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First thoughts: Hat in hand

Posted: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:36 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Carrie Dann
*** Hat in hand: Obama today will be in Philadelphia, where he and Biden will sit down with Democratic and Republican governors, who want the federal government to help their states during these difficult economic times. Per the Obama transition office, Obama, Biden, and Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell (D) will make brief remarks at the top of the meeting -- which, besides pooled coverage at the beginning, will be closed to the press. But the governors aren’t the only ones who are begging for cash today. The automotive chiefs are back on Capitol Hill, hoping for a do-over after their disastrous previous trip to Congress. One big difference from last time: They aren’t arriving by private plane. But choosing a different mode of transportation is much easier than convincing a skeptical Congress on the need for a bailout.

*** We're all Georgians now: Reaching 60 Senate seats was always going to be a daunting challenge for Democrats this cycle, even in this kind of anti-Republican climate. And today's run-off in Georgia between incumbent Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R) and challenger Jim Martin (D) is the most difficult of the remaining hurdles for the Democrats to achieve that feat. (Regarding the other remaining hurdle, Al Franken trails Norm Coleman in Minnesota by 340 votes in the Star Tribune's count and 73, according to the Franken camp's count.) There are at least three things working against Martin. One, Democrats in recent years have had a rough time winning statewide office in this red state. Two, Chambliss just narrowly missed crossing the 50% threshold needed to avoid the run-off; by comparison, Martin won 46.8%. Three, that 46.8% came when Obama's name was on the ballot, and today it won't be. Indeed, African-American voters in the early-voting period for the run-off didn’t come out in the numbers they did for the general election. In short, Obama's decision not to campaign for Martin probably tells you all you need to know about this race. Of course, stranger things have happened in politics, but Chambliss is the clear favorite. Polls in Georgia open at 7:00 am ET and close at 7:00 pm ET. 

*** Recruiting matters: By the way, outgoing Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee Chairman Chuck Schumer has put together quite the two-year record, no doubt. And he really hasn't earned much criticism considering he's picked up more than a dozen Senate seats in two cycles (he’s currently at +13). But for these final two races that are standing between Democrats and 60 Senate seats, it's not exactly two stellar Democratic recruits. In fact, had Democrats found better candidates in both races, Democrats might not be in this current situation. Minnesota would already be in the bag, and Georgia might have been won on Election Day.

*** 'Left' out: Some liberals might have cringed yesterday seeing Obama unveil a national security team consisting of Hillary Clinton (who voted in favor of the Iraq war), Bob Gates (Bush's current Defense secretary), and Jim Jones (who is close to McCain). The truth is, however, that the president-elect is simply following through on a promise about changing the tone and creating a bipartisan atmosphere in Washington. Yes, Obama opposed the war in Iraq and probably owed his victory in the Iowa caucuses to that fact. But outside Iraq, he never pandered to the left as much as they thought he did; the left simply heard what they wanted in Obama. Some examples that come to mind: his reversal on FISA, his support for merit pay for teachers, and his championing of faith-based services. One other thought: With Gates staying at the Pentagon for about a year most likely, Obama has to pick a Democrat to succeed him, right? That would seemingly rule out someone like Chuck Hagel for the post. By the way, what is Hagel in line for, if anything? He does seem to be the one Obama Republican without a gig.

*** What’s left: Speaking of Hagel and other gigs, Obama has now rolled out about half his cabinet. Now left are the lower-profile posts, including Education, Labor, Energy, Interior, Agriculture, Transportation, and Veterans Affairs. (We've reported that Obama has filled Commerce and HHS, but he has yet to officially announce Richardson and Daschle.) Does Obama hope to get the same amount of attention for the final round of cabinet appointments as he's gotten so far with his economic and national security rollouts? We're guessing not, but the posts that are left are some of the issue meat-and-potato deals where the future of energy policy, health-care policy, and education policy could be formed.

*** It’s recess(ion) time: Yesterday, it was announced that the U.S. economy officially sank into recession last December -- which according to the New York Times, means that “the downturn is already longer than the average for all recessions since World War II.”  We have two questions. One, how stupid do these think tanks and government entities think the public is now that they tell us now we've been in a recession for the last year? Two, do the Obama folks wish they didn't get so much credit last week for the rise in the stock market? Credit last week, blame this week? Both were overstated. The Obama folks ought to stop trying to take credit for stock market rises at this point in the transition.

*** Looking at 2010: With the governors meeting with Obama, today is probably as good of a day as any to break down the 2009-2010 gubernatorial races. A couple of weeks ago, we noted that if Democrats don't hit 60 Senate seats now -- by winning in Georgia and Minnesota -- they're likely to achieve that feat after 2010, given the Dems' favorable map for the upcoming Senate cycle. But while Democrats might have the upper hand with the Senate races two years from now, Republicans appear to have the early advantage when it comes to the upcoming gubernatorial contests. Currently, Democrats hold a 29-to-21 edge in governorships. But those numbers will likely change after the 2009 races in New Jersey (where Corzine could be vulnerable) and Virginia (where Republican Bob McDonnell looks tough to beat), and after that the 2010 cycle, when Democrats have to defend 20 seats (at least 10 of which will be open seats) and Republicans have 16 to defend (with at least seven open seats). In fact, with legitimate pick-up opportunities in AZ, KS, MI, OK, TN, VA, and WY, Republicans could win back a majority of governorships by 2010. (The Dems' best pick-up opportunities right now seem to be in CA, HI, NV, and RI.) Why do these governor races matter? We have three words for you: 2011 congressional redistricting.

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So does anyone at thse meetings ever talk about cutting government spending rather then just printing more money?
Could we all be missing something over Senator Clinton being selected to become the next Secretary of State?  Am I the only one who feels that Barack and Hillary have become friends?  I will go so far as to state that Barack, Joe and Hillary are close.

One aspect of change Barack has already started…pragmatism trumps neo-con ideology
Didn't Obama mock Hillary's foreign policy experience during the campaign? He said that what she regarded at 'experience' was nothing more then having afternoon teas with foreign leaders. Now all of sudden she heads up State? Do when was Obama lying? Then, or now?
[[A couple of weeks ago, we noted that if Democrats don't hit 60 Senate seats now -- by winning in Georgia and Minnesota -- they're likely to achieve that feat after 2010, given the Dems' favorable ]]

What will be unfavorable for the Democrats is by 2010 Obama will finally have a real record. And with Obama-nomics, failure is a certainty. All that "favorable-ness" you speak of will be exactly what Obama is made up of today, a lot of hot air.
Stocks went down yesterday because Hillary was selected for State. That happens anytime she shows up. For some reason, the Democrats think celebrities can get the job done. That American public, and business leaders, know better then that.
"Two, do the Obama folks wish they didn't get so much credit last week for the rise in the stock market? Credit last week, blame this week? Both were overstated. The Obama folks ought to stop trying to take credit for stock market rises at this point in the transition."
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All I heard from the media was "Obama has to get out there in public, Obama has to get out there to bring back confidence on Wall Street - even though he wasn't yet the President.

I don't know if Obama was ever planning on bringing out anyone until he had his team firmly in place. But the media DEMANDED he come "out of hiding". I doubt he was hiding, wasn't it more that he was probably TRYING to put together his Administration. This does take time you know.

Wonder why no one DEMANDED President Bush to step up to the plate? He is afterall our President. Isn't he?
I am not anti-media, but sometimes you have such a strong memory of what you said or wrote that it takes the place of reality. I never heard the Obama people taking credit for the rise in the stock market; that speculation came from the media.
The liberals who keep whining about Hillary and other more conservative picks need to get a grip on reality.  We need to be smarter than the evangelical christian lunatic fringe who only wanted their own kind in power and brooked no opposition.  Obama is making a lot of smart picks and we need to look at the totality of his picks rather than just focusing on a few individuals.  While I don't like him keeping Gates on or having Jones on the team I still feel Obama is making smart choices overall.

Now it's official that "Idiot" Bush has caused two recessions in his 8 year reign of incompetence and terror.  So glad that there are only 49 days left of this national nightmare.  Prison would be too good for this criminal but I hope that the Democrats investigate and report all of his crimes to the people.
"We're all Georgians now:"
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lol

Great subhead guys!

Reminds me of the good old days when every international incident was spun into a campaign advantage . . .

Remember all the posturing about the assisination of Benazir Bhutto? Remember President-Elect Obama's overseas trip? Remember the hostages being released in Columbia so conveniently when John McCain was in town?

Ah memories! :)

FR: ( In fact, had Democrats found better candidates in both races, Democrats might not be in this current situation. )

Um, same is true for the Republicans. Many Republicans decided to be just like the Democrats, and we see where that got them. The Republicans have done nothing more then clean out the Rinos and pave the way for real conservatives to move up in their places. The Democrats are stuck with the same old liberals they've had for years. Change? None on the left.

Let's hope the repugnant ones don't win more governorships in 2010 so they can screw up the balance of power with their nefarious redistricting scams.  Look at the mess they made last time, especially in texas.

I wouldn't say that the remaining Cabinet posts that need to be filled are lesser ones or unimportant.  I've been miffed that Veterans Affairs hasn't been given more respect and money the past 8 years.  Energy is also another very important area that needs more emphasis.  I hope that Hagel gets Veteran's Affairs as I'm sure he would give vets the respect and support they deserve, something the repugnant ones have failed utterly to do.
"...but Chambliss is the clear favorite."  Ugh, I think we are using the term 'favorite' a little loosely here.
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"It’s recess(ion) time" - this whole paragraph is silly.  Is it possible that the market tanked yesterday due to the fact that many realized our government has 'covered up' the recession for a year, during an election even.  If the market is indicating anything right now, I think it is indicating a complete DISTRUST for Government AND the Corporations that have been in bed with Government for the past eight years.  We all believe our mattresses are better equipped to handle the privitization of profit and the public sharing of losses?  I don't recall hearing anyone from the Obama camp taking credit for the market last week.  More media spin was what I saw.
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and from yesterday:
“No President in American history liberated more people that George W. Bush. Over 50 million and less soldiers have died under Bush than Bill Clinton. Facts we must accept and live with. Sandy Moore
I did not realize that. Those are truly amazing stats. Impressive.”  Kathy, Charlotte (Sent Monday, December 01, 2008 6:27 PM)

I know you both can’t be stupid, I mean you found your way to the ‘internets’; but have you ever thought about maybe ‘googling’ or fact checking ANY of the emails you see?  Or any of the crap that you read?  This took me less than three minutes.  I am not intentionally trying to be rude, merely pointing out that with a minimum amount of effort – you can find actual facts to support or dispel any truth or myth, respectively.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_more_soldiers_die_during_bill_clintons.html
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Gary Schear, bozeman Montana (Sent Monday, December 01, 2008 6:01 PM)  Good One!  You’ve still got it!
While the Virginia rule of voting for Governor of the opposite party of who is in the White House will be tested in 2009, the GOP in the last two years has lost the state senate, lost 4 house seats, and 3 congressional districts. McDonnell may be favored from name id, but whoever comes out of the primary will have the resources to win.
The media keeps talking about the Obama-Clinton relationship.  I watched David (Got-ya) Gregory and he was trying to drive a wedge into the relationship asking all sorts of dumb questions.  Nobody, nobody bit on his questions. BTW, Huffington has David as the new MTP moderator. I sure hope not!! He is the worst of the bunch. Back to Barack and Hillary.  Will Hillary get into Barack's inner circle. My guess she will always be on the edge, sometimes in, sometimes out.  She will have to earn her way in, then she will play lose with the truth and be out again.

BTW Where does MSNBC find these characters like Christopher Hitchens. Just because he has an English accent, doesn't make him intelligent or an expert on anything.  Olbermann has good solid analyists like Richard Wolfe on his show. Today's news will be about the auto industry.  Lets see what happens.  
Stocks went down yesterday because Hillary was selected for State. That happens anytime she shows up. For some reason, the Democrats think celebrities can get the job done. That American public, and business leaders, know better then that.
Graham Chickers (Sent Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:52 AM)
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How ignorant and uninformed can you be?  Stocks tumbled yesterday, because it was announced, officially, yesterday, that we are in a Recession, which actualy began Dec. 2007.  All sides agree Hillary was a good pick. So, the Stock market plunge had nothing to do with her.  Get a grip on reality Man!
I meant to say Democratic primary (Moran, Deeds, McAuliffe)
Why wouldn't the Govs what there share of the give away.This is called the gravy train effect.And as long as the money printing presses are working overtime,now is as good of time as any.I guess we the people will just keep above the water line so we can keep bailing out the fat cats,who ran these company's into the ground and are being rewarded.
Why does the media think those of us who call ourselves "liberals" would be upset with Obama's picks? I'm about as liberal as you can get and I find his cabinet picks not only acceptable, but brilliant on some picks. I campaigned and voted for him because of his judgement and intelligence and have no intentions on questioning that right now when he hasn't even been sworn in. No time in American history has a President-elect EVER been looked to prior to his swearing in, as President-Elect Obama has over these past few weeks. People are counting down the day until Bush leaves the White House; it will be a cleansing and new beginning that this country desperately needs. I, for one, am NOT disappointed in our President-Elect and I doubt many folks that voted for him are either. Give him a chance. He will prove to be one of our greatest presidents ever.
FR:  But outside Iraq, he never pandered to the left as much as they thought he did; the left simply heard what they wanted in Obama.

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No, we've paying close attention to all of it and will be keeping the pressure on, _especially_ about Iraq.
-- The liberals who keep whining about Hillary and other more conservative picks need to get a grip on reality. ---

Who needs to get a grip is the Leftists of the country who think Hillary is a "conservative" pick. Conservative? In what regard? She voted for the war? So did Biden, and he's no friend of anyone on the right. Hillary is a true leftist, a socialist. She's earned he liberal stripes 10 times over. The spin from the Left that Hillary is some kind of moderate is just that, spin.
While I don't like him keeping Gates on or having Jones on the team I still feel Obama is making smart choices overall.
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What's your problem with Gates and Jones, Eric?  Oh, that's right, any Republican has to be bad in your eyes.  Such an open-minded fella.
thanks to bush/cheney/rove/rush and the NO REGULATION rethugnutz crowd it is OFFICIAL we are in a recession and have been for a year but then everyday WORKING AMERICANS have known this for a while but leave it to the ANTI-AMERICAN crowd to try and blame OBAMA for it, it wont work AMERICANS know bush and his buudies are to blame.
Market is going up today. Time for Obama to jump in and take the credit.
Looks like the far left that voted for Mr. Obama have been "left" out, can those far leftist say "see ya"!  Boy did you get fooled! Now who do they support?
Rahm Emanuel,  David   Axelrod,  Ronald Klain, Larry Summers, Paul   Volcker, Tim Geithner and Peter Orszag.  Maybe it's  just because I'm Jewish, but am I the only one  noticing  that Obama and Biden are not so much assembling staff, as   gathering a   minyan?

and from yesterday:
“No President in American history liberated more people that George W. Bush. Over 50 million and less soldiers have died under Bush than Bill Clinton. Facts we must accept and live with. Sandy Moore
I did not realize that. Those are truly amazing stats. Impressive.”  Kathy, Charlotte (Sent Monday, December 01, 2008 6:27 PM)

JUST FOR CLARFICATION, THAT'S PUMA KATHY, NOT blkbtrfly Kathy, Charlotte
I don't think people should ridicule the left wing/progressive media side of the Democratic Party.

They're the only ones who got it right with our current Administration. It's really amusing to read and listen to all the rhetoric being made up about Obama/Clinton from so-called professionals.

GWB got a free pass for years. EXCEPT with the left wing media. The MSM media is rarely correct anymore. They seem to be nothing more than gossipers. Especially the pundits on tv. Pretty bad when we're in such a crisis. It's a shame really.

Where was the media this past year? Covering the recession? No.

Covering Reverend Wright and Sarah Palin. I just thank my lucky stars it's not McCain and Palin up on that stage trying to figure out how to jump start our economy. And I thank my lucky stars for Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow and DailyKos and Arianna Huffington and Lawrence O’Donnell.  

Chris Matthews made no sense last night surmising about why Obama picked Clinton. It was ridiculous.
Does it matter to Liberals if our troops die in Iraq, or Afghanistan?
The Obama folks ought to stop trying to take credit for stock market rises at this point in the transition.
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There is one thing the Obama folks can’t take credit for and that is the recess(ion). Neo-cons, does Voodoo economics, trickle down, and read my lips no taxes, refresh your memories?
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Socialists never change their stripes. Just watch Obama if you need proof.
Tigger Stripes (Sent Monday, December 01, 2008 5:46 PM)
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You are absolutely, correct, that describes Bush and his predecessors. They have not changed their capalitstic Socialists’ actions as evidenced by the Wall Street meltdown, and the Big Lie … The Economy is fine. However, President Elect Obama’s, on the other hand is tagged as a liberal and progressive.
Before the next levy breaks, the next child is denied access to medical care; we should invest in infrastructure and follow President Elect Obama’s lead sensibly not blindly. If you have suggestions, here’s a link… We can all be a part starting audaciously from the bottom up. http://change.gov/
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These are the same things that happened in Chicago, but it didn't stop Illinois voters from voting for Obama.
Identical Twin (Sent Monday, December 01, 2008 5:37 PM)
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Illinois voted for Obama and most of America for change from lies, doom, and gloom; rather it was audacious hope to change. Follow President Elect Obama’s lead sensibly not blindly. If you have suggestions, here’s a link… We can all be a part starting audaciously from the bottom up. http://change.gov/


Speaking of nightmares, I see California is having problems paying it's bills LOL.

Maybe if they would stop spending money on taking care of illegal aliens and stop chasing business out of the state, maybe they could be healthy again.

But as long as Liberals continue to make the same mistakes they  always have, it will be their nightmare for a long time.
The spin from the Left that Hillary is some kind of moderate is just that, spin.
Spin Cycle (Sent Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:27 AM)

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Umm, what about republicans who call her moderate, including Rush?  Your post is misinforming.
Whatever bailout of the auto industry includes it SHOULD also include that all top executives be fired. Period.

Diane from Illinois


Brillant. Who would you have run the companies then, some guy off the street? Let the unions run it? Let the workers run it? Let the government run it?  Do you know anything at all about running a business? More populist bs from the Left.

Umm, what about republicans who call her moderate, including Rush?  Your post is misinforming.
Pat Huntington NY (Sent Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:27 AM)

Now liberals are agreeing with Limbaugh? Obama truly is a uniter!
Note to Graham Chickers -- The stocks did not go down yesterday because Hillary was announced as Obama's pick for SOS -- they went down because of all the bad economic news, primarily the announcement that the US has been in a RECESSION for the past year. Jeez, the Clinton-hates will SAY ANYTHING to "prove" their point, but the only point that's being proven is on the top of their heads.
You know -- all you whiners out there complaining about Hillary and/or Barack need to shut the f$#! up. He will be out next president, She will be our Sec of State - get over it.  As for what was said during the campaigns - will you give me a break? Did you hear the s*&t come from Regan about Bush 1 or the garbage from Bush 1 about Regan, yet they were the REPUBLICAN ticket TOGETHER!!  
Will you people stop trying to drive a wedge in to something just so you can feel good.  If you are unhappy with the results of the election or of Obama's selection for his cabinet - MOVE or run yourselves (then you can do it your way).  Otherwise will you let the country try to get back to the position we were in back in Jan 2001.  You know - back when we were not at war in 2 different countries, we had a triple digit surplus and people actually liked us in Europe.

I am so tired of people trying to point fingers and pick a fight when they are unhappy with the choice that 69 million Americans made.  Did you hear that is almost 25% of the population of the United States, not just the voting people!!! Only out done by Regan, once!!

If you are so unwilling to allow Pres Elect Obama to actually get into office before you start blaming him for the sky falling, maybe you should go to a country that doesnt change anything at all ever.  I think IRAN might just be the place for you or maybe Saudi Arabia - you know the place where theY kill the woman because she was raped!!

This country has been in the pockets of the Big Oil companies,the Haliburtons, and the Blackwaters long enough.  It is time the middle class to start to regain prosperity, seeing as how the middle class is pretty much what makes this country work.  Not the CEO's or the Big Wigs--they just bark orders and collect the money.
HAHAHAHAHAHAH OBAMAlosers you thought he would actually change things and look you got HILLIARY anyway hahahahahahahahahahah you see GATES hows that make your change feel and you know the best is that the obammawannabes still spin for him ohh how grand where is seirra now,hate hilliary,HA,shes your mouth to the world enjoy, HE WILL BE JUST LIKE BUSH with all his supporters yapping about the great job he did and before you know it eight years are gone and we can all look back and see the worst president in the world GWB,here is hoping I love hilliary and I like how Iraq is going with the surge and maybe things will work. Too bad LEFTIES your time came and went.
JTatEHT - THANK YOU! How dare you guys at MSNBC try and put that hype on Obama when you the media were whinning for him to step up and calm fears and fill the power vaccum Lame Duck Bush left. Try as you all might this isn't PE Obama's fight just yet and we still are living with the fallout of the last 8 years of incompetence under GWB whose watch IT STILL IS. Deal with it and then take up your criticisms with PE on Jan 20.
You wouold have voted for hilliary but she was as the rev put it A WHITE WOMAN,but they found a token place for her cant wait till she resigns like cyrus vance because the plan is wrong baby and not sit idely by and watch as the president BUSH runs the country into a war that you POWELL wont support except to the UN and everyone who heard his voice only to come back later and try and sidestep responsiblity well he did endorse OBAMMA
I really hope that Martin can pull an upset...
Saxby Shameless - is the draft-dodger that unseated Vietnam Vet and triple amputee Max Clealand by claiming that Clealand sided with the terrorists.

Now that it is official, America, is in a recession, I want someone in the journalist community to do a piece on Bush/Chenney and the increase in their personal wealth.  Opensecrets.com has their income increasing by the millions since in office.
Mr. Wallace needs to get a clue.  After 9/ll the war was begun to increase the personal war chests of these two robber barrons!  
The Bush/Chenney reign is the most vile and indecent regime ever let loose on America!  The nation they were to serve has only been a personal racketeering business for them and the oil companies.
Senator Obama was elected to end this war and the oil company'smonopolies.  He can stay if he does these two things in my opinion.
The market crashed because Paulson spoke yesterday. It rose because Obama named his team and offered his stimulus plans.

The world has no faith in the current administration. Which is why, because of the Dems insistance on a financial plan from the 3 the market is up today.
Brillant. Who would you have run the companies then, some guy off the street? Let the unions run it? Let the workers run it? Let the government run it?  Do you know anything at all about running a business? More populist bs from the Left.

                   Craig Liste, Texas
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Leave it to a righty to come up with this conclusion. Ever heard of hiring NEW people to run a company instead of the ones that ran it into the ground???? Or is THAT ought of your league? Probably think Palin is a good pick for 2012, too, huh? Geesh!
Speaking of nightmares, I see California is having problems paying it's bills LOL.

Maybe if they would stop spending money on taking care of illegal aliens and stop chasing business out of the state, maybe they could be healthy again.

But as long as Liberals continue to make the same mistakes they  always have, it will be their nightmare for a long time.
jerry/corpus christi texas (Sent Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:24 AM)
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Ummmmm....Jerry? You do know that your home of Texas hosts the highest population of illegal immigrants per capita in the United States right? You would'nt be so ignorant to post a comment like that about California without knowing the facts would you? A right-winger telling me that our national nightmare is our problem is nothing short of ridiculously stupid Jerry. You neo-cons created this mess and now sit back and point fingers as we try to fix it. You right-wingers display the maturity and mental fortitude of a 3rd grader. No wonder you were put in your place so resoundingly on Nov. 4th.

Hello my democartic and republican friends,

It is so amazing with all that is going on both domestically and internationally that people are still refering to one another as right wing or left wing. It's shame that we cannot put our petty ideologies aside for the sake of our country and children.  I would recommend that we all step back and help our communities regardless of affiliation. Bottom let's just get the job done and stop worrying about who the heck is getting the credit. Ameicans First!
Sen. Mel Martinez (D, FL) just announced he will not seek re-election.
Oh come on, Frank in MD -- conservatives are NOT the only "real Americans" who care about our country and our troops. You just hate "liberals" (i.e., anyone to the left of your far-right position) so much that you'd SAY ANYTHING, and let the facts be damned.
Jerry..you want us to be as healthy as we are now under republican rule...hmmmmm...like the last 8 yrs I suppose?
>>>No President in American history liberated more people that George W. Bush. Over 50 million and less soldiers have died under Bush than Bill Clinton. Facts we must accept and live with.
Sandy Moore, Indy (Sent Monday, December 01, 2008 4:19 PM)

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I'll accept these "facts" when you cite a source for them (and Blogs don't count).

50 Days Until Inauguration Day!
http://jawillie.blog.com

ABC NEWS Sunday Morning with Greorge Stephanopolis this past Sunday. (Source)
Eric and others: it's not the Liberals who are whining. It's right wingnuts pretending to be us. I have noticed a lot of "new" people on here who claim to be libs complaining about Hillary, the market, the cabinet picks are lousy, etc., but one can tell they are not what they claim to be! I haven't seen one of us who write on here regularly going nuts with Obama picks. It's just the right wanting him to look bad.
>>>No President in American history liberated more people that George W. Bush. Over 50 million and less soldiers have died under Bush than Bill Clinton. Facts we must accept and live with.
Sandy Moore, Indy (Sent Monday, December 01, 2008 4:19 PM)

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I'll accept these "facts" when you cite a source for them (and Blogs don't count).

50 Days Until Inauguration Day!
http://jawillie.blog.com

ABC NEWS Sunday Morning with Greorge Stephanopolis this past Sunday. (Source)


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