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Is health care a 'privilege' for some?

Posted: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:37 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC's Domenico Montanaro
The president may be holding a health-care summit today at the White House, in an effort to cull ideas for health-care reform, but some Republicans are making it clear they aren’t going to stand for it.

Zach Wamp, the always self-assured Tennessee congressman, was on MSNBC this morning, railing against any health-care reform effort, calling it a move toward “socialism” and that Obama was engaging in almost “class warfare.”

Video: Rep. Zach Wamp discusses President Obama's health-care summit with MSNBC's Tameron Hall.  

Wamp went so far as to say, "Health care is a privilege," before clarifying that he meant, “It's not necessarily a right” for those who choose not to pay for health care. He asserted that of the 47 million uninsured, half opt out of their employer’s provided health care.

“It's probably the next major step towards socialism,” Wamp began. “I hate to sound so harsh, but.... this literally is a fast march towards socialism, where the government is bigger than the private sector in our country and health care's the next major step, so we oughta all be worried about it." 
 
He compared Obama’s reform effort to what "Mrs. Clinton" tried to do "a number of years ago." (That’s despite the White House’s efforts to appear very different in its approach by inviting a multitude of voices, including Republicans and insurers, to the table at today’s health-care summit.)

Wamp added a thinly veiled "redistribution of wealth" argument, saying that the president wants to take money from those who already have health care to pay for those that don't have it.

"Listen, the 45 million people that don't have health insurance -- about half of them choose not to have health insurance...," Wamp said before issuing these warnings: "If you're on Medicare, beware. If you're a small businessperson, he [Obama] proposes to take away your deductions for charitable contributions, for your mortgage deduction on your home, in order to pay for health care. So, if you're one of those people who choose not to have health insurance, maybe you will have health insurance. But if you're one of those people that currently have health care, maybe they're going to take a benefit from you to pay for getting it to the other people. So, this is almost class warfare, in order for him to be able to say, 'Everyone now has health care.’”

Then he added, "Listen, health care is a privilege" (about 3:09 into the video.)

MSNBC Anchor Tamron Hall interjected. "It's a privilege? Health care? If you have cancer right now, do you see it as a privilege to get some treatment?" she asked.

"I was just about to finish to say, that for some people it's a right,” Wamp said, “but for everyone, frankly, it's not necessarily a right. Some people choose not to pay."

Asked who is not entitled to health care, Wamp responded, "An employee who rejects the health care provided by their employer ’cause they don't want any of the money deducted from" their pay check. He again insisted, "Half the people today choose to remain uninsured. Half of them don't have any choice, but half of them choose to, what's called, 'Go naked.' And just take a risk of getting sick. They end up in the emergency room, costing you and me a whole lot more money. How many illegal immigrants are in this country today, getting our health care? Gobs of 'em."

But isn't the emergency room point exactly one of the arguments FOR reforming health care?

Wamp said the GOP is for "extending health care to the people that need it, not turning the whole health-care system over to the government.” And he added that any solution should be "through the tax code; you give incentives for people to have health insurance."

But Obama is not proposing a single-payer system that would turn "health care over to the government," as the congressman suggested.

Later on MSNBC, former Senior Health Care Adviser to Bill Clinton Chris Jennings said Wamp’s comments are just “their talking points every time the debate over health care comes up.”

He added that Obama is not suggesting getting rid of employer-based health care, and it’s a fallacy to suggest otherwise.

“I don't see how anyone can read that as anywhere close to socialism,” Jennings said. “Most people outside the very far right wing of the Republican party agree with that. … There's an attempt to throw fear-mongering into this debate, because” Republicans don't have any “policy ideas.”

The White House also took exception.

“If you go around the country, you won’t hear many people saying, ‘I don’t want health care,’” a White House source said, adding that the point of today’s summit, in fact, is to bring together people with varying views on the issue. “Now is the time to reform health care,” the source said, “No one says, ‘We agree with everything.’ …We welcome voices from all sides of the spectrum.”

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And Obama is supposed to be the Fear Monger In Chief - what is WRONG with these people?  People may choose to not buy into their employer's insurance plan because the premiums mean they can't pay rent/mortgage, utilies and food. Obviously this guy has had insurance the majority of his bloody life!  HE ought to try to 'go naked' for just twelve months and find out what the REAL world is like without insurance.  WHAT a buffoon. I'm glad Tamra came back at him - she is quite an interviewer!  Is 'socialism' the new buzz word? next to 'French Socialism' - these guys need to get a new play book. Oh. Yeah. their view of the real world is at the end of a kaleidoscope.
Is he BRAIN DAMAGED?!  The country is strongly in favor of universal health care.  It's pathetic that in the greatest country on the planet, people die or go broke because they don't have adequate health insurance.  What a loon!

For the record, there's a pretty simple way to distinguish socialism from capitalism from communism.  Here's how it goes.

In a capitalist society, your cow is your cow.  In a socialist society, your cow is everyone's cow.  In a communist society, your cow is the government's cow.  Unless President Obama says that we're doing away with private ownership of assets altogether, this is NOT socialism.  I wish these GOP clowns would read a book before opening their mouths and spouting off labels.
Let's see...."socialism"..."class warfare"..."so we oughta all be worried about it"..."health care is a privilege"...

I am so tired of the GOP rhetoric.  It is all scare tactics with no viable solutions.  Do the GOPers not realize that their oppostion to most progressive ideas is class warfare.
Did this clown Wamp get his trianing from that other bozo from Minnesota who claimed their were traitors in Congress?  What a moron.  No wonder the GOP is lower than a snakes belly in a wagon rut.
I think the Senator meant to say what he first said. Health Care is a privilege. How nice. Would someone tell him that we are one of the only countries that does NOT have universal health care!

Class warfare? I guess telling those that cannot afford health care - too bad. So if someone making minimum wage has cancer, and can't afford treatments, is the Senator willing to let the person die?

And he comes from the Party that is pro-life.

And it's time to stop with the socialism stuff. Look up the meaning.

Every country will move forward into the 21st century, but we won't if we listen to the idiots who spout opinions, not facts.
Seriously, the answer to everything is tax cuts???

When the republicans consider their position in today's America, and they wonder why they are a party in decline, they need look no further than their only solution to any problem . . . tax cuts!

I'm curious about Wamp's statistic that "half the people today choose to remain uninsured."

Is that half the total population? Half the population of uninsured? Where does he get that number?

Obviously the only solution is to offer tax incentives. Because to do anything else would be socialism.

Perhaps the republican party can replace "country first" with "cut taxes or your a socialist!"
'...Zach Wamp, the always self-assured Tennessee congressman, was on MSNBC this morning, railing against any health-care reform effort, calling it a move toward “socialism” and that Obama was engaging in almost “class warfare.”



Video: Rep. Zach Wamp discusses President Obama's health-care summit with MSNBC's Tameron Hall.  

Wamp went so far as to say, "Health care is a privilege,"...'


Freudian slip ?
Or not slip at all ?

This is what they really believe

Let them eat cake


PS
Some lame brain is impersonating me again, taking shots at Ted Kennedy

Ted Kennedy is the Liberal Lion of the Senate

Are you ashamed of your own comments ?
Afraid to take responsibility for them ?
(Moon Dawg)
"...for some people it's a right,” Wamp said, “but for everyone, frankly, it's not necessarily a right..."  
That is one of the most incoherent things I've heard in a long time, and it would be laughable it there weren't peoples' lives at stake here.
Once again, proof the republicans have lost touch with reality and humanity.It is not the fact that most American opt out of health care, it is because millions cannot afford it.
I would like to see proof of his statistics that state half of the 47 million that are offered health care do not take it. Methinks it is another distortion offered, among many, by the republican party.
"...for some people it's a right,” Wamp said, “but for everyone, frankly, it's not necessarily a right..."  
That is one of the most incoherent things I've heard in a long time, and it would be laughable it there weren't peoples' lives at stake here.
Mr. Wamp is a bit katty wampus on his thinking. I hope he is aware that someone who makes 30K a year can hardly affore $1000 a month for insurance premiums plus the copay etc.etc.etc. It is good that he gets free medical insurance paid by tax payers but we aren't all that fortunate.
So, how's the education system in Tennessee? If the congressman really believes what he's mouthing, the schools he attended must be in the Zwamp.

On the other hand, maybe the guy's just a cynical sociopath who thinks he can keep himself on the government payroll, and the lobbyists' gravy train, by spewing wingnutese.

When I was growing up, the right wing was calling the Tennessee Vally Authority "socialism." Do you suppose that Wamp's constituents who benefit from TVA would prefer that it be sold to Halliburton?
wow.  We need to get idiots like this out of Washington.  They don't know the facts and don't want to learn them if they interfere with their ideology. Yup...time for Wamp to go and both sides to understand what bipartisan really means.
How heartless can the Republicans get? I know of people who are working full time, or as many hours as their employers will give them, who earn barely enough to get their families through the month, and who would work longer hours if allowed to, who don' have health insurance BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT!! In one case, the employer, Radio Shack, offered a so-called health care plan with a huge co-pay but with such a substantial deduction that the worker could not afford it. Now comes this idiot from Limbaugh-land who says they CHOSE not to have insurance!? What planet does he live on... and would he please return to it??
Zach Wamp: Join the ranks of all the other Republican Rightwing-nuts who are obstructionists. Rush is so proud of you. This nonsense about socialism.  Didn't someone tell you about medicare, medicaid, public schools, post offices, (now banks, and probably the auto industry) You are just as dumb as Pat Buchanan, Scarbrough,  Limbaugh, McConnell, Canter and Boehner. You need to find some new friends. BTW Zack, Health Reform will pass both the House, the Senate and will be signed by President Obama. So...if American become ill, they will be covered.

BTW: As a Congressman, you have health care.  Is that a right or a privilege.  
I myself do not believe health care is a privilege.  That often works out to an equation that says that health, and even continuing to live,is a privilege.  The same people who are so worried about the lives of unborn children will let those children sicken and sometimes die for lack of medical care, because, afterall, it's a privilege of the wealthy. That's not socialism, that's compassion, something I'm afriad manyon the far right lack.  As far asbeing "classwarfare"...BRING IT ON!!
With the US federal government takeover and running of health care run as well as say, the public school system?
Myopia:  The disease of the GOP.

I suppose they like being near the bottom of health care rankings of industrialized nations.

Thank jeebus they are no longer anywhere close to power (except, of course, for their leader, El-Rushbo!)
Alright, how about we take away Zach Wamp's healthcare then? Does he consider his own healthcare a redistribution of his constituents wealth since they in effect pay his wages and benefits?

Also, I don't think the answer should be in the tax code. Haven't we concluded that the tax code is already far too complicated and full of loopholes? Wouldn't placing healthcare deductions in there just add to it?
You know what?  Health care is a privilege because only certain people (like Wamp) can afford it - certainly I think if you asked someone who can't afford health care whether they'd want it you'd find that they do.  What a tool.  No wonder the Republican numbers are in the toilet.
So Mr. Wamp wants to continue the system we have now. No suggestions from the party of NO, just complaints. The healthcare system we have now is too expensive for the average person. Costs need to be affordable. President Obama wants that. He is not advocating for free healthcare or a "Socialist" system. He nor any other prominant Democrat has. We cannot let our people die or suffer because they can't afford health care. People turn down the health care offered by their employer, if they have one in this economy, not because they don't want it but because they can't afford the huge deduction that will come out of their check. If Mr. Wamp would TALK TO REAL PEOPLE instead of spouting the party talking points he would not be saying the garbage he is.
So Mr. Wamp wants to continue the system we have now. No suggestions from the party of NO, just complaints. The healthcare system we have now is too expensive for the average person. Costs need to be affordable. President Obama wants that. He is not advocating for free healthcare or a "Socialist" system. He nor any other prominant Democrat has. We cannot let our people die or suffer because they can't afford health care. People turn down the health care offered by their employer, if they have one in this economy, not because they don't want it but because they can't afford the huge deduction that will come out of their check. If Mr. Wamp would TALK TO REAL PEOPLE instead of spouting the party talking points he would not be saying the garbage he is.
Socialism, Socialism, tax cuts, tax cuts.

do you people listen to what you're saying?

not one plan i've read or listened to from Obama has promoted a single payer system that the congressman (i use the term loosely) is suggesting.  another straw man argument from a republican.  surprise surprise. we can't counter his real policies, so we'll make up a policy and credit it as his plan, then we can attack attack attack this lie we created.

i just summed up american politics for the past 50 years.

many people are opting out of health care because it takes over half their pay.  (my wife brings home $500 every 2 weeks but grosses $900, $300 every 2 weeks for coverage for her and our 2 sons.  i get mine for $15 every 2 weeks from my employer, but it would be over $200 to cover my sons)

if the system is broke, shut up and fix it.  playing politics has never solved a problem in this country, compromise and meeting problems head on has.
Wamp went so far as to say, "Health care is a privilege," before clarifying that he meant, “It's not necessarily a right” for those who choose not to pay for health care.
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I see the Hit parade (obstructionist Republicans) is out. To stop draconian slashes in social programs is very un-democratic. Don’t confuse socialism with needs of Americans sprung from socialistic capitalism of Nixon, Reagan, and the Bushes.

Many people chose not to have health care because they can't afford the premiums, doctors, clinics, or co-pays. Your argument is so illogical. In fact, it is equivalent to a "privilege" being a pandemic of continental proportions.
JUST ANOTHER RED STATE RED NECK WHO DOSN;T GET IT.SO FOR THE UNDER-EDUCATED HERE IT IS.IF SOMEONE GOES TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEY DON'T HAVE INSURANCE THEY STILL GET TREATMENT,AND THE STATES HAVE TO PAY.I GUESS IN TENNESSEE THEY PUSH THEM OUT THE DOOR AND GIVE A REBEL YELL,YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN.WHEN PEOPLE DON'T HAVE INSURANCE THEY TEND TO NOT SEEK MEDICAL ATTENTION,SO THE PROBLEM  GETS LARGER AND SO DO THE EXPENSE.I WOULD THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD UNDERSTAND BUT THEN THERE IS TENNESSEE,WHERE SCUM PONDS OVERFLOW,WHERE POO FOLKS GET NOTHING.THIS IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY,THIS IS WHY THEY ARE WHERE THEY ARE.OUT OF TOUCH,OUT OF IDEAS,OUT TO LUNCH,AND RUSH THE POPPER IS THERE LEADER.RIP.
Zach Wamp is saying that health are only for the rich, and dammit I am going to make sure it stays that way.  Zach wants all poor and middle class people to die.
Another thought...isn't Congress's health care system, a system Wimp takes advantage of---paid for by taxpayers, many ofwhom can't afford their own---socialism at it's dasterdliest? Just wonderin'
Wamp is correct. Many of the so called "45 million" without insurance choose not to be covered. So the White House argrument "you won’t hear many people saying, ‘I don’t want health care,’”" is yet another lie.

Of the remaining 20 or so million that "don't have insurance", many are in transition between jobs and are only without insurance for a short time. That's what COBRA was designed to handle.

So in reality, there is less then 10 million in a  county of 350 million, less then 3% of the population, that are not covered by health insurance. And these numbers are before adding in the children covered by SCHIP, so people not covered is probably down under 2%. And for that we're going tear down our for profit health care system and let the federal government run it? Not a chance we let that happen.
Funny, I don't see him saying that he is against the taxpayer paid health care for HIM and his fellow politicians.  And when I went without healthcare, it wasn't by choice, it was because I was single wht no children making 20k a year and I was evidently living too large and made too much money for state health care.
Will the Obama kingdom put doctors on government payroll? With salary caps?                            
The US health care system is a DISGRACE. Greed, Abuse and corruption are involved here as well
WAKE UP PEOPLE.
When a family has to pay 12-14K a MONTH for health care the rarely use its a disgrace.

I have a friend who is a Doc and he says its disgraceful. The amount of waste and over charging that goes on i hospitals and with Docs is an outrage
Most people who chose not to pay for health care insurance do so because they cannot afford the premium. Wamp revealed what the right wing conservative think, that like a car health care is a privilege. The right wing conservatives have become an elitist group, and they hire people like Joe the plumber, so they can say they speak for the little people. I am surprised that Joe was not a real little person. The conservative right wing cannot see the forest for the trees as the saying goes. They do not see that coverage for all could cost less for all. We are already paying for the uninsured, underinsured and insured through cost of goods, services, taxes and health care premiums.  
I'm guessing we won;t see this as a big red-bold headline on Drudge today...

Just more damage control needed for thew GOP. A lot of that as of late.

http://www.political-buzz.com/
If you go around the country, you won’t hear many people saying, ‘I don’t want health care,’” a White House source said,


People choose not have insurance on all sorts of things. I would expect those people would be called pro-choice. Now maybe the White House is saying they know of nobody that would turn down "Free" coverage. Well, any person with a brain knows that nothing in life is free, so they know some money is coming out of their pocket to pay for it.

I guess people like Obama that want to "give" mandatory "free" things away are anti-choice then?
Gosh darn it Zach, if government is so evil, how could you stand to be part of it for all these years?  And why do you do everything with the big prize for you being governor of Tennessee?
Probably because you are a silly,silly rich man who cares little about anyone else. How do I know?  I live in Tennessee and I watch this guy very closely and so far he gets a no vote from me.  He may play well in the wealthy areas and in the upper east Tennessee counties (which is crazy since most of them don't have jobs or health insurance), but his nonsense just won't fly well in the rest of this state.
Wamp went so far as to say, "Health care is a privilege," before clarifying that he meant, “It's not necessarily a right” for those who choose not to pay for health care.
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Well if we were all immune to disease and accidents then we could choose to not pay for healthcare...but people don't have that choice, just like they don't have a choice when they need the police to help, or the fire department to come put out a fire. Or rescue workers to come to aid after a storm or natural disaster.

You pay for those services?  You may never utilize them in your lifetime but they affect your safety and health don't they?  

And if you are so against socialism, then start by denying the benefits you get as a congressman, because you guys are getting everything from govt....
including free healthcare, social security, and a generous pension you don't have to pay into.

Hypocrite
What does this guy not understand about "Too expensive for some people?"  I work at a major university and there are people who can't afford the insurance because their pay is too low!
This house of cards is FALLING APART

"there is no smoking gun to show that Coleman was robbed."

Norm Coleman,  Give up the Funk !!


From HuffPost:

'...Minnesota Paper That Endorsed Coleman Scoffs At Re-Do Election


A Minnesota newspaper that endorsed Norm Coleman for Senate is calling on state officials to ignore the former Senator's call to overturn the election results on the basis of objectionable tallies.

New Ulm Journal editorialized on Thursday that, absent "proof of voter fraud or systemic unfairness," the court system in Minnesota "should ignore the call to overturn the election."

In penning the piece, the paper -- which supported the former Senator during the campaign -- became one of a series of news outlets to weigh in critically on Coleman's late-in-the-recount plea. WCCO's Esme Murphy declared that "there is no smoking gun to show that Coleman was robbed." Lori Sturdevant of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, wrote that Coleman's "suggestion that 'the court is going to have to reflect'" on an election do-over, is just another of his "many legally fanciful ideas." And the Minneapolis City Pages ran the headline: "Coleman suggests an election redo, state cringes." ...'


You LOST !!

HA ! HA !

Poor little Norm !!
It's kind of a "we're tired of you and we're not gonna take it anymore" kind of thing.

BHO has to go
BHO has to go
BHO has to go
I say to Zack Wamp, that being stupid is not a right, but a privilege; and you seem very adept at exercising that right.
Republicans... little more than economic racists.
You know what? If Pres Obama's reform stops the private healthcare sector from making gobs of money hand over fist WITHOUT fulfilling their duty in administering funds to help people who need it, then I'm all for it. I could care less about some HMO executive not making millions of dollars at year with these inflated healthcare cost.

Bottom line, this is another attempt by the GOP fat cats to block anything that stops their HMO exec connections from paying them.

And for anyone who says anything vaguely about how I should move to Canada or Europe, trust me I truly would because those citizens live longer and healthier. I can't because the Bush Economy drove the price of the dollar down so far I can't afford to.
"Wamp went so far as to say, "Health care is a privilege," before clarifying that he meant, “It's not necessarily a right” for those who choose not to pay for health care."

Who pays for Wamps' medical coverage ... WE DO!  The Republican mindset is clear ... if you can't afford to pay for medical care (regardless of the cost) then SCREW you ... you have no right to live a longer life!

The new catch all buzz-word in the Republican lexicon is SOCIALISM!  If it ain't Republican it's socialist! I say, "If it's Republican, it's BULLSHIT!"

Republicans disgust me!
We see how the government runs things. You liberals that want the government to run something as large and diverse as Health Care, please tell us what the government runs well on something that large of scale. Just point to one or two things you like that the government does. Then, can we expect the government to run Health Care as well as it runs the things you point towards?
The scary thing is they truly represent a segment of the population, albeit a small segment.  It almost makes you want to say you're happy this brand is dying off.
I would suggest anyone who is willing to be open minded and rational about U.S. Health Care read the short articles below.


http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10011

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9904
Maybe Rush Limbaugh will invite Rep. Wamp to his radio talk show so he can spew more ignorance.  All these GOPers are vying for a leadership role but stick their foot in their mouth whenever a microphone is put in their face!
This party is so out of touch, it just simply amazes me.  Sir, with all due respect, you have health care for the rest of your life at our expense.  We, however, are going broke trying to hold on to our "jump through hoops" policies, and even at that we are afraid to use them for what they won't cover.  So sad.  When did we just flat stop caring about each other?  
Half the people opt out of employee based health care because they CAN'T afford it. Bring the cost of health care down and that helps the economy!
HEY HT WELLS!  I AM ONE OF THE 45 MILLION WITHOUT HEALTH INSURANCE.  I DO NOT CHOOSE THIS.  MY FINANCIAL SITUATION CHOOSES IT FOR ME.  IF I CHOSE COVERAGE, I'D HAVE NO MONEY FOR OTHER IMPORTANT THINGS LIKE RENT AND FOOD.  SO, GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE RIGHT WING'S BUTT AND START THINKING CLEARLY.  


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