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HRC, State -- and the Constitution

Posted: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 1:55 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC’s Pete Williams

If President-elect Barack Obama nominates Hillary Clinton to be secretary of state, many legal scholars believe it would be the former law professor's first violation of the Constitution as president.

Why? Because the Constitution forbids the appointment of members of Congress to administration jobs if the salary of the job they'd take was raised while they were in Congress. (Article I, Section 6: "No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil office ... the Emoluments whereof shall have been encreased during such time."  Emoluments meaning salaries and benefits.)

Past presidents have confronted this problem repeatedly -- Taft in nominating Sen. Philander Knox to be secretary of state, Nixon in nominating Sen. William Saxbe to be attorney general, Carter in nominating Sen. Ed Muskie to be secretary of state, and Clinton in nominating Sen. Lloyd Bentsen to be treasury secretary, to name some notable examples.

The usual workaround is for Congress to lower the salary of the job back to what it was so that the nominee can take it without receiving the benefit of the pay increase that was approved while the nominee was in Congress. This maneuver, which has come to be known as "the Saxbe fix," addresses the clear intent of the Constitution, to prevent self-dealing.    

But many legal scholars believe it does not cure the Constitutional problem, because the language of Article I is so clearly an absolute prohibition: No senator or representative, period. 

"The content of the rule here is broader than its purpose,” said Professor Michael Stokes Paulsen, a Constitutional law expert at St. Thomas School of Law in Minneapolis. “And the rule is the rule; the purpose is not the rule.” 

"A 'fix' can rescind the salary,” he added, “but it cannot repeal historical events. The emoluments of the office had been increased. The rule specified in the text still controls.”

Having said all this, so what? If Obama goes ahead and nominates Clinton, it's doubtful the courts would entertain a lawsuit from an outraged citizen. Such generalized taxpayer lawsuits are disfavored by the federal courts. 

A more difficult case might come if a Secretary of State Clinton issued an order that put a specific citizen at a disadvantage. That might give rise to a lawsuit that could get some traction.

Even then, though, some legal scholars believe it would be a hard case to make. Former Clinton Justice Department solicitor general Walter Dellinger says there's reason to think that the official acts of someone in a federal office are valid, even if the person's qualifications for the office are in doubt.

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There is NOTHING that Hillary Clinton is not capable of doing.  She is (as the NY Times stated) Brilliant!
The bottom line is this. The President is the individual who makes all the "command decisions," and that is fact! The Secretary of State has one mission, and that is to enforce the decisions of the President around the world. If that is confusing for Hillary to figure out, then she will be out of a job. My guess is that she will be just fine.  
Please, after torture, listening in on Americans' phone calls, no habeas corpus, we're supposed to believe THIS would be a problem?  And doesn't Congress vote for their own raises anyway?  How ridiculous!
This is another example of a stupid law that doesn't take into account the real world. The original intent may have been good, but in practice it's stupid.
Easy fix if you want to keep to the letter of the law:

Congress passes a bill which decreases SecState pay to pre-Clinton level.  
I'm certain Nancy Pelosi will begin Impeachment Hearings ASAP after Hillary takes the job. She might as well do that, the ditz seems totally incapable of doing anything else.
Yawn ---- zzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Want some news: Just keep following the economy - that is what people are interested in right now.
This article being prohibitive to Hillary Clinton taking the Sec of State job would not bother me in the least.  I am conflicted about whether or not I even want her to take it.  On the one hand she could be a powerful voice in the senate to pass President Obama's legistlature, she can maintain her political structures so that she can run in 2016 if she so chooses and to run again for a senatorial campaign in 2010, and lets face it, a president usually goes through more than one Sec of State-so Hillary taking this job now means she's out of government after a few years.  On the other hand, she could be a HUGE problem for the Obama Administration, she has to be married to his vision, she can't have one of her own, her own celebrity is a giant spotlight on any and every dealing of the SOS office, the press are going to be looking for any minor differences and blowing them up into something they are not.  Its not going to be pretty and in the end, she'll be forced to step down.

I think that taking this position is a mistake for her.  Once Ted Kennedy retires she'll be a natural to take over the health care inititives.  She's missing out on doing so much more in the senate than she can as SOS.
That Professor Michael Stokes Paulsen would say...“And the rule is the rule; the purpose is not the rule” is just as stupid as that fool Allen Keyes. Allen Keyes is bringing the live birth certificate up again. He's claiming the big donors paid for a phony birth certificate. The purpose is stupid and trivial.
Again Allen Keyes is stuck on stupid; just like Professor Michael Stokes Paulsen, that stupid puppet Hannity, the 2 acidic mouthed Laura’s and Coulter, and fat windbag Limbaugh. This time they’ll see this is No Drama for President-elect Obama.
Thank you President-elect Obama for keeping a steady hand on problems Bush couldn't see.

P.S. Enjoy your Thanksgiving Day feasts everyone.

   HRC, is the new "Cheerleader", with a "steak-knife" for the new administration.  You just got to admire this women.  I am sure the "cartoonist", are going to paint her, like that old farm couple, one with the old guy with a pitch fork.
   I am sure those "Cheerleader's" from the South, are hideing out in the J.Edgar Hoover building, trying Hoover's old "Pink tu-tu's, having a G.O.P. of a time.....you just got to love it.......  
And the point of this article is? Is it to go after Hillary yet AGAIN? Why is it so many men are terrified of this woman? I don't get it. MSNBCs own nerdy guy David Schuster was doing an interview while filling in for Keith Olbermann and he actually asked the question, " will Senator Clinton be able to subordinate herself when working with Obama or not?" He used the word "subordinate". Now would he be using this word when discussing a male chosen for a position having to work with Obama? What is with the men in this country? Seems like quite a few spineless, scaredy, insecure men to me.
There's still a law on Oklahoma's books that say it's illegal to take a bite out of another person's hamburger.
Although she hasnt been named yet, I am sure she will do a good job for PE Obama. With a true affection for the constitution, I am sure if this has been faced before it should addressed formley. Everyone on this site have a wonderful Thanksgiving
marty
To Pete Williams:
Your first sentence..."former law professor's first violation of the Constitution". Then you go on to give 4 examples of how this issues was satisfactorily resolved without violating the Constitution.  

In short, Pete, your bias against Obama is showing.  
You could have discussed this topic in an educational manner without assuming a Constitutional violation.  Perhaps you have not noticed that Obama has stringent rules against using lobbists, has strict standards for new hires, is trying to create a cabinet without conflicts of interest.  Then you write this nonsense.
Pete: Don't be dumb.
Nonissue. In the very least, HRC can be like "I had no idea I would have taken this position after voting for the payraise... otherwise I would have suggested something even higher," and then everyone will chuckle to themselves and nod knowingly, and we can go back to worrying about the ... whatever we're worrying about next...

This morning Rasmussen markets report a significant (although long shot)possibility that Hillary Rodham Clinton will be President come January 20.

I said before and I say again, I will support the nominee of my party, Hillary Rodham Clinton (mugged by the super-delegates)!

You have not heard the last of this great woman and her wonderful family... not have you heard the last of the likes of me.

So many obstacles!!  Maybe we should see this as "someone" is trying to tell President-Elect Obama something.  Perhaps HRC is not to be his SOS.  Must be someone else in the whole USA.
If we are going to read the Constitution literally, w ord by word, it says,
"during the Time for which ****HE**** was elected, be appointed to any civil office"

Note the word "HE", not she. Hence this doesn't apply to Hillary!!


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