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Swearing in? Or cursing out?

Posted: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:12 PM by Carrie Dann
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From NBC's Carrie Dann and Mike Viqueira
For the first hour of the 111th Congress, the nation’s lawmakers were all smiles on the House floor.  Freshmen thrust their hands across the aisle -- literally -- as they introduced themselves to their new colleagues. Representatives of both parties grinned together as they watched their children, who were invited to romp on the floor for the occasion.
 
But by the time the clock struck three times, things were back to normal.
 
"Shame on you!" Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) exclaimed. "Because you're shutting down the process and [it's] going to result in more partisanship, not less."

"They chose talking points over accomplishments," countered James McGovern (D-MA) about his Republican colleagues. "They chose to be the party of obstructionism." 
 
The debate at issue between the two parties was a complicated procedural measure that House Republicans, largely emasculated by their minority status, have effectively used to stymie their opponents over the past two years. By passing a new package of House rules by a 242-181 vote today, Democrats eliminated in some cases the minority party's ability to file a so-called "motion to recommit." In the past, such motions served as one of the only opportunities the minority party had to influence the substance of any tax-related legislation. 
 
Since losing the majority in 2006, Republicans employed the tactic 50 times, usually to raise objections about tax increases included in bills.  But in some cases, perhaps most memorably during a debate over DC voting rights in 2007, Republicans have used a motion to recommit to tack a popular amendment to a bill, rendering it political poison for many Democrats to vote against the measure.  The new rules strip the minority party of its ability to offer such a measure "promptly," meaning in a way that would kick the bill back into committee and possibly kill it altogether.
 
The GOP cried foul, saying that Speaker Nancy Pelosi's rules essentially silence the last gasps of dissent that an opposition party can voice in the majority-rule chamber of Congress. One of Republicans' key objections is that, for complicated reasons related to budget rules, they will now be unable to offer such motions in cases where a tax increase has been buried in larger legislation.
 
Democrats counter that the minority will still be able to offer amendments to be immediately voted upon -- considered "forthwith," as the formal parlance goes -- rather than weighed in the lengthy committee process.  They cite Republicans' frequent use of the procedure, which Democrats only used 36 times during their 12 years of minority status, in accusing the GOP of wielding MTRs as an "obstructionist" tool.  "They're not interested in substance," said Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) after a lengthy House floor explanation of the procedure today. "They're interested in game playing."
 
If trackers of such House scuffles catch a hint of deja vu in today's proceedings, it's because Democrats mounted similar objections to rules that hush minority input -- back when they were in the minority. In 2004, then-Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi proposed a "Bill of Rights" for the minority party, lamenting the "incivility and the heavy hand of the majority" and accusing Republican Speaker Dennis Hastert of shutting out Democratically-offered alternatives.
 
Republicans are using that history, as well as Pelosi's past promises of transparency and bipartisanship, to call the new rules not only hypocritical, but counter to the message touted by Democrats' boss himself.  "Today's new beginning is nothing more than a new low for the Democratic majority," lamented Rep. David Dreier (R-CA). "Their cynicism and manipulation is all the more dismal against the backdrop of President-elect Obama's vision or hope, unity, and change for the better."

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>>>jawillie, Philadelphia, PA. (Sent Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:28 PM)
I've  always admired and respected you comments. So I'm asking what  legitimate sources are you reading about Rolanad Burris?
Beverly in Chicago (Sent Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:14 PM)
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(Immitating Keith Olbermann) HOW DARE YOU!  ASKING ME A GOTCHA QUESTION!  WHO DO YOU THINK I AM, SARAH PALIN?! (LOL)

Just kidding.  I could go all Palin on you and just say "all of them", but I do actually read stuff before I formulate an opinion.  It may not always be the correct one, but at least it's an informed one.  Here are a couple that I've checked out since this appointment.

Chicago Sun Times: Burris has long history of brazeness - http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/blagojevich/1355139,roland-burris-senate-seat-obama-blagojevich-123008.article

TIME: Roland Burris - http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1869108,00.html?xid=rss-politics-cnn

Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Burris

I'll concede the Wikipedia source may be suspect (as Wikipedia often is), but it does jibe with everything else I've read.

14 Days Until Inauguration Day!
http://jawillie.blog.com
Is anybody else terrified about how Congress is behaving?? The circus bus has gone over the cliff and the clowns are fighting over who drives. Is this the best we can elect?....A bunch of Prima-Donnas and Prima-Donnies who can't see past their egos and start working together. UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL are not just words, they are the essense of what makes America the greatest country in the world. We, the hardworking American people, deserve better than this.
The GOP should stop whining and get back to their basics and principles and hope to win the majority back.
Abuse a privilige and it is taken away. Now when the GOP seriously has a good challange they won't be able to do it because they wasted the tactic on silliness.
Where is outrage over responsibility for the recession now that facts are clear in the rearview mirror?

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2009/01/democrat-responsibility-for-economic.html

It was evident then, it is even more evident now. Yet no feet are being held to the fire.  Can we assume Madoff arrived just in time to take the brunt of it, deflecting all attention from where it should be focussed?

Well, Rep. David Dreier(R-Ca) and other Republicans sorrow is absolutely insurmountable to the way Republicans choose to turn their backs on the people of the United States. No other government can top your lows.  You've had the chance to screw up the economy for your selfish gains, mindless wars, the Middle East and pampering Israel all done under the 2 Bushes, and laughable Ronald Reagan. At least PE has said the stimulus package would have no pork and will be on the internet; that is a start towards no occulsion. Republicans'  history, is not  of transparency and bipartisanship. So, Republican  history has not changed, and if anything will only become more divisive and counter-production as they stand with their backs against the wall based upon those statements.
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Correction from last 2 previous posts: So if it's not not an issue why make it out to be one. At  least Panaetta   would not invade American citizens' privacy as Fienstien advocates. One thing we don't need is another Yale cowboy!  I meant Panetta would not.
Jim Sensenbrenner is the biggest partisan of them all.  Out of all the representatives from our state (Wisconsin), he votes the party line the most, I dare say, 100% of the time.  He keeps his rich constituents happy, though.  
Winners gloat while losers glare: as always Congress reverts to form. Most of them are trained liars-for -hire so they never stop disputing no matter how irrelevant or hopeless their case might be. Such are the Lawmakers we elect to squabble and quibble. This is how we have managed to turn America into a third world country.
Unfortunately, there are always those few negative people, who refuse to see good in anyone.

Rosemary, New Mexico

I agree and George Bush knows that better than anyone.
The time has come to separate the wheat from the chaff. Lets just issue all of them sidearms and let them all have it out.
"when the government no longer serves the people", the people will be lethargic and do nothing about it.
I'm conciliatory, you're argumentative, Nancy Pelosi is a shrew. Everybody thinks their view is the only right one. It's the same old game, CYA and damn the constituency.  I would like to think that Obama can get some control over ol' Nancy and actually change things but it's probably not going to happen. It's not bipartisanship, it's omnipartisanship. The people who rise to leadership positions in government seem to develop moral distemper and become self appointed demagogues who have only their own enrichment and power in mind.
I am thankful that the democrats are so brazen in their actions and look forward to the 2010 elections so that real change can finally begin.

Bring back Newt, long live Ron Paul, and please oh please can someone shut up Franken? Talk about a national embarassment.
I hate to say it but, what goes around, comes around.  If you treat people (Congress members) with respect, you'll get respect back.  The Republicans have been using a heavy, and sometimes, devious hand to control Congress ever since they got into power.  Why should they be upset about the Democrats doing the same thing now that they're in power?

I do wish, though, that the Democrats would be the "bigger"party, and really bring back bipartisanship.  But memories are long and revenge is sweet.
It's really time for the Republicans to stop obstruction of the nation's business, how telling that they don't seem to grasp this. Yelling partisanship, when they had shut the Democrats out of all consideration during Bush's first 6 years. What hypocrites. They've managed a great deal of ruination from '94 to 2006, it's time they stepped out of the way.
GOP - you reap what you sow.

The republicans used this procedure more times in 2 years than the dems had in the previous 8.  If the republicans did not use every procedure and protection for the minority party to simply prevent things from getting done then this rule would not be changed.  For the Republicans to cry partisan ship and foul is a joke - they were the ones willing to eliminate the filibuster from the senate after all.

Now as far as I understand the new rules any congressman can still submit an admendment and it is voted on at that time by the entire body on whether the amendment will be added to the bill.  In the past the amendment as automatically added and the entire bill went back to committee with the amendment attached to determine whether the amended bill should then be voted on.  Now congressmen can stike down an amendment before it is attached to a bill, and thus still are able to vote for the original bill.
Honestly, the Republicans are right here.  This is nothing short of muzzling the minority party.  Dems cried foul when the Repubs tried to do this earlier this decade with amendments to the Senate rules.  To do this now is just hypocritical BS, but I can't really say I'm surprised.  It's all okay as long as your side is winning, right?  I'm just disgusted with the lot of them now, even more so than I am by default, them being politicians and all.
Be careful of what you ask for, because you may get it.
Note to Republicans YOU LOST, got spanked, your tushies were kicked get used to it. It's what you all did while YOU were in the Majority, so spare me the whining.
Republicans blocked legislation 50 times in the last two years. You can count on the same whenever possible
over the next 4 years. The republicans are so adept at it that here in S.C. our Govenor will even do the same to his own party. Mark Sanford, ( to get his face and name in the paper) will obstruct the unemployment ins. needed by the poorest and most unfortunate in the state.  Yes, OBSTRUCTION, the name of the game.


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