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Domenico Montanaro, NBC News Political Reporter



First thoughts: No ordinary honeymoon

Posted: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:17 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Carrie Dann
*** No ordinary honeymoon: While the political world continues to focus on the Blagojevich scandal, which at this point has been only a headache for the incoming Obama administration (although he'll probably get a question -- or two or three -- about it at today's press conference), it’s important not to overlook this fact: Obama is enjoying a bigger honeymoon than his recent predecessors ever did. Just consider these numbers in the latest NBC/WSJ poll: 67% say they’re pleased with Obama’s early appointments, 75% believe that the level of his involvement in making policy has been exactly right, and his fav/unfav rating is 67%-16%. By comparison, a month after their initial presidential victories, Bush’s rating was 48%-35% and Clinton’s was 60%-19%. These scores -- combined with the fact that nearly 80% believe Obama will face bigger challenges than other recent presidents have, and 90% who say the nation’s economy has gotten worse over the past 12 months -- seem to have given Obama some leeway with the American public. “We’re seeing a president who has been given a longer leash by the American public,” says NBC/WSJ co-pollster Bill McInturff (R). “This is not a traditional start of a presidency where people give you just a couple of months.” For Obama that means, potentially, he has the opportunity to throw the long ball in his first year in office, as well as withstand an early setback or two. This combination of hope and despair is serving as potent political tonic. Then again, it will be interesting to see if the Blagojevich mess changes these numbers.

Video: NBC Political Director Chuck Todd offers his analysis of the latest NBC/WSJ poll.

*** Divorcing Bush: While the public is giving Obama a nice honeymoon, it’s finalizing its divorce from President Bush. A whopping 79% in the poll say they’re not going to miss him when he leaves office. That’s compared with 55% who said the same of Clinton in December of 2000. Moreover, almost half (48%) think that Bush will go down as one of the worst presidents in our history. Just 18% said that of Clinton and only 6% said that of Bush 41. But Bush 43 isn’t the only Republican who has taken a hit in the new NBC/WSJ poll. Dick Cheney leaves office with sporting an all-time low in his personal rating. And the Republican Party’s fav/unfav is 27%-52%, which is its lowest rating ever in the poll (by comparison, the Democratic Party’s is nearly reversed, 49%-28%). And get this: The most popular Republican we tested is Condi Rice, whose fav/unfav 47%-18%. But among Republicans only, the most popular is Palin -- with a whopping 73%-13% rating. But Palin's overall score is a net negative, 35%-45%, which means she fares poorly among Democrats and independents.

*** The Clintons rise again: It’s also worth noting that the poll shows a renaissance of sorts for the Clintons. Hillary’s fav/unfav is 53%-26%, which is her highest score since January ’99, when she was seen as the victim after the Lewinsky scandal. And Bill’s rating is 49%-29%, with his “very negative” score being the lowest we've ever seen it since January' 93. And whom do the Clintons have to thank for this rise in popularity? Obama. His decision to pick her has Obama supporters feeling better about the Clintons than they did during the contentious primary period of 2008. In addition, Michelle Obama has a 54%-15% rating, and 69% see her as a positive role model for women. That’s a higher number than Hillary Clinton ever scored on this question, even in December 1992. Of course, unlike Hillary in '92, Michelle Obama has not been singled out by her husband as a potential policy adviser, and the decision to keep her out of the politics of the transition has probably helped her overall image.

Video: GMAC, GM's financing company may not be able to participate in the finance recovery plan because of its inability to raise money to cover its outstanding debt, which could affect GM's auto bailout position. CNBC's Michelle Caruso-Cabrera reports.

*** Corporate America takes a hit: The House yesterday passed a $14 billion auto bailout, but its prospects in the Senate don’t look too good right now. And this debate on whether to help rescue the US automotive industry comes as the NBC/WSJ shows a low confidence in corporate America. Just 21% have positive feelings about Chrysler; it’s 25% for GM; 33% for Ford; 29% for Bank of America; 16% for Citibank; 11% for Fannie Mae; and just 8% for AIG. The only US corporation that scored well in the poll was Microsoft, which has a 57% favorable rating. Yet while corporate America is taking a hit and almost everyone’s opinion about the economy is down, there's still some optimism and a sense that we’re all in this together: 64% say they would be wiling to take a 5% pay cut if it meant saving jobs at their place of work. Take that result -- and couple it with the expectation in our poll that the two parties are more likely to work together than have partisan fights -- and you get the sense that the public is rooting for success, even among those folks who did not support Obama in the presidential election.

Video: The House passes a $14 billion auto bailout plan.  NBC's Mike Viqueira reports to MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.  

*** Special election vs. appointment: Today is Day Three of the Blagojevich scandal. And we’re seeing a divide between some Democrats (like Dick Durbin) who want a special election ASAP, and other Dems (like Harry Reid) who want an appointment instead, because they fear that a special election might not be winnable in this current political environment. In short, this whole Blagojevich mess could possibly cost Democrats a Senate seat in this blue state, if we see a special election. Notice on TODAY, current Lt. Gov. Patrick Quinn hinted that it would be better for the state of Illinois if it had two US senators in Washington ASAP. He didn't say it directly, but hinted that he would rather have the appointment power and let the 2010 be the year the voters have their say rather than dealing with a special election sooner.

 *** Mistake, baby, mistake? Here’s another interesting finding in the poll: Asked what’s the most important economic issue facing the country, 36% cited unemployment, 12% noted the budget deficit, 11% mentioned health care, 9% said the drop in the stock market, 8% cited housing prices and -- get this -- just 5% noted gas prices and energy costs. With gas prices below $2 a gallon, it’s not surprising that they now rank so low on list. But remember when McCain, during the summer as gas prices hovered around $4 per gallon, staked so much of his economic agenda on a gas-tax holiday and offshore drilling? “Drill, baby, drill” eventually became a GOP rallying cry, especially after McCain selected Alaska’s own Sarah Palin to be his running mate. The next time gas prices spike up again, candidates might want to remember this piece of advice: What goes up often will come down.

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Sudden thoughts and second thoughts

I am still in a post-election funk, and I see that I am not alone.  Oh well, in a short time we will have Obama’s Inauguration Speech et al.  Wasn’t this election season the best ever?  I have never seen the country so hyped before.  I will never forget the moments of this year and election night, will you?

I find myself almost giddy with the prospect of Caroline Kennedy becoming a U.S. Senator.  Down range, could she become out first female president?  She has so much going for her and is certainly qualified; and she is definitely better than Sarah!

What do we really want in Obama’s first term?  The economy has put a stop to many domestic agenda items he discussed in the campaign.  Is foreign policy the only area we will see vast improvement?  I see expectations are lower in most people’s mind.  How does the movie title go… “As good as it gets”?

Of all our former Presidents and Vice Presidents (which will include W and Dick on Jan 20), why can’t we get former VP Gore to lead us more on improving the climate-ecological problems we face?  He has done a lot, but is he still being blamed for Bill and losing in 2000?

Other than KO reporting most of Fox News, Limbaugh et al as WPITW every day, have you noticed the neo-con media is losing its grip on our society?  I have.

Finally, I pray to God nothing of this Blagojevich mess harms Barack or the transition team.  Please let this be true!!!
Republicans might be hitting a series of good news these days, but three polls of 2010 Senate races released yesterday show that they have a lot to worry about down the line. Many Republican incumbents (here, Voinovich, Bond and Burr) are highly endangered, just like in 08: http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/12/10/bond-burr-voinovich-are-vulnerable/
Gotta love those goofy Liberal polls...

For Obama, the waiting begins.  Will Blago turn on Obama to save himself?  Will Obama pardon Blago when he is sent to prison?

His wife seems to be the same sleazy kind of person her husband.  Nice example she is showing her daughters.

I wonder if they are also looking at How Michelle Obama got that pay raise at the hospital where she worked at?  Sure got a nice raise after the earmark money came in.....
'Drill baby, drill' has truly become 'jobs baby, jobs'.

Gas prices have dropped back out of the stratosphere, but jobs are disappearing in record numbers.  THAT is the challenge right now.  If we fix the job outlook and the economy, then we can start serious work on reduction of our dependence on foreign oil.

http://thepajamapundit.com/
"Obama is enjoying a bigger honeymoon than his recent predecessors ever did."
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And isn't that the problem? With so many people happy with their president, what is there for the pundits to opine about? The MSM has gotten so used to presidential controversy that without it, they don't know what to do with themselves. So they instead try to manufacture one, suggesting nefarious connections and relationships to Obama that do NOT EXIST. Well, the MSM never actually SAY those connections exist, they just say "hmmmm, maybe there is something we don't know, and if so you should be VERY SUSPICIOUS of it (even though we aren't referring to anything specific and are just sowing seeds of doubt in our new leader for the sake of TV ratings)."

The MSM needs to go suck a fat one. This "guilty-by-association-until-proven-innocent" crap needs to stop. You are losing what little credibility you have left.
I think Barak Hussein Obama is the best president elect ever in the world!
There's a reason for President-elect's continued honeymoon with the public. It's because the GOP are idiots. And the country is full of hope, looking forward to an Obama Administration.

Javert, Les Miserables - An obsessive police inspector who continuously hunts down Valjean, a good and decent man.
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I wonder if you all remember that guy in Mel Brooks' picture The Producers, Kenneth Marrs. He played the slightly deranged Nazi playwright, Franz Liebkind (means love child) who wrote a play as a love letter to his idol entitled Springtime for Hitler. His neighbor referred to him as the Kraut. His love for the Fuhrer was absolute. And he was hilarious.

Does he remind you of Sean Hannity? No matter what Bush does, or anyone for that matter in the GOP, it just doesn't shake Hannity's loyalty to his party.

Sean's party is alive and kicking with their usual propaganda and out to find any lie they can to pin on President-elect Obama. Only unlike Franz Liebkind, Hannity isn't funny. He is more out of the Javert/Les Miserables mode. And he has his usual low life Republicans with him on his program doing his bidding for him. It's really disturbing at this point.

There is nothing intelligent or ethical about Hannity, Michael Steele, Bill Kristol, Newt Gingrich or any of them over there at Fox. They will spend the rest of their lives hunting down Democrats, while looking the other way while their own party sinks this once great country and its citizens further into the ground. They are pitiful.

And they are all over the air waves, especially on AM radio. How much more damage I wonder do they want to inflict? Haven't they learned that the Republican Party, a party thankfully cornered mainly in the south, are not wanted because of exactly what they're doing right now still? Haven't they learned a thing?

They are just mean and hateful. How can anyone go through life like that? What an awful waste of human life. It's not politics. It's much much more at this point. It's derangement.

Everyone in the Republican Party should read Les Miserables. It's them in a nutshell. And it will explain why there will be further backlash in upcoming elections. Normal thinking people caught on to their madness quite a while ago.

Unfortunately it may be too little too late. Hopefully not. We’ll see.
"In addition, Michelle Obama has a 54%-15% rating, and 69% see her as a positive role model for women."
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First of all, Michelle is awesome. But these numbers don't even add up. 69% think she's a great role model for women, but only 54% approve of her???? So... that means 13% simultaneously think she's a great role model AND they disapprove of her? Alrighty then....
"Then again, it will be interesting to see if the Blagojevich mess changes these numbers. "
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Why is it so hard for people in the media to believe that President Elect Barack Obama is exactly who he says he is?


It is possible to be surrounded by bad people and not be a bad person yourself.

If people like Barack Obama don't participate in politics and just let the crooks run things, how will we ever clean up politics?

The media's need to bring President Elect Barack Obama down a peg is palpable and sad. How many times will Barack Obama have to pay for other people's crimes?

How are the American people uplifted by this latest guilt-by-association misadventure?
"The only ones among you who will be really happy are those who will have sought and found how to serve."
FR >> candidates might want to remember this piece of advice: What goes up often will come down. <<

Just like Barack Obama's popularity. That will happen once people figure out the man has no political soul.
As much as the right wingers and others who are salivating at the thought of Obama getting caught up in Blago fiasco, most Americans see Obama as honest, truthful and hardworking. It is no wonder his approval ratings are so high.

Thank you, Harold Ford, Jr. for pushing Pat Buchanan to dial back his hurtful assumptions that the Obama folk know more than they are telling. Morning Joe gets harder and harder to watch these days.
That Palin is the republican's favorite, shows the party is so out of touch.  She's dumb. Plain and simple. And so is anyone who supports her.  
I love polls. We should run our country by them.
Obama needs to just keep moving forward, and get ready for next year. The current "incompetent/greedy" President is going to do whatever he wants anyway. As for "Screwjevich" he is politically dead, and should not be given the time of day. The Criminal Justice System will take care of him from here. Obama is very, Presidential, politically smart, and makes correct moral judgements, to ever get involved with "Screwjevich." That is fact!
This just in. 62% of people think chocolate milk tastes like chocolate!
Yeah it's so much fun that we are divorcing the bushwhacker, the worst president in history.  Too bad we can't go somewhere to get a quickie divorce so we can have Obama in office now.

Corporate America deserves to take a big hit for the despicable way they've sold our labor force out to outsourcing, thus bringing on this whole financial mess.  We had 23 million new jobs under Clinton and only 3.7 million and shrinking under the incompetent economic stewardship of "Tyrant" Bush.

Divorce Bushwhacker Now!
The Liberal Media will be giving Obama one big French kiss for a long, long time. Be sure to gargle now.
Hey where is the link to Frist Read on the Politics main page?  Please restore the link so that it isn't so diffuclt to get here.

I am so laughing that the Clinton's popularity is rising again.  After so many years and so much money wasted on bashing them the repugnant ones can only whine that they were failures at bashing the good Clinton brand.  Unlike the Clinton's the bushwhacker will never have his popularity rise again as he will be the new standard of how low a president can sink.

One thing positive to say about Blagojevich is that he's now given the liberal comedians new material.  Lots of great political cartoons coming out because of this buffoon and Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are having a field day with him.
>>>67% say they’re pleased with Obama’s early appointments, 75% believe that the level of his involvement in making policy has been exactly right, and his fav/unfav rating is 67%-16%.

>>>A whopping 79% in the poll say they’re not going to miss [Bush] when he leaves office....Moreover, almost half (48%) think that Bush will go down as one of the worst presidents in our history....Dick Cheney leaves office with sporting an all-time low in his personal rating. And the Republican Party’s fav/unfav is 27%-52%, which is its lowest rating ever in the poll...The most popular Republican we tested is Condi Rice, whose fav/unfav 47%-18%. But among Republicans only, the most popular is Palin -- with a whopping 73%-13% rating.
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Poor, poor Repbulicans.  They're all so jealous because all they have is Silly Sarah to prop up their party.  I guess this is why they're so desperate to hang this whole Blago-gate thing around Obama.  The want us to forget that they were the ones in power for 6 of the last 8 years (and blocked everything they could for the last two).  The only thing they can do is to try and tear Obama down, and they'll waste the next 8 years (not to mention loads of taxpayer dollars) trying to do just that, just like they did with Clinton.  Oh how the pathetic have fallen.

40 Days Until Inauguration Day!
http://jawillie.blog.com
Polls showing the American people are good news. The media has tried hard to stir things up with unhappy liberals etc but thankfully it has not worked. We support and have faith in Barack Obama. but the media does not want to accept that. One of these days, if they  have any decency at all, they will accept that the republicans are pompous, self serving hiprocrits.
As far as the auto bail out is concerned, Rep. Kucinich had it right last night on the floor - we need to have confidence in our country again.

And the auto industry cannot be fixed unless we help them. Our government is supposed to assist us, not put us in unemployment lines by the millions.

Figure this problem out GOP. That's what you were elected to do.

Rep. Kucinich. We can always depend on him to speak up - truthfully. I love this man.
I meant 15%....

(looks like my #s don't add up either :p)
If the country is "divorcing" Bush, shouldn't we get half of everything he owns in the settlement.  Not to mention alimony payments for all of the pain and suffering he caused.

40 Days Until Inauguration Day!
http://jawillie.blog.com (New Blog Entry up today)
Pat, Boston:

I LOVE the Les Mis metaphor.  I, of course, am carrying it to it's 'final solution'.  "It is either Valjean or Javert!"

"...That I may see him, safe behind bars..."  HMMM,...not quite how it played out; but now I will have that awesome song in my head ALL day.  Thanks!
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Richard, Washington,

Now that was funny, yesterday.  I laughed out loud, and you know I am for the other team.  I can appreciate a well constructed 'theory', though!
Divorce Bush?  Nah...keep him in the dog house, you got to keep an eye on that rascal.
And the auto industry cannot be fixed unless we help them. Our government is supposed to assist us, not put us in unemployment lines by the millions.

Figure this problem out GOP. That's what you were elected to do.

Pat, Boston, MA

Sorry Dems. You're going to have to figure out somethings for yourself for a while. No more cheating by looking at our papers anymore. Just one clue for you though, why don't you just throw some more money at the problem? That's always worked in the past.

> Rep. Kucinich. We can always depend on him to
> speak up - truthfully. I love this man.
> Pat, Boston, MA

Did you celebrate Gays Stay Home From Work Day yesterday?
INDICTMENTS WILL PUT A CHILL ON OBAMA'S HONEYMOON.

GET REAL!  Polls always lag behind the latest news.
With all the benefit of 20/20 hindsight......

Funny how Sarah Palin, you know, the energy expert, did not seem to have a clue when it came to forcasting the slump in oil demand.  Seems to me that she is going to have a hard time keeping her state afloat now that oil prices are down so low.

Drill Baby Drill?  For what?  More oil to flood a saturated market?
23% of the people believe in only 52% of the polls.
The Demo Degenerate ones are so entertaining. We must all give them credit for creativity in being corrupt and scandalous. Shameful for children to have to witness all of this deception.
How could anyone even think of tying Obama to the Blago scandal, when he's been very busy with his transition team and making Cabinet appointments?  And, I find it funny that the Lt. Gov. of Illinois hasn't spoken to the Gov. in a couple of years!  
And the Republican Party’s fav/unfav is 27%-52%
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This is what happens when you throw away the foundations of your party and decide that you want to restart the crusades and become the nation's Morality Police.

They need to get back to the roots and get out of our bedrooms.
What goes up often will come down. Yep, that''s exactly right; and what goes around comes around as Blago and other  right wing nuts are finding out; especially based upon those poll numbers.
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Maybe, Beverly in Chicago, they want to be responsible with our tax dollars and not bail out companies that failed due to their own practices. And why is PEBO's race even part of your comment?
Beverly in Charlotte (Sent Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:
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Beverly,
Maybe, Beverly in Chicago, they want to be responsible with our tax dollars and not bail out companies that failed due to their own practices. And why is PEBO's race even part of your comment?
Beverly in Charlotte (Sent Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:
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Beverly,
Please! Don't play the naive role with me.  You may happen to be thee part of America that doesn't see color; however, still there are segments, that do; and probably always will.


Let's start with with some historical facts with color  (that would be slaves imported from Africa), not being included in this nation's constitution, the civil war and the civil rights  movement. You have seen President Elect Obama attacks by all kinds of stupid reasons: Revs Wright and Pfliger, Ayers, live certificate of birth, which was thrown out. Yet, there are nuts,who still believe  President Elect Obama is an alien; therefore can't be  President .
Beverly, I'm sure you are aware of these sublities.
Why is it so hard for people in the media to believe that President Elect Barack Obama is exactly who he says he is?

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Are you kidding me?  The media is like an eighth grade girl over this guy.  They've become a total joke.  
By comments that have been posted recently, many more were present for these alleged discussions than originally thought between Blago and Team Obama. UNC Tarheels are currently #1 in the NCAA Polls.
That Palin is the republican's favorite, shows the party is so out of touch.  She's dumb. Plain and simple. And so is anyone who supports her.
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Pat, you're wrong.  A generalization like that makes YOU look dumb.  A lot of people relate to her, and the fact that she can still hold her head up after the merciless media bashing she has taken is worthy of our respect.  None of us on this site are governors of states.  We couldn't do her job.  So think twice before you beat up on her.  
Poll Vault --

Great handle, but we already DO run our country by polls, and polls about polls, and polls about polls about polls.  Followed by endless analysis of the polls.  Followed by more polls.  

It goes a long way to explain why we're in the mess we're in.  Or, wait.  How can I say that without a poll to back me up?  Maybe we should take a poll to see what people think about the effect that polls have on polling.  I wonder what percentage of people agree with that.  
 
The Liberal Media will be giving Obama one big French kiss for a long, long time. Be sure to gargle now.
Pierre Currie, Cleveland (Sent Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:42 AM)

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And this differs from the conservative media doing the same for Bush for the past 8 years how???  Oh right, because you are conservative so you think things are only wrong when the OTHER side does it!!!
Hey where is the link to Frist Read on the Politics main page?  Please restore the link so that it isn't so diffuclt to get here.

Eric, Salinas, CA (Sent Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:46 AM)
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Um, dude, it's called "bookmark"...look it up.
I heard some Southern Republican Senator say the Auto industry would be better off in bankruptcy

They're out in the open, now
What the Senate Republicans are trying to do is to break the auto industry....
Public be damned
America be damned
Workers be damned

The stupid Republicans are trying to break Detroit

Let's hope they pay for it
Remember this Michigan, Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Minnesota

Republicans killed your jobs !!

Let's hope Obama sees this and rolls them over when he's in office
The Republicans will try to obstruct and delay Obama

Don't let them
Look what they've done with 6 years of total control of the White House, Senate, Congress and Supreme Court....
Not a pretty picture

FR's poll numbers hint that the public is starting to see this...
Just be reminded folks that Obama cannot resolve all this country's issues on his own. He stated many times during the campaign that he needed the voter's help. He is doing well surrrounding himself with some pretty smart folks and has handled himself well regarding the econimic crises before taking office and having the authority to do more. And when that  time comes he will make some moves. You can depend on it.

But for our future Obama needs to be aided by the voters. Things happen from the bottom up and voters need to keep demanding that Congress work together and stop the infighting. The change Obama spoke of has to come from the bottom (it certainly will not come from the top) and he is looking for your average citizen to get involved and to make their voices heard. I see Obama has started change meetings across the country where citizens can attend and pariticipate in a meeting near their home in order to have a voice on where we go from here. This is a good idea and we should all try and particpate.

Obama will open doors. He will be the vehicle. Butthe Amercian people have to supply the power. This means that the American people need to give Obama time to straigthen out the economic mess after he becomes President and to support his desire to work on more than one issue at a time as health care, foreign policy improvements, an improved public educational system, job creation by way of green jobs, environmental protections, middle class tax cuts, stem-cell research, getting the troops out of Iraq, etc, etc. Look for Obama to tell the Amercian people "we can" work on more than one issue at a time. There will be some prioritization but none of the major issues should be put on a shelf to collect dust. They all need to be attended too and planned for implementation as soon as possible.

Keep the faith, get involved or make sure you contact your representatives to state what changes you want to see occur. Stay on your representatives. Obama cannot do it alone, he knows it and we need to realize it.      
bush wanted to write his memoirs, 2 problems, he can't read let alone write and most of all, publishers told him thanks but no thanks as no on would buy them.
A few thoughts.

FR:64% say they would be wiling to take a 5% pay cut if it meant saving jobs at their place of work.

I've already discussed several possibilities with my employer about helping the company any way I can.  I am fortunate enough to work for a financially strong company, despite working in the hospitality industry.  I am willing to sacrifice for my company and my country if it will help get us moving in the right direction again.  How many others posting here (especially Republicans or conservatives) can say that?
Jerry from Corpus, I never thought I'd lower myself to say this, but you are a nut case.  You've never posted anything positive that I've seen and all you can do is to criticize.  It's apparent you are racist after reading the many negative and bias comments towards Obama.
Are you unhappy because your pal Bush has such low approval ratings?  If so, then blame the man (Bush) for he was the one who made his bed this way.  Bush had an opportunity to bring this country together twice, once after the 2000 election and again after 9/11 and he failed both times.

Pat from Boston, you make an excellent point.  But I have to ask you, have you watched Hannity and Colmes on Fox?  And if so, would you agree with me when I say that I believe Fox found the WIMPIEST liberal (in Colmes) to be on that show?  If Colmes were of a similar temperment of Hannity, that show might be worth something.  But Hannity continually "hogs" the show, which makes it nothing more than a "right-winged propaganda" machine for Fox and conservatives.
Republicans will never read Les Miserables.  They're too busy re-reading Atlas Shrugged and the Bible to make themselves feel better about the decisions they make.

nashville_fan: It is possible to be surrounded by bad people and not be a bad person yourself.

I totally agree.  However, I've come to find out that anytime conservatives run into anyone bad, they run in the opposite direction, never wanting to even face them.  Conservatives would rather the country stumble through our current problems than work with those they disagree with to come up with sensible solutions to those problems.  They also whine and complain anytime they don't get their way.  All anyone needs to do is to read their posts to realize that.  
Obama is a joke -- a con artist and a fraud.  Plain and simple and you liberals bought into the scam. So, I will expect YOU to pay for his outlandish plans.  No one wants a socialist and yet, YOU all vote for one!! Let's hope he does himself in as soon as possible..
Happy to see that Jerry/Corpus Christi is rebounding from his very much appreciated "hybernation". He is throwing tantrums again, but notice he never threw a single negative phrase at the "worst president in our history" in all of W's eight horrific years. Jerry you need to crawl back into that cave with all those other conservative babies that are in denial.
So why is Durbin backing a special election while Reid wants an appointment?

Because Durbin is listening to his constituents and as an Illinois politician, he would rather see the seat go to a republican than have anyone be able to say the appointment wasn't above board.

Reid is more concerned with the national scene, because he doesn't face Illinois voters. But Durbin has to be more practical and avoid any appearance that Obama's successor isn't 100% legitimate.

Blago did damage to his state, his party, and his country with his arrogant and corrupt approach to this issue. Knowing Illinois politics, and knowing how the Republicans will try to spin any appointment, I think a special election is best. Let the people decide, not the politicians.
Oh yes Dan in St. Louis....
Attack Obama and you are a racist....

Typical Liberal response...
2 more years of Bush would be a blessing..get rid of Fraudster Obama as soon as possible!  Impeach that lying b&^%tard!!
I think Blago's quotes on the tape make it clear that Obama was not involved in corruption.  Blago actually curses Obama on the tapes for not being one who would give him more than "f-ing appreciation."  However, for Obama to claim that he had no contact with the man who is legally charged with appointing his successor is somewhat ludicrous.  Of course he had contact with Blago, or some of his staff did at any rate.  It stretches credibility to its breaking point for anyone to believe that Obama or his staff never talked to Gov. Blago about the Senate seat.  Somebody talked to Blago at some point about this seat; just admit that you did, point out that even Blago's recordings state that you and your administration weren't willing to play ball with the sleazeball, and move on from there.  Why all this "no contact" BS?


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