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First thoughts: So who's corrupt now?

Posted: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:21 AM by Mark Murray
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Carrie Dann
*** So who’s corrupt now? Since his election last month, Obama and his team have masterfully choreographed every cabinet announcement, press conference, and meeting for maximum effect -- until yesterday, that is. On a day when the agenda was a meeting with Al Gore on energy and climate change, all hell broke lose after Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich (D) was arrested for allegedly offering Obama's Senate seat for some kind of payment in return. It didn't tell us anything new about Blagojevich (he had been straddling the ethical line for some time), or Illinois politics (Blago could become the state's fourth governor in 40 years to go to prison), or even Obama (who is in no way implicated in the government's report). But it does begin to advance a GOP argument that the Democrats -- who campaigned against a Republican "culture of corruption" -- are no longer so innocent themselves. Are the ethical and legal issues that have recently dogged some Democrats (William Jefferson, Tim Mahoney, Charlie Rangel) beginning to approach what we saw in the last few years from Republicans (Larry Craig, Duke Cunningham, Mark Foley, Bob Ney, Don Sherwood, Ted Stevens, etc.)? And while the term “culture of corruption” gets thrown around a lot, the fact is that a state possibly having four governors go to prison in 40 years is most definitely a culture of corruption.

Video: Federal prosecutors say Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich tried to "auction" Barack Obama's U.S. Senate seat in return for high-paying jobs for himself and his wife.  NBC's Lee Cowan reports.

*** The impact on Obama: As for the scandal’s impact on Obama, no doubt that it will be embarrassing for him and his incoming administration, even though the president-elect isn’t implicated here (in fact, the affidavit makes it crystal clear that Obama and his team weren’t willing to play ball). We’re probably going to see a top Obama aide -- Rahm Emanuel, Valerie Jarrett? -- on tape with Blagojevich. And that shouldn’t be too surprising (after all, why wouldn’t you return your governor’s phone calls in this post-election period?) But Obama also didn’t help himself with his initial comment yesterday on the matter. Unlike other Illinois Democrats, he didn’t condemn Blagojevich’s actions, if true. Instead, he said he was “saddened and sobered” by the news, adding that it wasn’t appropriate to comment on the issue. But then he later did comment, saying, "I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening.” Yet that contradicted an interview last month by Obama adviser David Axelrod, who said that Obama had spoken with Blagojevich about the vacancy. Axelrod issued a statement last night saying that he was “mistaken” in that interview. Team Obama's initial response yesterday to the scandal seemed par for the course: During his two years on the campaign trail, Obama often swung and missed on his initial statement regarding a controversy -- Bitter-gate and Jeremiah Wright come immediately to mind -- before finding a better response 24 to 48 hours later.

Video: TODAY's Meredith Vieira talks to NBC's Chuck Todd about the corruption allegations against Blagojevich, and the possible impact on Obama.

*** Why didn’t Dems do something earlier? Republicans have themselves a talking point they will constantly throw in Obama's face (and Rahm's and Axe's), simply because they are all Chicago pols. This means Obama will always have to look more transparent than usual and, well, less Chicago-y. The one criticism, by the way, that really could stick to the entire Illinois Democratic political establishment: passivity. It was a running joke for years that Blago had a corrupt side, so why didn't more Democrats step up. Sure, politics is politics, and sometimes you have stand by folks who you THINK are corrupt but you can't prove it since no one wants to sound like Joe McCarthy. Still, the passivity here is something that will likely tug at many Illinois Democrats. Could they have done something sooner?

*** Our other questions: Just how long will Blagojevich remain in office? Our understanding is that impeachment proceedings could take three months. What’s more, if the state legislature passes a bill calling for a special election to bypass Blagojevich’s appointment, the governor could possibly hold that up temporarily because he has 60 days to consider whether he’ll veto it or not. Also, what happens if Blagojevich makes an appointment? It’s important to point out that the US Senate doesn’t have to seat that person; the chamber has the power to seat a member. In addition, we understand that Illinois’ secretary of state has to certify the selection, and that person could decide not to certify Blago’s pick. Indeed, there appear to be plenty of ways to prevent Blagojevich’s selection from ever serving in the Senate. But there also appear to be plenty of ways for Blago to hold up this process. Remember, the governor's only bargaining chip is his office right now, and he's likely going to stay in it as long as he can if it means cutting himself a better deal with the feds. After all, if there's one thing we learned about Blago, he's always looking for leverage.

*** Collateral damage: Where to begin? First, there's the case of Charlie Rangel. Could he and his Ways and Means chairmanship become the first real casualty of the Blagojevich scandal? Speaker Nancy Pelosi told NBC’s Meredith Vieira earlier this week that Rangel shouldn’t have to step down as chairman for allegedly preserving a tax loophole that benefited a company whose executive had pledged $1 million to a center named after the New York Democrat. "Mr. Rangel, he loves our country,” Pelosi said. “He loves this Congress. He wants to do nothing but bring credit to it. And he'll be the first one to know what his course of action should be." But does the Blagojevich mess make it more difficult for Democrats to continue to defend Rangel, even if he hasn’t been charged of anything yet? And Rangel’s chairmanship isn’t the only possible collateral damage here. All gubernatorial appointments to fill Senate seats -- including Ruth Ann Minner’s surprising pick of Biden friend Ted Kaufman in Delaware, as well as David Paterson’s upcoming selection of Hillary’s replacement in New York -- are going to receive extra scrutiny. And then there’s the damage to all Chicago politicians. Does this make it more difficult for someone like Bill Daley to run for governor?

*** How long will the honeymoon last? While the Blagojevich scandal is embarrassing to the incoming Obama administration, polls are showing that the president-elect is enjoying quite a honeymoon right now. A new Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll shows that 74% of respondents have positive feelings about Obama’s presidential victory, 79% approve of the way he’s handling his transition, and 59% say they have a good idea of where Obama wants to lead the country. Are these numbers consistent with a new NBC/WSJ poll that comes out today? Tune into NBC Nightly News or log on to MSNBC.com at 6:30 pm ET for the answer.

*** So much for the doom and gloom: The election took place more than a month ago -- and feels longer than that -- but it’s still worth noting that things went pretty smoothly at the polling places. Per a new Pew survey, more than nine in 10 (91%) said it was very easy to find their polling place; more than eight in 10 (83%) said their polling place was very well run; and 75% said they were “very confident” their vote was counted as cast. Two conclusions to draw from this: One, when an election isn't that close, polling problems don't percolate. And two, the rush to vote early helped create a relief valve on our election day voting systems. It's more likely the latter is what helped the situation the most. 

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Comments

Excellent points C A, Tuscaloosa, AL  !!!! Excellent!
Interesting how the left keeps saying, well, this just makes up for Abramoff, etc.  Well, no it doesn't.  The left ran on the "Change Change Change" and "Culture of Corruption" mantras against Republicans.  They thought the Dems were above it and were going to clean things up.  Well, looks like the Dems are every bit as bad.  So, since the last few scandals are going against the Dems, perhaps the Republicans should run on the "Culture of Corruption" mantra and "Change Change Change".
What a laugher, apprently, the lefties on this board have not been watching their own commentary on GWB for the past 8 years.  The hypocricy of the left on this issue is devastating.  LIke they never ever tried to label someone based on the actions of another.  Heck, all through the 90's and early 2000's all they did was label everyone a Newt Gingrich.  It was the entire Democrat platform!!  Then, McCain is labelled just another GW.  Give me a break, these people are ignorant and are incapable of casting an intelligent vote.  
Ya know, the apples don't fall far from the tree.  When you grow up, as Obama did, in a corrupt Democratically controled political arena such as Chicago/Illinois, than your part of that mind set.  Don't tell me it hasn't rubbed off Barrack.  We as voters may be stupid, but we are not children!!
I'm beginning to have no hope for Wasington, DC putting our country first.  Way too much bipartisan and I don't see a way out of it.  People have become so corrupt, I doubt this will ever be a great country again, because of stupid politics!  Thanks, US government for respecting and getting along for the good of the country.  Stop the media, stop the bipartisan jerks - the left wing vs the right wing.  Back years ago, labels werent slapped on the people, we were just called "Americans".
Chuck, you forgot about the sweetheart loan that Senator Dodd, Chairman of Senate Banking Committee, received directly from Angelo Mozillo, CEO of the now defunct Countrywide Financial. That's the kind dirt that makes average people. who don't have the direct line to CEOs desk phones, angry. Larry Craig's and Mark Foley's issues were about sex, shouldn't that be a personal matter? Oh thats right only if you are a popular Democratic President that the media and other sycophants shill for.
Hey, it takes one to know one. Politics as usual.
Fraud, extortion, payoff's, blackmail. Its all part of the democratic game and has been for years.
The Obama administration will just be a Clinton repeat, just one crisis after another.
BTW, Larry Craig is NOT corruption.  If he had been a Democrat he would still be in office since his particular activity is accepted in those circles.  MSNBC just listed him in an attempt to make the Republican list longer.
I want to know how the President will handle himself in regards to Illinois.  If Barack cannot speak freely for any one of a bunch of obvious reasons then this will be the start of a miserable 4 years.  He deserves more from those around him and the country should give him that support.
While Blagojevich's despicable behavior trying to sell Obama's vacated Senate seat is bad it pales in comparison to the many crimes against our country and humanity that the bushwhacker administration has perpetrated
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I was waiting for the first person to make light of this and turn it around into a criticism of Bush.  You can always count on Eric in Salinas for coming through with some deranged hatred.  
Obama's response reminds me of George Bush's response on 9/11!  Hmmm...how similiar?
You can't help but wonder if Obama made some promises to his political friends in Illinois.  As someone else stated, it would be difficult to become Senator there without being part of the pay-to-play culture in that state.
Obama just has the misfortune of being a politician for Chicago but Blago will blow over in a few weeks and there is still a recession to deal with. The GOP are going to take anything, but they should be more concerened about learning how to get in touch with voters again rather than fixating on scandals that frankly don't concern them. Obama will do fine simply by letting Fitz do his work and Blago doing time/stepping down. The country really could care less about what happens in Ill. Anyone seeking to blame Obama is just another form of guilt by association which has never worked in politics unless it's tangible.
Well, Jerry CC, one thing you have to admit, most Democrats, and I especially, think regardless of party a crook should be removed from office.  I'd prefer it if each party weeded out their own crooks, but when they won't it is up to we the people to do it,unfortunately, no one took the time or interest to expose all of regan, bush sr, bush jr, & cheney's wrong doings.  And most republicans don't feel the same way i do about removing anyone from office who is corrupt regardless of party.  Guess it really does pay off if you own the media.  can anyone else say "clear channel communications'?
Throw Blago out of office & into the jail if he is guilty, if he is not, then you got a lot of appoligizing to do.
We are so silly in this country - we often forget:
Innocent until provem guilty.  I happen to think he is guilty, but then I won't be on the jury that tries him and neither will you.
Blagojevich is guilty? Absolutely. And he should go to jail. But I feel the exact same way about George Bush and Dick Cheney.

Diane from Illinois (Sent Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:55 AM)


Nice to see the "They do it too!" crowd is out in force today. Funny though, I don't recall Bush or Cheney doing anything in office that resulted in a personal gain for themselves.
The fact is no political party has a monopoly on corruption..both the republicans and the democrats have to stop the finger pointing and look inward.

Classic Dem response.  When it's a Republican, they're howling.  When it's a Democrat, it's 'we all need to stop the finger pointing.'
shouldn't the real question be WHO ISN'T CORRUPT?? Term limits need to be set to never allow these thugs (most politicians) to sit back and take avantage of the people. Three years tops. Hold them under a microscope the whole time. Lets do away with all the bells and whistles of being a politician. Lets hold them to the same standards as Prof. coaches and NCAA Coaches - Screw up GONE no benefits attached.
It seems to me that Obama is like Gotti, teflon. No matter who or what, Obama doesn't know or wasn't there. There is no way Obama was in Chicago politics for his career and stayed squeaky clean. In fact he won his first election by having his opponents disqualified. The Democratic machine is about to fall. Notice that the Rezko trial was scheduled for Oct. 28 but was put off because Rezko was going to name names. You Democrats can hide your head in the sand, but your behind is still exposed to your lack of ethics.
So sad for our country, another corrupt politician.
The republicans and the democrats have had their share of problems with men who put their egos and power above honor.
Chuck, your new format is confusing. Also your Q&A segments appear, disappear with never having all questions acknowledged. The first few are all you bother with.
Well said "C A" from Tuscaloosa, AL. I'm just waiting for what happened in Greece to happen here. Politicians, police, people in authority, in general, abuse the power given to them by the "people". I'm tired as you are of politicians using and abusing power. What! Are we turning into Rome now?? I'm tired of the police tazing college students for exercising the 1st amendment. Checkout youtube, plenty on there about that. This gen of youth and the next, I feel sorry for them, I'm ashamed that they have to see their elders show up in scandels daily.
Political affiliation makes no difference. If they are abusing their position (no matter how great or small), get them out of there, throw them in jail and throw away the keys.


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