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McCain's dire outlook on Afghanistan

Posted: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:08 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC's Lauren Appelbaum and Ashley Codianni

WASHINGTON -- Sen. John McCain delivered a chilling address at the American Enterprise Institute, reminding his audience the depth of resources required in Afghanistan. He talked of the stark realities of Afghanistan's situation, identifying significant increases in civilian fatalities, insurgent attacks, and influence of the Taliban throughout the country.
McCain approved of Obama's 17,000-troop increase to Afghanistan. But he stressed that increase alone would not lead to success.
 
"I have to give straight talk and that is I think things are going to get worse in Afghanistan before they get better," McCain said this afternoon. "And so I think that it's very important that the President and members of Congress and other people in leadership and respected positions inform the American people that it's going to be a long and hard and tough." 
 
McCain outlined seven areas in addition to higher troop levels that are needed in order to win the war in Afghanistan: reapply the principles of counterinsurgency, help the Afghans fight the Taliban, change alliance diplomacy, increase and reform non-military assistance, get control of the narcotics problem, work regionally, and communicate the stakes and the challenges to the American people.
 
The Arizona senator said the war in Afghanistan is likely to be even longer than the war in Iraq. "Unlike Iraq, where the surge of troops conducting counterinsurgency operations, combined with a quickly spreading Anbar Awakening, transformed the country in less than a year, Afghanistan is likely to be harder and longer. ... The scale of resources required to prevail will be enormous, and the timetable will be measured in years, not months."
 
McCain insisted this war is necessary but said he is confident of victory. "I know Americans are weary of war. I'm weary of it. But we must win the war in Afghanistan. The alternative is to risk that country's return to its previous function as a terrorist sanctuary, from which al Qaeda could train and plan attacks against America."
 
He also stressed the Afghan army is too small to solve its problems on their own and called for the world to join America in helping Afghanistan.
 
"For years the Afghans have been telling us they need a bigger army, and they are right," McCain said. "After all, their country is more populous and significantly larger than Iraq ... The costs of this increase, however, should not be borne by American taxpayers alone. Insecurity in Afghanistan is the world's problem, and the world should share the costs."
 
During Q&A, McCain later outlined options for allies to help with reconstruction teams, economic aid, and training of Afghan police.
 
"We need our allies," he said. "We are grateful for them."
 
He even called on non-NATO allies such as the Japanese to help. "We all know this strategy is not just military victory. It has many other components."
 
McCain also stressed the importance of working with Pakistan as a regional ally.
 
"For too long we have viewed Pakistan as important because of our goals in Afghanistan," McCain said. "Yet Pakistan is not simply important because of Afghanistan; Pakistan is important because of Pakistan. We cannot simply subordinate our Pakistan strategy to our Afghanistan policy."
 
When asked if America should have troops in Pakistan, McCain replied, "you'd have to have the scenario where the Pakistani government would want us there."
 
"Pakistan has enormous economic difficulties as we speak, and their army still is not trained and equipped to fight the kind of insurgency that they are facing on the Afghan border. I cannot imagine a scenario where the Pakistani government and people would want the United States troops on Pakistani soil."
 
McCain fielded a variety of questions, including one that left the audience surprised. When asked if the Russians are actively looking to undermine the United States in Afghanistan, McCain paused before answering.
 
"I think that the Russians are playing a role that's not helpful," he replied after audience laughter. "But at the same time it would hard for me to be convinced that they want us to fail there. They've had an experience there as we all know. And I'm not sure that they don't view the rise of or the country that's taken over by extremist organizations wouldn't in the long run pose a danger to their security. ... I think that their short term goals are probably to cause us difficulties, but I still, maybe being an eternal optimist, try to attempt to find areas of common ground."
 
The one thing McCain made clear during his speech and Q&A is his grave concern about Afghanistan and the war in the region. "This war will take time and commitment, and it will not be easy," McCain said at the end of his speech. "But as it has so often before, history - and the world - will look to America for courage and resolve."

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And someone needs to remind McCain that Afghanistan might not have been as big a problem as it has become had Bush kept his focus on it, instead of the nonsense in Iraq.  But, hey, let's send over that idiot who said the GOP could learn from the Taliban.  I think giving him a fact finding tour of the war zone would be most insightful for him right about now.
...and rather than wait for the elected leadership to tell you how bad it's going to be, I've appointed a commission, of myself, to tell you.  I am the only one who has ever served this country and I am the only one who knows anything about straight talk.

Hey McCain, you are a fool.  You lost.  I will take my briefings on the dangers in the world from my President or his staff.  Not you.  Now sit down and stfu.
John, John, John, . . . . now you're sounding like the Democrats during Iraq!

"We have lost the [Iraq] war." - Sen Harry Reid (D-NV)
Democrats are saying they want to hear what the Republicans have to say. Lets see how long it takes before the Democrats and their supporters demagogue what McCain had to say about Afghanistan. Bunch of hypocrites.
That was better Barack, but we salute with the right hand in this country.
I guess he didnt hear we all know his Straight Talk is Crooked
I guess he didnt hear we all know his Straight Talk is Crooked
Obama is depending on the Afghanies bowing to his every whim. Kind of like what Pelosi and Reid are doing.
I'll give McCain a DIRE OUTLOOK - of HIS Party!!

From the moment I realized that the Supreme Court was going to decide the election for Bush in 2000 and that Florida's elections were fraudulent, to the moment I realized Bush was warned about 9/11 before it happened but ignored it, to the moment I realized Bush also ignored the approach of Hurricane Katrina, despite warnings, to the fact that Osama bin Laden is still free and Bush honestly never cared about capturing him, my main emotion regarding how our country was run under Bush is anger. I am mad as hell at how Republicans deliberately mismanaged this country, more interested in their own greed and self-interest than in actually governing.

As the nightmare of the Bush years ended, I felt it worth reviewing the magnitude of the disaster his administration had on America. This is not an all-inclusive list. There are just too many Republican failures for one person to cover.

9/11:

We can never forget that Bush was WARNED about 9/11. The Clinton Administration desperately tried to tell the Bush Administration that it was going to happen. America's intelligence agencies tried to tell Bush it was going to happen. He even had a memo on his desk SAYING "Osama bin Laden determined to attack America," and we even had the whole plan. But he ignored ALL of it. This is in contrast to Bill Clinton actually going after bin Laden before 9/11. This led the Republicans to whine about "wagging the dog" and accusing Clinton of being "obsessed with al-Qaeda." Well, I just wish Bush had been just as obsessed with al-Qaeda because maybe then he would have stopped them. As it is, America was attacked and yet Osama bin Laden is as free as ever and al-Qaeda stronger and larger than ever.

Next:

There were the deliberate, cynical Republican lies that got us into the Iraq Quagmire. Plus they bungled the invasion! Our troops were ill equipped, poorly treated by the Republican administration, and there was, and still isn't, any exit strategy.

Next, and perhaps worse than the bungling of Iraq, was the gross war profiteering that Republicans indulged in, including deliberate neglect of problems that have led to soldiers needlessly dying. And they lied to cover it up.

Then there was Hurricane Katrina, where Americans died because of Republican racism, callousness and incompetence. For many Americas, THIS was the turning point, the moment when the true incompetence of the Bush Administration was revealed in a very graphic way. But even worse was the fact that this, and many other incidents like the Minnesota bridge collapse, the failed levees in the Midwest, etc. really were a direct result of the Republican "Drown America in a Bathtub" policy which was enunciated by Grover Norquist. In fact, more often than not, the most incompetent Republicans were rewarded for their incompetence. Going along with this is my focus on the Katrina 11, the 11 Republicans who supported no-bid contracts for Halliburton but voted against aid to Katrina victims.

Then there was a level of corruption that this nation may never have seen before...at least not since the Harding Administration. Yes, there is occasional Democratic corruption; however, a simple breakdown of indictments, convictions and investigations shows clearly that Republican corruption is far, far, far greater, more damaging, and more widespread. And while many Democrats fight corruption within their own party, Republicans have consistently circled the wagons and stood by even their most corrupt members, leaving it to voters to oust them.

Worse perhaps than the run of the mill Republican corruption is a highly disturbing trend where far right wing Republican extremists who always go on and on about other people's morality turn out to be pedophiles themselves. There also is even some blatant Republican treason out there.

I can go on. But I am finding this depressing and infuriating enough. If others want to add their own personal contributions to the long list of Republican failures and misdeeds, please add them in the comments.
"I have to give straight talk and that is I think things are going to get worse in Afghanistan before they get better," McCain said this afternoon. "And so I think that it's very important that the President and members of Congress and other people in leadership and respected positions inform the American people that it's going to be a long and hard and tough."
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Now this is demonic activity if there ever was! lol, Mr. McCain if you know how to find the enemy, slay the enemy, then hell why don't you? To attempt to incite fear, doom and gloom is of no help to the families of our service men and woman.

Your old ass should be ashamed of yourself! Stright talk? You don't know what that means.

Too bad he didn't realize that it is Afghanistan that is most important in the so called war on terror some 6 years ago. McCain is a bit of a jingoist but he does have a point regarding Afghanistan and Pakistan. Huge armies are not the answer,however, but small bands of well armed men to get in geter done and get out. Train the Afghans and the Pakistanis too. The tribal loyalties and that sort of stuff makes fighting a war in Afghanistan different than fighting anywhere else. Ask the Russians they know first hand.
If we commit huge battlions we will see thousands of coffins return and our already weak treasury will become weaker. But if we surgically take out Al Qaeda, Bin Laden, The Taliban and their supporters we can save American lives, innocent Afghan and Pakinstani lives and countless amouts of money.  

Cash for bribes may need to be made available too. In their world cash trumps just about anything else.

If McShame had his way we would probably commit hundreds of thousands of people and trillions in the region and that would be per year for 100 years. Fortunately he is not Commander in Chief. I do hope the one who is Commander in Chief is well advised to send the right troops to do the right things for the right amount of money. I think he is, but we shall see.
Jackson, Seattle
yes yes!!! you have said the plain truth!!
bush screwed up by going to iraq to settle the score for his daddy!!
the war in afghanstain would be over by now if bush had  not dropped the dam ball!!!!
At least Johnny finally admits the Anbar Awakening played a huge role, not the surge alone. His denial of the Anbar Awakening and "I know more about war than anybody" attitude helped him lose the election.
Man, you should be president. Anyone but the Chosen One. Obama is going to spend this country into oblivion.

Still waiting on word from the New American Tea Party. The Taliban is real and Obama is treating this like it's some kind of board game.
This idiot lost in a landslide; who the heck cares what HE has to say.

Go away, John, and MSNBC - quit giving this guy any publicity!!
I appreciate Sen. McCain's candor on the issue.  He certainly deserves respect and has earned it.

I think Pres. Barack Obama needs to bring our country together and explain openly and directly what our goals are in Afghanistan.  He has opened up discussions so well with regards to the economy.  It is politically difficult to give up on wars, but I want to know what we are fighting for and how it will be achieved--we haven't had that for the past 7-8 years.  We are so wrapped up in the economy, I hope he takes next week to focus on foreign policy.  That's "change we can believe in."
What are all these comments about?  McCain is making serious comments on a serious subject and they aren't really at odds with what Obama or Petraeus or others are saying. *They* have also said that it's going to be different - and much harder -- than Iraq.  (And isn't that partly the reason Bush deflected troops and attention to that other region.)  If John McCain wants to become a statesman again and talk sense on serious problems, I say 'welcome back.' I'll never forgive him his VP choice, but he can be a good Senator and I hope he does so again.
Hey Firstread, we would really like seeing ALL the comment posted.
Obama is depending on the Afghanies bowing to his every whim. Kind of like what Pelosi and Reid are doing.
DRather (Sent Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:29 PM)

Go away nay sayer!!
DRather

The GOP bowed to Bush for eight years and look where it got us.
John Who???

Oh that guy who lost the election???

The Plane crasher??? The Bomber????
Please remember that if Senator Obama (back a year) had had his way we would've left Iraq in defeat and with terrorists in control.  He opposed the surge and said it would never work.  But it did....  Something he's only reluctantly admitted.  Hopefully he's learned from that lesson of just saying what his radical anti-war followers want to hear and does what's right for the USA and its protection.
Though we can hope for it to be uneventful, we do need to keep a presence in Iraq.  It's no different than Germany, Japan, and South Korea.  We stayed in Germany and Japan to make sure that a country we were at war with did not resume hostiles, and also to guard against a possibly hostile neighbor.  In Germany it was Eastern Europe and the USSR that concerned us, and in Japan it was communist China.  We've stayed in South Korea to protect our ally from North Korea.  Our allies in Iraq are threatened from within and without by terrorist groups and the military in neighboring Iran.   When we maintain a military presence in a foreign country it has a dual benefit, it allows us to position our military strategically in the different regions of the world, and it provides protection for our allies.
OHHHH, SO NOW YOU WANT TO GIVE A DIRE REPORT ABOUT AFGHANISTAN? MAYBE IF YOU HYPOCRITICAL, BIGOTED, SEXIST RNC/ NEO-CON MAGGOTS HAD NOT GONE TO IRAQ IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND DEALT WITH AL-QEADA THERE TO BEGIN WITH, THEN MAYBE WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE BIG PROBLEM THAT THEY HAVE BECOME NOW!!!!!!




Hey, John: I wish you would have held your ground a little better when you were beating the hell out of BHO.

It's okay. San Fran isn't as fond of Pelosi as some think. It's the government there that sucks.
That old man should leave Russia alone. Besides, he's always stirring up bellicose ideas. What has he won besides his seats in Congress?

He should try and live out the rest of life without having a stroke.
Peace
Nardi - back on the Obama pills I see.

Why won't John Boy just go away?
It's Bush's fault.
Written comments posted please.
It's time for a serious, non-simplistic, discussion about what constitutes "victory" in Afghanistan. Historically, this country is the world's biggest superpower quagmire trap. i.e. Alexander the Great, Brits, Russians. It is a loose collection of tribes, warlords, and harsh high-altitude mountain terrain-hardly a candidate for Jeffersonian democracy. A modest proposal- our enemy is Al Qaeda. The Taliban, as horrific as they are,  did not attack us on 9/11. We should eliminate or capture as many Al Qaeda operatives as possible, eradicate as many poppy fields as possible, and withdraw, leaving an operable air base and special forces troops to "suppress" future international terrorist activity.
Bush talked about increasing troops to Afghanistan a LONG time ago, but everyone just kept repeating what a warmonger he was.  Then.....along comes Obama and claims it as his idea and all of a sudden it's the right thing to do.

All hail Obama.  The Great One can do no wrong.
It simply amazes me to see new threads when old ones are left with so many comments never posted.
This sounds like a version of: "The beatings will continue until morale improves."  When will America realize that it would be easier to populate Mars than to change the Muslims feelings toward us Western money-hungry infidels. They're not stupid, they know we're staying in the region for the oil once this "war" is over. They are seeing how our Godless CEOs and corrupt leaders have all but destroyed America for money and power. They don't have to destroy our way of life anymore, we're doing it ourselves if we don't force our elected selfish "leaders" do what the people want.
We should stabilize Iraq and get the Hell our of Afganistan! No more blood or tresure for this place called afganistan! The russians even lost there! If Obama was smart he would take 2 years to drawdown the troops in Iraq and remove our eqiupment and make sure that country is stabile then not even bother with this quagmire called afganistan!
Great job Pam.  The list could go on forever but you got the message across.
good list Pam.
My biggest complaint about the damage Bush has done is the destruction of our very system of government. He politicized the justice department. He undermined the regulatory agencies. He made the courts disfunctional with willfully ignorant ideologues. He "shred" the constitution. He eliminated the separation of powers and set himself up as an elected dictatorship.
Didn't McCain say during the campaign that he knew how to get Bin Laden?
Will this clueless old fool ever shut up? Get a clue you old gasbag....you lost the election for good reason, now get over it! No one is listening!
Does McCain really think he is telling the American citizens something new?  We already knew that we would be in a terrible position with Iraq and Afghanistan-There is nothing easy about participating in these two wars.  He acts like know one knows the truth of the consequences.  Love that Bush doctrine!

We already have had terrible consequences-
here are some startling stats:
current-4865 soldiers have died
Suicides-181-average of 22.5 per year-(too many)
out of those who died:  30% rate at deployment
35% after coming home

In 2002-9.8 per 100,000 soldiers died
In 2008 20.2 per 100,000 solders-died
It has doubled!

SO MCCAIN WE KNOW!
Um, why is he still talking?
Yeah, send Sessions on a fact finding mission in Afghanistan, but don't give him any of the equipment he may need while he's there, flack jacket, armoured vehicles, etc.  Hey, if our service men and women have to make do without, so should he!!
Hey McCain, you are a fool.  You lost.  I will take my briefings on the dangers in the world from my President or his staff.  Not you.  Now sit down and stfu
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By your logic Clara, the only person required in Washington is Obama.  Should we disband the Congress?
"We have lost the [Iraq] war." - Sen Harry Reid (D-NV)
Dan Myers, CA (Sent Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:23 PM)

Yes, we have; we did!! Now let's bring our soldiers home!!
McCain lost all relevance and credibility during the presidential campaign.  His judgement on Afghanistan and any other issue means nothing to me.  He's morphed from the maverick to just a doddering bitter old man. Let those truly informed and living in the current day make the calls.
Go away, John....your time is up.  Time to retire with Barbie to Bar-B-Q.  Your smirks last night during the speech were totally Bushonian and you one again, lost your grace and credibility with the American people.
Opinions, ideas, everyone has them.  This all reminds me of the Super Bowl.  All the arm chair quarterbacks and blow hards who couldn't run the 100 yards consistently for the length of the game.  So it is now.  Many want to talk tough and knowledgable who have never fought in a real war like this one and are willing to trust a President who has not been in the military, nor been taught in a war college, nor been in the military nor stood on the firing line for this country.  One who is more concerned about removing the U.S.flag from his plane he used for his election run than to uphold what this country is founded on. He spent $400,000. for that. He, Who would like to change the national anthem to "I'd like to teach the world to sing..." and change the US flag so it is not so offensive.  Well many, including myself fought for this country and people spilled blood and gave their lives for what that flag stands for and it is something which many in the world can not stand...FREEDOM!!!!! And this Freedom is sweeter to all those who stood on the line, dodged the bullets,  hopefully,  & who
bled for this country so people can have the freedom to blow off and criticize those who have paid the price to help lead this nation in a time of crisis.  Wait not 12 months to see how it goes, I'll give it five years and many who are blowing off now will be crying in their beer about where we, the American people have allowed the Nation to slip to.  You see Big Brother is not the one to hold our hand and give us our food and meet our needs, we need to be responsible for ourselves and the way we live and have lived that has gotten us into a financial jam.

This Nation needs to fall on their knees and repent for her arrogance, pride and Godlessness.
Where was this moron when Bush was here? John forgets easy! I can not believe the republicans!
JOHN MCCAIN,PLEASE GO SOMEWHERE AND SIT DOWN,NO ONE NEED YOUR COMMENTS,YOU ARE THE BIGGEST JOKER OF THE YEAR,THE BOTTOM LINE YOU LOST.MAY I PLEASE REMIND YOU HERE ARE THE NUMBERS.MCCAIN 173 OBAMA 365.IS THIS CLEAR NOW CATCH UP WITH YOUR GANG,THE DIRTY PEOPLE.
YOUR SERVICES ARE NO LONGER NEEDED.DO YOU HEAR ME.

So John thinks Iraq was transformed in less than a year - than what have we been doing fighting a war now for all these years?  Also, had Afghanistan been the real focus of our war on terror, maybe we would already be out of the area and no further "war" would be needed.  It is real easy to tell others what to do or what should have been done - John McCain also boasted that he knew where Osama bin Laden was, too.  Maybe he'd like to share that with the President and country.  We are all waiting.


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