trends or basic intellectual curiosity, you could certainly come up with a more creative, plausible explanation for the market fluctuations. <--

Dearest Clara: The market is all about the future and is nothing about the past. Obama has stated he intends to raise taxes like income taxes, corporate taxes, capital gains taxes, the list goes on and on. With a liberal Democratic congress, there is nothing in place to stop Obama from doing that. The market works with what it has, and what is has is a man, Obama, that will do nothing to stimulate the economy, but will do everything to slow the economy. This is the cause of the market dive. The market is just dealing with the reality of the situation. Rather then bow before Obama, you need to learn to take your blinders off and to have a critical eye towards the man that will be President.
Hilary has to much baggage to be SOS. I will always have problems with people who claim to be the target of an assissin's gun fire when in fact it never took place. I would like to see someone who is strong and will remain calm under pressure. I would like to see Al Gore as SOS.
No truer words have been spoken Bill Austin from Texas! Excellent comment.
The auto industry issue is a Catch-22 issue. On the one hand most I feel do not want to bail out the auto manufacturers who themselves created their own problems by ignoring the need to quickly re-tool and to restructure their product into fuel efficient, energy saving, affordable vehicles. But yet many do not want to see as many as 3 million workers lose their jobs.

Perhaps this is the answer. Let the auto industry go under where one or two will eventually make it following bankruptcy. The permanent loss of one of these comapnies will help the remaining one or two to survive. Take the requested auto industry bail out money, add it to what is left of the market bail out money, and distribute it among the taxpayers. This would result in approx. 200,000 per taxpayer that would allow those laid off from the auto industry to get by along with their unemployment until they can retrain for or find other employment, or invest in or start their own energy saving business as wind, solar, etc.  
HRC just isn't going to be president.  You don't have to be a democrat to see it.  The economy is in the tank, 2 wars, and the world loathes us.  Obama (as could a number of other people with a pulse) will provide noticeable relief.  He will be able to say 'are you better off now than you were 4 years ago' in 2012.  And he will be re-elected.

Clinton is 60 or 61 - now.  Can't run for 8 years.  It ain't happening.  The landscape changed under her feet already; the electability picture for her will worsen, not get better, in the years to come.

She has to think about who she wants to be and what she wants to accomplish - short of the White House.  Greatness is still an option.
I guess in hindsight it's a good idea to have Senators McCain and Clinton on President-elect Obama's side. It surely will help.

I just wonder though - if Senator Clinton does in fact become Secretary of State, will the media grow up and lay off of her and her husband, and write about important things?

I see soap opera 24/7. I hope I'm wrong.
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If anyone is here from Tennessee, good luck with your football team. I can't say I enjoyed the Pats' undefeated season going into the Super Bowl. But it was the Bill Belichick & the Patriots and not too popular across the country.

Anyway, best of luck going forward. It's always a tremendous feat to get this far without a loss. I hope it continues.
Hillary is very much a role model for young females. She was cheated on numerous times, which is awful and rotten. However, their marriage and if she decided to stay is NOT OUR BUSINESS!! It was her decision to stay with him or not. SHE made the decision to keep the marriage going...for whatever reason. So what. Young females are smart enough to figure that situation out by themselves. But, it seems that other nosey folks who need to get a life just can't figure that one out.
Lieberman is essentially in Obama's pocket you guys!  Lieberman now actually OWES Obama one!  Do you really think that Obama had called for him to be removed either off the record or publicly that any of the Democrats would have went against him?  No they wouldn't have.  The whole retribution for Lieberman is small potatoes compared to the lame duck last minute stuff Dubbya is trying to push that Obama has to keep his eye on as well as the Economy, the Auto Industry, Health Care, etc.  A partisan fight by a pathetic, indignant Joe Lieberman would be an unwelcome distraction and he could have done some real damage on key issues.  Now he has to keep quiet and tow the line.  But there is a silver lining Though:  the Voters in Connecticut haven't forgotten what he did.  I'm quite sure he'll get his in 2010.  All the DNC has to do is make sure Joe doesn't win this time.  And Obama has taught them how.
The issue of the pardon of Rich and his partner, Green, is irrelevant. Justice had no dog in the fight and never even saw the application. Who now wants an excuse to quiz Scooter Libby, Rich's lawyer (1985 - 2000}?  
If the Obama transition team does not want any public speculation then they need to stop all their leaks. In a democracy with a communication system, and a story hungry media this is going to happen. I like to hear about Americans debating who is going run their government. Remember, this is a government for the people, and of the people. Open speculation is very healthy in a democracy. That is fact!
JT --> You don't have a clue because you are scared to death that Obama just might make a changes for the betterment of all Americans and not just for the few rich or the republican cult, who has been brain washed  that it is better for the rich to get richer and the American people to get screwed over and over and over - just like the last eight years by criminals like Cheney and his flunky Bush.


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