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Tensions with China?

Posted: Monday, March 09, 2009 11:30 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC’s Jim Miklaszewski and Courtney Kube
A senior defense official confirms that five Chinese ships "aggressively maneuvered" and shadowed a U.S. Navy surveillance ship yesterday.

The Chinese vessels moved into "dangerous proximity" to the USNS Impeccable, "in an apparent coordinated effort to harass the U.S. ocean surveillance ship," which was operating on a routine mission in international waters, the senior defense official says.

A written statement from the U.S. Defense Department says the Chinese vessels surrounded the USNS Impeccable, and that two of them closed in to within 50 feet and began waving Chinese flags and telling the U.S. ship to leave the area.

Video: Chinese ships allegedly harassed a U.S. Navy ship in international waters.

Unaware of the Chinese ships' intentions, the USNS Impeccable sprayed its fire hoses at one of the vessels to defend itself. Chinese crewmembers "disrobed" to their underwear, and continued to move closer, coming within 25 feet of the USNS Impeccable, officials said.

The U.S. ship tried bridge-to-bridge communications to stop this madness, telling the Chinese that they would leave the area in a friendly (and presumably fully clothed) manner, officials added.

Two of the Chinese ships pulled right in front of the USNS Impeccable, causing it to make an emergency "all stop" so not to hit the Chinese boats, officials said, adding that the Chinese dropped several pieces of wood into the water directly in front of the Impeccable, which then made its way clear of the area.

The Chinese ships involved were a Chinese Navy intelligence collection ship, a Bureau of Maritime Fisheries Patrol Vessel, a State Oceanographic Administration patrol vessel, and two small Chinese-flagged trawlers, officials said.

"Coastal states do not have a right under international law to regulate foreign military activities in the EEZ,” Major Stewart Upton said in a written statement. “The unprofessional maneuvers by Chinese vessels violated the requirement under international law to operate with due regard for the rights and safety of other lawful users of the ocean.  We expect Chinese ships to act responsibly and refrain from provocative activities that could lead to miscalculation or a collision at sea, endangering vessels and the lives of U.S. and Chinese mariners."

The incident with the Chinese ships took place in the South China Sea, about 75 miles south of Hainan Island. The Pentagon says that this incident followed several days of "increasingly aggressive conduct by Chinese vessels."

Pentagon spokesperson Bryan Whitman also called the acts by these five Chinese ships "careless and reckless," adding that the Chinese ships acted in an "unprofessional" way.

The increasingly aggressive conduct included:
-- March 7: A PRC intelligence collection ship made a bridge to bridge call to the USNS Impeccable, calling their operations illegal and telling them to leave the area or "suffer the consequences"

-- March 5: a Chinese frigate approached the USNS Impeccable, crossing its bow within about 100 yards; about 2 hours later, a Chinese Y-12 aircraft conducted 11 fly-bys at a low altitude (about 600 yards)

-- March 4: a Chinese Bureau of Fisheries Patrol vessel used a high intensity spotlight to harass an ocean surveillance ship, the USNS Victorious, shining it on the ship and at the crew (the ship was operating about 125 nautical miles off the coast of China); the ship then crossed the Victorious' bow in darkness without warning; finally, a Chinese Y-12 surveillance aircraft conducted 12 fly-bys at a low altitude (about 400 feet).

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The Chinese probably thought the U.S. Navy surveillance ship was part of our payment to them for them buying up our latest trillion dollars worth of debt.
Hillary needs another Reset Button! Be sure to spell 'Reset" right this time too Hillary. Don't want to start a war with the Chinese over your stupid little jokes.
Pentagon spokesperson Bryan Whitman also called the acts by these five Chinese ships "careless and reckless," adding that the Chinese ships acted in an "unprofessional" way.

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I think the Pentagon official was talking about Obama.
They're probably pissed off about that 400 billion dollars worth of Fannie Mae paper they're holding and being called racist for questioning it's value.
The Chinese will be sailing up the Chesapeake soon enough. They paid for it. They own it.
"Reset - Reset - Reset - Reset - Reset - Reset!"

This is Obama attempting to go back to square one. Sorry Barack, you're going to have to fess up to all the damage you've caused.
Nice the see the results of Hillary's visit to China. Good job Hillary. I guess we should be happy the Chinese didn't send the U.S. Navy surveillance ship to the bottom?
Remember the USS Pueblo!!!
Hmmmmm, seems like China is flexing their muscles . . . yet another consequence of our foreign policy and financial debacles over the past 8 years . . . kind of sad to see 200 years of strenghth and goodwill thrown away in the pursuit of unrealistic goals and lies.

The depths of our decay are truly astounding.

Tax cuts and tough talk is just not gonna fix it folks. Sorry.
Now that count prokula is SOS this will all be worked out!  She alreay told them our view of human rights is for sale, maybe she will sell our navy vessels too?  After all she has a known "F--- em" attitude regarding the families of service men.  After all what have service men ever done for the clintons?  She even had to imagine up her own emergency landings.
Previous post: "Rather then having these phony "seminars" on energy, health care, and the environment, Obama needs to focus on one thing, and one thing only, the economy."

Larry Malone, NY (Sent Monday, March 09, 2009 11:01 AM)

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Larry, are you a distant relative of McCain's?  Your thinking is eerily similar to his during the campaign. It was McCain's inability to "multi-task" that made him seem like a weaker candidate than Obama (besides his poor VP choice).  Obama CANNOT put everything else on the back-burner while he focuses on the "economy".  Too many things have contributed to our current recession--the housing crisis, job losses,energy costs, the black hole of health care expenditures...what would you have Obama do? Sit on his hands and watch all of these problems grow worse? Even as they have negative effects on the state of the economy?

Even one of my staunchly conservative friends admitted that if McCain had won, he would be doing nothing right now but trying to preserve the status quo.  He certainly wouldn't be working as hard as Obama to tackle the difficult problems we face. Bush just "let things go" while he pursued a needless, tragic, and expensive war in Iraq. I can only imagine how much worse the economy would be tanking under a Bush-like McCain administration!!!
When G.W. Bush was first inaugurated, the Chinese captured one of our military planes and held it and the crew for days-they were testing the mettle of the new president.  Plane and crew were returned safely and the Chinese government didn't undertake any more 'tests', so I suppose they learned that this president dealt firmly with aggression.

I wonder what message The Big O will send?
When the Chinese came to within 25 feet of the Impeccable, in their underwear, the U.S. commanders should have photographed those Chinese men in their undies and posted the pics all over the world.
Tax cuts and tough talk is just not gonna fix it folks. Sorry.
Nashville_fan


Didn't ever see the Chinese strong arm Bush. I guess they didn't want to see the pointy end of a missile.

Remember what Biden said, that Obama would be "tested" early? We'll there you go! Obama will probably try to make up with the Chinese by sending them some DVDs, just like he did with Gordon Brown last week.
I wonder what message The Big O will send?
no joe, no bo, nj

Cookies! Hillary's home made cookies!
And I'm sure all the chicken hawk at GOP headquarters want the president to nuke them.Then we wouldn't have to pay off all the money LIL George has borrowed so he could have his War.See the repuks love war,as long as someone else is doing the fighting,and someone else's kids are paying with there lives.
Larry Malone, NY (Sent Monday, March 09, 2009 11:01 AM)

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Larry, are you a distant relative of McCain's?  Your thinking is eerily similar to his during the campaign.


Why are you talking about McCain? I mean, it's a free country and all, but other then you, who has brought up McCain?

You're missing the point. Obama is spraying his ideas out like water from a firemans hose. He's like a college professor slapping things up on the blackboard hoping something sinks in with his administration, the markets, and the people. It's too much information though for anyone to understand what they are supposed to DO! Obama's administration is freezing up because Obama is going one direction one day, and off on another the next. He is not focused. Everything he does is pie in the sky thinking and are all just half baked ideas. When it comes to implementing his agenda, his administration has not clue. There are no details to any plans. Obama's ideas all sound good at the 50000 foot level, but the devil is in the details. And as of yet, Obama has none because he's too busy with too many ideas.
It's a kind reminder to President Obama from Pentagon and military complex.
Folks, it's an article about Chinese harrassment of US ships in the South China Sea. Any excuse to bash Barack Obama, I guess.
This is a typical patern for asian nations with a new US Administration.  China wants to see how this administration will deal with it if they "probe" us in a millitary way.  Funny though, because HRC was just there on her first trip as Sec. of State.

N.Korea threatens to wipe out South Korea if we do a joint millitary exercise (that is done yearly, and has been since the Korean war ended pretty much.), once again, testing this administration....probing it.
Hillary's first test as secretary of state. How many toes will she step on in the White House?

http://www.political-buzz.com/
Well, i hope they realize fight ghost hiding in a city behind RSB, women and children vs. fighting an enemy who fight in the open is two different types of war. We have the technology in war they other nations don't have YET!!! simply put they don't have what it takes to go blow for blow.  I am againist war but we have to make an example to put certain nations back in check.  sometime you have to flex your muscle, if we don't make an example soon we will have someone who will try their hand.
Hmmmmm, seems like China is flexing their muscles . . . yet another consequence of our foreign policy and financial debacles over the past 8 years . . . kind of sad to see 200 years of strenghth and goodwill thrown away in the pursuit of unrealistic goals and lies.

The depths of our decay are truly astounding.

Tax cuts and tough talk is just not gonna fix it folks. Sorry.

Nashville_fan (Sent Monday, March 09, 2009 11:52 AM)
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Your about as ignorant as your comments in here. The reason they are flexing is because of the "soft" nature that a Democrat being POTUS brings. They are going to try Obama. This is something that never would have happened with GWB. Like him or not, China never flexed on him. You just cant get past your blind hatred of Republicans. This is the kind of she-i-t that will keep other countries trying us. You cannot be soft with the rest of the world. The world hated the U.S. before GWB and they hate us still. All they worrry about is how much $$$ they can receive. If you dont know this, you really are naive and ignorant.

P.S. I served for 22 yrs in the elite SF. I think I know the world pretty well. I have traveled further than my PC desk.
Perhaps we should take our businesses back from China, refuse to pay back the loans for Bush's war and isolate ourselves from them. If they dare even breathe in our direction we blow them up. That'll do er.
I like Monkberry Moon's idea. Watch them save face after that.
Nashville_Fan:

Was it the 8 years prior to 2001 that provoked the Chinese downing and holding of a U.S. military aircraft early in George Bush's administration?

Do you think President Obama should simply accept these Chinese actions as China's justified and natural response to the last 8 years?  After all, we would appear to deserve it.

Why weren't actions like this by China occurring throughout the Bush administration?  Why would China provoke Barack Obama, who consistently praised China during his campaign, particularly their infrastructure and the Olympics?

Yes, it's a test.  As surely as the incident during the Bush adminstration, as surely as Kim Jong-Il's regular and routine extortion attempts.  It's what they do.

It's up to Obama to pass his "test" now.
When G.W. Bush was first inaugurated, the Chinese captured one of our military planes and held it and the crew for days-they were testing the mettle of the new president.  Plane and crew were returned safely and the Chinese government didn't undertake any more 'tests', so I suppose they learned that this president dealt firmly with aggression.

I wonder what message The Big O will send?
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He'll ask them how they're feeling.   Then he'll give them 25 DVDs from Walmart the way he did with the British PM.
It has come to the point that I skip the first dozen or so posts as they are always off point and lame attempts to slam Obama.  

Just another careless power play by Chinese. All it takes is one US nuclear aircraft carrier to be sent in to the general region, then we will see how close china ships will come to our vessels with usa jets zooming by in between.
"...Hillary needs another Reset Button! Be sure to spell 'Reset" right this time too Hillary. Don't want to start a war with the Chinese over your stupid little jokes. ....."
Beth C., Kentucky (Sent Monday, March 09, 2009 11:36 AM)

Pentagon spokesperson Bryan Whitman also called the acts by these five Chinese ships "careless and reckless," adding that the Chinese ships acted in an "unprofessional" way.

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"...I think the Pentagon official was talking about Obama. ..."
HMI-MI (Sent Monday, March 09, 2009 11:37 AM)

"...They're probably pissed off about that 400 billion dollars worth of Fannie Mae paper they're holding and being called racist for questioning it's value. ..."
Bwaney Fwanks (Sent Monday, March 09, 2009 11:43 AM)

"..."Reset - Reset - Reset - Reset - Reset - Reset!"
This is Obama attempting to go back to square one. Sorry Barack, you're going to have to fess up to all the damage you've caused. ..."
L. Gates, CA (Sent Monday, March 09, 2009 11:47 AM)

"....Now that count prokula is SOS this will all be worked out!  She alreay told them our view of human rights is for sale, maybe she will sell our navy vessels too?  After all she has a known "F--- em" attitude regarding the families of service men.  After all what have service men ever done for the clintons?  She even had to imagine up her own emergency landings. ..."
Ted K, Hyannis, MA (Sent Monday, March 09, 2009 11:54 AM)

IT WOULD SEEM AS THOUGH YOU MORONS HAVE FORGOTTEN THE EVENTS OF THE PAST EIGHT YEARS.
ONE OF THEM SPECIFICALLY BEING THE U.S. NAVY SURVIELLANCE PLANE THAT WAS FORCED DOWN OVER CHINA A COUPLE OF MONTHS AFTER BUSH TOOK OFFICE.

THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT WAS NO MORE THE FAULT OF "W" THAN THIS ONE IS THE FAULT OF OBAMA OR ANYONE CONNECTED TO HIS CABINET.

THESE KINDS OF INCIDENTS HAPPEN MORE FREQUENTLY THAN YOU MIGHT IMAGINE. SOME OF THEM GET PUBLICITY, SOME OF THEM DON'T.

BUT PLEASE...DON'T USE THE MOMENT FOR "POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY." THESE ARE OUR FIGHTING MEN AND WOMAN. THEY SHOULDN'T BE USED AS PROPAGANDA BY ANYONE.

OBAMA HASN'T DONE ANY DAMAGE TO THIS COUNTRY...HE'S ONLY BEEN IN OFFICE FOR TWO MONTHS...AND HE WAS LEFT WITH A HELL OF A MESS BY YOUR BOY BUSH.

SO LET'S GET REAL HERE, AND STOP WITH THE CHILDISH MIMICKING OF WHAT YOU THINK RUSH LIMBAUGH WANTS YOU TO SAY.

THE G.O.P. IS DEAD, RUSH IS WRONG, AND SO ARE MOST OF YOU $#!+-FOR-BRAINS cantSERVATIVES.

HAVE A NICE DAY














When G.W. Bush was first inaugurated, the Chinese captured one of our military planes and held it and the crew for days-they were testing the mettle of the new president.  Plane and crew were returned safely and the Chinese government didn't undertake any more 'tests', so I suppose they learned that this president dealt firmly with aggression.

I wonder what message The Big O will send?
no joe, no bo, nj (Sent Monday, March 09, 2009 11:56 AM)

Yeah sure you betcha...bush scared the world so much that 911 really didn't happen on his watch...it was clintons fault you know
Those darn chinese better stop it or the so called capitalists on wall street will stop selling them their snake oil voodoo economic derivatives
The chinese begins to show its own true face...
we should a base there either in the phillipine or vietnam.
Cam Ranh Bay in vietnam ring any bell???

what ever happened to a good sense of humor, so they mooned you move on
The Chinese should be observed as well closely.  This is becoming unacceptable behavior.  I would hope that Robert Gates tells his counter part in China that he has a childish navy that keep its pants up.  Then Gates would show the pictures of the rears or the Chinese crew.  What would be even better if there was a sign that the crew was willing to perform sexual acts for money (or performing sexual acts on the deck); that could prove to be even more of an embarressment for the Chinese.  
Maybe the Chinese have a sense of humor and thought that the US Navy would get a laugh out of seeing them in their undies.  Maybe humor would be the best medicine for these troubling times.
It's a shame. US ships are over there to SPY on china. Who is more aggressive? Just wait until they come over to California coastline.
Seems like China is flexing their muscles . . . yet another consequence of our clueless president that the rest of the world views as a weak puppet of other clueless politicians.....
When G.W. Bush was first inaugurated, the Chinese captured one of our military planes and held it and the crew for days-they were testing the mettle of the new president.  Plane and crew were returned safely and the Chinese government didn't undertake any more 'tests', so I suppose they learned that this president dealt firmly with aggression.

I wonder what message The Big O will send?
no joe, no bo, nj (Sent Monday, March 09, 2009 11:56 AM)

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Well, Slappy, what message would you like him to send and how would you suggest he do it, since you know so much?
Nashville_fan

"yet another consequence of our foreign policy and financial debacles over the past 8 years"

You are truly pathetic - blaming bush for this!!!
This is a direct result of the Chinese realizing that Clinton and Obama have no guts.

The Obama administration has ONLY shown cowardness and weakness - this is the result.

Obama and Nashville fan are both spineless jellyfish that are only capable of blaming someone else.  

Obama (your king) is president and this is a direct result of HIS policy of non-confrontation at any price.

"Sorry Barack, you're going to have to fess up to all the damage you've caused. "


WHO caused?
Keith The chinese begins to show its own true face...
we should a base there either in the phillipine or vietnam.
Cam Ranh Bay in vietnam ring any bell???
In case you forgot, the Filipinos closed down our bases and invited us to go home (under a Republican) and we lost in Vietnam (under a Republican). No bases in either, sorry.
"You've seen us drive - now watch us maneuver a capital ship."


"Sense of humor?"  Obviously none of you have faced the possibility of a collision at sea on a large ship.
The real threat now is North Korea. I am sure President Obama is keeping his focus on this dangerous situation. It will be interesting to see how China continues to support North Korea. Now this will really start opening up some very difficult situations in this part of the world.
Obama's ideas all sound good at the 50000 foot level, but the devil is in the details. And as of yet, Obama has none because he's too busy with too many ideas.
Larry Malone, NY (Sent Monday, March 09, 2009 12:11 PM)
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My point is that we are in a much better situation than if the other guy had won the recent election.  McCain, like most of the Republicans, doesn't have new ideas...it's ironic because he had those ads calling Obama "Dr. NO" during the campaign.

You want some quick fix to the mess that Bush left behind, but it doesn't work that way. Obama's first few weeks were spent working on a stimulus bill to get the economy going as quickly as possible. It will still take time for the stimulus to take effect.  I just disagree with your fundamental stance that Obama shouldn't be getting the brightest and best minds together to figure out real solutions to the challenges we face.  

I know he's extremely intelligent, but do you really expect him to come up with all of the solutions himself?  Thank goodness Obama realizes that others have valuable contributions to make.
Bush did not show resolve during the bomber crisis, he capitulated.  Recall, a chinese fighter ran into out surveillance plane, a bomber-sized craft.  Yet we accepted and repeated the chinese claim that our plane rammed theirs on purpose.  Is that resolve?  Then we stood by and did nothing while they held our crew for 11 days.  Eleven, not "a couple."  Is that resolve.  That crew was probably pumped for information, the plane torn apart and reverse engineered, and we accept the blame?  Funny what you consider "firm" dealing.  And as for the rest of you:  my gawd, you really are blaming this nation's mess on Obama, already?  
lol

I love how personl people try to get with folks they don't know on a blog. Seriously.

Anywho . . .

To "Obama the weak" and Richard, Washington State:

I am not blaming George Bush for China's actions. I am saying that he left us in a precarious position with the Chinese - financially dependent and militarily weaker. That is a fact.

To "InTheMiddle, TX":

Your service in the military does not supercede my right to an opinion. If I am so "ignorant", why don't you just ignore me?

How much collective military wisdom did it take to decide to go to Iraq? Military experience is not the only valid experience.

Maybe if you open your mind as quickly as you open your mouth, you might actually learn something.

This just in - we cannot militariy defeat Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, and Pakistan, and Afghanistan alone. We tried that? Remember.

So you can call it soft or whatever else you want, but the simple fact is that the "hard" approach didn't work.


The Chinese were retaliating over Hillary.  She asked them "does my butt look fat in this pant suit?"  And they all disrobed and said "kiss this."
Chinese Repo-men? Calling in those debts. If they can't get it in cash worth the paper it's printed on they'll take capital ships instead
I blame bush, he destroyed everything he touches


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