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First thoughts: Bailout crashes and burns

Posted: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:31 AM by Mark Murray
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Carrie Dann
*** Bailout crashes and burns: The $14 billion auto bailout collapsed in the Senate last night after supporters were unable to get the 60 votes needed to clear a filibuster; the cloture vote was 52-35. In some ways, the failure said less about party politics and more about geography. Ten Republicans voted to invoke cloture and move the legislation forward (Bond, Brownback, Collins, Dole, Domenici, Lugar, Snowe, Specter, Voinovich, Warner). Four Democrats voted against it (Baucus, Lincoln, Tester, and Reid, who opposed it so he could procedurally bring up the bill again). But get this -- more than the a third of the votes against (14 out of 35) came from Democrats and Republicans hailing from southern states (Bunning, Burr, Chambliss, Cochran, Corker, DeMint, Hutchinson, Isakson, Lincoln, McConnell, Sessions, Shelby, Vitter, Wicker). Much of this southern opposition can be explained by labor politics. The South is mostly anti-union, and southern GOPers last night blamed the United Auto Workers for the collapse. Also, don’t forget that foreign automakers have plants in the South: BMW is in South Carolina; Mercedes is in Alabama; and Toyota, among other places, is in Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, and Texas.

Video: The Senate votes down a proposed $14 billion bailout for U.S. automakers.  NBC's Tom Costello reports.

*** More North vs. South: In the end, the auto bailout was one of those debates in Congress that eventually makes everyone look bad, because it appears everyone is voting on self-interest -- from the industrial-state senators who supported the measure; to those in the South who didn’t; Dems who are pro-labor; and Republicans who would like to bust up the unions. Indeed, it’s worth reminding everyone that tensions between northern and southern US senators have existed throughout this country’s history (regarding slavery, secession, and civil rights). And given that Democrats will either hold a 57-42 or 58-42 or 59-41 majority in the next Senate -- depending on what happens in Minnesota and Illinois -- and given that much of the GOP caucus will hail from the South, we can only expect these tensions to increase during the first two years of the Obama administration. By the way, it’s amazing how McConnell was able to run circles around Reid. Sure, the numbers are closer now than they will be in a month. And, sure, it’s always easier to be minority leader than majority leader. But McConnell is proving to be a pretty smart minority leader, while Reid continues to get frustrated again. And the lesson the Senate GOP caucus is going to learn from this fight is that by sticking together, they can hold up Obama's agenda.

*** How the bailout failed: For most of the day, NBC’s Ken Strickland says, it looked like freshman GOP Sen. Bob Corker was going to save the automakers from immediate bankruptcy. But after hours of negotiations, the talks collapsed on one issue: the automakers union agreeing to new contracts to put labor cost on par with foreign automakers like Honda, Nissan, and Toyota. Strick notes that the UAW agreed to the parity, but refused to accept the timing for when the new rules would take place. The negotiators were pushing for the spring of 2009, when the economy is expected to still be floundering. Republicans and Democrats agreed that issue was the fatal flaw. "They have not been willing to give a date specific by which parity can be achieved," GOP Leader Mitch McConnell said, "and it is upon that issue that we've reached an impasse." Democratic Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd agreed, saying: "There was no debate from the United Auto Workers or anyone else that we ought to achieve parity in the wages and benefits.  The question was the timing of it."

*** Where we go from here: NBC’s Strickland adds that the White House and the Federal Reserve still have to authority to rescue the industry with some short term fixes. Option No.1: Treasury Secretary Paulson can use money from the $700 billion October rescue package, the so-called TARP money, to aid the automakers. Bush has been adamantly opposed to using that money for that purpose, saying it was designed for financial entities. Option No. 2: The Fed could give the automakers short-term loans. But does Bush allow an auto company to go under on his watch? That's not a legacy mark he wants on his resume. The "Hoover" ghost bothers many a Republican still occupying 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Imagine this irony: The legacy of Herbert Hoover saves the US auto makers. Indeed, here’s the breaking news at publication time -- the White House says it would be willing to use TARP money…

Video: CNBC's Phil LeBeau looks at the road ahead for the Big Three automakers.

*** The Blago scandal: It’s now Day Four in the Blagojevich scandal, and two people the press is longing to hear from soon: Blagojevich and Rahm Emanuel. We heard from Obama yesterday and, as predicted, his response was MUCH stronger than his initial one on Tuesday. Of course, we've seen this movie before: Obama is hit with or surrounded by controversy; his initial response is tepid, mild, lame; and then the next day (or two or three later), he gets it exactly right. So far, Obama has benefited by getting mulligans after an initial response. But what happens when the do-overs stop? At some point, doesn’t Obama have to start getting things right the first time? As for Blago, how long can he go without saying, well, anything? It seems everyone is claiming they don't talk to Blago; it's apparently the new badge of honor. Jesse Jackson Jr. claimed it had been four years; Obama wouldn’t invite Blago to the Dem convo, Lt. Gov. Quinn says it's been 18 months since he's spoken to him; Blago's one-time political sugar-daddy, father-in-law Dick Mell, they don't speak, either. His lawyers won't take his calls because of unpaid bills. Will any of us in the media get a shot at him?

Video: NBC's David Gregory talks with TODAY's Meredith Vieira about the Blagojevich scandal.

*** Shiny metal object overload: By the way, the Andrew Cuomo-Caroline Kennedy drama -- Cuomo yesterday refused to say whether Caroline is fit to succeed Hillary -- would normally be the media's shiny metal object distraction of the day. But wow, so many other stories out there today… Speaking of Caroline, let's not forget this response from Obama, himself in his interview with NBC's Tom Brokaw on Meet the Press last Sunday. “[T]he last thing I want to do is get involved in New York politics. I've got enough trouble in terms of Illinois politics.” What did Obama mean?

*** That never-ending recount: In the latest movement in Minnesota's Coleman-Franken recount, the state canvassing board meets at 10:30 am ET in St. Paul to consider the fate of hundreds of mistakenly rejected absentee ballots, as well as the 133 missing ballots from a Minneapolis precinct. Given that the difference separating Coleman and Franken is so small (192 votes per the Star Tribune, or four votes according to the Franken folks), this decision could play a key role in deciding the eventual outcome of the race.

*** Meeting the press: And on Sunday, in his initial show since taking over the reins of NBC’s Meet the Press, David Gregory will have the latest in the Blagojevich scandal, plus a discussion on the economy with Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, Mitt Romney, Carly Fiorina, Wal-Mart President, CEO Lee Scott, and Google CEO Eric Schmidt. After that, there’ll be a roundtable with NBC’s Chuck Todd and the Chicago Sun-Times’ Mary Mitchell.  
 
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Sen. Corker wanted to make auto wages no higher than non-union wages !!!
Why be in a union if that union can't raise your wages?

MSierra SF....  That's the trouble.  Unions are not about simply raising wages.  Unions are about safety in the workplace and resonable working conditions as well as fair pay.

Over time it seems that Unions have moved to the pay issue alone and in doing so they have dug their own grave.  Why should a hard working Ohio resident working at the Honda plant be in favor of providing taxpayer funds to provide higher wages to a guy working for the Chrysler, GM or Ford?

Honda, Toyota and other auto manufacturers produce a quality product and provide a safe workplace and reasonable wages in a non union setting.  Why can't American auto manufacturers?
Eve Suffering (Sent Friday, December 12, 2008 10:26 AM)

Eve:

I live in the South. No one can rent a decent (is not falling apart) home for $600 / month. The average two bedroom apartment in a complex that is not rat infested or run over by the drug crowd will cost you $800+ a month. The old arguement that the cost of living in the South, except for property taxes, is a myth. The average auto worker in the South works for $14/hour. That's 29,120 a year (gross). That's $1,747 / month after taxes. Now try maintaining an average home of 4 on that income with rent alone costing you at least $700+ per month. Oh, and that is for a 2 bedroom home/apratment.   tnainign a home  
Pat said:
<<GOP now stands for the Grand Obstructionist Party.

What kind of democracy do we have when legislation can't pass even if its supported by a majority in both the House and Senate?  The Senate really needs to reconsider its cloture rules so as to do away with the filibuster.  The reality now, is that the republicans will block everything that Obama wants to get done, and the result - gridlock or watered down legislation that is so compromised it amounts to nothing. >>

So I assume that whent he Dems were using the fillibuster an unprecedented number of times from 2000 - 2006 you were against it then too?
Hope all that money you gave to the Presidential and congressional races worked...(snickering)

I have no sympathy for anyone who goes on TV and whines like a three year old.  Isn't there any men in that union????
When will the Democrats learn their lesson and Replace Harry Reid with someone who can keep other Democrats in line. Say what you want about Mitch McConnell he does know how to keep his Senators in line.
The GOP is playing games with the livelihood of millions.  It is sickening to me to see people who call themselves Americans want to wilily be apart
Of millions of Americans lose their jobs and suffer in order to prove a point.  Maybe the senate gop is getting paid of, especially the Tennessee GOP.  Maybe the gop feel their
Idea will actually work and disregard the fact that it is THEIR IDEAS that may cause the financial destroy of our country.  Whatever the cause my be, we as Americans need to make a
Statement to the GOP and VOTE EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM OUT OF OFFICE!

A concerned American! 08 and beyond!
I hope we can make it as a country to Jan 20.  
Amy B Portland MA - don't get discouraged Amy - keep on blogging.  I enjoy your take on this, as I do Beverly, Diane, Pat, Democratic soldier, and even Eric in Ca!    
The cost of labor is about 10 percent of the total cost of a car, but even so - when did aspiring to a middle class lifestyle become something to be criticized?  The workers showed up and did their jobs; it was management that drove the car companies into the ground.
I still like the suggestion that instead of a car czar we have an "autocrat."
The hypocrisy of the Republicans is unbelievable. The news media's take on what is real news flies in the face of good journalism. Move on from the Ill. Gov. So what if Emanuel spoke to the Gov. about the seat. That is NOT illegal. Taking a bribe is, and there is no indication that happened. The voters spoke in Nov. and wanted change. Obama can't do it alone. So if the Republicans want to bring him down, and the media wants to bring him down, then the grassroots, WE the People, need to use whatever means necessary to not let that happen. I am so sick of the press. I used to watch MSNBC all the time. Since the election, this dredging up of potential scandals is infuriating. It has gotten so bad that even Nancy Grace is looking better. And I agree with many who do not believe David Gregory is the ideal moderator of Meet the Press. Guess I can't watch that now. Here's hoping that most Americans see beyond headlines and suspicion and actually educate themselves to what is going on. And people in the Southern states? Use your next Senate votes wisely.
Grand, GOP.  You've learned nothing but how NOT to get things done - again!!  

Thanks for moving the country... nowhere.
Peaches Tolf  Have you noticed Barack's Mini-Me (aka Rahm Emanual) isn't around him the lsst few days? Apparently Rahm had quite a bit to do with who was going to be the next Senator appointed to Barack's seat. The slimy ooze is closing in on Mr. Obama.

Emanuel was probably the person who talked to Blagojevich and told him the only thing he’d get from Obama was “appreciation,” causing Blago to go into an expletive deleted tirade wherein he said of Obama: “[Cheney] him.” How, exactly does that incriminate anyone other than Blagojevich? To the contrary, Blago’s words demonstrate that neither Emanuel nor Obama had anything to do with Blago’s schemes. The logic of rabid right wingers  is notable only for its absence.

And, by the way, if Emanuel didn’t report the conversation to Fitzpatrick, there’s nothing wrong with that because no crime was committed. If politicians turned each other in for doing political deals like that, Bush and the entire Congress would be under investigation by the FBI.
First Read asks about Blago.

"Will any of us in the media get a shot at him?"

didn't you hear -- you have to pay to play.  I am sure that if you paid him for an interview you would get one.

I look forward to somedaying seeing Blago and Delay sharing a prison cell where they can pay to play with each other.
Does anyone still doubt that the Rethuglicants don't have a Contract on America?? They have no intentions, no matter how small their numbers get in the House and Senate, to work in a bi-partisan manner with Democrats or Pres.-elect Obama over the next 4 years. They have one goal in mind, and that is to make every working man and woman's paycheck fall in line with workers in China. Those Retuglicants that killed the Federal Auto Loan are a bunch of cutthroat, backstabbing, heartless Benedict Arnold's. They won't be happy until every American worker is living in Tent Cities, homeless shelters, or in their Southern made Japanese cars, or under a bridge and working 20 hours a day, for $24 a MONTH without health care. The New and Improved "Southern Strategy". Country First? Which country would that be? Japan, Korea, Germany, Russia? It certainly isn't the United States of America!
C A from Tuscaloosa,  you said it better than I could.  Thank you.  If you work, you should make a livable wage, period.
I'm more afraid of Wall Street than I am Al-Quaeda. Wall Street is affecting our lives, our children lives, our jobs, our homes, being able to put food on the table. America needs to get its priorities straight.
It's about time you guys at MSNBC stop regurgitating the lies about union labor wages the redneck southern senators are spreading. They do NOT make 75 dollars  an hour. Their hourly wage and benefit package is about equal to the non-union auto worker, about 45 dollars an hour. The cost to the big three (especially GM) for retiree pension and health care is what brings the amount to 75 dollars. In other words, it costs the auto makers an additional 25 dollars per employee to support the pension benefits. Current workers don't get that money as the anti-union senators imply. Foreign car makers in the US don't have this burden because they either don't have a pension plan or they haven't been around long enough to have retirees.
What, exactly, is wrong with finally having a President-elect who makes sure he has the facts and considers issues before spewing sound bites?? I know this poses an inconvenience and a provides a hysterical talking point for the media and pundits - but really - a mulligan - come ON - hey - if he's done nothing wrong and there is no controversy - go ahead and create one. Ridiculous.
This is really good. NOT
Pay the Obese 3, 15 Billion USD to tide them over until March 2009.  While they develop a Restructing Plan.  Which is a Management Function, that should have been started when they were in trouble.
Then after March 2009 they ask for 150 Billion USD to implement their Restructuring Plans under the supervision of a Car Czar.  Total Cost 15 Billion USD + 150 Billion USD = 165 Billion USD + the previous September 2008, 25 Billion USD.
This is really great. NOT.

15 Billion USD to tide the Obese 3 over until they can come up with a Restructuring Plan, March 2009.  So we pay for a Restructuring Plan that the Management should have been developing when they were getting in trouble.

March 2009, they get 150 Billion USD to implement their Restructuring Plans. GM Congressional Testimony.

15 Billion USD + 150 Billion USD = 165 Billion USD.
Just for Eric, Salinas, CA
These stinking southern clowns and poorly educated bible-clinging fools have got your beloved UAW by the balls. You can thank the greedy UAW when the Big 3 are history and Toyota is building more plants in the South.
52 to 35.  Who are the 13 Senators that ducked what may be one of the most important votes of the decade?  Did I say 'ducked'?  Freudian slip.  These cowards lame-ducked what may have been one of the most important votes of the decade.  Were they elected NOT to participate?
it has only been a few short weeks ago the american people overwhelmingly voted for change; change from the partisan, regional politics of usual. we americans voted to begin resolution ofthe many complex and inter-connected and increasingly severe challenges facing our country and our future. the gop would do well to heed this lesson lest they never win another national election again. perhaps they either didn't get the memo of the american voters disgust over partisan inaction or they didn't believe it.
Gregory is doing exactly as I thought he would. Stacking Republicans against weak or uninformed Democratics or Liberals to insure the Republican side of an issue comes out on top. He's pretty good at it but sneaky is sneaky and more people will figure it out as time goes by. MTP has started a downhill slide that won't stop until he's replaced.


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