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Congress: The auto bailout

Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:16 AM by Mark Murray
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The United Auto Workers announced the union would make major concessions in its contract with US automakers in order to help the Big Three lobby Congress for bailout money. "The surprising move by the U.A.W. could be a critical factor in the automakers’ bid not only to get government assistance, but also to become competitive with the cost structure of nonunion plants operated by foreign automakers in the United States."

Video: GM’s CEO Rick Wagoner answers questions as he arrives at a hearing on Capitol Hill on an autos industry bailout.

More: "Labor experts said the ground given by the union underscored the precarious condition of the Detroit companies, as the U.A.W.’s own prospects for survival are also in doubt. ‘It is an historic and awfully difficult moment for the U.A.W.,’ said Harley Shaiken, professor of labor studies at the University of California, Berkeley."

The UAW made the white-collar-vs.-blue-collar bailout argument. "Gettelfinger complained that, after workers agreed to major concessions in 2005 and 2007, the union and the companies were being asked to make significant new sacrifices in order to secure federal aid, while big financial institutions such as Citigroup gave up relatively little to secure much larger amounts of taxpayer money. ‘Are we going to blame the autoworkers, who are by the way 10% of the cost of an automobile . . . or are we going to take a look at what's happened to our economy, to the housing crunch, to the Wall Street bailout and the failures on Wall Street,’ Gettelfinger said during a televised Detroit news conference as union members cheered.”

The good news for the automakers: There's a consensus between congressional Dems and President Bush to bail them out. The sticking point, per Bloomberg: Congressional Dems want to use TARP, while "Bush and congressional Republicans are pushing to use instead some of the $25 billion for the development of fuel-efficient vehicles approved in a 2007 energy bill."

"Adding to their disappointment of failing to secure a filibuster-proof majority in the 111th Congress, Senate Democrats have most likely said goodbye to any hope of holding a three-seat majority on committees as well."

A new kind of Palin effect? Florida GOP Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen hung up on both Obama and Rahm Emanuel yesterday because she thought the calls were hoaxes.

"The prospect of Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-Calif.) leaving Congress to become U.S. trade representative has reopened jockeying for a leadership position that had been settled quietly last month," The Hill reports.

It looks like Nancy Pelosi's office is pushing back a bit on Charlie Rangel's public proclamation that Pelosi pledged to support him in keeping his Ways and Means Committee chairmanship. "Rangel on Tuesday boasted to reporters that Pelosi had pledged to support him as chairman despite an ongoing ethics probe and various media articles that have negatively portrayed the New York lawmaker.” More: "But one House Democratic leadership aide said Rangel ‘went too far at interpreting what she said’ publicly.”

“The staffer referred to comments Pelosi made at a forum at Hunter College in New York on Monday. ‘As you know, the particulars of Chairman Rangel’s case are before the ethics committee now,’ she said. ‘We had been assured early on that they would have their work finished by the end of this Congress, which is just a few more weeks. And I think Mr. Rangel, who is a Korean War hero, who has been a great public servant in our country, deserves the opportunity to have his case heard and resolved by the ethics committee. And that, as I say, is not a long way off. It’s just a matter of weeks.’”

“Asked if Rangel would lose his gavel after the ethics panel report is released, Pelosi said she would have to review what the committee finds.”

Meanwhile, the New York Times isn't taking the Rangel complaints about its coverage lying down. The New York Times decides to refute Rangel's angry letter.

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It's good to see the UAW make smart concessions in order to help preserve their workforce in the flailing auto industry the auto execs wrecked with stupid policies and gas guzzling vehicles that break down too often.  Congress needs to do something quick to save the auto industry from collapsing and putting millions more out of work.

That clueless repugnant one who hung up on Obama and Rahm is the hoax, she's a hoax of being an intelligent person.  Another idiot with a clueless staff.
‘Are we going to blame the autoworkers, who are by the way 10% of the cost of an automobile...'

How can there be a retiree support cost of $2,000 per car added to cost of current labor (as is frequently reported) and have "labor cost" be 10% of say a $25,000 car.  If "autoworker" labor is burden on car from cost of labor contracts including "alumni" care, there seems something wrong with this figure.
Sure, keep paying the UAW workers twice what the foreign auto workers are making in this country. See where that gets you. Hope the UAW workers wrists are strong, they'll need them to flip those burgers their going to be making.
Where is the love?
More protectionist crap and top management is so concerned about main street..
Jokes on the tax payers! AGAIN!!!!
Once again the working man's taking the blunt of the blame for the big three's problem's.While the Exec's have huge multi- million dollar salaries,and have not had a successful plan, and didn't keep there eye on the prize.Of coarse if we had a Prez that had a few ounces of biz sense or gave a rats a$$ about a union company,which neo-cons have killed every union they can,they might have not ruined the economy.I understand now why the Bush admin let Lehman Bros,fail,it was reviled that one of the new owners is George Walker,cousin of George W.BUSH .Something stinks about this.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Stop head hunting the CEO's of the auto industry!!! Yes, I'll agree that the company's were mismanaged and fought progress....but it was not the fault of THESE CEO's. Ford and Chryler's top management has only been in place for 2 years, and GM's is a little under 4 years old. The auto industry is a slow business, it takes AT LEAST 4 years to move a new design from the drawing board to showroom floors, and that's assuming everything happens perfectly. The board of directors of auto industry saw 5 years ago they were loosing ground and their companies were headed in the wrong direction, so they cleaned house and brought in these new management teams. They simply haven't had the time to fully implement and reap the benefits of their new policies and management styles. These new green technologies are great, and I'm all for them, but they take time to develop, especially since they're not anything like what the engineers at these companies are used to dealing with. It's electromagnetism vs. thermal dynamics, very different fields of physics. The auto industry was on the road to repair and would have been just fine, been producing numerous hybrids with full electrics on the way if the economy hadn't soured and all sources of credit dried up. It's like being kicked when your down.
Every time I hear a Republican speak of the auto industry, they usually want the unions gone. A few months ago I read an article of a auto worker in Alabama that had to spend 25% of his wages to buy gas. The article said he made 8 dollars and change per hour, it did not say which company he worked for. This not a living wage.+++++Eric, Salinas, Ca.++++I agree with you most of the time and I do not approve of the GOP, but you should really lighten up a little with the name calling.
Should we bailout the auto industry?  Maybe.  There is an almost priceless infrastructure already in place; manufacturing facilities, supply network, distribution network and a well trained motivated workforce.  What is not in place is competent management.  Of the three management teams Ford seems to “get it” the most while GM’s team and CEO are clueless and delusional.  Two weeks ago GM’s CEO stated that the industry’s problems were all economy related and had nothing to do with management’s decisions.  This past week he spoke of his plan to focus on marketing and pushing high-end lines like Cadillac.  This guy has lost touch with reality.  Here’s what needs to be done:

1. Convert manufacturing facilities to build mostly hybrids, total electric cars and mass transit vehicles and do so by increasing plant automation.
2. Design cars and vehicles to be totally recyclable making the manufacturers responsible for doing the recycling at their plants with their labor force.  
3. Work with unions and the government to reduce cost by re-structuring retirement plans, job requirements and health care costs while minimizing layoffs.  
4. Reduce each company’s dealerships from 6,000 plus to 2,000.  
5. Fire the current management teams.  
6. Zero management bonuses or pay raises until the taxpayers make their money back.
Will the US Grow as a Nation?
A Cross Cultural Comparison of a Congressional Decision

Recently we have been faced with the question as whether as a nation do we stand and support each other as a nation or do we remain an immature country. The reason for stating this point is whether to help the big three auto companies with a bridge loan. Within all the western countries that have a domestic auto industry like Germany, Spain and Great Britain, all of them give financial support to their auto industry on regular bases. There are many important reasons why they do this.
One reason is that those countries know that their country can not survive financially if they allow themselves to believe in a pure form of Darwinian capitalism. This thinking is related to the fact that social human behavior in a corporate setting behaves in a racial mature manner not in a Darwinian style. For example the European countries have matured and have learned through experience that pure capitalism does not mix well in a true market. This is because it actually becomes destructive force to the health of their nations. The answer is that they have changed their ideology to a more social democracy form of governments. This does not mean that they have become completely socialistic it means that there democracy has matured and is more supportive as a nation.
The next viewpoint to look at is whether a decision to support the auto industry is morally right. A tool to use to answer this question is the study that was done by               (Kohlberg 1971) in which he lays out his six stage model of moral development. The fifth and sixth stages are a blueprint that emphasizes the need for moral decision making to be well-though out and ethical. This means that a decision should have a positive means to an end. In other words the voting decision that congress decides on should have a positive affect rather than a negative outcome. In other words if congress votes correctly they will support the auto workers because this will in the end be a positive outcome for the American public. But if they decided not to support the auto workers this would be considered under (Kohlberg 1971) an immoral decision by congress. This is because too many Americans will be hurt by the no vote.  
The next point then is whether the US congress decides to remain a selfish nation and only help the rich or do we understand that greed limits our ability to think objectively and support our auto industry. I hope that congress will choose to think in a mature manner and vote to approve a bridge loan to the US auto industry.
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Regarding these "overpaid" lineworkers...they buy homes, cars, eat at restaurants, go to ball games, pay taxes for schools, cops, firefighters, etc.  You want to whine about a loan (not a bailout) that is a fraction of what the banks got?  Try having three million of these tax-paying consumers out of work---now THAT would be expensive to the rest of us.
I cannot beleive that the UAW is agreeing to make more concessions. Over te last 20 years the wages that new auto workers get in 2008 are the same wages I got in 1990.  $14.00 per hour, reduced medical benefits, less job security and harder work.  At the same time, CEO's have made billions.  I'm for saving the jobs, firing the CEO's, using Michael Moore's plan of building fueless cares, mass transit and the like. SAVE THESE JOBS LIKE YOU SAVED WALL STREET OR THIS ECONOMY WILL COLLAPSE!
The plan discussed by the CEO of Ford includes building existing fuel efficient car designs built and sold in Europe. Cars with combined cycle fuel economy from 40.9 to 62.8 mpg using both gasoline and diesel engines. If the published figures are based on imperial gallons, using US gallons it would be 32.7 mpg to 50.3 mpg. Better mileage than any vehicles built or sold in the USA.

GM Opel builds cars including an SUV with combined cycle fuel economy from 37.2 to 62.8 mpg using both gasoline and diesel engines. If these figures are based on imperial gallons, using US gallons it would be 29.8 mpg to 50.2 mpg.

It will be interesting to see if Congress asks GM why they are talking about new designs when they could produce existing designs at far less cost.    
WE NEED THE BIG 3 BUT WE NEED THEM TO MAKE GREEN CARS AND COMPETE WITH THE OTHER MAKERS ,BUT WE MUST MAKE THE RULES THE SAME FOR ALL AUTO MFG. THE FOREIGN CAR MAKERS MUST PAY THE SAME COST FOR PARTS AND IMPORT COSTS.
According to the 2007 annual reports, both Ford & GM have less than 40% of their manufacturing base in North America.  If they get $25B, how much will go to subsidize workers in foreign countries?  On a prorata basis, only $10B will stay in North America. How many Canadian & Mexico plants are part of North America.  The US is only going to see a 5th of the money stay here.  Why give it to them?
We have no choice but to help the auto industry. There are too many jobs, spin offs involved that it
would be diasterous if we did not, and, our country
cannot afford too many more diasters.It appears they
are going to cut costs etc.
Yet the financial institutions, Paulson/Bush and the treasury dept, backing them with no requirements continue on with business as usual, thumbing their noses at the tax payers and using our money however they want. Just absolutely cannot understand how and why this is being allowed to happen.
We cannot let the automakers fail or export the jobs for cheaper labor.  If ever the need should arise, god for bid, the automakers are the ones who can quickly convert their facilities to manufacture vehichles for military use.  I, for one, would not want that technology exported to another country.

Jeeps and tanks from our friends in Mexico, Taiwan, or Korea?  Give them the loan.  Take partial ownership of the Big Three, but keep the factories and the jobs here in America!
I hope something can be put together for the auto industry. They need the bridge loans to get them through this recession and they need them now.  I really do not want to spend the holiday season in Michigan knowing that millions of my neighbors are out of a job.  Congress- please don't be the scrooge.
Congress wouldn't have to give the automakers a "bailout" if the banks we've given a bailout would ACTUALLY START LENDING. We really need to STOP giving the banks and other financial institutions any more money until we also tell them what they must do (or not do) with the money.
This whole mess smells like another "class war" -- give the white collar guys the cash with no strings and let the blue collar companies starve. Not that I love the auto execs -- if we do end up giving them some money, we need to demand that they cut all exec salaries and bonuses. The UAW has agreed to go down to near Burger King-wages just to keep their jobs, and the execs should have to feel some of that pain, too.
Bentley in NY,

Thank you for making me go hmmmmm. That's why I love First Read; it gives me other insights that I need to think about. Us blaming the Big Three CEO's for mismanagement is like Republicans blaming Clinton because of how the economy is TODAY (Like you can erase the last 8 years and like the Repubs weren't in charge of Congress for 6 of those 8 years)Okay, I get it now. Thanks again.
That clueless repugnant one who hung up on Obama and Rahm is the hoax, she's a hoax of being an intelligent person.  Another idiot with a clueless staff.
Eric, Salinas, CA (Sent Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:33 AM)


Eric, you've got to lighten up a little.  I found this episode hilarious.  SNL should do a skit on it.


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