That's horrible - thanks Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld - and the decider George Bush.

Bad economic situation and seeing the Obama response and leadership so far is making many give up hope.

Has Obama looked into the future and asked the question, "What happens if the spending bill does not cure the economy?"

I doubt it, but he's only our President so why should we expect that out of him, right?

The question still remains on the lips of many Americans is why not healthcare funding to improve the economy? The truth is, we really don’t have to look that far to see the benefits, both financial and moral



I’m listening to karate chopping Pat Buchanan doing his usual advocacy for the Republicans. The Republicans along with what Pat said today and his friends’, including constant mockery and skewed perceptions, is an excellent example of the job they make of this Stimulus Bill sound like nothing more than pork. Pat Buchanan has said it’s working because of the latest Gallup Poll which shows only 38% of Americans support Obama plan as it stands now; therefore, according to PAT BUCHANNAN President Obama is losing and the republicans are winning. The truth is Pat Buchanan’s facts are skewed and misleading as President Obama  said today in the Washington post “Misguided Criticisms Of This Plan That Echo The Failed Theories That Helped Lead Us Into This Crisis”. Buchanan, Limbaugh, Hannity, Joe Scarbough, and ya’ll know the rest are doing a great disservice to their party and Americans.
The poll  also said President Obama's economic stimulus plan is generally supported by Americans but many argue over its details 37% said they want major changes in the plan and 17% reject the plan altogether.
Winning in estimation is despite all the obnoxious, objections that Pat has alluded to is that the Americans want to get on with.  Shockingly, Pat has already conceded or predicted The Stimulus Bill will pass. So what’s the point?  

What is happening in the military is a microcosm for what the NEOCONS hope to have happen within our country's population. They want things to get so bad for the majority of us that we will either off ourselves or rise up in "traitorous mutiny". They know that any kind of riot will be put down easily using "exotic weapons".

the amount is higher than 128. when will the media really investigate stuff like this. we keep america free, but no one checks on how we are treated.

Suicide has always been a problem for soldiers.  The stigma of asking for help or seeking counseling has been so great that most are left with few outlets.  Military personnel also drink more than any other group.  Add to it long tours, stress on marriage and PTSD and you have a receipe for more and more suicide.  

This was a problem long before Obama.

This is so sad . . .

No political commentary this time . . .

just prayers for our troops.

We hate the military.

Marcus D., Chicago (Sent Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:41 PM)
Bad economic situation and seeing the Obama response and leadership so far is making many give up hope.

Has Obama looked into the future and asked the question, "What happens if the spending bill does not cure the economy?"

I doubt it, but he's only our President so why should we expect that out of him, right?
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Marcus D., Chicago
The question still remains on the lips of many Americans is why not healthcare funding to improve the economy? The truth is, we really don’t have to look that far to see the benefits, both financial and moral do we?

How can can any human blame The Obama administration for human lives lost now?

143 soldiers, 143 families, all for George Bush's lies.

We love using the military to kill civilians, as long as we don't have to fight.

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It is clear that multiple tours with less time between them, coupled with the physical results of IED shocks and PTSD increasing equivalent to number of tours - we have drastically let our military troops down. We HAVE to do better.  Suicide is the result of not being able to face ONE MORE DAY - the hopelessness of it all - we need to get out in front of this and the rape of military women, instead of sweeping both problems under the rug and hoping they will go away. Obviously they won't...and the loss of these young lives is the result.

marcus e., you don't have a clue do you? we are losing 500,000 jobs a month and you are talking about doing nothing.

the president has gathered the brightest minds on the economy around him. the republicans are offering tax cuts and more tax cuts. do you recognize what that has done for the economy in the last 8 years? do you? is your life better now than when bill clinton left office? man think. don't just listen to the crap that caused this economic mess. the people that keep buying the crap the gop is laying down might as well say they want to be poor so the rich can keep getting rich.

i just don't understand how after watching for eight years the gop give away the decent middle class life we had, how anyone can sit back and shoot themself in the head by believing the bullsh_t the gop is offering.

the far right wing gop is selling us more poverty at the expense of the wealthy.

How in the world could you expect any thing else with 2 & 3 tours, they are exhasted and the things they have seen have to be horrific.

I wonder of those suicides how many have served multiple tours?  Can you imagine going to war, somehow returning home alive and then having to go back - maybe several times?!?  I'm sure it makes it worse for them to wonder what they're coming home to.  Will they have a job if they get out of the service - and if they stay in, will they just be going back?

These soldiers are serving our country.  Regardless if you support the war, we have to support the soldiers.  Look at the poor medical care they have suffered when they're wounded.  

We have to figure out a way to address the problem before they reach the breaking point.  I don't know that you can go to war and kill people and not come back a changed person.  But at least let's figure out a way to get them back!

Will we never learn?!?

I'd be interested to see how this relates to multiple tours of duty. Is the suicide rate higher among the first timers or the fourth timers? Either way this is tremendously sad.

And McCain wouldn't have made it better.  Remember his plan to change the VA? Only provide medical care for direct combat wounds and injuries, and then you are on your own for everything else, including mental problems?  Amazing!  

Bad economic situation and seeing the Obama response and leadership so far is making many give up hope.

Has Obama looked into the future and asked the question, "What happens if the spending bill does not cure the economy?"

I doubt it, but he's only our President so why should we expect that out of him, right?
Marcus D., Chicago (Sent Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:41 PM)

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well we now the repuke plan calling for only tax cuts to rich and businesses won't work because it didn't in the past!

We hate the military.
All the Liberals (Sent Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:48 PM)

no, we love the military and our country, we hate senseless wars and LYING politicians.  We can forgive mistakes; not lies. I reiterate that everyone who posts here should rent or check out the movie "Control Room" - the Al Jazeera documentary on the run up and propaganda of the Iraq war.  it will break your heart when you see these articles.  Assuming, of course, you have a heart.  Rumsfield, Cheney, Bush2 excluded.

in the military there are ultra-liberals, liberals, moderates, conservatives, ultra-conservatives and neocons. when it comes time to put it on the line politics don't mean crap. the military implements policy. the military doesn't make it.

we might vote a certain way, but we don't turn our backs on our brothers and sisters because we don't agree. we stick together.

whoever posted the we hate the military by all the liberals isn't a patriot because in the military we are loyal to each other when we are in our uniform representing our country.

to post that sh_t tells me that you have never served.

Bring our troops home Mr. President. They no longer have to defend Bush's oil, or the oil that he wanted to steal. Our thoughts and prayers are with them and their families....

Bad economic situation and seeing the Obama response and leadership so far is making many give up hope.
                   Marcus D., Chicago
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Yeah, in 14 days Obama sent them into a war we shouldn't be in, extended their tours, gave them crappy equipment to fight with, caused the economic meltdown and created PTSD.
That's why they're just giving up. Yep. It's Obama's fault.    

There is friendly fire and suicides in all wars.

It's something that has to be lived with. It's part of the process.

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- Pray for peace
- Pray for our soldiers
- Pray for their families and loved ones
- Pray for those who make decisions about war
- Pray for the war-mongers who create hostility
- Pray for sanity and strong mental health
- Pray for healing
- Pray for our nation
- Pray for people everywhere

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For those of you who do not believe in prayer, I'm praying for you.  Don't hinder me.

Prayer changes things and people.

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I'm just curious because it isn't in here, but were the suicides in Iraq and Afghanistan?  And, did the suicides involve combat personnel?

Not suggesting anything, just want more facts BEFORE I bloviate.

'The War is Lost.'

Will this revelation be treated like evything else in this country - sweep it under the carpet and forget it? Shouldn't we be concerned that we are now losing young lives through suicide now that the war is winding down? Is it that we have no concern for human life and suffering that we care not to want to know? If the repubs really care this is the type of problem that should be given serious attention. Or are we going to blame the victims for causing their own demise?

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